EDITORIAL: Friedman Should Drop Arons’ Lawsuit

UPDATED 12:53 P.M. EDT (U.S.A.) By reading forum posts lately, we’ve been led to believe that Dallas is a city for movers and shakers and players — and that everybody else pretty much can go to hell. Irritate a Dallas mover and shaker and player and you might just find yourself in what movers and shakers and players describe as “Dallas Court.”

Movers and shakers and players pull strings in “Dallas Court” and the miserable wretches interfering with all the moving and shaking and playing get crushed like so many offending cockroaches.

At least that’s what we’ve read.

We’ve also observed that it’s important to reference important people if you’re a mover and shaker and player in Dallas — and perhaps even add an important-sounding detail or two or a descriptive word or two to really drive the point home.

If a nonmover and nonshaker and nonplayer suggests it might be a good idea for Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott to investigate the ASD Members Business Association (ASDMBA) Trust, a mover and shaker and player might be inclined to say he knows the attorney general’s private phone number, suggesting that a complaint will do no good because all good Texas Republicans march in lockstep.

This brand of insider’s culture also apparently applies to the sports world.

Why say “Dallas Cowboy executive,” for example, when apparently you can glean stature points by osmosis by saying “high profile Dallas Cowboy executive?”

High profile” is good if you’re a mover and shaker and player in search of descriptive words that add to your own luster. Associating your name with “high-profile” people apparently elevates the stature of Dallas movers and shakers and players.

At least that’s what we’ve observed.

Local Rule Only?

The “high profile” rule, however, may be a cultural phenomenon that applies only to Dallas movers and shakers and players. We tested it against a city — Pittsburgh — to see if we could get a presumptive boost in our stature by referring to Pittsburgh Steelers Chairman Dan Rooney as a “high profile Steelers executive.” Mr. Rooney, after all, has won six Super Bowls and is the ambassador-designate to Ireland.

We abandoned the test as soon as we imagined Mr. Rooney looking at us as though we might benefit from a counseling session or two for attaching “high profile” to his name to make ourselves look good.

Dan Rooney, who produced six Super Bowl champions, actually knows the President of the United States and soon will represent the United States in Ireland, still puts on his pants one leg at a time and walks to Mass. People love Dan Rooney, a commoner who made good. They call him “Mr. Rooney” out of respect — not for his six Super Bowls or because he has the President’s phone number — but because he doesn’t play the “high profile” game. If you’re a Pittsburgher, there’s no way to make yourself look good by hijacking Mr. Rooney’s stature. He doesn’t consider himself “high profile,” therefore stature points can’t rub off.

Along those lines, we’re not aware of any “Pittsburgh Court” or “Pennsylvania Court” that is used as a playground for movers and shakers and players to crush the miserable wretches who irritate the movers and shakers and players from time to time.

But “Dallas Court” — also known as “Texas Court” — certainly is no place you’d want to end up if you lack standing in the Movers and Shakers and Players Club. The cockroach fate awaits  nonmovers and nonshakers and nonplayers who don’t do what they’re told.

At least that’s what we’ve been told.

There is unwritten shorthand for the instructions given nonmovers and nonshakers and nonplayers by movers and shakers and players when confronted in “Dallas Court” for being a miserable wretch. It can be reduced to a single word: “jump!” The only acceptable response for the miserable wretches, the cockroaches — unwritten, of course — is  “How high?”

At least that’s what we’ve observed.

Player vs. Nonplayer

Dallas attorney Larry Friedman represents the ASDMBA Trust. Dallas-area resident Bob Guenther, a convicted felon currently awaiting a court appearance in Arizona for violating a court order not to nuisance an Arizona company, is the de facto head of ASDMBA.

Friedman and Guenther have a longtime attorney-client relationship. Some ASDMBA members aren’t happy about how Guenther has handled the accounting for ASDMBA. They say they don’t know how money they contributed to fund the Trust was spent and complain that Guenther has behaved in rude, obnoxious and threatening ways when his Trust stewardship is questioned.

At the same time, they question why Friedman has filed no litigation to help them protect their interests in the AdSurfDaily (ASD) forfeiture case. Guenther introduced Friedman to ASDMBA contributors last summer. Lately Bob Guenther’s name has been associated with claims that Dallas Court can cure what ails the troubled mover and shaker and player.

Enter Jack Arons, a Florida man on Social Security. Arons doesn’t belong to ASDMBA. But he is convinced ASD is crooked as a dog’s hind leg, and says there is no harm in ASDMBA members asking the state to investigate the Trust.

Friedman sued Arons last month for slander, libel and saying bad things about Friedman’s law firm, saying Arons is a felon and menace. A poster at the ASD-Biz forum using Bob Guenther’s account announced the lawsuit, choosing the headline, “Jack Arons Sued, Served and Shut Up, Finally . . .” Arons derisively was referred to as “Rookie.”

Arons instantly was hit with an avalanche of paperwork from Friedman. The poster purporting to be Guenther later said his forum account had been hacked. Posts announcing the lawsuit went missing, along with comments attributed to Guenther that forum members viewed as menacing. Some of the posts were about the brand of justice “Rookie” Arons could expect from “Dallas Court” or “Texas Court.”

In a March 13 editorial, we noted that Friedman “should have no expectation that he is dealing with a professional litigant who will react by the book.”

Arons lives in a manufactured home, draws Social Security, doesn’t have money to do battle with Friedman, doesn’t have an attorney and doesn’t ask “How high?” when Friedman says “Jump!”

Jack Arons is not a “How high?” sort of guy. Arons posts in Internet forums and tells people when Friedman says “Jump!” If Arons gets hit with a blitz of paperwork from Friedman and a demand to appear in Texas from Florida on short notice for the high honor of being deposed by the man who is suing him, he tells people about it. To Arons’ way of thinking, he is getting shafted by a lawyer and a system weighted against him.

And then Jack Arons sits at his computer and tries to figure out ways to subject Friedman to a paperwork blitz that maximizes Friedman’s inconvenience. He did so recently by sending a demand to Friedman that Friedman appear in Florida to be deposed. Friedman didn’t like that idea, so now he has gone to court in Texas to try to stop Arons from doing to him exactly what Friedman is doing to Arons.

Arons now is trying to get a loan for $1,500 to sue Friedman in federal court. To Arons’ way of thinking, this is fighting fire with fire. Friedman has a law degree; Arons does not. Friedman has professional staff; Arons does not. Friedman can marshal nukes; Arons has a pea shooter and no budget.

What Arons can do, in effect, is solicit input from nonprofesionals to go up against Friedman’s canon. The wounded party in this case is the Texas court system. Most people find the notion of “Dallas Court” repulsive.

Today we again urge Friedman to drop the lawsuit against Arons.

Jack Arons behaves in ways that are less than prudent — but so does Larry Friedman. Friedman should drop this lawsuit. He can show his love for the law by doing so. He can repudiate the notion that courts are playgrounds for well-connected people and that commoners get the shaft.

Larry Friedman should be trying to dismantle “Dallas Court” if such a place exists, not reinforcing the notion that it actually might exist.

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61 Responses to “EDITORIAL: Friedman Should Drop Arons’ Lawsuit”

  1. Patrick –

    Did you see the latest? Larry has issued a subpoena to Ning for personal info about some of us, me included.

    Roxy Lewis

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  2. Bravo, Patrick..so eloquently written!! Looks like we ALL are in a fight for our pursuit of Life, Liberty and our First Amendment Right to the Freedom of Speech..Larry Friedman is coming after EVERY ONE involved in the SIMPLE request for detailed disclosure of how $130,000 was spent of the ASDMBA members contribution for representation (oddly, pocket change for such a HIGH PROFILE DALLAS ATTORNEY) ..certainly you will be next on Larry Friedman’s “hitlist”. I doubt he likes what you write about him!!

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  3. Whilst some people may wish to place Jack Arons on a pedestal and portray him as some sort of a martyr for a good and honourable cause, it should not be forgotten that Arons doesn’t have a “dog in this fight” inasmuch as he did not contribute to the ASDMBA. He apparently took up the cudgel on behalf of the common man out of the goodness of his heart. The common man in this case is not so innocent as would first appear. They were all members of ASD, an obvious and blatent Ponzi fraud. Subsequently they contributed to Guenthers “fund” in an effort to place themselves at the front of the queue when it came to payouts.

    In short, Arons was/is trying to defend the indefensible for whatever reason I do not know. Unless, of course, Arons has much more at stake in this whole fiasco than has so far emerged?

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  4. Pistol: Arons was/is trying to defend the indefensible

    As you have obviously been keeping a close watch on what Jack has been posting, perhaps you can answer something I’ve been wondering for a while. Exactly what was it that Jack posted/wrote that so upset the scum sucking lawyer and his bottom-feeding law firm?

    As you say it was an obvious ponzi scheme, and yet Friedman said on one of the calls that he had reviewed the ASD business model, and he and his partner confirmed that ASD was not a ponzi scheme. It was an obvious ponzi scheme, but this lawyer and his law firm were so incompetent that they could not see it?

    If there are any members of the “trust” left who haven’t requested a refund, they should ask them selves this: How many papers has the lawyer filed on behalf of the “trust”, and how many have been filed against someone who has no hope of paying any “damages” that may be claimed? Is the lawyer spending the time & effort on behalf of the trust that they should be?

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  5. Larry Friedman has his britches in a bunch because over a thousand people like my wife sent him their hard earned money for legal representation when he and Bob Gunther got heavily promoted conference calls telling them ASD was a Legal Business and not a Ponzi, and that the Government had taken their money and there was a way to get it back only if they had PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION. Larry Friedman held himself to be the Attorney who after he got a retainer of $100,000, would be filing an appearance in the Washington DC Court…..they were even specific about the case number in the ASDMBA Trust Agreement.

    After a couple of months of weekly phone calls and solicitations by Friedman and Gunther they reportedly has raised about $130,000 in contributions. Nothing was filed in the Washington DC Court. In late January Gunther gave a financial report saying that all the money had been spent. Larry Friedman was paid over $70,000 so it claimed and was owed an additional $50.000 for his legal services. This would have been OVER $120,000 IN LEGAL WORK!! Yet nothing was done by Attorney Friedman except for his time spent on these phone calls telling people why they needed to send him money for him to represent them. He never filed the promised appearance or did anything else and refused to disclose to everyone who sent him money any details about this

    Bob Gunther claimed the other $60,000 in cash had been spent by Gunther on his expenses in running this ASDMBA Trust for 5 months. Interestingly enough, he paid his own family members much of it for WORK they did….yeah sure!! Bob Gunther said the ASDMBA had no money left, owed Larry Friedman $50,000 and admitted nothing had yet been filed in the case, but said no one was going to be getting a refund.

    Even a Country Boy can see this was nothing more than a Scam to steal people’s money!!! But as Mr. Patrick Pretty says, Mr. Friedman is a HIGH PROFILE Dallas Attorney well connected with the Courts, Top Republican Leaders, Government Officials and you just cannot question him. When people like Mr. Jack Aarons suggested to people who had sent Friedman money to file complaints with the Texas Bar because they couldn’t get either a refund or any information about what he did for $120,000 in legal work, he sued Mr. Arrons and is threatening to sue eveyone else who is speaking up.

    We have our First Amendment Rights to put our opinions and talk to people on the Internet but Friedman apparently does not think so. People in the Media other than the Internet think so too. My wife’s cousin is a well know Investigative Reporter for one of the Dallas TV stations and she has been sending him all the information about the ASDMBA, Friedman’s Lawsuit against blogger Aarons, recordings of Friedman’s solitations and other documentation about Friedman’s past and Gunther’s past that has been researched and made public.

    Let’s see if Larry Friedman has the clout to shut down an Investigative Reporter know for exposing Crooks and Scams in the Dallas Television Market?? Do you think he will sue them to keep them quiet. He called my wife today asking how he could get in touch with Aarons after she emailed him the legal documents Aarons got and posted today where Friedman is trying to force the company hosting one of the blogs to disclose personal information about people who are posting comments. THIS IS A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION AND FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUE AND A FEDERAL LAWSUIT DOES NEED TO FILED.

    Folks, please send Mr. Aarons some money, he wants it only as a LOAN to cover the filing fees for Federal Court. He stuck his neck out trying to help people who were scammed by these two charlatans who decided to use JUDICIAL TYRANNY to shut him up and scare off people so they could just walk away stealing $130,000 without being questioned or being held accountable. They will be held accountable.

    Come on ahead Friedman, sue us to. There are over 300 ASDMBA members in Florida and we all need to get together to file complaints with the FLORIDA BAR ASSOCIATION as Friedman has a license in this State. The Attorney General in Florida who I am sure Friedman and Gunther do not control will listen to 300 Florida residents!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Shaun and Ida Davis
    Tampa, Florida

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  6. Already done, Shaun. Nice guest editorial, I mean post, and it’s nice to see some locals are taking an interest in Larry.

    Insult Larry over the Internet and you get instant action. Send him more than most people make in a year and nothing.

    Be sure to send the investigative reporter this article.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3862/is_200104/ai_n8949954/pg_5/

    [quote=”Bnet”]And that brings up a sore point. Friedman had agreed to an interview about the Yahoo case, but he’s wary. Friedman has been furious at D Magazine since September 1997, when editor and publisher Wick Allison tagged him as responsible for an “odor at the courthouse.” Allison blasted Friedman for bragging about how his law partner Driegert could get favorable treatment from Republican judges. I promised Friedman that I would base this story on my own research.[/quote]

    [quote=”Bnet”]One prominent member of the legal community – who has no connection with this case – insists that if Friedman told him the sun would rise in the cast, he’d go outside to make sure. State and federal judges have sanctioned him three times for unprofessional conduct. (Friedman fought the sanctions and has suceeded in getting two reversed.) In fact, when Friedman took over, the Yahoo lawsuit was in the court of State District Judge Bill Rhea, who had sanctioned him for $18,000 for making false statements in an affidavit.[/quote]

    The article gets good about Larry on page 5.

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  7. Hey Patrick,

    Could you fix my quotes? I guess no quotes in quotes on the board.

    Oh and one question. How many Superbowls has Pittsburgh won?

    dB

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  8. Perhaps ASDMBA members who feel they have been misled could file a lawsuit in their local jurisdiction since they do have standing. One in each state should do nicely.

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  9. Tony H:

    Pistol: Arons was/is trying to defend the indefensible

    As you have obviously been keeping a close watch on what Jack has been posting, perhaps you can answer something I’ve been wondering for a while. Exactly what was it that Jack posted/wrote that so upset the scum sucking lawyer and his bottom-feeding law firm?As you say it was an obvious ponzi scheme, and yet Friedman said on one of the calls that he had reviewed the ASD business model, and he and his partner confirmed that ASD was not a ponzi scheme. It was an obvious ponzi scheme, but this lawyer and his law firm were so incompetent that they could not see it?
    If there are any members of the “trust” left who haven’t requested a refund, they should ask them selves this: How many papers has the lawyer filed on behalf of the “trust”, and how many have been filed against someone who has no hope of paying any “damages” that may be claimed? Is the lawyer spending the time & effort on behalf of the trust that they should be?

    I have no idea what upset Friedman nor do I care. I am not here to defend Friedman, Guenther, Arons or anybody else for that matter. As far as I am concerned they all swim in the same murky waters, anyone who is/was connected with ASD or any of the other scams it gave birth to including the ASDMBA and Moriarty’s fandangle are far from being guilt free.

    Never lose sight of the fact that without people like Arons and Guenther who were willing to sign up to scams like ASD, Ponzis would not, could not, survive.

    In Arons case he had three accounts for investigative purposes. Yeah, right. My guess would be that Arons’ righteous crusade, first against Bowdoin then Guenther and Friedman was borne not out of a desire to help others but an overwhelming thirst for vengeance.

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  10. Hi dirty_bird,

    dirty_bird: Could you fix my quotes? I guess no quotes in quotes on the board.

    I’m not sure what you mean here. :-)

    And the Pittsburgh Steelers have won six Super Bowls.

    Patrick

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  11. admin: Hi dirty_bird,

    dirty_bird: Could you fix my quotes? I guess no quotes in quotes on the board.

    I’m not sure what you mean here.
    And the Pittsburgh Steelers have won six Super Bowls.Patrick

    Hey Patrick,

    Check my post a few posts up. I quoted a Bnet article and attempted to use the quotes tag to make a box with the quotation. I can see the usual blogs tags but my quote is in plain text. I should have used a

    quote

    tag.

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  12. Pistol: I have no idea what upset Friedman nor do I care.

    You are not the only one who doesn’t know. I’ve just listened to the audio file “Kangaroocourt.mp3” that Jack posted elsewhere. I got the distinct impression that the Judge does not know either. But the Judge should know? Or was she taking the word of a “high profile”, “mover & shaker”, Dallas lawyer?

    Pistol:As far as I am concerned they all swim in the same murky waters, anyone who is/was connected with ASD or any of the other scams it gave birth to including the ASDMBA and Moriarty’s fandangle are far from being guilt free.

    That is, of course, your opinion. And you are free to express it. Or are you? Jack has no money so he can’t buy a “high profile”, “mover & shaker”, Dallas lawyer with good connections. But for Guenther with his ex-marine commando pals, ever ready to threaten small children, and his very good friend, Friedfish the lawyer, the rules are different. Those able to “pull strings” with the “Dallas court” are able to suppress opinion just buy claiming “bad things have been said”, without saying what was actually said.

    There may be an ulterior motive for Jack to have three accounts with ASD. He may have been incredibly stupid and greedy to sign up for ASD. He may well deserve to lose any money he put into ASD. However, he does not deserve to be the defendant of a frivolous lawsuit from a bullying lawyer, that has the only purpose of intimidation. He should not need to go through all the stress & inconvenience for merely expressing opinions.

    This lawsuit is frivolous. If I were Jack I would ask at every communication with Friedfish, the Judge and the arbitrator, exactly what was posted that Friedfish is complaining about. I would want to know the exact post, exactly what was written, when and where. If Friedfish, the Judge or the arbitrator can’t or won’t say, then why is US tax payers money being wasted like this?

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  13. Pistol I will answer your question first since it seems that you know more than me. The three accounts that were opened were not with my money and were at various stages of ASD. The amounts were by and far way less than anything one could imagine that one could put in and were for investigative purposes as well as the two free accounts. I was not alone in what I did. The best way to get information and to find out what needs to be done is to become a member. Lets say you wanted to find out how everything worked. Would you just walk up to Andy and say give me the inside scoop and Andy would ask you are you a member. So as a member in the various stages I could ask questions and get some answers. If you doubt that then you can take your questions to the Attorney General for Florida. By the way in case you do not know I did not bring ASD down..Andy thought that I was a thorn in his side and went to the Fl Ag’s office to complain about my postings and that is how the investigation into Ego Andy started especially since Ego Andy failed to register his business and to pay taxes for sales that originated in Florida.

    And as Paul Harvey would say “You now have the rest of the story.”

    Tony H:

    I have asked and asked and not one of them can give me a straight answer and Larry especially can not answer because according to Boobie Bob he has been unable to give him enough miss-information or find any posts that would support his claim.

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  14. Jack Arons: I have asked and asked and not one of them can give me a straight answer and Larry especially can not answer because according to Boobie Bob he has been unable to give him enough miss-information or find any posts that would support his claim.

    In the US, and a lot of other places, a person is assumed to be innocent until proved guilty. It should be up to Friedfish to prove that you are guilty. Until then you are innocent. He should be able to show what post(s) you made that were libel & slander. If he can’t, you are innocent. I would make that clear to Friedfish, the judge, anyone else. But I’m not a “high profile” lawyer able to pull strings at the “Dallas court”, so things may be different in Texas.

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  15. Tony H:

    Those able to “pull strings” with the “Dallas court” are able to suppress opinion just buy claiming “bad things have been said”, without saying what was actually said.
    I would want to know the exact post, exactly what was written, when and where.

    I expect that Friedman is saving the best bits ’til last. I very much doubt that a lawyer of his experience would sue somebody for libel or slander without a shred of evidence.

    I may be mistaken and as I am not in the habit of saving posts I have no way, except by spending endless hours trawling through posts in which I have no real interest, of proving what I am about to say. Nevertheless I am pretty sure I have seen posts by Arons that describes Guenther as a crook, scammer, thief, liar ect, ect. I would be very surprised indeed if Arons, at some point or another, hadn’t included Friedman within that description, given that Guenther and Friedman seemed to be working in concert regarding the trust.

    Time will tell but I think we can all rest assured that if such posts exist Friedman will have copies of them. I think the fact that Friedman only appears to have asked Ning for names, addresses ect rather than posts indicates that he thinks he has sufficient evidence to prove his case.

    Arons may or may not deserve all of this hassle but nobody can deny that he could or should have seen this coming when he started castigating and mixing it with a lawyer of all people.

    Discretion is the better part of valour.

    Stupidity knows no bounds

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  16. Spelling: It should be etc. rather than ect.

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  17. Jack posted this over at Scam.com. Larry is going after Ning ASD Business Information Zone posters.

    And the winners are:

    a. Jack Arons
    b. Wayne Tidderington
    c. EagleOne
    d. Baron
    e. Steve S. Smith
    f. Don
    g. Kathy Matter
    h. Michele Lentz
    i. Roxy Lewis

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  18. I have stayed away from all this nonsense for the last week and have emailed to support@patrickpretty.com ( AT YOUR REQUEST) many private email communications reflecting incriminating data that the ASDMBA collected LAST October, November and December. Emails that show others participating in ASD knock offs. Emails between me and William Cowden, advising him of things relative to the prosecution of ASD and to the location of hidden funds. Emails from ASDMBA and PANDA members confirming that the ASDMBA was able to retrieve money from BUSBY and from people who have been scammed by ANDY and his cohorts. Emails directing you to people who are HUGE winners with ASD, specifically Robert Fava, twice convicted of exposing himself to children, and the internal scam he and many of his down line were running..ALL THIS INFORMATION, and this is what you chose to run???? Why?? Are you afraid of the truth..

    Where are you located, Florida I suspect, you must be in with the Port Charlotte or Punta Gorda group of ASD winners. Idiots who think calling the ASDMBA insurance underwriter might give them information, please… Or are you in Detroit, Mich. with the other group of winners.. You see people,these ASD winnes will do anything to stop anyone from extracting justice, because then they have to pay up,
    PONZI WINNERS PAY UP SO THE LOSERS “MIGHT” GET PAID..

    BY THE WAY, for everyone that wants to know that phone numbers to these guys, 941.655.0252 and 313.544.1403.. A simple reverse search will give you the names and addresses.

    I gave you information and promised you so much more in hopes that this forum might be a place that would tell the truth, when presented FACTS.. Facts that refute the authenticity of this “COPY THE NEWS” forum. There is no investigation or journalism here, these clowns just watch the internet, take tidbits to drive traffic to their site, and thats that..

    You want a war, there Patrick, you got one.. Unless you PRINT the truth I will send a email out to the entire database of the ASDMBA and ask their support is exposing you for what you are, Possibly a ASD winner!!!

    Out of the 1842 members, only 18 have requested the ASDMBA disband.. Why dont you, with all of your reach, which I doubt reaches that far,gather together all of the people who are requesting the ASDMBA to disband, post their names, city and ASD Number?? Fair request..

    As for Arons, if you dont post the truth, I will. Arons knows what has happened and what he can and cant do, if he violates anything during the 30 day period, sanctions will be imposed, of course he already has, but his outreach and credibility is gome..

    How about you?? Print the truth, get off the ASDMBA or start a war.. Your Choice…

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  19. Robert Guenther: I have stayed away from all this nonsense for the last week and have emailed to support@patrickpretty.com ( AT YOUR REQUEST) many private email communications reflecting incriminating data that the ASDMBA collected LAST October, November and December. Emails that show others participating in ASD knock offs. Emails between me and William Cowden, advising him of things relative to the prosecution of ASD and to the location of hidden funds. Emails from ASDMBA and PANDA members confirming that the ASDMBA was able to retrieve money from BUSBY and from people who have been scammed by ANDY and his cohorts. Emails directing you to people who are HUGE winners with ASD, specifically Robert Fava,twice convicted of exposing himself to children, and the internal scam he and many of his down line were running..ALL THIS INFORMATION, and this is what you chose to run???? Why?? Are you afraid of the truth..Where are you located, Florida I suspect, you must be in with the Port Charlotte or Punta Gorda group of ASD winners. Idiots who think calling the ASDMBA insurance underwriter might give them information, please… Or are you in Detroit, Mich. with the other group of winners.. You see people,these ASD winnes will do anything to stop anyone from extracting justice, because then they have to pay up,PONZI WINNERS PAY UP SO THE LOSERS “MIGHT” GET PAID..BY THE WAY, for everyone that wants to know that phone numbers to these guys, 941.655.0252and 313.544.1403.. A simple reverse search will give you the names and addresses.I gave you information and promised you so much more in hopes that this forum might be a place that would tell the truth, when presented FACTS..Facts that refute the authenticity of this “COPY THE NEWS” forum. There is no investigation or journalism here, these clowns just watch the internet, take tidbits to drive traffic to their site, and thats that..You want a war, there Patrick, you got one.. Unless you PRINT the truth I will send a email out to the entire database of the ASDMBA and ask their support is exposing you for what you are, Possibly a ASD winner!!!
    Out of the 1842 members, only 18 have requested the ASDMBA disband.. Why dont you, with all of your reach, which I doubt reaches that far,gather together all of the people who are requesting the ASDMBA to disband, post their names, city and ASD Number??Fair request..As for Arons, if you dont post the truth, I will. Arons knows what has happened and what he can and cant do, if he violates anything during the 30 day period, sanctions will be imposed, of course he already has, but his outreach and credibility is gome..How about you??Print the truth, get off the ASDMBA or start a war.. Your Choice…

    A threat from Bob….imagine that.

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  20. Note to readers:

    I’ve written about this before, but I’ll mention it again. I was not a member of ASD and have no stake in the outcome. I was not a member of ASDMBA and have no stake in the outcome. I am a reporter with more than 20 years’ experience.

    Patrick

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  21. Patrick:

    Wow, now you have homes in Michigan and Florida. I am jealous. I wonder if the Arizona Prosecutor would find Bob’s post above an interesting read?

    Be careful or Bob will sick his Ninja Turtles on you, or was that alien’s? With Bob it is hard to keep his players straight.

    I see Larry F. is now after Ning posters. What an impressive list of people he wants to know all about. Hopefully Ning tells Larry thanks but no thanks. At some point someone needs to put a stop to this nonsense of a witch hunt of Larry’s.

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  22. And let me tell you I’m outraged. That I didn’t make the list anyway.

    dirty_bird: Jack posted this over at Scam.com.Larry is going after Ning ASD Business Information Zone posters.And the winners are:a.Jack Arons
    b.Wayne Tidderington
    c.EagleOne
    d.Baron
    e.Steve S. Smith
    f.Don
    g.Kathy Matter
    h.Michele Lentz
    i.Roxy Lewis

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  23. Mr. Guenther,
    After checking the two phone numbers you gave, I noticed that one of them matched an individual, Bob Sterling, whom I have seen you rail against o numerous occasions.

    What, pray tell, started this rift between you and Mr. Sterling?

    Henry Higgins

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  24. Whose driving the Train? One must wonder if the conductor in the caboose is driving the train.

    What does Bob have over Larry Friedman that would cause Larry to do his bidding for him. Several weeks ago I believe on this blog or it could have been a post over at ASD-Biz Mr. Guenther made a threat that he was going to have Ning give up all the information on the Players as he called them. Now we have Larry Friedman doing just that. If one was to go back and just read some of the childish rants by Mr. Guenther and read between the lines one would see that most of his threats have been carried out by Friedman. Bob threatened to sue me and Larry has. Bob threatened to shut down ASD-Biz or at least get the actual information concerning the posters who have been against him. Larry has obliged.

    Now Bob has implied that I am under TRO or something that I am not aware of. Again does he have some type of inside information that no one else has.

    So let us look at why would Friedman put his reputation on the line for Bob Guenther?
    What ever the information that Bob has against Friedman it must be something that could ruin him and his Firm.

    The person driving this train is Bob and all the names that are on the list are people who have disagreed with Bob at some time or another. Unfortunately for Bob he has gotten Larry to do something Larry should have thought twice about. If for no other reason than this is the type of case that the ACLU, Electronic Freedom Foundation and other Free Speech fighters love to sink their teeth into.

    This fight is not Larry’s fight but Bob’s. Bob is feeding him all the information that he wants Larry to hear and the more that I think about it the more I think that in some small way Larry just like everyone else has been duped the only difference is that we have not tried to take on the entire internet nor did we try to take down a “HIGH PROFILE” non profit whose purpose is to stop those who prey on the naive with their scams.

    Before, it was a fight between David and Goliath. Now its Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck against me.

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  25. Pistol:I expect that Friedman is saving the best bits ’til last. I very much doubt that a lawyer of his experience would sue somebody for libel or slander without a shred of evidence.

    You could be right. However the Yahoo case shows that certain Texas lawyers use the tactic of filing as many suits & motions as possible, with the hope of intimidating people into submission. This seems to me to be similar but more sophisticated than the tactic used by Richmond & the Arby Indians.

    Pistol:I am pretty sure I have seen posts by Arons that describes Guenther as a crook, scammer, thief, liar ect, ect. I would be very surprised indeed if Arons, at some point or another, hadn’t included Friedman within that description, given that Guenther and Friedman seemed to be working in concert regarding the trust.

    Yes, I’ve seen many posts describing Guenther as a crook, scammer, thief, liar, someone who thinks nothing of threatening small children and referring to his ex-marine pals. It is possible that Jack had included Friedfish in that description. However, Guenther is not the one who is claiming to be libelled, Friedfish is. If Friedfish has been libelled it should be possible for him show that he has.

    Pistol:Time will tell but I think we can all rest assured that if such posts exist Friedman will have copies of them.

    But what if the posts don’t exist? What if the libel case has no merit? A simple way of deciding that would be for Friedfish to show the exact posts where he was libelled. If he did that, Jack could then admit to it, issue an apology, case closed. Instead, this lawyer seems intent on flooding the courts with paperwork. Just like the Yahoo case.

    Pistol:I think the fact that Friedman only appears to have asked Ning for names, addresses ect rather than posts indicates that he thinks he has sufficient evidence to prove his case.

    If Friedfish has been libelled by Jack, why is Friedfish now asking for information about numerous other posters? Is Friedfish claiming that he has been libelled by all those other people? Will more libel cases be filed?

    Robert Guenther:You want a war, there Patrick, you got one.. Unless you PRINT the truth I will send a email out to the entire database of the ASDMBA and ask their support is exposing you for what you are, Possibly a ASD winner!!!

    That’s some threat. I wonder if the email could be considered “unsolicited”? i.e. spam.

    Robert Guenther:As for Arons, if you dont post the truth, I will. Arons knows what has happened and what he can and cant do, if he violates anything during the 30 day period, sanctions will be imposed, of course he already has, but his outreach and credibility is gome..

    Of course these “sanctions” don’t apply to you do they? So you are free to goad and threaten anyone who doesn’t stroke your ego. Also, I didn’t know Jack had any “credibility” to start with. But his “outreach” didn’t stretch to threatening small children or referring to ex-marine types.

    Robert Guenther:How about you?? Print the truth, get off the ASDMBA or start a war.. Your Choice…

    More threats. What an idiot.

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  26. Daffy Duck Bob:

    Again you have made a statement just like the last time before service of process. Since I have not been notified in a timely manner which I might add even concerns motions before the court per Texas Law and I have not received anything from the kangaroo court then I will continue to post. Besides that The Texas Supreme Court has ruled that a person must be served with papers in a timely manner and that three hours after the fact is a violation of Texas Law. I will be sending ALL the documents and the court filings to the Texas Bar on Monday along with a letter and will follow it up with a sworn under oath affidavit which will include among other things the most damning evidence of all. If I am going to be accused of doing something then I am going to dam well do it.

    Pistol:

    You have not read the current papers correctly. Please note Exhibit A of the subpoena which states that they want all the posts.

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  27. “You have not read the current papers correctly. Please note Exhibit A of the subpoena which states that they want all the posts.”

    Yes, you are quite correct although it doesn’t mention posts specifically it does say ALL documents pertaining to the posters named. My mistake.

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  28. Tony H:
    Yes, I’ve seen many posts describing Guenther as a crook, scammer, thief, liar, someone who thinks nothing of threatening small children and referring to his ex-marine pals. It is possible that Jack had included Friedfish in that description. However, Guenther is not the one who is claiming to be libelled, Friedfish is. If Friedfish has been libelled it should be possible for him show that he has.

    If Arons included Friedman in his descriptions of Guenther then it would seem to be “case over” If Friedman has been libelled then of course it should be possible for him to show that he has in which case I have no doubt that he will do just that but at a time and place of his choosing. Lawyers are not known for showing their hand too early.

    BTW do you have copies of the threats to young children? Are you referring to where Guenther asked what age Arons daughter was? If so then Arons is guilty of a similar “crime” in that he enquired about Guenther’s family. Arons described it as fighting fire with fire. I have previously said that two wrongs do not make a right. Regardless of the sins of the father the fathers sins should not be visited upon his children. Or something along those lines.

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  29. Incidentally Arons doesn’t seem to be doing himself any favours by referring to the court that is hearing the case as a kangaroo court. Not exactly the recommended way to win friends and influence people.

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  30. Pistol: Are you referring to where Guenther asked what age Arons daughter was? If so then Arons is guilty of a similar “crime” in that he enquired about Guenther’s family.

    Arons family, Guenther’s family. No mention of Friedfish that I can remember, and the court case is about Friedfish vs Arons not Guenther.

    Pistol:Arons doesn’t seem to be doing himself any favours by referring to the court that is hearing the case as a kangaroo court.

    True, but from the Yahoo case, the lawyer firm claimed to have influence with some judges, so there is a possible reason for the “kangaroo court” reference.

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  31. Calling it a kangaroo case is an insult to most kangaroos

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  32. Tony H:

    Pistol: Are you referring to where Guenther asked what age Arons daughter was? If so then Arons is guilty of a similar “crime” in that he enquired about Guenther’s family.

    Arons family, Guenther’s family. No mention of Friedfish that I can remember, and the court case is about Friedfish vs Arons not Guenther.

    Pistol:Arons doesn’t seem to be doing himself any favours by referring to the court that is hearing the case as a kangaroo court.

    True, but from the Yahoo case, the lawyer firm claimed to have influence with some judges, so there is a possible reason for the “kangaroo court” reference.

    Yes it is about Friedman vs Aron which makes me wonder why you brought up the reported threat made by Guenther against Arons daughter? Unless there are threats made against children by Friedman that you are aware of?

    There is very likely a very good reason for the kangaroo court reference but it isn’t a very good idea to say so when you are presumably hoping that that same court will return a verdict in your favour. The height of stupidity, I would say. Of course, Arons can always launch another appeal for funds to pay a lawyer to help get him out the hole he has dug for himself. Let’s hope that the rich Aron supporters can see their way to contributing more than a miserly $100. I expect he is going to need it desperately. Just like it wasn’t his money (he says) that he invested in ASD, it won’t be his money that pays his legal expenses.

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  33. There are several points that make me scratch my head.

    1. Guenther doesn’t think twice about issuing threats whenever and where ever he so chooses. Witness the tirade against Patrick. Any reasonable person would consider the “starting a war” language to be a threat.

    2. Guenther issues his threat 3 days before appearing in Arizona on felony charges of similar behavior. The prosecutor cited the dangerous nature of the threats.

    3. Friedman saw fit to draw up a letter warning Guenther about “going around issuing threats.” This was leaked to Arons and published on the Internet.

    4. The Government has alleged and the courts have agreed that Bowdoin was operating an illegal Ponzi. Bowdoin has admitted this in court documents but argues that the Government was obligated warn him before taking any action.

    5. Friedman made representations while promoting the ASDMBA Trust that ASD was not a Ponzi. This has been documented. People presumably acted on his representations.

    6. Trusts are not county registered entities. It doesn’t matter what a Dallas county judge does or doesn’t think about the trust….it’s not in their jurisdiction.

    7. People from all over the country paid money to the Trust which makes it a Federal matter as it involves interstate commerce.

    While Guenther may see fit to go around threatening people until he’s stopped by the courts, I don’t see an upside for Friedman. $120k has to be pocket change to him. The risks would seem to greatly outweigh amy reward. No court is going to grant control over confiscated funds to a law firm who represents one of the “players” in the Ponzi in question. The court will appoint an outside firm if it choose to appoint a Receiver.

    All in all, it seems Jack is right. Bob is pulling the string for some reason. Most lawyers get called much worse on a daily basis than anything I have seen about Friedman and hardly notice. They are simply too busy to notice, used to it or busy with projects that interest them. They are also smart enough to know that taking action against a critic, unless it threatens their ability to conduct business, just validates the critic and fuels the fire….which would seem to be the case here. If Friedman winds up in Federal Court, he’s open to being deposed at that level (just think about all the questions about the Trust, his business relationship with Bob and his representations that ASD was not a Ponzi) and there’s nothing any Dallas County Court can do about it.

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  34. Several people have voiced a question that I, too, have been wondering about. It seems very clear that Bob Guenther is leading Larry Friedman by the nose in the ASDMBA isse, and, given Larry Friedman’s status as a “high profile” attorney, this is more than surprising.

    As has been pointed out – Friedman seems to be acting out Bob Guenther’s threats and condoning his activities by doing what Bob wants.

    If Friedfish really wants to conserve whast remains of his reputation, he would be well advised to leave the critics along, instead of adding fuel to the fire. If anyone had any doubt about Friedman’s reputation before, he is now personally responsible for pages of posts about him on at least 10 internet forums and blogs, which for the most part are written by people without “a dog in the fight” He is allowing his chum Bob Guenther to magnify the coverage of his activities tenfold, as well.

    So the question remains. Why is Larry Friedman, the high profile attorney from Friedman & Feiger permitting Bob Guenther to lead him down this self destructive path? What does Bob know about Friedman that Friedman doesnt want the world to know about and is worth the bad publicity he is causing himself?

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  35. AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  36. Pistol, or should I call you UF? Are you aware that by your calling ASD a Ponzi you have slandered and libeled Larry Friedman and his law firm? Yep, because Larry said in a telephone conference call that ASD was not a Ponzi, and therefore since he is this mover and shaker high-powered attorney, you have called him a liar. So don’t be surprised when he comes after you for adding to the disparagement of his and his law firm’s reputation. It’s tough being Pious isn’t it.

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  37. Lynn:

    I second that!!!!!

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  38. Lynndel Edgington: Pistol, or should I call you UF?Are you aware that by your calling ASD a Ponzi you have slandered and libeled Larry Friedman and his law firm?Yep, because Larry said in a telephone conference call that ASD was not a Ponzi, and therefore since he is this mover and shaker high-powered attorney, you have called him a liar.So don’t be surprised when he comes after you for adding to the disparagement of his and his law firm’s reputation. It’s tough being Pious isn’t it.

    Well, if he does you can rest assured of one thing, I wont go crying like a baby all over the internet looking for people to bail me out.

    BTW I dont think pious is the word I would choose to describe an atheist but whatever floats your boat, Pinky.

    http://asdgodsown.ning.com/

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  39. Pistol:

    Lynndel Edgington: Pistol, or should I call you UF?Are you aware that by your calling ASD a Ponzi you have slandered and libeled Larry Friedman and his law firm?Yep, because Larry said in a telephone conference call that ASD was not a Ponzi, and therefore since he is this mover and shaker high-powered attorney, you have called him a liar.So don’t be surprised when he comes after you for adding to the disparagement of his and his law firm’s reputation. It’s tough being Pious isn’t it.

    Well, if he does you can rest assured of one thing, I wont go crying like a baby all over the internet looking for people to bail me out.BTW I dont think pious is the word I would choose to describe an atheist but whatever floats your boat, Pinky.http://asdgodsown.ning.com/

    Actually it is the correct word in your case. Pious: “Characterized by solemn hypocrisy..high-minded.”

    You are aware that ‘Aethism’ is a religion, aren’t you? So it doubly applies.

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  40. Lynn, maybe you should have used the word “smug”, or “supèrcilious”, or “know it all” as it has no religious connotations and wont offend UF’s sensibilities, in the same way that pious, sanctimonious, and holier than thou do.

    Personally, I prefer vulture – feeding on the flesh of the already dead, having done nothing to intervene to try to prevent it happening.

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  41. I think that this article is the reason Bugs Bunny is trying to shut everyone up and keep it out of the newspapers and the Federal Court. If word was to get out about the ASDMBA then how many of these people would even consider having Bugs Bunny do anything for them.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/columnists/chall/stories/DN-Hall_03bus.ART.State.Edition1.4a619f6.html

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    My right to post information is protected under the constitutional rights for freedom. Any use of the collective descriptions and shared knowledge from any of my posts are at the sole discretion of the reader.

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  42. Poor uncle fecal….still as irrelevant as always. The jealousy that no one listens to you still oozes through every one of your crying posts.

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  43. Lynndel Edgington:
    Actually it is the correct word in your case.Pious: “Characterized by solemn hypocrisy..high-minded.”
    You are aware that ‘Aethism’ is a religion, aren’t you?So it doubly applies.

    No. I am not aware of that, Pinky. Perhaps you meant Atheism? But then I am not aware that that is a religion either. Perhaps a scholar of your high intelligence can enlighten me?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

    There is something of a religious nature about Big Bubba’s place if you are so inclined. I shall have a word with him about putting up some deities for your perusal.

    http://asdgodsown.ning.com/

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  44. alasycia:having done nothing to intervene to try to prevent it happening.

    Why would I or could I? I have many faults but unlike some that inhabit this and other places I am not vain enough to believe that anything that I or anyone else chooses to say on some obscure forum is going to stop the greedy from chasing the money or think I can put the world to rights.I thought vigilante posses went out with Tom Mix and Hopalong?

    Besides, they deserve everything they get and also deserve to lose every penny. The only pity about that is that some people will get rich.

    Let me ask you something Angel.Or anybody else who might care to answer. Would you rather all of the so-called “victims” of Bowdoin and Guenther received every penny of their money back so they could invest it in the next get-rich-quick scam that takes their fancy or would you rather see the $93 million invested in a school, hospital or old folks home building programme? EH? C’mon speak up. I can’t hear you. Which option would you plump for?

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  45. Pistol:

    Why would I or could I? I have many faults but unlike some that inhabit this and other places I am not vain enough to believe that anything that I or anyone else chooses to say on some obscure forum is going to stop the greedy from chasing the money….

    So Pistol you have classified a group of people as “greedy”, and inherent in that is they have full knowledge of the real nature of what they are participating in. And then you say:

    Pistol: Besides, they deserve everything they get and also deserve to lose every penny. The only pity about that is that some people will get rich.

    I agree that “They” the “Greedy” class of people deserve to lose.

    Pistol: Would you rather all of the so-called “victims” of Bowdoin and Guenther received every penny of their money back so they could invest it in the next get-rich-quick scam that takes their fancy or would you rather see the $93 million invested in a school, hospital or old folks home building programme? EH? C’mon speak up. I can’t hear you. Which option would you plump for?

    But now how do you make the transition to all “Victims” as “Greedy”? Seems convenient for the ? you pose, first it was the “Greedy” class, now the entire class of ASD membership “Victims”, not just the subclass “Greedy” to make a point.

    I would take the $93 million, weed out the “Greedy” class and refund the “Victims”.

    Invest in a school? No Thanks. Government mandated propaganda, Big lobbyists NEA, money wasted.

    Invest in a hospital or old folks home? No Thanks, Don’t wish to contribute to the proliferation of an ineffective medicine model which is nothing more than creating more customers for Big Pharma and HealthCare stranglehold.

    Next!!

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  46. Joe:

    Invest in a school?No Thanks.Government mandated propaganda, Big lobbyists NEA, money wasted.Invest in a hospital or old folks home?No Thanks, Don’t wish to contribute to the proliferation of an ineffective medicine model which is nothing more than creating more customers for Big Pharma and HealthCare stranglehold.Next!!

    You reinforce my view of a typical ASD member. Thankyou, Joe.

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  47. Pistol:

    Joe:

    Invest in a school?No Thanks.Government mandated propaganda, Big lobbyists NEA, money wasted.Invest in a hospital or old folks home?No Thanks, Don’t wish to contribute to the proliferation of an ineffective medicine model which is nothing more than creating more customers for Big Pharma and HealthCare stranglehold.Next!!

    You reinforce my view of a typical ASD member. Thankyou, Joe.

    Pistol,

    Typical ASD Member? Perhaps you do have blinders on. But isn’t that what you intended, to redirect the subject of my post, again very convenient for you to sidestep this one.

    As for me:

    My views are based on real life experience in the 3 areas you mentioned.

    12 years as a public school teacher.

    2 years taking care of a friend with multiple cancers.

    2 years working in a old folks nursing center.

    Next!!

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  48. Joe:

    As for me:My views are based on real life experience in the 3 areas you mentioned.12 years as a public school teacher.2 years taking care of a friend with multiple cancers.2 years working in a old folks nursing center.Next!!

    Are you boasting or complaining, Joe?

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  49. Pistol:

    Joe:

    As for me:My views are based on real life experience in the 3 areas you mentioned.12 years as a public school teacher.2 years taking care of a friend with multiple cancers.2 years working in a old folks nursing center.Next!!

    Are you boasting or complaining, Joe?

    Neither Pistol, just informing.

    Again, you choose to not respond to:

    But now how do you make the transition to all “Victims” as “Greedy”?

    Next!!

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  50. Joe:

    Pistol:

    Joe:

    But now how do you make the transition to all “Victims” as “Greedy”?Next!!

    No problem, bud. One has to be either greedy or incredibly stupid to “invest” money in an obvious Internet ponzi. Which are you?

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  51. Pistol:

    Joe:

    Pistol:

    Joe:

    But now how do you make the transition to all “Victims” as “Greedy”?Next!!

    No problem, bud. One has to be either greedy or incredibly stupid to “invest” money in an obvious Internet ponzi. Which are you?

    Hey Pistol,

    Neither, not greedy and not “incredibly” stupid.

    I see you want to make this personal, but that was/is not my intent.

    Just wanted to understand, so now I see that you have added an additional class of people (incredibly stupid) as “Victims” which you forgot to mention in your original post about this subject.

    Any more lurking out there? 8:)

    I will say however that your original question as you framed it, is a loaded/trick question with my insert of your definition of Victims:

    “Would you rather all of the so-called “victims” (Greedy and/or Incredibly Stupid) of Bowdoin and Guenther received every penny of their money back so they could invest it in the next get-rich-quick scam that takes their fancy or would you rather see the $93 million invested in a school, hospital or old folks home building programme?”

    So it is either give the money; to the “Greedy” and/or “Incredibly Stupid” to continue the cycle of “Greediness” and/or “Incredibly Stupidness”, or to something on the surface which seems more worthy.

    As you have it framed, I would say the latter is the better choice of the two options, but only in the context you have it framed.

    Next!!

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  52. Look everyone knows that UF thinks (sorry, KNOWS) that everyone who has ever joined a ponzi scheme has done it knowingly, negligently, greedily, stupidly and is 150% responsible for all the consequences, whether or not they have been lied to, deceived, received erroneous information, been unable to confirm information et etc.

    Everyone also know that this could NEVER happen to him, because he is far smarter than the rest of us, and because we are not as smart as him, we are either part of the greedy etc or idiot morons above mentioned.

    Everyone knows that, in his opinion, (which is always right) that we are totally incapable of learning anything from our experiences and equally incapable of regret at having been involved in the first place. AND of course, anyone who has learnt and wishes to pass on the information to help others is ONLY doing it to cover up their greed.

    This then gives him a reason to demonstrate his superiority and take up half the comments page on a blog about a shameful court action brought by a high powered lawyer against a man who was just trying to help us find out facts about where our money went in the ASDMBA.

    FESTA – WE GET THE MESSAGE. YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE REST OF US PUT TOGETHER. You have made your point.

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  53. alasycia: Look everyone knows that UF thinks (sorry, KNOWS) that everyone who has ever joined a ponzi scheme has done it knowingly, negligently, greedily, stupidly and is 150% responsible for all the consequences, whether or not they have been lied to, deceived, received erroneous information, been unable to confirm information et etc.

    Not everyone, Angel. There are always exceptions to the rule. e.g. There will be some who joined ponzis while the balance of their mind was disturbed. As I understand it that is a valid defence in law. Mind you it could end up with you being thrown in a loony bin rather than in a jail if you ever try to use it and…. they wont let you out until you are “better”

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  54. P.S. You didn’t answer my question about schools, hospitals and old folks homes, Angel, or were you like Joe also a teacher, a cancer nurse and old folks home operative? Three jobs that made you think all such institutions were worthless?

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  55. I didnt answer your question for four reasons

    1.. It was off topic

    2. You have made up your mind about the answer, so there is no point.

    3. It is none of your business.

    4. It was off topic

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  56. Well, I’m all for taking all the money with no refunds to victims. Seriously, I have held that position from the beginning. but forget about schools etc…I say we use it to buy more medium range bombers!

    Pistol:

    alasycia:having done nothing to intervene to try to prevent it happening.

    Why would I or could I? I have many faults but unlike some that inhabit this and other places I am not vain enough to believe that anything that I or anyone else chooses to say on some obscure forum is going to stop the greedy from chasing the money or think I can put the world to rights.I thought vigilante posses went out with Tom Mix and Hopalong?Besides, they deserve everything they get and also deserve to lose every penny. The only pity about that is that some people will get rich.Let me ask you something Angel.Or anybody else who might care to answer. Would you rather all of the so-called “victims” of Bowdoin and Guenther received every penny of their money back so they could invest it in the next get-rich-quick scam that takes their fancy or would you rather see the $93 million invested in a school, hospital or old folks home building programme? EH? C’mon speak up. I can’t hear you. Which option would you plump for?

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  57. Gregg Evans: but forget about schools etc…

    So why fund your make believe University scholarship?

    http://asdgodsown.ning.com/

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  58. Looks like you’ve festa’d up this topic UF.

    The recent shower of new documents sent to Jack by Friedman are beginning to make the man look as if he is taking legal advice from Bob Guenther. He still doesnt have seemed to work out that Florida is not in Texas and that the internet is not based in Texas either – in fact its sort of “world wide”

    Oh dear

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  59. Jack Arons: Pistol I will answer your question first since it seems that you know more than me. The three accounts that were opened were not with my money and were at various stages of ASD. The amounts were by and far way less than anything one could imagine that one could put in and were for investigative purposes as well as the two free accounts. I was not alone in what I did. The best way to get information and to find out what needs to be done is to become a member. Lets say you wanted to find out how everything worked. Would you just walk up to Andy and say give me the inside scoop and Andy would ask you are you a member. So as a member in the various stages I could ask questions and get some answers. If you doubt that then you can take your questions to the Attorney General for Florida.

    So Mr Arons Sir, may I ask what extra information you hoped to get by investing $10, $50,and $100 in three accounts plus two free accounts (“The three accounts that were opened were not with my money and were at various stages of ASD. The amounts were by and far way less than anything one could imagine that one could put in and were for investigative purposes as well as the two free accounts.”) Rather than just, say, one $10 account?

    http://dropthelawsuitlarry.ning.com/xn/detail/3178460:Comment:60

    http://asdgodsown.ning.com/

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  60. No comment was the loud reply from both Evans and Arons. Can’t say I am in the least little bit surprised.

    http://asdgodsown.ning.com/

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