Members Say AdViewGlobal Problems Are Mounting

UPDATED 11:07 A.M. EDT (U.S.A.) AdViewGlobal (AVG) members have asked the company to produce a photograph of the company’s purported headquarters building in Uruguay. Meanwhile, members are complaining about slow payouts or no payouts from the autosurf and requesting photographs of the company’s management team.

At the same time, they are complaining about a lack of communication from the company, which purports to be headquartered in Uruguay but recently issued a news release with a dateline of Tallahassee, Fla.

As tensions build, AVG members say they are being left in the dark. And they question why queries do not get answered and why the surf’s payout rate is so “low.”

Although some promoters have suggested the company is conducting an internal “audit” to determine how much fraud occurred within the system because of misuse of a member-to-member cash button, the company itself provided the button.

How the company will determine what constitutes fraud is unclear. Some members acquired millions of page impressions by taking advantage of 200 percent — and even 250 percent — matching-bonus programs that ran virtually continuously for months.

In May, AVG announced a deal that permitted members to wire money to an offshore bank to acquire page impressions (ad-packs). Within days, however, one of the companies AVG identified as a facilitator of the wire transfers denied it had any business relationship with AVG and said it believed it had been targeted in a scam.

AVG withdrew the announcement after the company issued the denial, which raised the prospect that AVG had attempted to route money to itself by using the account of a separate company located in Florida.

A debit card that costs $30 — and permits people to pay AVG for “advertising” but not to withdraw “earnings” — also has led to questions. Members said the company was selling the debit card through PayPal, even though PayPal’s Acceptable Use Policy expressly forbids the company’s services to be used for pyramid schemes and Ponzi schemes.

The company that provides the debit card, Secure Cash Network Inc. (SCN), says in its Terms of Service that the card cannot be used for the purchase of illegal products and services. Many jurisdictions consider the autosurf business model to be illegal, and the U.S. government has successfully prosecuted a number of surf firms in recent years.

It is unclear if AVG has its own PayPal account or if a third-party account is being used to collect the money for the debit card, with the money somehow routed to AVG later. The utility of the debit card itself also is in question, since SCN says the card cannot be used to purchase illegal products or services.

More than 70 percent of AVG’s web traffic originates in the United States, according to one web service.

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107 Responses to “Members Say AdViewGlobal Problems Are Mounting”

  1. ….the good news is the audit for fraud in AVG won’t take long or cost much. 100% of their activities are fraud. Good luck AVG members, the math says you’re not getting your money back, and this one was identified as a Ponzi scheme MONTHS before they even launched. If you joined, well, you should have taken a page from the ASD book and saved your $$$. The information was readily available….

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  2. Some of the cheerleaders are finally starting to openly question the secrecy and that the company is not keeping them informed like they had been promised.
    I sure would like to hear from “Correction” about now….or is it truly Joe L.?

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  3. This is awesome! It’s almost over and done. It even appears the “unemployablehobo” Mark Simmons, has moved on to other marketing scams. How do these people sleep at night?

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  4. AVG is certainly following the script to a “T” up until this point. I am just waiting for the announcement that a) some evil person did something bad or b) the audit was successfully completed with no wrong doing discovered but, oops, a fire ruined all the servers, including backups, so they a have to recreate all the data which should only take a few months.

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  5. Hi dirty_bird,

    dirty_bird: I am just waiting for the announcement that a) some evil person did something bad or b) the audit was successfully completed with no wrong doing discovered but, oops, a fire ruined all the servers, including backups, so they a have to recreate all the data which should only take a few months.

    The early spin is that rebates aren’t guaranteed, so no one has the right to complain.

    People are complaining, though, because they joined AVG for the rebates. AVG members recently complained about a 0 percent payout rate, and rates fractionally above zero.

    Regardless, a recent AVG promo said people could expect to get back their ad spend, plus 10 percent in six months, even though the math shows that AVG has to pay .48 percent daily for 210 days for people to break even, as Pat Dunn points out.

    So, the messages are at odds with themselves — especially since promoters now say it is the duty of other promoters to sell new memberships so AVG can raise the daily payout rate.

    In other words, if members bring new money into AVG, it will be used to pay old members — a Ponzi scheme.

    As you point out, though, a server disaster can never be ruled out, if the current mixed messages fail to resonate with the troops.

    Patrick

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  6. admin: Hi dirty_bird,

    dirty_bird: I am just waiting for the announcement that a) some evil person did something bad or b) the audit was successfully completed with no wrong doing discovered but, oops, a fire ruined all the servers, including backups, so they a have to recreate all the data which should only take a few months.

    The early spin is that rebates aren’t guaranteed, so no one has the right to complain.People are complaining, though, because they joined AVG for the rebates. AVG members recently complained about a 0 percent payout rate, and rates fractionally above zero.Regardless, a recent AVG promo said people could expect to get back their ad spend, plus 10 percent in six months, even though the math shows that AVG has to pay .48 percent daily for 210 days for people to break even, as Pat Dunn points out.So, the messages are at odds with themselves — especially since promoters now say it is the duty of other promoters to sell new memberships so AVG can raise the daily payout rate.In other words, if members bring new money into AVG, it will be used to pay old members — a Ponzi scheme.As you point out, though, a server disaster can never be ruled out, if the current mixed messages fail to resonate with the troops.
    Patrick

    Regardless of all the “not guaranteed” (il)legalese that the promoters resort to when the payouts inevitably peter out, I have yet to see a program that has not been “hacked” according to the admins. Once the program has been hacked, there is usually a server issue such as a fire or some other natural disaster which following in the ensuing months.

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  7. ^^ “following” should be follows….sorry.

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  8. Hi d_b,

    dirty_bird: Regardless of all the “not guaranteed” (il)legalese that the promoters resort to when the payouts inevitably peter out, I have yet to see a program that has not been “hacked” according to the admins. Once the program has been hacked, there is usually a server issue such as a fire or some other natural disaster which following in the ensuing months.

    Tragic illnesses, long-term travel to attend funerals and such, too.

    Right now, some of the prominent cheerleaders are trying to have it both ways: When members inquire about their rebates, they are scolded and reminded that AVG is an ad company, not an investment company, and rebates aren’t guaranteed.

    Another way to look at “rebates aren’t guaranteed,” of course, is that the company gets to keep 100 percent of the revenue pool — while simultaneously trying to figure out how to motivate the troops to go out and recruit more troops for a company that licenses itself to keep 100 percent of the revenue pool.

    AVG members, metaphorically, clearly are worried right now that what they’re seeing is the fire BEFORE the fire you described.

    Thanks for the notes.

    Patrick

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  9. It certainly looks as if the natives are restless. They are now calling it “our company” and suggesting that they have the right to know what is going on. They are questioning the efficiency of the management and some are saying that they are tired of excuses for late cash outs, and other broken promises.

    The point has been made that they joined “90%” for the VIP (rebates) and that noone should criticize or tell them off if they complain about them (or the lack of them)

    The irony is that some of these complainers are the same people who damned some of the writers on this blog to h*ll for even suggesting that AVGA was not such a good idea and that it would soon run into to difficulties.

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  10. admin: Tragic illnesses, long-term travel to attend funerals and such, too.

    Almost correct.
    Terralynn~ModSquad said:

    The staff is working really hard right now.
    We are just coming off of Fathers Day Weekend.
    Some of the staff have families and they all deserve a to take a couple of days off.

    The new affiliate program is about to roll out.
    There are quite a few new programs that are going to be announced this week.
    We did training webinars and Q&A’s almost every day last week and we will begin again as soon as Donna gets back in place – Her father is very ill.

    Yesterday was incredibly busy for everyone.

    So yes, the illness excuse was used, right on cue. And I guess that all business take a few days off after Fathers Day, right?

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  11. OTOH, that is the only way they can raise the payout rate…..

    …….So, the messages are at odds with themselves — especially since promoters now say it is the duty of other promoters to sell new memberships so AVG can raise the daily payout rate.In other words, if members bring new money into AVG, it will be used to pay old members — a Ponzi scheme.As you point out, though, a server disaster can never be ruled out, if the current mixed messages fail to resonate with the troops. Patrick

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  12. Hi Entertained,

    Entertained: OTOH, that is the only way they can raise the payout rate…..

    Some members want to limit the ad-pack ceiling to 1 million; others say 250,000. Members said AVG was considering a 250,000 ceiling in which excess page impressions held by members who already owned more than 250,000 would be taken off the books for 30 days and the 250,000 ceiling and redistribution scheme enforced by fiat.

    My thinking on this is that toying with the ceiling in a bid to increase the daily payout rate would create only the mirage of a higher payout rate — after all, it’s not like the page impressions taken off the books and the liabilities associated with them can disappear.

    Or can they?

    One of the earliest stories we did about AVG was about a promoter’s claim the company was on track to be a $1 billion company. The claim appears to have been overambitious.

    If large sums already have been paid to insiders and founders and helped reduce the available cash to a sum that permits the company to pay 0 percent or a fraction above 0 percent, perhaps some of the founders and insiders would be willing to return money they’ve already been paid in a bid to prop up the daily payout rate and save the company.

    My reading of “rebates aren’t guaranteed” is that AVG gets to keep at least 50 percent of revenue no matter what. I’m wondering if the portion not used to pay the hosting bills and other expenses also could be returned to the pool.

    Or maybe it’s already being used.

    Patrick

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  13. My reading of “rebates aren’t guaranteed” is that AVG gets to keep at least 50 percent of revenue no matter what. I’m wondering if the portion not used to pay the hosting bills and other expenses also could be returned to the pool.

    Now, now, Patrick, what on earth would make us thing that they would do anything else? It is a legal, and ethical business.

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  14. Is AVG in a “death spiral”?

    In the insurance industry, in which I was employed for many decades, “death spiral” is a term used to describe a group medical insurance plan whose rates start increasing rapidly as a result of escalating claims among the covered members of the group.

    It results in a situation in which healthy people change to other – lower cost – policies, leaving the people with health problems behind. Those people are locked in because their pre-existing medical conditions can keep them from qualifying for new insurance elsewhere.

    The spiral works as follows: Increased premiums = healthy people leaving = higher rates for those left behind = more healthy people leaving = higher rates, and so on. The “death” occurs when the carrier decides to cancel the group policy because it has become unmarketable.

    AVG may have reached its own version of a “death spiral”. Low rebates = few new members’ investment = low rebates = few new members’ dollars = low rebates and so on, until the “death” occurs. Short of something extraordinary happening soon, it looks like AVG may be close to the end.

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  15. That Terralynn is probably one of the dumbest people on the planet. It’s scary that there are people like that out there…

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  16. Tony H:

    admin: Tragic illnesses, long-term travel to attend funerals and such, too.

    Almost correct.
    Terralynn~ModSquad said:
    So yes, the illness excuse was used, right on cue. And I guess that all business take a few days off after Fathers Day, right?

    LOL…I had to backspace to get rid of the death/illness excuse in my original post because I was going to mention it. But it looks like they have that part down.

    Dang, I don’t get Father’s Day week off. I must be missing out.

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  17. Hi Pat,

    Pat Dunn: AVG may have reached its own version of a “death spiral”. Low rebates = few new members’ investment = low rebates = few new members’ dollars = low rebates and so on, until the “death” occurs.

    This economical summary encapsulates the fears being expressed by AVG members.

    Others, though, describe the situation as “growing pains.”

    It will be interesting to see how AVG addresses the issue of internal fraud at the hands of members, considering AVG provided the tools for the purported fraud to occur.

    AVG has a habit of blaming things on members: Members, for example, caused the banking suspension in March by wiring too many transactions in excess of $9,500, according to AVG’s “Management Team” announcement at the time.

    And members cause problems when they ask questions in forums, according to some of the prominent promoters. It’s best, they say, to rely on the environment of secrecy provided by the “association.”

    The problem is that AVG can’t control the members’ thoughts and feelings, including the thoughts and feelings of members who don’t understand the wink-nod nature of the proposition.

    Not even a “private association” can legislate the human heart or stop the human brain’s thirst for knowledge.

    Patrick

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  18. What is truly amazing to me in reading all the posts regarding the low rebates/payouts, I have yet to hear one word about how this purchasing advertising, not an investment, has had any impact on the business they claimed they were buying this advertising, not an investment, for in the first place.

    If I was truly running a business, and I had truly bought advertising from AVGA, and that is all, I would be either praising the increased business from my advertising, or I would be complaining about the lack of increased business generated by my advertising with AVGA. The mere fact they are only talking about the low rebates/payouts from their involvement proves this is not about advertising; but participating in an investment. It is amazing to me that they can’t even see what they are saying is proving it is not about advertising but investing.

    Wouldn’t it be interesting to know just how many of these members of AVGA actually had a business they were supposedly advertising? It is no different than ASD, and besides, I thought this was being run by “PROFESSIONAL” that knew what they were doing, and had resolved all the problems associated with ASD. Yeah right.

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  19. Hi Lynn,

    Lynndel Edgington: I have yet to hear one word about how this purchasing advertising, not an investment, has had any impact on the business they claimed they were buying this advertising, not an investment, for in the first place.

    AVG’s recent promo said members could expect to achieve a 37 percent conversion rate.

    So, as pointed out earlier, a doughnut priced free and a doughnut priced at $10,000 each could expect the same result.

    With no targeting.

    And it would happen repeatedly among the same limited universe of 20,000 or so members, including scads of “free” members.

    Every 10,000 page views would result in 3,700 conversions — for the free doughnut, and the one priced at $10,000, in this universe of 20,000 or so surfers.

    Patrick

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  20. Last year all the ASD defenders claimed how much more traffic their websites were gettting………..but the traffic was just some schmuck clicking through the sites, not really looking for anything in particular.

    People actually wired $9,500 to AVG? Or excess of that? Pure insanity.

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  21. I totaly agree. $9,500.00!! That is lunatic. Especialy the way the economy is now. But thats not what bothers me, its the fact that they WIRED IT OUT OF THE UNITED STATES! I do understand that even though the US can seize funds, however someday under the mercy of the constitution you will get it back. But off-shore, KISS IT BYE, BYE… Its like parking your biked unlocked out side in the middle of the street, SOMEONES GUNNA TAKE it.

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  22. It is amazing how you people EAT YOUR OWN, give AVGA 2 weeks to accomodate the changes and then report here. At this stage we have a business with multiple revenue streams on the new website, we have a business that sells ecommerce products and services then rewards those who participate in the internet business viewing platform with a revenue share. Dont look further than this, give it 2 weeks for some further development then we can reassess the situation. This is not an AUTOSURF it ceased to become that when the extra revenue streams were created. Allow a bit more time for it to cultivate. The concept is in the right hands a genuine e commerce specialist, not a network marketer set upon short term gains for others pain. AVGA IS BREAKING OUT OF THE NETWORK MARKETING INDUSTRY AND ENTERING THE REAL BUSINESS WORLD, A TIDY UP IS REQUIRED TO PROCEED, GOOD TO SEE CALM HEADS PREVAIL AND PATRICK YOU ARE A PERVEYOR OF GOSSIP INCAPABLE OF ANY POSITIVE PERSPECTIVE, YOU NEED TO GET OUT OF THE INDUSTRY, THE GRUBBY NETWORK MARKETING INDUSTRY. Go Donna R rescue us from the grubby industry that avga started in and propell us into the real business world of ecommerce and affiliate marketing, not motivated by gosip and panic. We will all have a duplicate affiliate site to promote and bring business into avga and subsequently more revenue and profit to share. Either way buy page impressions or not in the viewing platform those who realise the vision will share in the profit. There will be income from 80 plus transaction types to share. GIVE IT A CHANCE , CHANGE YOUR PERSPECTIVE, buy the way i have sold 20 or so toothbrushes from my internet business in the viewing platform, big deal you might say well it does show people buy from the process. So, 1/ Purchases from the viewers on my website. 2 / Multiple ecommerce products for sale on an affilate website. I am prepared for the clean up and next level. WELL DONE AVGA. CHANGE YOUR PERSPECTIVE PEOPLE, BECOME BUSINESS PEOPLE NOT NETWORK MARKETING JUNCKIES. PLEASE !

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  23. David:

    Glad to see you have bought the hype. Here’s the reality. When AVG opened their doors, they had no outside revenue of any kind. This made it a Ponzi, just like ASD. I know you don’t want to believe that, but it is still the truth. The government doesn’t care that you got legal later, if in fact you truly have, the fact is you were not legal when you started business. Try and sugar-coat it all you want, but those are the hard facts.

    You also totally ignore all the dissension from AVGA’s own members, who do not paint the rosy picture you are trying to paint. Glad to see that you mastered rah-rah school 101. Which leads to the next question as to why only you seem to know this information and the member’s don’t? Kind of strange for such a successful business operation you claim AVGA is don’t you think?

    If AVGA lasts through July it will be a miracle. The business is falling down around your ears, and you don’t even know it. Unhappy member’s, no bank wire solution that works, rebates absent or almost non-existent, extended viewing requirements, a debit card that you can only put money in and can’t get money out, excessive fees for the card and payment processors, and those are just for starters. Unless all the member’s who are saying these things are lying. Guess we need to ask which is the real AVGA? Your version or the member’s version? I think I already know the answer to the question, but thanks for sharing.

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  24. Not to change the subject, but am I the only one that wonders how someone who buys 9500 page impressions, with a 200% match, can ever get the actua hits delivered? Aside from the crazy “rebates” there is no way, mathematically, for AVGA to deliver the so called advertising of anyone who buys a certain number of “impressions”. The amount of clicks a participant has to generate in order to satisfy their daily viewing is fixed irregardless of of how many they bought, and if they bought more than a member must click on over there full term, than how do those hits get delivered? When someone buys advertising, they create two distinct liabilities for the company, one for the rebates, and another for the actual advertising. AVGA cannot deliver either.

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  25. Sicilian: People actually wired $9,500 to AVG? Or excess of that? Pure insanity.

    What makes it worse for AVG, “David” and the other members is, IF, as has been reported, suspicions have been raised by purported $9500+ transactions, then it’s already too late for AVG to attempt to “slip under the radar” by limiting future transactions.

    Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs) are mandatory. What’s more, they are automaticly generated.

    Anyone who is in any doubt as to the “facts” regarding the Bank Secrecy Act would do well to spend 15 minutes or so reading and fully comprehending the relevant Financial Crimes Financial Network (FinCEN) Q+A document: http://www.fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/reg_faqs.html

    They would then to do well asking themselves these questions:

    Firstly, “has there ever been an “autosurf” business which has successfully made the transition from “illegal” to “legal” status ???

    And, secondly, has there ever been such a business which has then been able to generate sufficient LEGAL income to fulfill “payout” liabilities accrued PRIOR to going legit ???

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  26. Good point Gregg,

    Some of the deficit is probably made up on clicks by the free members. Those viwers must be really valuable in terms of generating new sales for the “advertisers.”

    Gregg Evans: Not to change the subject, but am I the only one that wonders how someone who buys 9500 page impressions, with a 200% match, can ever get the actua hits delivered? Aside from the crazy “rebates” there is no way, mathematically, for AVGA to deliver the so called advertising of anyone who buys a certain number of “impressions”. The amount of clicks a participant has to generate in order to satisfy their daily viewing is fixed irregardless of of how many they bought, and if they bought more than a member must click on over there full term, than how do those hits get delivered? When someone buys advertising, they create two distinct liabilities for the company, one for the rebates, and another for the actual advertising. AVGA cannot deliver either.

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  27. David,

    CAPITAL LETTER do not constitute data. In addition to Lynn’s post about AVG being a Ponzi scheme the minute they opened their doors, it is highly questionable that they currently have outside revenue to any significant extent. Your credibility would soar if you could provide verified data on external revenue streams that are on the order of member ad pack purchases (actually, income streams would be better). Your hand-waving and caps won’t do — bring the data. Filks promoting Ponzi schemes always use the same line as you do (not that I am acusing you of such), they always say “give us a few more weeks/months, you’ll see, watch for the dramatic new changes and announcements, the server/software upgrade, the exciting new promotions, etc. It’s always a deception. Here’s your chance to break that 0 for 1000 streak — are you up to it? Can you bring the data? Thanks…..

    PS: I know what business people look like. They don’t promote Ponzi schemes…….

    David: It is amazing how you people EAT YOUR OWN, give AVGA 2 weeks to accomodate the changes and then report here. At this stage we have a business with multiple revenue streams on the new website, we have a business that sells ecommerce products and services then rewards those who participate in the internet business viewing platform with a revenue share. Dont look further than this, give it 2 weeks for some further development then we can reassess the situation. This is not an AUTOSURF it ceased to become that when the extra revenue streams were created. Allow a bit more time for it to cultivate. The concept is in the right hands a genuine e commerce specialist, not a network marketer set upon short term gains for others pain. AVGA IS BREAKING OUT OF THE NETWORK MARKETING INDUSTRY AND ENTERING THE REAL BUSINESS WORLD, A TIDY UP IS REQUIRED TO PROCEED, GOOD TO SEE CALM HEADS PREVAIL AND PATRICK YOU ARE A PERVEYOR OF GOSSIP INCAPABLE OF ANY POSITIVE PERSPECTIVE, YOU NEED TO GET OUT OF THE INDUSTRY, THE GRUBBY NETWORK MARKETING INDUSTRY. Go Donna R rescue us from the grubby industry that avga started in and propell us into the real business world of ecommerce and affiliate marketing, not motivated by gosip and panic. We will all have a duplicate affiliate site to promote and bring business into avga and subsequently more revenue and profit to share. Either way buy page impressions or not in the viewing platform those who realise the vision will share in the profit. There will be income from 80 plus transaction types to share. GIVE IT A CHANCE , CHANGE YOUR PERSPECTIVE, buy the way i have sold 20 or so toothbrushes from my internet business in the viewing platform, big deal you might say well it does show people buy from the process. So, 1/ Purchases from the viewers on my website. 2 / Multiple ecommerce products for sale on an affilate website. I am prepared for the clean up and next level. WELL DONE AVGA. CHANGE YOUR PERSPECTIVE PEOPLE, BECOME BUSINESS PEOPLE NOT NETWORK MARKETING JUNCKIES. PLEASE !

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  28. Entertained is exactly right. The “I’ll show you, just wait and see!” comments are just made out of desperation and anger.

    And AVG has ZERO (how ya like those caps?) sources of outside revenue. Do you think ANYONE in their right mind would “advertise” for the $20,000 to $150,000 they offer?

    Here’s what a company looking for advertising would do:

    1. Look for a real advertising company with references.
    2. Some how by dumb luck, stumble across “AVG.”
    3. Goole “AVG”
    4. Come to this site and read about the AVG fraud and see
    a mental midget by the name of “CORRECTION!!” defending
    this junk company.
    5. Be glad they are sane and not give any amount of money
    AVG.

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  29. David,

    David: This is not an AUTOSURF it ceased to become that when the extra revenue streams were created.

    You are confusing your own colleagues by saying things such as this. For one, you’re implying it was an autosurf before but stopped being one simply because it started to offer products for sale beyond “advertising.”

    That message is completely at odds with what the core membership of AVG was told. They were told AVG already had offsetting income streams in place and didn’t have to rely on money from new members.

    Offering products for sale is not a revenue stream. A revenue stream is when products actually sell. If AVGA actually were selling enough products the payout rate wouldn’t be so low.

    The reason AVG isn’t selling products in any kind of volume is customers who are looking for real advertising solutions know the rotator is bogus and is associated with Ponzi schemes. The rotator is appealing to only one subset of potential customers: People who want to participate in Ponzi schemes or who don’t understand Ponzi schemes. The vast majority of AVG’s current paid customer base joined it for the Ponzi quality or as a result of core ignorance of the very real legal issues, not the advertising quality.

    That’s why they are upset with the low VIPs. Many people thought they were joining ASD2. They were told Juan and Gary were involved. They were told Uruguay kept the SEC away. They were told the company was managed by professionals.

    The “professionals” put AVG in a box. Now, through shills, they are trying to blame the company’s missteps on members who don’t “get it.” Trouble is, members do “get it.” They want their VIPs and they don’t want to have to sell anything else to get them.

    People who understand how this works knew the 200-percent matches and the member-to-member button were going to blow up in AVG’s face. The smartest Ponzi players sucked the available wealth as soon as the opportunity to do so presented itself, and now the rank-and-file is holding the bag and growing increasingly resentful of the cheerleaders.

    Want to ask the “Management Team” a good question? Ask it why AVG is only now getting around to trying to erase the stain of what happened earlier by offering up some new products and services.

    It very much looks like AVG used traditional Ponzi shills to finance the launch, only to try to get clean later.

    Members can’t sell what AVG is offering on a mass scale because people in search of real advertising solutions won’t play the Ponzi game. They won’t associate their brands with it. Besides, they wonder why a company that offers all of these purported products and communications services ever would involve itself in the rotator business. The message AVG is trying to convey is impossibly at odds with itself.

    There is no reason to be in the rotator business if you can sell millions and millions of dollars of legitimate products and services.

    David: Go Donna R rescue us from the grubby industry that avga started in and propell us into the real business world of ecommerce and affiliate marketing, not motivated by gosip and panic. We will all have a duplicate affiliate site to promote and bring business into avga and subsequently more revenue and profit to share.

    If AVG hopes to do what you describe above, it’s going to have to eliminate the rotator at the risk of enraging the members who have provided virtually every penny of the revenue the company has generated to date.

    In other words, AVG will have to turn its back on the current membership base, to whom AVG owes massive liabilities.

    If AVG does this, it will find out quickly that “rebates aren’t guaranteed” doesn’t play in Peoria. “Rebates aren’t guaranteed” is utterly meaningless to the vast majority of AVG’s members. The only subset of members to which the phrase has any meaning at all is the group of founders and insiders — the people who have the most legal exposure.

    They will create enemies instantly of virtually everyone who joined for the VIPs — all potential complainants. They’ll turn on the company as sure as God makes little green apples. They’ll yell “Scam!” from the highest rooftops they can find.

    The AVG forum run by some of the Mods and members of Surf’s Up will be the least of AVG’s problems.

    Patrick

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  30. So Patrick, you wouldn’t wire a large sum of money to Uruguay to advertise your site? Haha

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  31. THEY LOWERED THE BOOM TODAY! NO CASH OUT FOR 30 DAYS…

    BREAKING NEWS IS THERE FOR ALL TO SEE….

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  32. Here it goes. lol The beginning of the end!

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  33. Maybe they will blame it on Donna….she left town with all the money! Haha!

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  34. Now I wouldn’t rush to judgment, as I am sure David will be back to straighten us all out. He will explain why all of this is smart business, and part of their overall strategic plan all along. They just need two more weeks and everyting will be solved.

    Never mind that one person calculated that it would take 88 years for them to get just their initial payment back at the rate rebates are being paid, and that was before the 30-day moratorium and 80/20 mandatory rule. Sounds like AVGA is having a massive cash problem to me.

    Another one is complaining that his advertising is not working at all. So much for AVGA being this great advertising medium as they claimed. Hmm, their investment is not working and their advertising is not working. Not one sale from all his advertising dollars he spent for his businesses. I may have to change my prediction to mid-July instead of the end of July.

    I bet they are shocked they don’t have a hundred thousand members, and raking in millions of dollars like ASD did at this time. I guess they didn’t know that sequel’s hardly ever do as good as the original. Sure glad this is being run by Professionals who know what they are doing. Why do I get the feeling this is like watching someone re-arranging deck chairs on the Titantic?

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  35. “Why do I get the feeling this is like watching someone re-arranging deck chairs on the Titantic?”
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  36. Well, at long last the AVGA mangement team has notified the members of all the things they are doing in hopes it will stop the unrestm low morale of the members, and the bleeding. The only question is it too little too late. It remains to be seen if they have enough cash to keep it afloat in spite of their “breaking news.”

    What was really telling is their acknowledgement they didn’t have the Professional management team in place they hyped everyone to believe they did initially. Adding people with the talent they need now will only work if they can remain afloat cash-wise. They also claim the management team will be named and their bio’s included. If they are these “Professional’s” as they claim, it makes one wonder why they would lend their name to an illegal enterprise trying to find a way to be legal. Time will soon tell.

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  37. THis email was forwarded to me…

    A message to all members of AVGA ~ A Private Members Forum

    Hi Everyone,

    We have a beautiful new AVGA Members Forum being added to the AVGA website.

    We will close this forum as soon as the new members forum is opened.

    I want to personally thank each and everyone of you for your participation and support here.

    The information coming out of AVGA seems very positive and I look forward to seeing you all in our new Forum later on today.

    Look for an AVGA email announcing the opening of the new AVGA Forum.

    Have a wonderful afternoon and thank you,

    Terralynn

    Visit AVGA ~ A Private Members Forum at: http://adviewglobal.ning.com

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  38. Maybe when they bring on that new team of experts they can actually publish their communications with proper English and grammar.

    It is remarkable and not a coincidence that they are taking the forum to a more private i.e. controllable position, at the same time they suspend cash outs.

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  39. Notice how CORRECTION!! is absent from the discussion. No retraction demands. LOL.

    It even appears that tubby Mark Simmons is no longer promoting this junk on his website.

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  40. Lynn,

    He must have a really, really bad ad structure on his pages. I am hearing that AVG has a 37% conversion rate on viewed ads, so it must be the fault of the “advertiser.” After all, guru David has sold 12, count ’em, TWELVE toothbrushes since he started his ad campaign. See, AVG advertising CAN yield results, if you know how to do it (right David?????).

    Lynndel Edgington: Now I wouldn’t rush to judgment, as I am sure David will be back to straighten us all out….. Another one is complaining that his advertising is not working at all. So much for AVGA being this great advertising medium as they claimed…..

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  41. Sicilian,

    Far, far from it, I think….. Where would you rank all the folks she recruited into her downline? Extra credit for ranking her first downline in ASD vs. her second downline in AVG (the latter group must be something special……) How about those who purchased her bogus “health products” on eBay and elsewhere?

    Sicilian: That Terralynn is probably one of the dumbest people on the planet. It’s scary that there are people like that out there…

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  42. Was just over on the “private” forum. Don’t really think that they will like that one either. Questions will most likely not get answered. Oops, I guess questions never really were answered on the old forum.
    But, from any of you that might have more legal knowledge, I really find it hard to believe that the forum is copyrighted. Sounds like they are just trying to calm down the troops by saying that it is now private and things will not be able to get posted here on Patricks site.
    Leads me to believe that quite a few of them come here to see what is being said about their golden child. Oh well, we can still get on and see what is being said when they hand out their popsicles to the kids.

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  43. Entertained:

    Well since AVGA said their conversion rate was 37% for all their advertising, I guess his ads sucked. That can be the only logical explanation. AVGA did say it was the only way you could not get a 37% conversion rate.

    This leads to another question. Why didn’t the AVGA management team tell him his ads sucked, and help him with changing them so he received their 37% conversion rate? So much for customer service. But I am sure David or CORRECTION will explain how this happened. Right guys?

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  44. Cathy G.: I really find it hard to believe that the forum is copyrighted.

    Members are now being forcibly educated on the differences between a “normal”(read ASD) fraud and a HYIP ponzi/autosurf “game” (read AVG)

    The “legitimate” fraudsters, AKA Bowdoin, Busby and co are long gone.

    AVG is, and always has been, in the hands of ever opportunist HYIP ponzi “playas”

    There is one Golden Rule when dealing with such characters:

    “Believe zip, zero, zilch, nil, nada, NOTHING of what they say”

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  45. They can legally claim a copyright, but unless they register the content (and pay the corresponding fees, which would have to be updated on the supposed infringement date) they cannot use that copyright in court, which pretty much makes it moot. Well, that would hold for a normal work, like a book etc… I’m not sure how you would determine the rights to a blog, which would be a work in progress. But still, unless they register the copyright, they can’t get damages awarded, and any quoting of snippets of the copyright material with commentary would still be permissible under fair use doctrine.
    Bottom line, if they think they can sue someone for cut and pasting from the board, they’re not gonna have an easy time getting anywhere. The right they have to their material ends where your right to comment on portions of it ends. A copyright does not protect the owner from being criticized for their material, it prevents someone else from stealing it for commercial gain.

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  46. can’t you just see it now ???

    “Well, Your Honour, there we are, innocently going about our business running a HYIP ponzi “autosurf” and along comes Patrick Pretty and steals our ideas”

    R-I-I-I-G-H-T.

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  47. buy the way i have sold 20 or so toothbrushes from my internet business in the viewing platform, big deal you might say well it does show people buy from the process.

    I wonder what kind of company pays 9,500$ or more to get an advertising return like that? LOL Even allowing for a lead time to get the ads established, this is VERY POOR. The 37% conversion rate is the funniest thing I have read. No advertising company would ever put their credibility at risk by making any kind statistical claims.

    Gregg’s point about the impossibility of even receiving the advertising paid for is well made. As with ASD there was NO benefit in paying more for the ad packs than the minimum necessary in order to receive enough credits for the rotator and the rest of the credits earned went unused and the ads unseen. With ASD, for 50$ or less, one received more than sufficient credits to show 5 sites all the tim. The same is true for AVGA, or even worse, as the membership level is so very much lower.

    This situation in itself destroys any argument made by autosurfs that they are selling advertising and not unregistered securities, as the majority of the “advertising” paid for is never seen.

    The arguments made by AVGA are very sad and totally unprofessional. David has admitted freely that the company started off with an illegal autosurf model in THE GRUBBY NETWORK MARKETING INDUSTRY. Equally it was crystal clear after the August raid that so did ASD, whatever their pretensions before.

    What David forgets to mention is the THE GRUBBY NETWORK MARKETING INDUSTRY is the way it is because of the people in it (and because most countries’ legislation have yet to catch up with this newish area of “business”)

    The real businesses that market on the internet and which are run by professionals don’t get into this “grey area” because they do run businesses with a product or service to sell and it requires work to make money. THE GRUBBY NETWORK MARKETING INDUSTRY is not, of course, interested in these companies as there is no way to make money “from home” doing nothing but recruiting other suckers and selling “air”

    It has already been pointed out that these real businesses wont touch closed advertising rotators with pay to click schemes as they cannot afford to risk their reputations on stuff that is tainted with illegality.

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  48. Copyright or not – the forum has gone – Taken down by the Owner.

    This conduct of AVGA is a further indication that they are hiding a lot because they have a lot to hide.

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  49. Right! I think they are trying to prevent the spread of negative news and comments, and mistakenlythink that a copyright can keep the information and postings private. Copyrighted material is in the public domain (as Gregg mentions, it has to be registered, which then makes it public). You cannot use others copyrighted material publicly (even with no intent on benefitting commercially — you cannot in principle rent a movie and show it on your outdoor theater to 300 people regardless of whether you charge those 300 or not). The damages for copyright infringement depend on the circumstances. Copying a message board entry elsewhere would have a near-zero level of damages. The copyright damages would NOT include damage to the supposed AVG business through the publishing of negative materials; they would only include damages caused by deprivation of the value of the copyrighted materials themselves — in other words, near zero. Not that the thieves running AVG would ever spend their own $$$$ on the attorney fees required to act on their supposed copyright, nor would any self-respecting attorney take the case.

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    Gregg Evans: They can legally claim a copyright, but unless they register the content (and pay the corresponding fees, which would have to be updated on the supposed infringement date) they cannot use that copyright in court, which pretty much makes it moot. Well, that would hold for a normal work, like a book etc… I’m not sure how you would determine the rights to a blog, which would be a work in progress. But still, unless they register the copyright, they can’t get damages awarded, and any quoting of snippets of the copyright material with commentary would still be permissible under fair use doctrine.Bottom line, if they think they can sue someone for cut and pasting from the board, they’re not gonna have an easy time getting anywhere. The right they have to their material ends where your right to comment on portions of it ends. A copyright does not protect the owner from being criticized for their material, it prevents someone else from stealing it for commercial gain.

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  50. David: AVGA IS BREAKING OUT OF THE NETWORK MARKETING INDUSTRY AND ENTERING THE REAL BUSINESS WORLD…

    I don’t know which one it is, just plain ignorance or really brazen, but AVGA or any likeness has nothing to do with the “NETWORK MARKETING INDUSTRY”.

    Real Network Marketing has real products & services, real customers benefiting from their purchase & use, is marketed more offline than online and has legislation enacted which regulates the industry.

    I think I have to chalk this up to David’s ignorance, which make the rest of what he says suspect as well.

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  51. I suspect by the Network Marketing Industry, David refers to the many “biz opps” on line and “work at home opps”, including many MLMs – that have nothing to do with real businesses which happen to do marketing of their products and services online.

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  52. AVGA Cash Card
    Posted 8 Hours Ago By John Alderdice
    One of my downline here in the UK has just received his Debit Card details – brilliant! He has been able to activate it and send a bank wire from his UK bank without any hassles – brilliant. But… I cannot see anywhere to use the card, if I go to purchase page impression – no card option, if I go to fund AVGA cash balance – no card option, am I missing something here??
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    Re: Cash card
    Posted 8 Hours Ago By Donna Rougeau
    I have sent your question in to our programmer and will you an answer for that LOL seems silly doesn’t it!

    Donna

    Well this was just taken off their “new Private Forum”.
    Looks like someone was able to wire money and they can’t even get their PI’s accounted for. Donna appears to be pretty comical about it. I would imagine that the person who wired the money isn’t laughing.

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  53. Sicilian: This is awesome!It’s almost over and done.It even appears the “unemployablehobo” Mark Simmons, has moved on to other marketing scams.How do these people sleep at night?

    Mark “Hobo” Simmons is doing a full court press to recruit people into Global Verge….a new scam just launching but a scam that has been around for 3 years and launched twice before by the same ‘players”. Hobo knows they are a scam but he has no problem about leading suckers down the garden path to be fleeced. People like Simmons need to be included in a RICO at some point because he represents the classical player promoting ongoing criminal enterprises versus legitimate network marketing.

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  54. alasycia: I suspect by the Network Marketing Industry, David refers to the many “biz opps” on line and “work at home opps”, including many MLMs – that have nothing to do with real businesses which happen to do marketing of their products and services online.

    Yes alasycia, this is my point. David’s ignorance (lack of knowledge and/or unawareness or his choice to selectively ignore) is the point I am making. Which makes it highly likely that the rest of his post is ignorant also.

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  55. THESE COMMENTS ARE MY OWN AS A SUPPORTER OF AVGA, MY OWN PERSPECTIVES AND VIEWS. MY OWN WORDS.

    Yes you are all entitled to your perspective, thats fine. I see a few things not clouded by the past ( Having lost 15k in ASD ). 1/ AVGA has multiple ecommerce products and services for sale ( see website ). 2/ I have had sales from the viewing platform. 3/ AVGA is making its members Affiliate Marketers of the website with unique links to promote the ecommerce products and services. ( To add to the revenue of the company and earn commissions from doing so. ) 4/ Page Impression Purchases continue to enable submission in the viewing platform. 5/ Viewers earn the right to share in all revenue streams created. 6/ There are valid reasons why delays are in place. 7/ A clean out Audit assists most entities in going forward.

    I am prepared to persist and assist AVGA to proceed further and give its members a viable and profitable opportunity going forward. Others can speculate but i for one am in full support and am patient enough to allow them the time after only 5 months of trading.

    Each to their own, but i see a future in this model.

    GOOD LUCK TO ALL IN THIS GLOBAL ECONOMY, BE POSITIVE ! I AM NOT IGNORANT JUST HOPEFULL. I APPRECIATE ALL PERSPECTIVES. I UNDERSTAND THE RISKS INVOLVED IN ALL START UP VENTURES AND BUSINESS MODELS. I BELIEVE THIS MODEL HAS MERIT AS WITH SOCIAL COMMUNITIES, AFFILIATE MARKETING, ECOMMERCE & ADVERTISING REVENUES.

    ALL GOOD FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

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  56. PS: I WONT BE POSTING ANY FURTHER COMMENTS HERE, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN WHO TRIES TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND I WILL LIVE BY MY OWN ACTIONS GOING FORWARD, PLEASE BE GENTLE. GOOD LUCK. LOL.

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  57. David,

    I am so happy that you are satisfied with your chosen profession, a life of crime and fraud. Good luck with that. Hope you can sleep at night with the damage you are doing. btw, it is rumored that folks that are serial Ponzi players won’t share in the restitution fund (and btw you clearly qualify, what with your ASD play and now a willing, gleeful entry into the AVG criminal enterprise. Based on your ASD experience you know full well AVG is a Ponzi — not that that’s a big secret…..) ASD and AVG victims everywhere are hoping that your new criminal pursuit causes you to lose out on the ASD restitution. Further, if you were at all an honest man, you would write a letter to AUSA Cowden and tell him you are an active promoter of AVG, and that you believe it is legal. You won’t though, since you’ve demonstrated no scruples thus far…..

    David: THESE COMMENTS ARE MY OWN AS A SUPPORTER OF AVGA, MY OWN PERSPECTIVES AND VIEWS. MY OWN WORDS. Yes you are all entitled to your perspective, thats fine. I see a few things not clouded by the past ( Having lost 15k in ASD ). 1/ AVGA has multiple ecommerce products and services for sale ( see website ). 2/ I have had sales from the viewing platform. 3/ AVGA is making its members Affiliate Marketers of the website with unique links to promote the ecommerce products and services. ( To add to the revenue of the company and earn commissions from doing so. ) 4/ Page Impression Purchases continue to enable submission in the viewing platform. 5/ Viewers earn the right to share in all revenue streams created. 6/ There are valid reasons why delays are in place. 7/ A clean out Audit assists most entities in going forward. I am prepared to persist and assist AVGA to proceed further and give its members a viable and profitable opportunity going forward. Others can speculate but i for one am in full support and am patient enough to allow them the time after only 5 months of trading. Each to their own, but i see a future in this model. GOOD LUCK TO ALL IN THIS GLOBAL ECONOMY, BE POSITIVE ! I AM NOT IGNORANT JUST HOPEFULL. I APPRECIATE ALL PERSPECTIVES. I UNDERSTAND THE RISKS INVOLVED IN ALL START UP VENTURES AND BUSINESS MODELS. I BELIEVE THIS MODEL HAS MERIT AS WITH SOCIAL COMMUNITIES, AFFILIATE MARKETING, ECOMMERCE & ADVERTISING REVENUES. ALL GOOD FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

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  58. PS: David, that is as gentle as I can be to someone who is clearly promoting a criminal enterprise. You should know better from your ASD experience, and based on your posts, you seem smart enough, so the only conclusion is that you have voluntarily chosen a life of crime. Perhaps I am wrong — renounce AVG and I’ll apologize, otherwise your actions in support of two Ponzi schemes serially mark you as a Ponzi Playa’

    David: PS: I WONT BE POSTING ANY FURTHER COMMENTS HERE, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN WHO TRIES TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND I WILL LIVE BY MY OWN ACTIONS GOING FORWARD, PLEASE BE GENTLE. GOOD LUCK. LOL.

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  59. One last thought…..you can live with your own actions going forward, but what about the lives you have damaged by your actions in AVG???? Can you live with that? Can they? Something to think about, my criminal friend…..but I don’t expect you will. Criminals by definition could not care less about their victims…..

    Entertained: PS: David, that is as gentle as I can be to someone who is clearly promoting a criminal enterprise. You should know better from your ASD experience, and based on your posts, you seem smart enough, so the only conclusion is that you have voluntarily chosen a life of crime. Perhaps I am wrong — renounce AVG and I’ll apologize, otherwise your actions in support of two Ponzi schemes serially mark you as a Ponzi Playa’

    David: PS: I WONT BE POSTING ANY FURTHER COMMENTS HERE, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN WHO TRIES TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND I WILL LIVE BY MY OWN ACTIONS GOING FORWARD, PLEASE BE GENTLE. GOOD LUCK. LOL.

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  60. WOW ! I have to respond after being called a criminal. Thats laughable. If someone chooses to join a business thats their choice . I am not promoting AVGA to others i am simply stating what i believe to be a fair go. How dare you call me a criminal, thats bizzare. Some of the motives in here warrant councelling. Yes people were hurt by ASD myself included, i flew to your country to join up in Florida, i have lost money and had to pay back a few friends as i personaly guaranteed them into ASD out of principal, i lost 30,000. Give me a break here, i am currently following avga strictly for myself at my own risk. Just back off with the ridiculous labeling.

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  61. PS: I have my name associated with this not an alias. F….. back off with the offensive labeling.

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  62. OK, fair enough. I’ll back off on the label, however, please supply me the proper label for someone who participates once, perhaps without their knowledge, in a criminal fraud activity (ASD), and then turns around and actively promotes a second, nearly identical illegal criminal activity (AVG). Perhaps in Australia such people are not criminals, but that’s what I was taught here. David, you are a willing participant and promoter in two nearly identical criminal endeavors — tell me, what then does that make you?

    David: WOW ! I have to respond after being called a criminal. Thats laughable. If someone chooses to join a business thats their choice . I am not promoting AVGA to others i am simply stating what i believe to be a fair go. How dare you call me a criminal, thats bizzare. Some of the motives in here warrant councelling. Yes people were hurt by ASD myself included, i flew to your country to join up in Florida, i have lost money and had to pay back a few friends as i personaly guaranteed them into ASD out of principal, i lost 30,000. Give me a break here, i am currently following avga strictly for myself at my own risk. Just back off with the ridiculous labeling.

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  63. You are assuming avga goes the same way as asd, are you in avga? Yes the internet is littered with ponzi, look at Ad Gate World and Biz Ad Splash instead, at least avga has created a website that sells 40 plus e commerce products and services, the viewing platform is a means of qualification to share in revenue but the purchase of page impressions is only 1 of 40 plus revenue streams. Take a step back deal with a few immediate facts, the program is cleaning up and taking stock at the moment. Members will be affiliate marketers in the website with duplicate sites selling the products on offer, if avga starts transacting in these 40 plus ecommerce products it will have legitimate alternative revenue streams,unlike asd. Stop calling me a crim and discuss the topic. Avga is not going anywhere, respond in discussion point i enjoy a reasonable debate. But please calling me a crim is down right nasty.

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  64. PS; I dont know if your are looking at the current facts but avga couldnt currently be further from asd as a business model. Foremost it has on sale on its website multiple e commerce products and services, asd failed to do this all along. It was a primary reason why it was declared a ponzi. I am happy to debate the facts here.

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  65. AVGA – 1/ not identical. 2/ still functioning and developing. 3/ not currently guilty of anything.

    IN AUSTRALIA AS IN USA PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE EXISTS, OUR ENGLISH HERITAGE TOOK CARE OF MOST OF THE LEGAL PRINCIPALS.

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  66. David: PS; I dont know if your are looking at the current facts but avga couldnt currently be further from asd as a business model. Foremost it has on sale on its website multiple e commerce products and services, asd failed to do this all along. It was a primary reason why it was declared a ponzi. I am happy to debate the facts here.

    David fu** these guys, they are idiots and you play right in to their hands

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  67. Yes, i have concluded the same Joe. I am out of here. Thanks for letting me know. The future will reveal, this is allready history. bye.

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  68. I sure hope this is a not a scam as I had hopes of getting other people to join. I have many friends that want to join and 2 that are ready to put in over $6000 but with all the problems I am afraid to push them ahead. It is a easy sell but my biggest question is WHY DOES AVGA NOT HAVE A REGULAR CREDIT CARD, VISA, MASTER CARD, ECT. THAT WE ALL CAN USE TO JOIN, BUY PAGE IMPRESSIONS, ECT. Not only would they get the money faster but new members would be up and running right away. Most people I talk to do not like the idea of signing up for this debut card or solid trust pay account. There are fees for using these cards and fees just to have them. For the little guy you do not make enough in the VIP daily earnings to recover these costs. I have tried to ask these questions on the conference calls but never get chosen. SO IF IT IS LIGET, WHY DO THEY NOT DO THIS ? I am hoping they can do something about this.

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  69. And yet, you still have yet to state one ‘fact’ or debunk anything posted here with tangible proof. Only vague statements on why you want to believe it is not.
    Why would a program have to go through a ‘cleaning up’ if it was legal to begin with? It has already operated as a ponzi….that’s how it got started so you are wrong and a criminal right there.

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  70. “Others can speculate but i for one am in full support and am patient enough to allow them the time after only 5 months of trading.”

    David, you are making the comment of “trading”. Does AVGA have a securities license?

    Also, if you are so firm in your belief that all is well in AVGA land, why are you not telling your friends and associates about this awesome opportunity and that all past sins from ASD have been rectified?

    Or might it be deep down you are just praying and hoping that you may be able to recover some of your losses from ASD.

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  71. David,

    My apologies if you are offended. I agree with you 100% wrt the internet scam/Ponzi schemes out there, and many posters here a serious students of the history and laws concerning those programs. Throw in 12DP, CEP, Noobing, and others as well. However, regardless of what AVG may claim to be today, even by your own admission in previous posts they are trying to clean up what used to be a Ponzi scheme — their behavior from Day 0 up until very near the present (and in the absence of any verifiable data wrt real, substantial revenue streams, into the present and into the future). You simply cannot erase the past criminal activities of AVG no matter what you want to think. You cannot “clean it up,” any more than a drug dealer can use his proceeds to open a legal pharmacy and say “never mind my past drug dealings, NOW my drug-selling business is legal.” The conclusion I would draw is that AVG at the very least WAS clearly an illegal Ponzi for virtually all of its life. You are an active, willing participant in this Ponzi and are promoting it, which is now the second illegal Ponzi scheme you have actively promoted when you should have known better after your ASD experience. Alasycia was actively promoting ASD, but when she learned the truth, she was HORRIFIED at what she had done. You on the other hand just moved on to the next illegal Ponzi scheme. You appear to be intelligent enough, and here is what I know about you that you may not know about yourself — you will someday realize that in fact what I am saying is true, and you may already know it. If you are a decent person, you too will be horrified, but you may also not be willing to admit it publicly, because to do so is to admit you were wrong. I have no problem with that — you are the one who will have to live with your conscience, and what you have done to your fraud victims. Some turn that energy to a positive force, serving as a spokesperson against Ponzi schemes (but not you). You may very well not have criminal intent in your own mind. However, you do have a solid track record of criminal behavior. If you were honest enough to rob people at gunpoint instead of defrauding them in ASD and now AVG, would that make you a criminal? At least you would be an honest one. Now, you are fooling yourself, but no one else. Maybe I am wrong though — maybe you have known all along that these programs are all scams and you want to be a Ponzi playa’ and get your money for nothin’….. yes or no?

    David: You are assuming avga goes the same way as asd, are you in avga? Yes the internet is littered with ponzi, look at Ad Gate World and Biz Ad Splash instead, at least avga has created a website that sells 40 plus e commerce products and services, the viewing platform is a means of qualification to share in revenue but the purchase of page impressions is only 1 of 40 plus revenue streams. Take a step back deal with a few immediate facts, the program is cleaning up and taking stock at the moment. Members will be affiliate marketers in the website with duplicate sites selling the products on offer, if avga starts transacting in these 40 plus ecommerce products it will have legitimate alternative revenue streams,unlike asd. Stop calling me a crim and discuss the topic. Avga is not going anywhere, respond in discussion point i enjoy a reasonable debate. But please calling me a crim is down right nasty.

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  72. Dennis,

    The simplest answer is the correct one. There is a preponderance of evidence that AVG is an illegal Ponzi scheme. With that perspective, all of your questions have crystal-clear answers. The insiders are diligently working hard to take your money and keep it. Their actions are illegal……

    Dennis: I sure hope this is a not a scam as I had hopes of getting other people to join. I have many friends that want to join and 2 that are ready to put in over $6000 but with all the problems I am afraid to push them ahead. It is a easy sell but my biggest question is WHY DOES AVGA NOT HAVE A REGULAR CREDIT CARD, VISA, MASTER CARD, ECT. THAT WE ALL CAN USE TO JOIN, BUY PAGE IMPRESSIONS, ECT. Not only would they get the money faster but new members would be up and running right away. Most people I talk to do not like the idea of signing up for this debut card or solid trust pay account. There are fees for using these cards and fees just to have them. For the little guy you do not make enough in the VIP daily earnings to recover these costs. I have tried to ask these questions on the conference calls but never get chosen. SO IF IT IS LIGET, WHY DO THEY NOT DO THIS ? I am hoping they can do something about this.

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  73. Joe,

    What an impressive display of debating acumen!!! David presents a pretty good case, only lacking the facts to back up his assertions. If he had data to support his points, everyone would buy into the current state of AVG (of course, regardless of the current state, the past state by his own admission was an illegal Ponzi). You on the other hand can’t put a coherent sentence together to discuss your point of view in a manner that would convince anyone…. F*** Y** is not actually an argument in the real world….try again.

    joe:

    David: PS; I dont know if your are looking at the current facts but avga couldnt currently be further from asd as a business model. Foremost it has on sale on its website multiple e commerce products and services, asd failed to do this all along. It was a primary reason why it was declared a ponzi. I am happy to debate the facts here.

    David fu** these guys, they are idiots and you play right in to their hands

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  74. Dennis: I sure hope this is a not a scam as I had hopes of getting other people to join. I have many friends that want to join and 2 that are ready to put in over $6000 but with all the problems I am afraid to push them ahead. It is a easy sell but my biggest question is WHY DOES AVGA NOT HAVE A REGULAR CREDIT CARD, VISA, MASTER CARD, ECT. THAT WE ALL CAN USE TO JOIN, BUY PAGE IMPRESSIONS, ECT. Not only would they get the money faster but new members would be up and running right away. Most people I talk to do not like the idea of signing up for this debut card or solid trust pay account. There are fees for using these cards and fees just to have them. For the little guy you do not make enough in the VIP daily earnings to recover these costs. I have tried to ask these questions on the conference calls but never get chosen. SO IF IT IS LIGET, WHY DO THEY NOT DO THIS ? I am hoping they can do something about this.

    Dennis, this is not legitimate. They will never answer this question as it would require the truth and truth will NOT set them free.
    Please run away from this and do not have your friends and family put any money into this scam. You may likely regret it if you do.

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  75. David,

    Fair enough. AVG is not identical and is still functioning, and while it would appear that the available data suggests strongly that AVG is operating illegally, I will grant you that no one at AVG has been convicted yet of a crime (of course, many of the insiders have previously been convicted of fraud previously, but may not be this time around), but that doesn’t make them innocent. A drug dealer who has been dealing crack for 10 years is not innocent if they have not been arrested and convicted, they just haven’t been caught yet.

    Back to a higher plane, no personal accusations. Are you able to produce validated evidence in support of your contentions that AVG has revenue streams (actually income streams) that would enable them at this point in time to have a sustainable and ostensibly legal business? Question number two — in your previous posts you strongly suggested that AVG’s past behavior was built around an ASD model, generating renevue exclusively through new member purchases and distributing those funds to older members (but now AVG is cleaning up its act). Do you have any reason to believe (ie by citing legal precedence for example) that AVG can wipe away the first six months or so of illegal activity through their current reforms? How will they avoid the legal liability thiose early actions entailed? Truly, most of the folks here would love to see you bring data. Your fellow pro-AVG poster, CORRECTION!, has been asked repeatedly for data for months, and has never brought the proof. We would welcome it, but hearsay is not proof, unfortunately for CORRECTION!

    David: AVGA – 1/ not identical. 2/ still functioning and developing. 3/ not currently guilty of anything. IN AUSTRALIA AS IN USA PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE EXISTS, OUR ENGLISH HERITAGE TOOK CARE OF MOST OF THE LEGAL PRINCIPALS.

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  76. Entertained: Joe,What an impressive display of debating acumen!!!David presents a pretty good case, only lacking the facts to back up his assertions.If he had data to support his points, everyone would buy into the current state of AVG (of course, regardless of the current state, the past state by his own admission was an illegal Ponzi).You on the other hand can’t put a coherent sentence together to discuss your point of view in a manner that would convince anyone….F*** Y** is not actually an argument in the real world….try again.

    joe:

    David: PS; I dont know if your are looking at the current facts but avga couldnt currently be further from asd as a business model. Foremost it has on sale on its website multiple e commerce products and services, asd failed to do this all along. It was a primary reason why it was declared a ponzi. I am happy to debate the facts here.

    David fu** these guys, they are idiots and you play right in to their hands

    Well you should re read it, I didn’t say F**k You I said to David Fu*k these guys as in don’t bother. I wasn’t debating anything. No need for acumen there.

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  77. Joe,

    joe: I didn’t say F**k You I said to David Fu*k these guys as in don’t bother.

    AVG’s spokespeople need to do better than “F**k You” or “Fu*k these guys” if they hope to make people believe that the company, which purportedly is governed by the laws of Uruguay while deriving its power from “the State of Florida, [the] U.S. Constitution and the Florida Constitution,” is a professional advertising and communications firm.

    Such behavior is apt to affect AVG’s purported 37 percent conversion rate and its claim earlier this month that prospects can get their money back, plus 10 percent, in six months.

    Or are the conversion claim and the six-month profit claim no longer operative, considering AVG has exercised its equivalent of the “rebates aren’t guaranteed” escape clause and has told members it now is holding 100 percent of the revenue pool and suspending cash-outs while the braintrust who offered 250 percent matching bonuses and a member-to-member cash button and managed AVG into the ground are auditing themselves?

    Just an idea, but you might want to disclose those things if you do any recruiting for AVG. Your downline might get annoyed if they don’t find out until after they’ve joined that payouts have been suspended, “rebates aren’t guaranteed” has been invoked and the beancounters are auditing themselves.

    You also might want to mention the ASD ties and the fact the government seized ASD’s money in part because of the “rebates aren’t guaranteed” clause and the fact the business model is illegal.

    Patrick

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  78. Joe,

    I suppose technically you are correct. That makes your point SO much stronger…..

    joe:

    David fu** these guys, they are idiots and you play right in to their hands

    Well you should re read it, I didn’t say F**k You I said to David Fu*k these guys as in don’t bother. I wasn’t debating anything. No need for acumen there.

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  79. admin: Joe,

    joe: I didn’t say F**k You I said to David Fu*k these guys as in don’t bother.

    AVG’s spokespeople need to do better than “F**k You” or “Fu*k these guys” if they hope to make people believe that the company, which purportedly is governed by the laws of Uruguay while deriving its power from “the State of Florida, [the] U.S. Constitution and the Florida Constitution,” is a professional advertising and communications firm.Such behavior is apt to affect AVG’s purported 37 percent conversion rate and its claim that prospects can get their money back, plus 10 percent, in six months.Or are the conversion claim and the six-month profit claim no longer operative, considering AVG has exercised its equivalent of the “rebates aren’t guaranteed” escape clause and has told members it now is holding 100 percent of the revenue pool and suspending cash-outs while the braintrust who offered 250 percent matching bonuses and a member-to-member cash button and managed AVG into the ground are auditing themselves?Just an idea, but you might want to disclose those things if you do any recruiting for AVG. Your downline might get annoyed if they don’t find out until after they’ve joined that payouts have been suspended and the beancounters are auditing themselves.You also might want to mention the ASD ties and the fact the government seized ASD’s money in part because of the “rebates aren’t guaranteed” clause and the fact the business model is illegal.Patrick

    admin: Joe,

    joe: I didn’t say F**k You I said to David Fu*k these guys as in don’t bother.

    AVG’s spokespeople need to do better than “F**k You” or “Fu*k these guys” if they hope to make people believe that the company, which purportedly is governed by the laws of Uruguay while deriving its power from “the State of Florida, [the] U.S. Constitution and the Florida Constitution,” is a professional advertising and communications firm.Such behavior is apt to affect AVG’s purported 37 percent conversion rate and its claim that prospects can get their money back, plus 10 percent, in six months.Or are the conversion claim and the six-month profit claim no longer operative, considering AVG has exercised its equivalent of the “rebates aren’t guaranteed” escape clause and has told members it now is holding 100 percent of the revenue pool and suspending cash-outs while the braintrust who offered 250 percent matching bonuses and a member-to-member cash button and managed AVG into the ground are auditing themselves?Just an idea, but you might want to disclose those things if you do any recruiting for AVG. Your downline might get annoyed if they don’t find out until after they’ve joined that payouts have been suspended and the beancounters are auditing themselves.You also might want to mention the ASD ties and the fact the government seized ASD’s money in part because of the “rebates aren’t guaranteed” clause and the fact the business model is illegal.Patrick

    admin: Joe,

    joe: I didn’t say F**k You I said to David Fu*k these guys as in don’t bother.

    AVG’s spokespeople need to do better than “F**k You” or “Fu*k these guys” if they hope to make people believe that the company, which purportedly is governed by the laws of Uruguay while deriving its power from “the State of Florida, [the] U.S. Constitution and the Florida Constitution,” is a professional advertising and communications firm.Such behavior is apt to affect AVG’s purported 37 percent conversion rate and its claim that prospects can get their money back, plus 10 percent, in six months.Or are the conversion claim and the six-month profit claim no longer operative, considering AVG has exercised its equivalent of the “rebates aren’t guaranteed” escape clause and has told members it now is holding 100 percent of the revenue pool and suspending cash-outs while the braintrust who offered 250 percent matching bonuses and a member-to-member cash button and managed AVG into the ground are auditing themselves?Just an idea, but you might want to disclose those things if you do any recruiting for AVG. Your downline might get annoyed if they don’t find out until after they’ve joined that payouts have been suspended and the beancounters are auditing themselves.You also might want to mention the ASD ties and the fact the government seized ASD’s money in part because of the “rebates aren’t guaranteed” clause and the fact the business model is illegal.Patrick

    joe:

    Entertained: Joe,What an impressive display of debating acumen!!!David presents a pretty good case, only lacking the facts to back up his assertions.If he had data to support his points, everyone would buy into the current state of AVG (of course, regardless of the current state, the past state by his own admission was an illegal Ponzi).You on the other hand can’t put a coherent sentence together to discuss your point of view in a manner that would convince anyone….F*** Y** is not actually an argument in the real world….try again.

    joe:

    David: PS; I dont know if your are looking at the current facts but avga couldnt currently be further from asd as a business model. Foremost it has on sale on its website multiple e commerce products and services, asd failed to do this all along. It was a primary reason why it was declared a ponzi. I am happy to debate the facts here.

    David fu** these guys, they are idiots and you play right in to their hands

    Well you should re read it, I didn’t say F**k You I said to David Fu*k these guys as in don’t bother. I wasn’t debating anything. No need for acumen there.

    No actually Fu*k these guys will work fine because I don’t think many people come here anyway. I came because I heard about you and after reading a little bit I realized how insignificant you are and powerless which is why I told David not to bother. Right now however I’m not following my own very wise advice but that will change in the next 10 seconds.

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  80. Joe,

    People who speak the truth ultimately are not insignificant and powerless. Not sure if you are referring to me or to Patrick, but in either case we do not need to rely on a life of crime such as you have chosen in order to earn our livings. Powerless? Perhaps, but whereas you must rely on lies and deceit to convince your victims to join AVG, Patrick and I and many others need only bring the data and math. You have demonstrated over and over the inability to bring data and math and facts to support your position, in spite of having been asked repeatedly to do so — you treat such things like vampires fear the light. Frankly I don’t care if people choose to disbelieve that facts and instead choose to believe in your fantasy of money-for-nothing — those people deserve to lose their money. What I do care about is presenting the facts for people who might be undecided — something you clearly do not want. You want docile, naive victims, because smart, informed people will not follow you. I have stated nemerous times to various AVG promoters that if they can bring the data demonstrating sustainability and legality of AVG, I’d be delighted to become their downline, which would be lucrative for those folks given the referral bonuses. Not one has even attempted to bring data. Will you be the first????? I suspect not; you’ll just respong with your usual persuasive, compelling, and dataless F*** O**. btw, I am happy to hear that you heard about me…..not for my sake, but that suggests others have heard as well, and may be interested in data and math — the bane of Ponzi schemes……

    joe:

    No actually Fu*k these guys will work fine because I don’t think many people come here anyway. I came because I heard about you and after reading a little bit I realized how insignificant you are and powerless which is why I told David not to bother. Right now however I’m not following my own very wise advice but that will change in the next 10 seconds.

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  81. ….I have to make my friend CORRECTION! happy and post a retraction. Earlier I stated that David was a criminal for his actions in ASD and subsequently for AVG. Officially, according to the US Government, David’s status is alleged criminal. David was a significant player in ASD by his own admission, funding this alleged Ponzi scheme/fraud, and recruiting others into the scheme. While the final legal decisions have not been reached, the allegations of fraud surronding ASD have been confirmed by the ringleader, Andy Bowdoin, in his pro se filing, and there is evidence in the courts that has not been challenged by Bowdoin concerning a proffer letter, where Bowdoin admits that all of the government charges concerning the fraudulent nature of ASD. Technically then, ASD is NOT a fraud/Ponzi until everything is settled, so that means David is only an alleged criminal for now. Bowdoin considers him a criminal though, if the proffer letter is true. Tick, tick, tick……

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  82. Entertained: Joe,People who speak the truth ultimately are not insignificant and powerless.Not sure if you are referring to me or to Patrick, but in either case we do not need to rely on a life of crime such as you have chosen in order to earn our livings.Powerless?Perhaps, but whereas you must rely on lies and deceit to convince your victims to join AVG, Patrick and I and many others need only bring the data and math.You have demonstrated over and over the inability to bring data and math and facts to support your position, in spite of having been asked repeatedly to do so — you treat such things like vampires fear the light.Frankly I don’t care if people choose to disbelieve that facts and instead choose to believe in your fantasy of money-for-nothing — those people deserve to lose their money.What I do care about is presenting the facts for people who might be undecided — something you clearly do not want.You want docile, naive victims, because smart, informed people will not follow you.I have stated nemerous times to various AVG promoters that if they can bring the data demonstrating sustainability and legality of AVG, I’d be delighted to become their downline, which would be lucrative for those folks given the referral bonuses.Not one has even attempted to bring data.Will you be the first?????I suspect not; you’ll just respong with your usual persuasive, compelling, and dataless F*** O**. btw, I am happy to hear that you heard about me…..not for my sake, but that suggests others have heard as well, and may be interested in data and math — the bane of Ponzi schemes……

    joe:

    No actually Fu*k these guys will work fine because I don’t think many people come here anyway. I came because I heard about you and after reading a little bit I realized how insignificant you are and powerless which is why I told David not to bother. Right now however I’m not following my own very wise advice but that will change in the next 10 seconds.

    No don’t get your hopes up it was patrick I’d heard of. You, I have no idea who you are except one of patricks little ass kissers and just as insignificant and powerless. As for proof, it’s coming, just because someone isn’t a businessman and can’t explain everything to you does not mean it can’t be by someone in mgmt. I guess they don’t feel they owe you anything because that would be acknowledging you and your BS.

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  83. So, as has been proven time and time again…you got nothin’.
    Your own due diligence should be able to provide the proof needed. It’s really not that hard.

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  84. Whip: So, as has been proven time and time again…you got nothin’.
    Your own due diligence should be able to provide the proof needed. It’s really not that hard.

    My goodness patrick has a bunch of you little boys running around on here.

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  85. Joe,

    joe: You, I have no idea who you are except one of patricks little ass kissers and just as insignificant and powerless.

    You are emerging rapidly as an articulate spokesman for the AVG point of view.

    I’m wondering if you’re posting from an Internet cafe. Two other usernames here are associated with your IP.

    Or, if you’re posting from home or from another computer an AVG member might use, I’m wondering if there might be some dissension in your universe.

    The reason I ask is that, back in May, a poster from your IP said he was worried that the program might be a scam and that he might lose his money.

    Hope it’s not someone you talked into joining AVG, given the company’s current difficulties.

    Patrick

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  86. admin: Joe,

    joe: You, I have no idea who you are except one of patricks little ass kissers and just as insignificant and powerless.

    You are emerging rapidly as an articulate spokesman for the AVG point of view.I’m wondering if you’re posting from an Internet cafe. Two other usernames here are associated with your IP.Or, if you’re posting from home or from another computer an AVG member might use, I’m wondering if there might be some dissension in your universe.The reason I ask is that, back in May, a poster from your IP said he was worried that the program might be a scam and that he might lose his money.Hope it’s not someone you talked into joining AVG, given the company’s current difficulties.Patrick

    Wow all of those possibilities. Speaking of dissension in a universe you obviously have no universe other than telling a very slanted view of AVG. I’m not really sure what it is you’re trying to accomplish and please don’t say you;re doing it out of concern for anyone because I don’t want to puke all over my new keyboard. Just curious, how come you’re not bagging on Adventures4U? Thats a surf too and must be a scam and illegal.

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  87. Joe, attack is a great form of defence. That is a known tactic. Discredit the critic and avoid their questions. It doesnt change the fact that, to date, neither you nor any of your colleagues have been willing or able to present a couple of simple facts to answer the questions made to you.

    You might have a low opinion of the posters here, but this blog is, nevertheless, widely read. Freedom of speech might not be a well known feature of life Uruguay, but it is an inalienable right in the US and other western democracies.

    A few convincing pieces of concrete date to show that AVGA is both legal and sustainable might do your company more good than vulgar rants. Your rants damage your company’s credibility just as much as any criticism by non members.

    And AdVentures4U? Yes, that is another story. Whatever their intentions, their business model is highly suspect and they are now flying above the radar, irrespective of their Panamanian registration.

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  88. Joe,

    joe: Speaking of dissension in a universe you obviously have no universe other than telling a very slanted view of AVG. I’m not really sure what it is you’re trying to accomplish and please don’t say you;re doing it out of concern for anyone because I don’t want to puke all over my new keyboard. Just curious, how come you’re not bagging on Adventures4U? Thats a surf too and must be a scam and illegal.

    Yes, indeed, you’re doing a fine job articulating the point of view of AVG.

    Your use of the “F” word and “ass kissers” speaks highly of your association with AVG and the image of professionalism it projects. I got the same feeling after I read an email from an AVG promoter who advised prospects that $5,000 turned into $15,000 “instantly!”

    Two of the most interesting things about that email is that it came out only a day or so after AVG announced in March that its bank account had been suspended because too many people had wired transactions in excess of $9,500 — and that the person who wrote it is named in court filings in the CEP Ponzi scheme.

    One way to look at that email, of course, is that AVG turned to a big-lister and known Ponzi promoter to suck in some cash after its access to bank wires was cut.

    Thanks for the tip about Adventures4U; we’ve had a couple of them now. Perhaps people are starting to worry now that AVG has invoked its version of the “rebates aren’t guaranteed” clause.

    It makes the whole “industry” nervous when a surf suspends cash-outs. Participants figure, “Hmmm. If AVG is doing this after the CEP Ponzi scheme promoter assured me that $5,000 in AVG would turn into $15,000 ‘instantly!’, maybe my surf will do this.”

    This is not to say that there isn’t an upside when a surf invokes “rebates aren’t guaranteed.” It makes a lot of people wonder if maybe, just maybe, the government might have a point when it seizes the cash to stop other people from getting ripped off.

    You know, like the SEC did with CEP and the DOJ did with ASD.

    Patrick

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  89. Quick note: The email below came from Shad Foss, an AVG promoter who is named in court documents as a participant in the CEP Ponzi scheme. The email coincided with AVG’s March announcement that its bank account had been suspended because too many people had wired transactions in excess of $9,500.

    ** Start email **

    Been awhile since I have endorsed or promoted a program. But here
    is one that i feel good about that will make some people alot of
    mo~ney..If they act NOW!

    Because you had requested information on paid-to-surf
    programs in the past, I’m sending you this brief
    invitation on a solid program so you can explore it
    yourself and determine if it’s an organization and
    activity you’d like to be a part of.

    This company was launched back in Dec of ’08 and from
    everything I’ve seen so far, I’m very positive about how
    it’s positioning itself for success in 2009.

    I’m kicking myself for not becoming active back when I
    originally signed up as this company has grown by leaps
    and bounds and many of my associates are making $500 to
    $1000+ per day with it.

    Whether you have a business website or not, you can
    participate in the Viewing Incentive Program.

    Each member is paid to view websites. Each member views
    up to 24 different websites per day for 15 seconds each.

    Takes less than 7 minutes a day.

    This provides a guarantee to the “paying advertisers”
    that they’ll have a committed, diverse audience all over
    the world of qualified consumers.

    Anyways, this email is to inform you of new time-sensitive
    incentives that have been rolled out and also about a
    conference call which will be held tomorrow night at 9PM
    Eastern Time.

    200% MATCHING BONUS PROMOTION – Ends Friday, April 3rd 9pm EST!

    AVGA is running a special incentive for all new
    advertisers…

    Anyone who purchases from $500 (or more) in advertising
    will receive a 200% match as will their sponsor.

    That means $500 turns into $1500 instantly!

    $1000 turns into $3,000 instantly!

    $2500 turns into $7,5000 instantly!

    $5000 turns into $15,000 instantly!

    Let me give you a realistic example of what could be your
    reality almost immediately…

    Let’s assume you purchase $5000 in Ad Impressions and get
    credit for $15,000 with the 200% match.

    Let’s also assume the average earnings per day on that
    $15,000 balance is only 2/3 of 1%, or .0075%.

    That’s an instant cash flow of $112 per day…

    That’s over $3,000 per month without having to sponsor a
    single person []!

    If you ever wanted to come out of the gate flying or simply
    take advantage of a massive opportunity and start sharing
    in the online internet advertising explosion, here is your
    chance.

    And here’s more interesting information…

    Ad Impressions last 150 days before they expire.

    So here’s the strategy I’m using.

    For example, you purchase $5,000 and get the 200% match for
    a total ad account of $15,000.

    The first 45 days, you pull out 100% of all cash earned from
    viewing 24 sites per day. That’s approximately $5,040.

    In 45 days, you could have all of your original money back
    in your pocket.

    From this point forward, the program is PAYING YOU 100%
    PROFIT.

    Now, remember that your ad impressions only have a life span
    of 150 days. So you’ll need to begin repurchasing new ad
    impressions to replace those older ones that will be
    expiring.

    This is where I suggest a 60-40 split and repurchase program.

    From day 46 and thereafter, you repurchase, or roll 60% back
    into new ad impressions and keep 40% in your cash balance to
    accumulate. This is smart money management.

    By using a 60-40 rollover, you’ll continue to grow the size
    of your ad impression balance each month and still pull out
    a nice monthly income from the 40% left in your growing cash
    balance. 40% of $3300 is $1,320 income to you per month.

    Nothing will change your life faster than getting started
    now and telling as many others about this as you can.

    I’m seeing as much as a 57% increase in traffic to my sites.

    I realize lots of people may not have $5,000 lying around
    in this economy, but based on the realistic example I just
    gave you above, many people are taking advantage of it.

    The 200% match ends Friday, April 3rd at 9pm EST.

    Right now they accept SolidTrustPay as their primary payment
    processor.

    []

    When you register just make sure that ACCOUNT # 3284 shows
    as your sponsor: New Wealth Strategies ( My corporate Name).

    If not, please email me to let me know so I can get it
    corrected.

    A big part of making money online is timing and a bit of
    luck.

    The old saying is true that it’s not always ‘what you know’
    but ‘who you know’.

    Finding out about promotions and getting the inside scoop
    can sometimes mean the difference between failure and
    success.

    I feel the timing is right to get involved with AVGA and
    receive a nice 200% bonus just for participating.

    But you must act NOW! This special offer ends April 3rd.

    To YOUR Success [],

    Shad Foss

    ** End email **

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  90. ….RANT, RANT, RANT, RANT…

    Yet another lucid argument from Joe. Bring data please…..

    OBTW, your personal insults have no effect — I actually take it as a compliment that a criminal Ponzi promoter such as yourself is upset enough to make a laughable attempt at insulting me because I am speaking the truth about your beloved Ponzi scheme and your chosen life of crime…..

    joe:

    <A href=”#comment-4082″ …… Right now however I’m not following my own very wise advice but that will change in the next 10 seconds.

    No don’t get your hopes up it was patrick I’d heard of. You, I have no idea who you are except one of patricks little ass kissers and just as insignificant and powerless. As for proof, it’s coming, just because someone isn’t a businessman and can’t explain everything to you does not mean it can’t be by someone in mgmt. I guess they don’t feel they owe you anything because that would be acknowledging you and your BS.

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  91. ….well, it has been at least 6 months since AVG was launched, and several more months prior since the announcement of the launch. To date, the management team at your beloved Ponzi scheme (which by the way, as I am sure you know, consists of among other things convicted felons and folks that were deep into the ASD Ponzi scheme) has yet to come up with any verifiable information as to the legality or sustainability of AVG…..they don’t need to explain it to me — I am FAR too smart to fall for one of these illegal get-rich-quick schemes (unlike you). They will at some point need to explain it to the authorities, but of course they can’t (see: Bowdoin, Andy or CEP or 12DP etc…)

    Joe, when AVG is busted, will you recant then?

    joe…. As for proof, it’s coming, just because someone isn’t a businessman and can’t explain everything to you does not mean it can’t be by someone in mgmt. I guess they don’t feel they owe you anything because that would be acknowledging you and your BS.

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  92. Entertained: Joe,I suppose technically you are correct.That makes your point SO much stronger…..

    joe:

    Well you should re read it, I didn’t say F**k You I said to David Fu*k these guys as in don’t bother. I wasn’t debating anything. No need for acumen there.

    thanks, I know

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  93. joe: just because someone isn’t a businessman and can’t explain everything to you does not mean it can’t be by someone in mgmt. I guess they don’t feel they owe you anything because that would be acknowledging you and your BS.

    Joe,

    Isn’t AVG the party that claimed no affiliation with ASD — but issued a news release written by a person who testified for ASD at the hearing?

    And wasn’t the person who authored the news release for AVG and testified at the hearing for ASD also a former employee of ASD?

    And, in that AVG news release written by the person who testified for ASD and worked for ASD, didn’t AVG also identify its CEO as a former ASD executive after its graphics appeared on ASD’s website and after AVG earlier had specifically disclaimed affiliation with ASD?

    And didn’t the AVG CEO file a sworn court document in the ASD case?

    And didn’t AVG’s graphics then go missing from the ASD website?

    And didn’t AVG form a “private association” after all of these things happened — after consulting with a convicted felon?

    And aren’t two members of the Bowdoin/Harris family AVG “Trustees?”

    And didn’t ASD endorse Surf’s Up — and didn’t some of the Mods and members there then set up an AVG forum that went dark after AVG invoked “rebates aren’t guaranteed?”

    And didn’t AVG advertise 200-percent matches continuously, provide a member-to-member cash button that raised obvious wire fraud and money-laundering concerns, lose at least two wire facilities, make the 80/20 program mandatory and invoke the “rebates aren’t guaranteed” clause?

    And aren’t you now here using the “F” word to diffuse AVG’s critics, while sidestepping issues such as the ones noted above?

    Patrick

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  94. Patrick,

    You are not playing fair. You are bringing relevant facts and data into the discussion. Per AVG rules, that is not allowed……

    admin: …….Joe,Isn’t AVG the party that claimed no affiliation with ASD — but issued a news release written by a person who testified for ASD at the hearing?And wasn’t the person who authored the news release for AVG and testified at the hearing for ASD also a former employee of ASD?And,……. Patrick

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  95. admin: joe: just because someone isn’t a businessman and can’t explain everything to you does not mean it can’t be by someone in mgmt. I guess they don’t feel they owe you anything because that would be acknowledging you and your BS.Joe,Isn’t AVG the party that claimed no affiliation with ASD — but issued a news release written by a person who testified for ASD at the hearing?And wasn’t the person who authored the news release for AVG and testified at the hearing for ASD also a former employee of ASD?And, in that AVG news release written by the person who testified for ASD and worked for ASD, didn’t AVG also identify its CEO as a former ASD executive after its graphics appeared on ASD’s website and after AVG earlier had specifically disclaimed affiliation with ASD?And didn’t the AVG CEO file a sworn court document in the ASD case?And didn’t AVG’s graphics then go missing from the ASD website?And didn’t AVG form a “private association” after all of these things happened — after consulting with a convicted felon?And aren’t two members of the Bowdoin/Harris family AVG “Trustees?”And didn’t ASD endorse Surf’s Up — and didn’t some of the Mods and members there then set up an AVG forum that went dark after AVG invoked “rebates aren’t guaranteed?”And didn’t AVG advertise 200-percent matches continuously, provide a member-to-member cash button that raised obvious wire fraud and money-laundering concerns, lose at least two wire facilities, make the 80/20 program mandatory and invoke the “rebates aren’t guaranteed” clause?And aren’t you now here using the “F” word to diffuse AVG’s critics, while sidestepping issues such as the ones noted above?Patrick

    First of all your response had nothing to do with what I said but that’s ok, secondly I never said that there was no one in AVG mgmt that wasn’t in ASD. That in and of itself doesn’t mean anything anyway. Forming a private association was a business move and a good one hopefully to help protect from being unjustly screwed with. The thing is it doesn’t matter what move they make you try to put some kind of detrimental spin on it. The member to member transfer button was originally put in place to help members fund people they brought in quicker and guess what it worked wonderfully until some idiots misused it but you try to suggest they were in to money laundering. that’s weak and you know it. The rebates aren’t guaranteed thing has been there from the beginning as you well know and it had nothing to do with the forum going dark. They did that to try to keep people like you out of there although I will say that isn’t going to stop anyone, all you have to do is sign up and you have access. Continuous 200% matches, yeah stupid but stupid doesn’t make you criminal and that’s also why they are bringing in new management but I suppose that’s another sign of a scam. I’ll tell you what they sure are doing a whole lot of unnecessary things like implementing all of the advertising portals and a brand new website and new management, just to keep a scam going. They didn’t need to do any of that, they had everything they needed already, the old website was fine for a scam why change? Lot’s of money spent there huh? 80/20 mandatory yeah but for 30 days only. Kinda sucks but they have to do this to clean up the damage done by the people with the member to member button, I wouldn’t be surprised if you had something to do with that or one of your cronies. I can’t prove that of course but certainly food for thought. Your life is based on bashing AVGA so I was curious, did you lose money in ASD? after the govt unjustly stepped in and froze everything? I didn’t, I was no where around that but I sure can see how they got screwed. No one was complaining and everyone was making money. I just wondered if you did because again I can’t figure out your animosity. In the end it doesn’t really matter because you are pretty small potatoes. Of course anyone involved with AVGA is going to hear of you, actually I take that back, when your name has been mentioned a lot of the members there have said Who? Now again I’ve done what I said I wasn’t going to do which is waste time here. I would bet that when this gets as big as we all think it will you will still be saying it’s a scam or maybe the storyline will change and it will be something like “Advertising giant AVGA got it’s start from very questionable beginnings” or something like that who knows or maybe you’ll find a new target. What happened no one would hire you as a writer? I doubt you’re making a living with this forum or news letter or whatever it is.

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  96. So what proof do you have that ASD wasn’t a ponzi since you think everyone in it got ‘screwed’?
    What was the outside revenue source?
    What is the outside revenue source that makes AVG not a ponzi?
    You certainly come here and make a lot of vague statements like you are in the know but aren’t.
    When are you going to finally post some concrete proof to back up your claims?
    Patrick posts what is posted elsewhere.
    You don’t like what he puts up, go after those that post it.

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  97. Whip: So what proof do you have that ASD wasn’t a ponzi since you think everyone in it got ’screwed’?
    What was the outside revenue source?
    What is the outside revenue source that makes AVG not a ponzi?
    You certainly come here and make a lot of vague statements like you are in the know but aren’t.
    When are you going to finally post some concrete proof to back up your claims?
    Patrick posts what is posted elsewhere.
    You don’t like what he puts up, go after those that post it.

    whip, you should leave the rebuttals to the slightly more intelligent. I meant they got screwed by the government.

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  98. You should heed your own advice. I know exactly what you meant. Where is your proof?

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  99. Joe,

    When a set of TE owners “set on me” for promoting ASD, they were so gross that I dismissed their ponzi claims as “badness”. Why? Because of their agressive tone and insults. It was only AFTER the Secret Service stopped the investment side of ASD (though not the advertising rotator) and the news of the real background of the Founder, owner and president came to light, that I started asking questions. Thanks to many well mannered people who dislike fraud and had the patience to explain the WHY, I came to understand WHY ASD was a ponzi operation. I also came to understand that the complex business model was just so much smoke and mirror and that I had fallen for a lot of lies as well.

    That is NOT the case with the majority of the writers on this blog and other forums. They are generally courteous, but do ask questions. People are trying to explain to other WHY AVGA is not the legitimate sustainable model it claims to be. None of these explanations have been refuted in the normal way with facts and data. The only defence I have seen for AVGA is to attack the critics.

    All businesses, especially “new models” receive criticism. The vast of majority of them are able to defend themselves with facts and figures and the criticism doesnt stick. AVGA have chosen not to answer questions freely, including in their forums. Awkward questions are deleted, as are critical posts by their own paying members.

    Contrary to what I expect you believe, most people here would love to discover that AVGA is legitimate and sustainable and you have been given many chances to demonstrate it. The reality is that either you nor any other member of AVGA has been able or willing to demonstrate this.

    All we have to date is strong evidence that it is neither legal nor sustainable You can still have the chance to prove to the world that this is wrong, but you must do it in the normal professional way, with facts and figurs, if you wish your arguments to have any credibility. A debate on who told who to F*** Off is not proof of anything other than your ability to speak anglo saxon.

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  100. Whip: You should heed your own advice. I know exactly what you meant. Where is your proof?

    I can throw that right back at you, where is your proof they don’t have outside revenue? You keep on saying the same thing over and over like you think you’ve “got us ” with that same tiredass question but you have squat. What, I have financial records of a company I’m not even employed by? All you’re doing is parroting the crap that the other patrickites are spewing.

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  101. Proof can’t be shown of something that does not exist.
    People like you, correction, david, however insist that everyone else is wrong.
    In order to make that statement, you must have some kind of proof to back it up. You don’t.
    We understand you don’t want to admit it and that you are just worried that you’ll never get any more suckers to make your money back but we already know you don’t have any.

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  102. Whip: Proof can’t be shown of something that does not exist.
    People like you, correction, david, however insist that everyone else is wrong.
    In order to make that statement, you must have some kind of proof to back it up. You don’t.
    We understand you don’t want to admit it and that you are just worried that you’ll never get any more suckers to make your money back but we already know you don’t have any.

    I don’t particularly care about ASD but I will say again, I challenge you to come on the AVGA corporate call and ask your questions and get the answers straight from the horses mouth, if you have the balls to do it.That way you can ask any question you want, Donna isn’t hiding from anything and I would like to hear the answer too. Just think, your 10 minutes of fame exposing AVGA for the scam that it is. What a hero! Go ahead, make my day.

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  103. Joe,

    ’round and ’round we go….

    You do know that Bowdoin admitted, twice, in legal filings, that ASD was an illegal operation, don’t you? I am also certain that you cannot articulate the differences between AVG and ASD, and I pretty much guarantee you cannot articulate the mathematical differences between the two (hint: there are none). Do you buy the premise that if ASD was an illegal Ponzi, then so was AVG in its early days? Even you ally CORRECTION! has admitted as much……

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  104. Entertained: Joe,’round and ’round we go….You do know that Bowdoin admitted, twice, in legal filings, that ASD was an illegal operation, don’t you?I am also certain that you cannot articulate the differences between AVG and ASD, and I pretty much guarantee you cannot articulate the mathematical differences between the two (hint: there are none).Do you buy the premise that if ASD was an illegal Ponzi, then so was AVG in its early days?Even you ally CORRECTION! has admitted as much……

    IN it’s early days? Why isn’t it still?

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  105. joe:

    Entertained: Joe,’round and ’round we go….You do know that Bowdoin admitted, twice, in legal filings, that ASD was an illegal operation, don’t you?I am also certain that you cannot articulate the differences between AVG and ASD, and I pretty much guarantee you cannot articulate the mathematical differences between the two (hint: there are none).Do you buy the premise that if ASD was an illegal Ponzi, then so was AVG in its early days?Even you ally CORRECTION! has admitted as much……

    IN it’s early days? Why isn’t it still?

    Also unfortunately correction may be a member but he isn’t exactly a spokesman and he doesn’t always have a very clear picture of what’s going on. He has said some things here that made me do a double take but whatever.

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  106. Joe,

    I refer to the early days in CORRECTION!’s terms, where he/she stated that now AVG is correcting some earlymistakes & trying to line up outside revenue. I’ll change to the “very early days” then, before AVG tried to do the things it is doing now, when all they did was to try to build the network by paying off old members with new member money….

    joe:

    Entertained: Joe,’round and ’round we go….You do know that Bowdoin admitted, twice, in legal filings, that ASD was an illegal operation, don’t you?I am also certain that you cannot articulate the differences between AVG and ASD, and I pretty much guarantee you cannot articulate the mathematical differences between the two (hint: there are none).Do you buy the premise that if ASD was an illegal Ponzi, then so was AVG in its early days?Even you ally CORRECTION! has admitted as much……

    IN it’s early days? Why isn’t it still?

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  107. I dont know about AGVA correcting earlier mistakes, but one thing has been done. Last night,there were about 138 posts on the AVGA forum. Checking today the number has been reduced to 91. Looks like the censor has been at work during the night.

    Don’t you love the way these legal advertising companies operate?

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