AdViewGlobal Promoter Says Prospects Can Bypass Company And Purchase Ad-Packs Directly From Sponsors To Ensure They Get Credited With 200 Percent Match Before Deadline
An AdViewGlobal (AVG) promoter has shared a strategy that potentially could cause a legal calamity for individual AVG promoters and members. The member posted his strategy on an AdViewGlobal forum set up by some Mods and members of the Pro-ASD Surf’s Up forum.
AVG, which purports to be headquartered in Uruguay and also is known as AVGA, launched a new website Monday, redefining itself as a full-fledged advertising company with a host of services. Within hours, the surf firm announced that a 200 percent, matching-bonus program would end June 5, not June 29 as originally advertised.
AVG prospects and existing members expressed concern that they would not be able to get their accounts credited with purchases or the bonus before the June 5 deadline. The new deadline shaved 24 days off the original deadline.
One AVG promoter, however, said there was a workaround by which established program sponsors could serve as a conduit for AVG.
Under the workaround, established sponsors could gather money from individual prospects, deposit it in the sponsors’ local banks and then send a check by overnight mail to international payment processors in Canada and Panama.
Alternatively, the sponsors could use their local bank’s wire facility to wire money to the processors, the promoter explained.
Once the offshore payment processors credited the sponsors’ accounts, the sponsors could transfer the money to AVG and use AVG’s internal system to transfer ad packs to the prospects’ accounts in the amounts they desired to purchase, ensuring that the matching bonuses also would be credited by the June 5 deadline.
“Many new members may or may not be able to become verified AND have their account funded in time to qualify for the match,” the promoter said. “So as a sponsor what you can do is bank wire or overnight your payment processor ([SolidTrustPay] or [StrictPay]).
“You are guarantee[d] to have it into your account by Friday. Once it hit[s] your account, log into backoffice and ‘Fund your AVGA account’. This will bring the money into your cash balance. Once it’s in your cash balance, then you can INSTANTLY transfer it to your members. Once money hits their account, they can make a purchase and “BAM” get[] the 200% match.
“You can have your members wire you their funds or whatever the 2 of you decide upon,” the promoter continued.
“Unless [there] is a direct wire to AVGA for funding, this is probably the best way that I can see that you can help all your present AND new members get the 200% match,” the promoter said.
Such an approach potentially brings many issues into play at the individual level, including mail fraud, wire fraud, money-laundering, tax evasion, selling unregistered securities and acting as a securities broker-dealer without a license.
Some members of AdSurfDaily, a Florida company accused of wire fraud, selling unregistered securities and operating a Ponzi scheme, also gathered money directly from prospects and used ASD’s internal system to transfer credits.
ASD’s internal laxity and inability to post purchases in timely fashion led to assertions that individual promoters could use the company to make tax-free side deals with prospects. If a promoter already was in “profit” and had a stockpile of ad-packs on the books, he or she could sell the ad-packs at a discount to prospects, transfer the ad-packs to prospects using ASD’s internal system and pocket the cash.
The prospects would “earn” at ASD’s advertised rate, even though they paid less than others for ad-packs by purchasing through sponsors and bypassing the company. Other ASD members who had paid full price through ASD would inherit the burden of paying for the discounted ad-packs and their full “earning” potential.
Collecting money from prospects and transferring ad-packs using AVG’s internal system may be problematic even if the ad-packs aren’t offered at a discount. The government views the autosurf business model as foundationally corrupt, and makes no secret that participants are subject to prosecution under securities, wire-fraud, mail-fraud, money-laundering and racketeering statutes.
HAHAHA, she called us “blind followers.”
That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all week…..
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I just read all 100 posts……….WOW.
Seems like our friend CORRECTION! is mad because you used the word “Ad Packs” MMMMMMMK so we’ll just change that to “page impressions” AND……………guess what? It’s still fraud and money laundering! Wowza
And on a serious note if you had any psychiatrist read these comments by CORRECTION! I’m sure their jaw would drop. Mine did. The insanity of it all is unreal. Scary that there are people this dumb in the world.
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I hope you’re driving potential future readers away Patrick, in a good way. If I google AVGA, your website is the second link, if I google Ad surf daily, your website shows up on page 3. If there is someone out there looking into AVGA, and they google the company, they are going to read your articles and get a complete education. I think, at least the ones who think like me, will read those articles, walk away and never look back again at AVGA, auto surfs and similar matters. You just lost a future reader, but you saved a potential victim (after reading your articles, if someone still got into AVGA I am not sure they could be called a victim))
When I looked into ASD last May, I had never heard the word auto surf. I googled ASD, Ad surf daily, Andy bowdoin, Andrew bowdoin, and read everything the BBB had to say. I looked through pages and pages of google searches, about 30 pages and never saw one article like yours. You may never know how many people you are impacting with your articles but I think it might be a lot. And it may be another reason why some, or at least one, is asking you to retract your article, because you are being effective.
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Patrick:
I was just wondering if your article might not have hit too close to home for CORRECTION’s obsession with this.
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Hi Saint Michael,
Thanks for your note.
Patrick
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Perhaps not like Patricks articles but nothing negative at all? Enough to at least raise a red flag or two?
Really? A google search for Bowdoin and ASD last May didn’t bring up any references at TG or MMG? Surprising, very surprising. They were being pimped there as early as 2006 Follows is the earliest negative post I could find at TG.
“11-19-2006, 05:36 AM
Re: Adsurfdaily – Adsurfdaily.com
yeah, a massive SCAM.
Stay away from this piece of crap. Jake from ASA is pimping this pile of dung on his latest newscast. BEWARE – SCAM SITE HERE.
Looks like a bunch of stupid old farts who got bored with sleazy MLM, and want to cash in on the quick bucks here..
this one should be moved right to the scam section…”
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Hi Lynn,
Here’s the thing: People following this story know that “page impressions” or “viewer impressions” = “ad-packs.”
And they know that “VIPs” = “rebates.”
Wordplay isn’t going to work, because its not about the naming conventions; it’s about using wires to sell unregistered securities.
But let’s take it down to a practical level:
CORRECTION would he hard-pressed to explain to a man on the street with ordinary intelligence — let alone an investigator who specializes in money-laundering — how the strategy outlined by the AVG promoter in the story above doesn’t start alarm bells ringing.
And that’s not even addressing the baseline issues of wire fraud and money-laundering present in surf schemes, as Entertained pointed out yesterday. What the sponsor described was a scheme within a scheme.
Moreover, CONCERNED would be hard-pressed to explain why no one at AVG or the Surf’s Up AVG forum seemed to be even remotely bothered by the sponsor’s post for three days — but because this Blog wrote about it, he is displeased.
Perhaps it’s because he considers the background on wire-fraud and money-laundering in the story to be “spin.” It doesn’t seem to bother him that those words don’t get mentioned on the cheerleading forums — not even after what happened to ASD and Bowdoin.
But let’s just say the sponsor was totally off-base, that the strategy was impossible to pull off within AVG. He apparently didn’t get the memo. He shared the strategy openly. Neither Mods nor members even questioned it, with the exception of member comments saying they wished AVG were less convoluted and complex.
Elements of convolution and complexity frequently are hallmarks of money-laundering, a fact that appears to sail over the heads of some AVG supporters.
Patrick
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Yeh, Pistol, clearly it was not a good google search. If I had known what an auto surf was, put that word in the search engine, if I had put the word scam in the search engine, just those 2 simple changes I think would have taken my life in a different direction. Too stupid in hindsight and too trusting of a colleague and friend, but much wiser now.
Anyway the point is that a simple search of Ad view global in the google search engine brings Patricks website up just second to the AVGA official website and I think that is remarkable, and I exoect, effective.
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oops, I mean, I expect, effective.
By the way, at the risk of proving my ignorance even more, what is TG and what is MMG and what is ASA?
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TG = Talk Gold forum; MMG = Money Maker Group Forum; ASA = ASA Global Opportunities (ASA for short) Forum. You can also see Scam.com Forum that provides a lot of information as well as these 3. There are more, but these will do for now.
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They are three forums whose owners and members blatantly pimp scams, much like some ning forums do. I would give you links, but unfortunately, due to complaints, when I post a link it causes Patrick extra work because he feels compelled to check it out and the post sometimes takes forever to appear. If at all.
BTW I am very surprised that google didn’t turn up anything on those forums as ASD, ad surf daily and Andy Bowdoin are all mentioned numerous times in long threads. Check ‘em out. TG is Talkgold, MMG is Moneymakergroup, I forget what ASA stands for. Ask Xavier, I believe he is familiar with the joint.
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Much as it grieves me to say so but after reading Patricks headline and what he reports the sponsor as saying carefully, I feel inclined to agree with CORRECTION when he/she says Patrick’s headline is misleading.
It doesn’t seem to me that the sponsor in question is suggesting that sponsors should give/sell members adpacks/page impressions from them (the sponsors) but rather a quick and easy way that they can help new members get funds available so that they can buy adpacks directly from AVGA thereby qualifying for the 200% thingy.
Now this may be itself illegal and a form of money laundering, I dunno but I don’t think it is as described by Patrick in his headline. So, at the risk of being tarred and feathered, I repeat, in this particular instance, I think CORRECTION was correct.
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Pistol,
Perhaps you missed my comment on this long ago. The Blog software “scores” each comment as a spam-prevention measure.
Comments that include multiple links often get flagged as spam. Sometimes a comment that includes a single link gets flagged as spam, depending on the absence or presence of other variables.
This Blog routinely gets dozens — and on some days hundreds — of real spam posts. Because of the factors mentioned above, legitimate posts sometimes get directed to the spam folder.
I go through the folder daily, trying to separate the wheat from the chaff, and it is time-consuming. From time to time, legitimate posts get lost because it’s easy to miss a legitimate post in all the spam or the volume of spam is so heavy I do a mass delete to keep things from backing up any more.
Try making individual comments with one link each to the forums that Saint Michael seeks info on.
Thanks.
Patrick
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On second thoughts, Patrick, I don’t think I should post those links. St Michael could visit one of those forums and see a programme that takes her fancy, sign up and get scammed. In that case I would feel responsible and would not want the thought that I had pointed a good Christian lady in the direction of a scam. It would weigh far too heavily on my conscience.
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Patrick,
Retract please!! Thank you Pistol.
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I know you said it all in jest Pistol, but none the less you don’t have to be concerned with me signing up for anything.
I think I have heard of those sites since my recent education in all things ponzi. It’s very possible I just missed them in the midst of all the promos for ASD that were on the web last year. I am glad Patrick is at the top of the page at this point. I hope it prevents others from being the fool I was.
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Entertained,
REAL BREAKING NEWS!!!!! AVGA is now selling complete corporate web services in the $30,000-$200,000 price range for companies of all sizes. AVGA members will be able to earn commisions as they sell these products to outside customers. And, profits from the sale of web services will help fund the Viewer Incentive Program with the outside income some believe to necessary to sustain the company. AVGA is a true advertising company and is expanding its services daily. More to come…
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Ever watched magician David Copperfield make an elephant or a car “disappear,” Correction ????
As you watched, could you “prove” the object didn’t really disappear, or did you just “know” it was a illusion ???? Were you left wondering where the car or elephant went, or wondering “how the h**l did he make it look like the elephant or car disappeared” ??
Depending on the skill of the magician, it was a very clever illusion, but an illusion, nonetheless.
Not being able to “prove” how it was done neither makes the observer stupid or the trick any more “real”
Rather, it is down to the skill and experience of the illusionist as to the degree of uncertainty left in the mind of the observer.
Hang around the “autosurf” scene long enough, as many of the posters here have done, and you’ll eventually be able to “know” with complete certainty, yet little actual physical “proof,” how clever the “magician” is, and that the “elephant” has not actually disappeared.
The job of the magician, after all, is to not only make things appear to happen, but to also disguise what really DID happen.
Substitute the words “autosurf owner” for “magician” and, hopefully, you’ll save some of your hard earned.
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CORRECTION!
That’s a great first step, I agree. Does AVG have actual significant revenue yet? Did they not start up as a Ponzi by paying old members w/new members’ money? Those are the next (and necessary) steps to legitimacy…..
If I wanted to run a legal company, I’d have STARTED with the corporate web services business…..
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Wait till corporations that are dumb enough to pay tose huge sums for “advertising” lose their asses when this thing collapses.
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Sounds just like ASD, desperately trying to become legitimate, right before the Feds froze Bowdoins bank accounts.
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It is what it is…the truth. Signature Digital has been doing business with large companies for years. They seem to believe in the future of AV Global Associates. They have tied their name a reputation to AVGA. Donna Rougeau is now a VP with AVGA. What happens next is just gonna play itself out. Can we agree on that?
Entertained,
To date no more than 40% has been paid on any existing Page Impressions. They are paying about 1/10 of a % daily on average. They are “actually” paying only what come is on any given day. So until they are paying more than 100% on any existing Page Impressions perhaps the black box has not come into play yet. It’s only been four months. You would know better than I. I’ll be happy to share more as it developes. Howevr, be prepared to see alot about AVGA through the PR circuit. S/D knows how to roll out a campaign and AVGA will do just fine without rogue marketing like Patrick misquoted above.
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See Sicilian, here’s the problem. You cannot read. Read what I said. We are not talking about advertising in the rotator. We will use the rotaotr to test websites and campaigns that are developed by S/D and then roller out to the rest of the Internet.. In the future don’t attack first, just read the words. Think before you speak. I’m done with you!
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Well unfortunately I’m not done ragging on your Wire Fraud PONZI scheme
If it’s such an upstanding legit company I would think they would have a legal counsel that would sue me for libel? Tell them to bring it on.
Is Garner still the counsel? Or wait, it’s Friday……that’s meat lovers day at the Golden Corral….
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Why scratch a pimple. It only makes it worse.
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Goodbye all…
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Good riddance.
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CORRECTION!,
The Black Box model concerns the integral over time of the cash flows, not instantaneous, or short-term views. At a granular level, even the largest, most profitable, and legal companies can be instantaneously showing a loss (for example, payday….).
I am underwhelmed by Rougeau’s online resume’. My marketing pedigree is far better, and yet I’m a techie.
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Pistol,
I don’t think you’re far off the mark, but in any case it would be the first time COORECTION! has been, in fact, close to CORRECT!
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C’mon Martin,
CORRECTION! has served a higher purpose here — he has (unwittingly) increased the # of page hits likely with Google and other engine, which will in turn educate more people about Ponzi schemes like AVG. He’s also provided the Forbes link, so warnings could be posted there as well…..
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So correction you admit that AVG is nothing more than a pimple? I would agree. And people like you, Bowdoin, Harris, Busby and the rest of those muppets are nothing but puss.
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You are absolutely right, Entertained.
CORRECTION! is actually a blessing in disguise.
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