Appreciate your words. Thanks.

I’ve seen a lot of “your’re an idiot” arguments from autosurf supporters.

Since August I’ve been waiting for an argument that didn’t deflect or change the subject in some way, and I’m still waiting.

Regards,

Patrick

Why on earth ???? are you being as rude as you are to “Patrick” who has written valuable information most people dont even know and is exposing the naked truth what ASD is/was all about ???? ASD was like a spider web that could only survive as long as the spider continually spun new webbings, SPEAK: Bowdoin conducting “money supply” rallies in different US cities where attendees where emotionally and mentally seduced by false criterion to plunk down their life savings, money from having mortgaged their homes, maxed out credit cards, the list goes on !

I am an ASD member myself and know what this is all about and I have 2 words for you: WAKE UP ! and DO NOT be as rude as you are to Patrick who is doing everyone a GREAT SERVICE by posting information most people do not and NEED TO KNOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHAME ON YOU !

Then I guess we should not feel too bad about it since ASD’s own attorney and star attorney expert witness didn’t seem to understand it either. Does this make them just “idiots,” or “narrow-minded idiots” too?

You’re entitled to your opinion that I’m a “narrow-minded idiot” and an “idiot” who doesn’t understand the business model.

Patrick

You are a narrow minded idiot that knew nothing about the success of ASD and it’s members.

If not for the US Gov interference (and idiots like you) that did not understand the concept or business model) ASD would have nearly 1 million members by now.

ASD will eventually settle their civil lawsuit with the US Gov and resume operations. There are no criminal charges filed against anyone connected to ASD.

The bottom line: ASD paid it’s membership commissions each and every time upon request until the government took their assets and forcing them to cease operations. They had a much better payment record than Walmart (notorious for not paying their vendors on time).

If Bowdoin had criminal intent he would have skipped the country 2 years ago with millions of dollars instead of openly keeping the funds in US banks. This is the reward he got for his honesty.

Why don’t idiots like you and government agents concentrate on real criminals such as Wall Street crook Bernard Madoff running a real investment Ponzi, and leave honest business professionals alone.

There are dishonest pay to click sites and a big difference between high quality advertising programs such as ASD and Ad View Global compared to these crooked boilerroom basement operations such as surfpal.

Your small time website will not sway the massess that understand the future trend of advertising.

Thanks for the kind words.

I read the link you sent along. Unless I’m mistaken, the professor was retained as an expert witness in a lawsuit, so that has to be taken into consideration when weighing his opinion.

Speaking in general, there is something unseemly about the way these organized MLM teams do their work. I’m all for supporting online commerce, but the ceaseless hype and the relentless dream-brokering only add to the difficulty of competing online. In general, people new to the Web have heard nightmare stories about endless scams, and they may paint with a wide brush. Their caution is well-advised.

There is a certain Stepford feel to some of it. I remember reading about people getting banned at Surfs Up! simply because they asked pertinent questions. Early on — perhaps it was at a different forum — there even was a call for a loyalty oath. I’ve seen people shunned and ridiculed simply for offering an opinion that strayed from the ASD company line.

Thanks again for the note, Marci.

Patrick

Thanks for the compliment. I sent you an email.

Regards,

Patrick

Your note is much appreciated. Thanks.

Patrick

Due diligence: Someone pointed out long ago that not being able to find ANYTHING about Andy Bowdoin on the web, except articles written no earlier than 2006, composed and planted by his flunkies and their flunkies, should have been a HUGE red flag. That’s SO true; other than some real estate transactions in Quincy, he’s no where to be found on the web. I go to a lot of meetings all year long, and I’ve been working for years, so I’m all over the WWW simply because the meeting minutes are posted on the web, but also for other things as well — nothing important but its not as if I suddenly sprang into being in 2006. But Andy? Nothing.

Andy worship? Here’s a link to an article, and a few excerpts, about Amway, written by a law professor at Notre Dame. He had this to say about the “culture” that permeates Amway; in fact it’s a required attitude to remain “in the circle.” http://www.amquix.info/blakey.html

**The Amway business has a “family” structure parallel to that found in organized crime. With respect to both organizations, the family orientation is twofold. First, every participant;in the business is considered a member of a “family,” led by a particular individual at the top of a chain of command. Second, the business stresses involvement by participant’s family members, such that wives and children are drawn into the business to perpetuate their family influence over time. Family dynasties result that may be passed from generation to generation.

** The Amway business stresses that once you are involved, you are a member of the Amway family, and your upline and downline are part of your family. You are to “EDIFY” or honor your upline, and “counsel” with them regularly.

** The Mafia uses “omerta” and violence for control. Amway has other methods, with similar effect. Distributors must always honor their upline. No negative talk or action is permissible. A distributor who steps out of line is punished. Punishment may start off with being vilified by uplines as a “loser,” as “negative,” or as “brain-dead” which are typical Amway appelations for anyone who does not believe in the Amway system and the riches that allegedly flow from it. More serious offenders may be dealt with by having portions of their business taken away – e.g. they can no longer appear at rallies, or downline distributors are “re-routed.” There are also reports of violence against those who attempt to take action against Amway.

Sorry, Patrick, I know this is too long but it just reeks of Andy worship and I couldn’t resit sharing it. There’s lots more.