Is It A ‘Ghost?’ Top 5 Reasons To Avoid AdViewGlobal

EDITOR’S NOTE: There are plenty of reasons to avoid the AdViewGlobal (AVG) autosurf, not the least of which is that the government views the autosurf business model as foundationally corrupt. Autosurf operators and promoters are subject to prosecution under federal securities, wire-fraud, mail-fraud, money-laundering and racketeering statutes, and the surfs typically operate as Ponzi schemes. They also are subject to prosecution under state laws.

Readers should not infer that numbered items in the Top 5 list below are ranked in order of importance. Some of the information below is being published for the first time today.

1. AVG may be operating as a “ghost” enterprise. Research suggests that AVG, which purports to be headquartered offshore, may be using at least one U.S.-based company to funnel money to itself through complex wire transfers. The owner of the company filed a corporate bankruptcy petition in 2004 for a separate company he owned. In 2005, the owner filed a personal bankruptcy petition, listing nearly $1.4 million in liabilities and only $3,500 in assets.

The 2005 bankruptcy petition listed the owner’s address as an apartment, specifically using the abbreviation “Apt.” The apartment address, however, appears to have been the address of a UPS Store that once operated as a Mailboxes Etc.

A former business partner of the owner committed suicide in 2002, after members sued the former partner amid concerns that a large sum of money was missing from a co-op venture. Prior to taking his own life, the man made inquiries about banking in Switzerland and the Caribbean, according to court filings.

One of the key selling points of AVG is its purported offshore location. The company claims to be headquartered in Uruguay. Its servers resolve to Panama. Regardless, the company has used “gmail” addresses from U.S. based Google to communicate with members and perform certain customer-service functions.

A company with close ties to AdViewGlobal uses the address of this Florida office building.

A company with ties to AdViewGlobal uses the address of this U.S. office building.

Research suggests a company with which AVG has a close association is headquartered in a modern office building in the United States. The building was constructed in 2003. Office functions and conferencing can be rented by the hour. Two large airports are nearby, and a major Interstate highway is situated one mile from the building.

We are declining to publish the address of the building or identify its specific geographic location. We have confirmed through public records and other sources, however, that the company lists an address at the building, that the business has made inquiries about international wire transfers and that two international financial-services companies have established a tie to AVG and blocked wire transactions because of the AVG tie.

2. Two forfeiture cases against AdSurfDaily and a RICO case are still active. AVG launched in the wake of two forfeiture actions brought by the government against assets tied to AdSurfDaily and a racketeering lawsuit brought against ASD by individual members. AVG has close family, management and promotional ties to ASD (see No. 3 below), and the multiagency federal probe into ASD’s business practices is ongoing.

It is known that the U.S. Secret Service, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Department of Justice are involved in the investigation, and it is believed that the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the Securities and Exchange Commission have at least peripheral involvement. At the same time, it is known that the office of Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum is involved in the probe, and it is believed that other Florida agencies also are involved.

It also is known that various state attorneys general, state banking regulators and state securities regulators have knowledge about the ASD case.

Your AVG sponsor or his or her upline sponsor could be a target of the ASD investigation, which means you could be doing business with a person the government views as a participant in a criminal enterprise. Forfeiture complaints were filed against assets tied to ASD in August and December. The government views ASD as a criminal enterprise. All money collected by ASD and all “profits” derived from ASD are viewed as the proceeds of a crime.

Meanwhile, the RICO complaint brought by ASD members in January alleged that ASD was engaged in racketeering with unnamed co-conspirators. Some of the alleged co-conspirators may have ties to AVG.

3. AVG’s “association” structure does not insulate it from prosecution. AVG has shifted to an “association” structure, apparently on the theory that the “association” approach can immunize members from prosecution for violations of state and federal law. Such associations may say their power is derived from the U.S. Constitution. They may publish statements that resemble a loyalty oath and frequently are associated with tax schemes. Even by the incongruous standards of the surf world, AVG is setting a new standard for weirdness.

The AV Global Association (AVGA) is now listing Judy Harris as its “First Trustee.” Harris, the wife of George Harris, replaces Gary Talbert in the role of “First Trustee.” George Harris, the stepson of AdSurfDaily President Andy Bowdoin, is the “Successor Trustee.”

What this means, literally, is that AVG is linking itself to Bowdoin family members identified by the federal government as the beneficiaries of illegal conduct by ASD, after earlier disclaiming any affiliation with ASD and during an active criminal investigation.  What it means as a practical matter is unclear because the situation is so bizarre it almost defies description.

Talbert, who is not a Bowdoin family member but is a former ASD executive who filed a sworn affidavit on ASD’s behalf in the August forfeiture case, resigned suddenly March 20 as AVG’s chief executive officer. Three days later, on March 23, AVG announced its bank account had been suspended. AVG has never provided a clear explanation of either event. Talbert’s name now has been removed as an AVG “Trustee.”

Property owned by George and Judy Harris, including a car and a home in Tallahassee, Fla., was seized in the December forfeiture complaint, which alleged the $157,000 mortgage on the Harris home was retired with illegal proceeds derived from ASD.

There has been no public action in the December forfeiture case since the filing of the complaint. Neither George nor Judy Harris has filed a claim to their home. Neither George nor Judy Harris has filed a claim to a car prosecutors alleged was purchased with illegal proceeds derived from ASD.

4. At least one proffer letter exists in the ASD case. In April, in their final response to a series of responses to Andy Bowdoin’s pro se pleadings in the forfeiture case brought in August, prosecutors revealed that Bowdoin had signed a proffer letter. Proffer letters sometimes mean that the one who proffers is willing to provide the government information that is helpful in the prosecution of others.

Bowdoin never told ASD members about the proffer letter. Nor did he tell them about the December forfeiture complaint, which includes extremely specific allegations. Bowdoin waited until March to tell members he had decided in January to submit to the forfeiture of tens of millions of dollars seized in the August complaint.

Bowdoin’s first public comments on his January decision to submit to the forfeiture came in the form of a Bowdoin letter published in March on the pro-ASD Surf’s Up forum. In the letter,  Bowdoin triumphantly announced he had changed his mind about submitting to the forfeiture — while ignoring the fact that he never told members about the December complaint or his January forfeiture decision. In essence, Bowdoin blamed his former paid counsel for the trouble he was in and said the federal government was prosecuting ASD illegally.

In his letter, Bowdoin chided federal prosecutors, saying his pro se pleadings “should really get their attention” and urging members to write to President Obama, members of Congress and Fox News personality Glenn Beck.

At 74 — and a convicted felon from a 1990s securities scheme in which 89 separate instances of fraud were alleged in Alabama — Bowdoin urged his supporters to tell anybody who cared to listen that he was a victim of an out-of-control government. In July 2008, just days before the government seized tens of millions of dollars from ASD, Bowdoin plunked down nearly $50,000 to purchase a new Lincoln, according to the December forfeiture complaint.

A month later he sent his Alabama victims a check for $100, according to the St. Petersburg Times, a Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper. The Lincoln alone cost more than the remaining restitution due the Alabama victims.

Even though Bowdoin told ASD members in March that he would hold a conference call soon to explain what was going on, the conference call never materialized. And Bowdoin still has not told members about the proffer letter he signed.

5. General confusion about AVG. One AVG member observed that the firm’s explanations about its business practices have been about as clear as “mud.”  Among the current issues are a failed attempt last week by the company to launch a new website, a denial by a company AVG said was facilitating offshore wire transfers that it had any business relationship with AVG, confusion about AVG debit cards and why some AVG members seem predisposed to cheer for the company as though members were taking part in a religious revival.

Loyalists, meanwhile, continue to maintain that AVG members have a duty not to talk about the company in public, insisting that members adhere to “association” rules.

Some AVG members say they want to use a spreadsheet to educate prospects about potential earnings, but others say spreadsheets are one of the things that led to trouble for AdSurfDaily. At the same time, members are trying to stop other members from using the word “investment” when discussing AVG, apparently believing that calling AVG an “advertising” company instead of an “investment” company somehow would insulate AVG from the prying eyes of the government.

Such attempts at forced wordplay not only provide no protection, they also provide evidence of what investigators call “consciousness of guilt.” Indeed, there would be no reason to insist on the forced use of language if promoters didn’t recognize the legal danger they were in — and calling AVG an “advertising” company does nothing to change the simple fact that AVG and surfs that use similar models are vulnerable to charges of selling unregistered securities as investment contracts. The surfs cannot pass a simple test (“The Howey Test”) that became a threshold securities test and litigation benchmark 63 years ago, in 1946, when Harry Truman was President of the United States. The Howey case was on the books 15 years prior to the 1961 birth of Barack Obama, the current President, and 23 years prior to the first moon landing in 1969.

In recent days, some AVG members have been reluctant even to mention the name “AdSurfDaily,” instead referring to the embattled surf with close AVG ties as the “company.” The paranoia is palpable.

One problem with paranoia — and it is a problem AVG is experiencing — is that it does not translate well among people who have no reason to be paranoid. Many entry-level surf participants, for example, don’t understand that they’re being recruited into a wink-nod enterprise. They ask reasonable questions, but are met with paranoid responses and prompts to be less open and more secretive, which only accents the paranoia among those who know there actually is something to be paranoid about — chiefly, that virtually all autosurfs operate as Ponzi schemes and that the government could shut them down without warning at any moment.

One AVG member instructed “international” members of AVG to insert “NA” in a debit-card application when prompted to supply a Social Security number, an instruction that only heightens concerns about money-laundering and wire fraud.

A triumphant AVG announcement about a new debit card the surf intends to offer was met with a thud when some members found out later that the card came with a $30 fee. Loyalists, however, said members should embrace the fee because it creates a new profit center for the company. Other members are complaining that at least one of AVG’s debit cards seems to limit withdrawals to $100.

AVG promoters, meanwhile, continue to lean heavily on exclamation points — rather than straightforward speech — to make their case for the company. An announcement about an AVG conference call was accompanied by three exclamation points:

“Join Us For Exciting Updates!!!”

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37 Responses to “Is It A ‘Ghost?’ Top 5 Reasons To Avoid AdViewGlobal”

  1. No need to read another story but this, it says all that is needed.

    BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO !!!

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  2. Patrick,

    If you wake up one day and see exclamation points planted all over your front yard, it wasn’t me!!!

    You sure got a thing about them. You’d be quite the task master in English class.

    dB

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  3. Hmmm…? I guess you haven’t seen what’s going on at AVGA? http://newsblaze.com/story/2009053121020300008.pnw/topstory.html

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  4. Hi dirty_bird,

    dirty_bird: If you wake up one day and see exclamation points planted all over your front yard, it wasn’t me!!!

    Watching the MegaLido promos shortly after the demise of ASD was what led to my “exclamation-point thing.” :-)

    I saw a promo with nine slammers in the first 21 words, and then I strated to pay attention to other surf promos. I noticed that they often used exclamation points to substitute for genuine thought.

    At one time on Surf’s Up, all the stories at the top of the page were about Andy — and all the headlines ended with an exclamation point.

    I was waiting for “Andy Blows His Nose!!!” — but it never materialized.

    Patrick

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  5. CORRECTION,

    CORRECTION: Hmmm…? I guess you haven’t seen what’s going on at AVGA?

    I see that AVG didn’t identify any of the “highly recognized Internet Marketing Professionals and industry experts” or the “best-of-class Internet Marketing Professionals” it cites in the news release.

    Perhaps it should quote Shad Foss, who told the troops that $5,000 with AVG turned into $15,000 “instantly!” AVG might want to point viewers to the information about Shad from the CEP Ponzi scheme.

    And I see AVG claims to own “the world’s largest viewing and testing platforms” and that members “[s]hare in the benefits of their results-driven PR and Marketing team.”

    If this vague, unpolished news release is an example of what members can expect, they’re apt to be disappointed.

    Patrick

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  6. Correction, I couldn’t agree more with Patrick. Now AVGA has sent out a press release, they are trying to draw a great deal more attention to their “private association”. That means that they are inviting even more scrutiny into their operations.

    For a business which is based on a model that is illegal in the US, headed up by the Bowdoin/Harris family, it seems to suggest an increase in greed that borders on desperation, combined with one of the greatest examples of stupidity we have seen since the demise of ASD.

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  7. Quick note:

    Some of the AVG troops already are trying to plant the seed that Forbes magazine is endorsing AVG.

    What’s really going on is that AVG issued a news release through PR Newswire, and some subscribers to PR Newswire — such as Forbes — published the feed.

    Patrick

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  8. Please be patient Patrick. Investigate for sure, but don’t condemn just yet. Give it time. Obviously Forbes picked up the press release. Who said foForbes endorsed anything? This is the real deal and the names are well know…be patient. When you you begin sentences with “it seems” Alycia your not really sure, are you? This may be the one surfing company that gets it right. Wouldn’t that be refreshing?

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  9. CORRECTION!,

    Of course I have published several legal, sustainable business models for autosurfs/manual surfs, so it is not tough to get it right, nor is it a big secret HOW to get it right. It would be refreshing if AVG got it right, but at the moment they are hiding 100% of everything that it would take to make it legal and sustainable, and you, my evasive friend, continue to NEVER answer any of the simple questions I ask of you……. will you at least answer THIS even simpler question:

    Will you ever answer the simple questions I have posed? Yes or No?

    A refresher — I asked you about the existence of substantial external revenue for AVG (with data, required for sustainablity) and about whether or not old members get paid with new member money (must avoid in order to avoid the Ponzi problem). Nary a peep from you on these…….so I doubt you will sway undecided/unbiased readers with your total lack of information (except of course your “have patience” mantra, same as the ASD Ponzi mantra….)

    CORRECTION: …… This may be the one surfing company that gets it right. Wouldn’t that be refreshing?

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  10. From the “press release”

    Access to expert Internet marketers for a professional review and offer a success blueprint for their online business

    Do these “expert Internet marketers(sic?)” include the likes of Johneric Stensrud? This “expert” chooses these as his top four picks for Social Advertising Networks:
    AV Global Association – run by the same scammers behind ASD
    AdVentures4u – haven’t look at this. It must be a scam, it’s advertised on MMG and talkgold.
    Ad Gate World – ASD spin off. Is it still alive?
    Noobing – ASD spin off. Now dead.

    Johneric Stensrud also lists other obvious ponzi schemes as “Passive Income Opportunities”. “Expert Internet marketers” is another way of saying ponzi pimp, or ponzi profiteer.

    Perhaps CORRECTION could list some of the other “Expert Internet marketers” so that they can be evaluated?

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  11. I know who they are, but the company will have to announce it for themselves. It is common knowledge among the private association members. Sorry…I’ve given you the PR, you’ll just have to wait and let AVGA announce the rest.

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  12. Tony,

    I don’t think the company involved here would appreciate being called names. they value their good name.

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  13. Tony,

    While I’m thinking of it, who the heck are you to be passing judgement on anybody. Figure it out for yourself. Man, the nerve of you people!

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  14. “Good name”. Yes, very funny. What part of being an ASD spin-off, run by people with strong connections with an illegal enterprise, promoted by people who made various threats to government employees, promoted by people who often have promoted or have been involved with dubious schemes, what part of that gives them a “good name”?

    This company is yet another obvious ponzi scheme being promoted by those involved with previous ponzi schemes. How many of the “expert Internet marketers” were involved with 12 Daily Pro, like Andy was? How many were involved with CEP?

    Is Donn Jackson one of the “experts”? He promotes 8 dubious schemes, including ADVG. How about Larry Saenger, also promotes monavie, a MLM favourite?

    Or how about this one:
    http://myhelpinghandup.com/soundadvice/
    Does this phrase sound familiar?

    If you do not have a product or service to advertise then go to [scam site removed] an join as an affiliate.

    Not having a product or service to advertise was one of the things mentioned in the ASD court documents, and yet, with a nod & wink, you can still “advertise” ADVG and the other ponzi ASD spin offs.

    “Good name”. Thanks for the laugh.

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  15. CORRECTION!: While I’m thinking of it, who the heck are you to be passing judgement on anybody. Figure it out for yourself. Man, the nerve of you people!

    I think this is an example of smoke-&-mirrors. By sounding indignant, CORRECTION is attempting to give ADVG a degree of legitimacy. “ADVG must be real because they are so powerful that people must not pass judgement” is the attempted hint.

    In reality, at best ADVG is a two-bit ponzi scheme attempting to milk more money out of the same punters that were fooled by ASD. At worse, ADVG is a sophisticated money laundering operation using complex wire transactions in an attempt to cover up fraud. Either way it is likely to be an illegal operation, run and/or promoted by serial ponzi promoters/operators/players.

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  16. CORRECTION,

    CORRECTION: Who said foForbes endorsed anything?

    I have seen two instances today in which AVG members traded on Forbes’ name to promote AVG. One of them included the use of Forbes’ logo; the other used Forbes’ name.

    This, of course, is the exact same kind of excess that got ASD in trouble, and it just so happens that both Forbes’ examples cited above were by ASD members who also promote AVG.

    It reminded me of the Google click-fraud caper associated with ASD promoters — you know, the one in which promoters said Google had entered into a “partnership” with ASD. The promo went on to instruct viewers to click on Google ads so ASD could earn fees of up to $5 per click.

    Patrick

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  17. My former sponsors,who have been physically and legally threatened from their down lines losses from asd, tried briefly to get me to join avg. they are desperately trying to recoup losses with avg. they know it is one of the same. nice try CORRECTION.

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  18. Patrick..past is prologue. It’s a new day. However, I’m this close / to dropping names regarding the “experts” working with AVGA. But we are a private association. They really are legit. At least my research suggests that. I hope your readers can find out for themselves who they are and who they work with and all that. It’s a great to be associated with such people.

    Honestly, I’d think someone here would already know what is happening inside AVGA. Isn’t that what this article is all about? Why to avoid the “mythical” AVGA. Implying to your adoring, cult-like followers that AVGA is not real. You have all the answers…at least your loyal band of charmed readers think so. They quote you almost daily.

    Who am I to be indignant? There are no smoke and mirrors. I’m just tired of this constant negative bashing. I think the marketplace, and no one else will decide the future of AVGA. And that is as it should be. I just came here to announce the press release. Then the bashing started. Read the release again and I’ve done what I came here to do. Then I’m gone!

    Finally, if some idiot marketer did link AVGA to Forbes can you please publish it here like you did the FDIC insured idiocy. Otherwise it is hearsay. You don’t stand for hearsay written about you. Why should AVGA accept it? I have no doubt that over-zealous, moronic, non-company marketing happens. I think you should report them to AVGA compliance. AVGA is better off without that kind of rediculous behavior.

    It’s a new day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that a record..lol!!!

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  19. It is a new day and that is a record!! Go AVGA

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  20. Oh dear….and the beat goes on ….and on…and on.

    Correction:I didnt realise that Patrick had an adoring cult-like following! WOW!!! (that’s three Patrick) Take a bow Kiddo LOL

    What he does seem to have attracted though is a series of critical readers, many of whom are seriously concerned with the rise of financial fraud that is flooding the internet. That fraud affects all manner of internet work at home “businesses”, but is doing well, mainly due to the lack of “street wisdom” of many of its victims (oops sorry – members of the programmes).

    Targetting “victims” is particularly prevalent amongst the age group which was not brought up with a computer in their hands – the youngsters know that half the stuff on the web is pure crap.

    And your arguments in favor of AVGFA would be far more convincing if you including the normal basic information about the company that legitimate serious businesses are only too happy to provide, in order to attract new business – facts about AVGA. It is the shortage of factual data and the negative of its members to provide it that is causing all the negativity, not this or any other blog.

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  21. Alaycia,

    Well put…but I’m not making a case or trying to convince anyone. If Andy had another x number of million it would get to court again. I just pointed out the PR. I did get a litte rough with Patrick. I wish he was writing about something else. I like his writing. I’d read him everyday.

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  22. Alasycia,
    I must say you have a beautiful name. What does it mean?

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  23. alasyciaTargetting “victims” is particularly prevalent amongst the age group which was not brought up with a computer in their hands – the youngsters know that half the stuff on the web is pure crap.

    What does being young/old and being brought up with computers have to do with anything? Crap is crap is crap. Being old or at least past the first flush of youth doesn’t mean you cannot recognize a pile of crap when you see it, be it on the internet or anywhere else. It is patronizing in the extreme to suggest otherwise.

    It has nothing to do with age and everything to do with wanting something for nothing.

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  24. I know what Alasycia means in my language but I dare not translate for you.

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  25. CORRECTION! my evasive friend,

    Your lack of due diligence regarding the meaning of alasycia is stunning, but of course your due diligence on the AVG Ponzi is equally lacking and so the alasycia reference of course passes by someone like you.

    Those of us smart enough to see that the laws of mathematics will inevitably apply to AVG know full well it is a Ponzi scheme. You my friend, continue to post words without meaning. You are avoiding my questions continuously. No news there….. Smart move — us mathematical literates know full well you can’t actually answer the questions.

    Pistol knows full well the interpretation of alasycia, and he knows full well AVG is a Ponzi. In fact, he was the first one to comment as such on the Forbes link you so graciously posted (I was slow, but second). Thanks so much for the opportunity to post the truth re: AVG on Forbes. I am sure neither of us would have bothered to find the link without your help. You can sleep well for tonight at least that you have taken an inadvertant break from your life as a criminal to help prevent at least some from repeating the mistakes of the ASD victims…….

    CORRECTION: Alasycia,I must say you have a beautiful name. What does it mean?

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  26. For those without access to the avga forum the name of their new buisness partners it’s Syndicate Digital.

    http://www.syndicatedigital.com/

    Donna Rougeau, a regular poster on the avga forum mentions them on her website:

    http://www.yourimblueprint.com/about.html

    Continuing with the six degrees of digital separation, a google cache of the “MAI Team Members” page, linked from the MAI Masters Alliance International website lists Ms.Rougeau but the current page no longer does. But both versions of the team page list Mr. Elbert Goff and refer to him as “a founder in programs such as AVGA”.

    (Long link to google cache):

    http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:CWrQLFHJN5wJ:www.maisystems.biz/about.html+%22Syndicate+Digital%22+avga&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    The kettle is getting fishier.

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  27. No…the kettle is boiling with fresh ideas and outside income streams. And there are more on the way…wouldn’t you think? Isn’t that what you all deem necessary to sustain AVGA. Will anyone give AVGA credit for anything? There must be more to say about Syndicate Digital and Ms Rougeaux Glim…good stuff I mean?

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  28. I say we find out for sure who CORRECTION! is so when this thing collapses the Feds have her name and can go after her for promoting a wire fraud.

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  29. Sicilian…just in time…I need a glass of wine…and a nice goobagool!

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  30. CORRECTION,

    CORRECTION: if some idiot marketer did link AVGA to Forbes can you please publish it here like you did the FDIC insured idiocy. Otherwise it is hearsay.

    An email AVG itself sent out today reproduced the logos of Forbes, the Washington Business Journal and The Business Review.

    Story here:

    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/06/01/adviewglobal-promoters-trade-on-name-of-forbes-magazine-to-trumpet-surf-firm/

    There also are reports about people sending the Forbes’ link without the logo — and not explaining it’s a news release and not a Forbes’ story. AVG members easily could have sent the PR Newswire link, which is here:

    http://sev.prnewswire.com/advertising/20090601/FL2491901062009-1.html

    The reason people are paying close attention to this, of course, is because of what ASD promoters did with Google and the White House.

    CORRECTION: There are no smoke and mirrors. I’m just tired of this constant negative bashing. I think the marketplace, and no one else will decide the future of AVGA.

    “Association” structure. Tie to Pro Advocate Group. Ties to individuals associated with securities fraud. Business model frequently associated with Ponzi schemes. 250 percent matching bonuses. 200 percent matching promo advertised to end June 29 now will end June 5. Announcements signed “Management Team.” Banking problem. Wire problem. Canadian payment processing. Panamanian payment processing. Headquarters purportedly in Uruguay. Servers in Panama — but dateline in today’s vague news release says Tallahassee, which suggests AVG is U.S.domestic when it needs to be for PR Newswire

    And you say there are no “smoke and mirrors?”

    Today alone I’ve read that AVG has 20,000+ members, 17,000 members and 15,000 members — and the source for all three claims was AVG.

    CORRECTION: Why to avoid the “mythical” AVGA. Implying to your adoring, cult-like followers that AVGA is not real. You have all the answers…at least your loyal band of charmed readers think so. They quote you almost daily.

    Let’s see. AVG said it had a wire deal, but a company AVG claimed was involved in the transfers denied it had any business relationship with AVG. The company that denied the business relationship explained that it had discussed business with a separate company, and the separate company just happened to have a tie to AVG.

    I’m wondering, CORRECTION, if you’ve ever read up on wire fraud and money-laundering. Here’s one way crimes such as these occur.

    Company A (Ghost) can’t get a wire facility. So Company B (Shell, formal or informal), which can get a wire facility, collects money for the ghost and funnels it back.

    Perhaps you’ll find this link helpful:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering

    Patrick

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  31. CORRECTION,

    I have seen the same speech you are making in every scam that I have fought. The “who knows, it may be real” and “this is real, I’m making tons of money!!!” (sorry, Patrick) becomes, “you should have only invested what you could afford to lose” when these scams implode, like they always do.

    We are not only shooting fish in a barrel, we are inside the fish inside the barrel. It’s hard to miss, we just have to wait until this “program” collapses of it’s own weight or they get raided. It happens every time.

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  32. CORRECTION: I was wondering if a few of these “highly recognized Internet Marketing Professionals and industry experts” were some of these ASD promoter’s: Shad Foss (wonder how his restitution in the CEP case of $20,000 is coming along?), Mindy Bales (hmm wonder how her review of her BK filing is coming along), Faith Sloan (who has promoted every scam going), Robert Fava (convicted felon), [ref. to another party deleted by admin 6/3/09] was why they didn’t name names? Glad you like being in business with nice folks like this. Of course I shouldn’t leave out Terralynn, Kat, you and the other Barb, Mark Simmons, the unemployed Hobo to name just a few more of these “highly recognized Internet Marketing Professionals, and industry experts.” Amazing what constitutes an indusry expert nowadays isn’t it.

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