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	<description>Ponzi Schemes. Securities fraud. HYIP Schemes. Pyramid Schemes. Investment Fraud. Internet Crime.</description>
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		<title>By: jon jaqua</title>
		<link>http://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/03/roller-coaster-adviewglobal-forum-closes-reopens-closes/comment-page-1/#comment-4778</link>
		<dc:creator>jon jaqua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very close personal friend got me into this. Boy is his face red!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very close personal friend got me into this. Boy is his face red!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Dunn</title>
		<link>http://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/03/roller-coaster-adviewglobal-forum-closes-reopens-closes/comment-page-1/#comment-4552</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just looked it up. From the ToS comes the following:

&quot;1. Although we will attempt to keep Members informed of any changes in these Terms of Service, we may amend this Agreement at any time without any prior notification by posting the amended terms on our site. We will notify you via the e-mail address you have on file with AVGLOBAL ASSOCIATION of any changes to the terms. AVGLOBAL ASSOCIATION expressly reserves the right to make said changes and same may be posted on the website or otherwise noticed to Members in addition to or in lieu of the hereinabove mentioned e-mails.&quot;

So, George and Judy can arbitrarily decide to eliminate payouts and be in compliance with the ToS. They&#039;ve recently done that, purportedly for 30-40 days.

Furthermore, under the ToS, they can declare that no further payouts will ever occur (thereby eliminating that liability) and collapse the operation. If they do that, the association paperwork says the assets revert to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just looked it up. From the ToS comes the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;1. Although we will attempt to keep Members informed of any changes in these Terms of Service, we may amend this Agreement at any time without any prior notification by posting the amended terms on our site. We will notify you via the e-mail address you have on file with AVGLOBAL ASSOCIATION of any changes to the terms. AVGLOBAL ASSOCIATION expressly reserves the right to make said changes and same may be posted on the website or otherwise noticed to Members in addition to or in lieu of the hereinabove mentioned e-mails.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, George and Judy can arbitrarily decide to eliminate payouts and be in compliance with the ToS. They&#8217;ve recently done that, purportedly for 30-40 days.</p>
<p>Furthermore, under the ToS, they can declare that no further payouts will ever occur (thereby eliminating that liability) and collapse the operation. If they do that, the association paperwork says the assets revert to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Dunn</title>
		<link>http://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/03/roller-coaster-adviewglobal-forum-closes-reopens-closes/comment-page-1/#comment-4550</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-4547&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4547&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;littleroundman&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Ponzi operators accepting the liabilities generated by a fraudulent “autosurf” when, by its’ very nature, every single deposit generates another liability.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, but LRM, &quot;Rebates&quot; are not guaranteed, you&#039;ll recall. George and Judy get to define &quot;liability&quot; any way they want, since all terms of the agreement are subject to revision by AVG at its sole discretion. That&#039;s another clause in the paperwork, the ToS as I recall.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-4547" rel="nofollow">littleroundman</a></strong>: Ponzi operators accepting the liabilities generated by a fraudulent “autosurf” when, by its’ very nature, every single deposit generates another liability.
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<p>Ah, but LRM, &#8220;Rebates&#8221; are not guaranteed, you&#8217;ll recall. George and Judy get to define &#8220;liability&#8221; any way they want, since all terms of the agreement are subject to revision by AVG at its sole discretion. That&#8217;s another clause in the paperwork, the ToS as I recall.</p>
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		<title>By: littleroundman</title>
		<link>http://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/03/roller-coaster-adviewglobal-forum-closes-reopens-closes/comment-page-1/#comment-4547</link>
		<dc:creator>littleroundman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-4546&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4546&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pat Dunn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:  All assets AND LIABILITIES will then revert to the trustee(s) at the time of dissolution&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Talk about being hoist on their own petard.

That HAS TO appear on the next edition of &quot;Meet the Worlds&#039; Dumbest Crooks&quot;

Ponzi operators accepting the liabilities generated by a fraudulent &quot;autosurf&quot; when, by its&#039; very nature, every single deposit generates another liability.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-4546" rel="nofollow">Pat Dunn</a></strong>:  All assets AND LIABILITIES will then revert to the trustee(s) at the time of dissolution&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Talk about being hoist on their own petard.</p>
<p>That HAS TO appear on the next edition of &#8220;Meet the Worlds&#8217; Dumbest Crooks&#8221;</p>
<p>Ponzi operators accepting the liabilities generated by a fraudulent &#8220;autosurf&#8221; when, by its&#8217; very nature, every single deposit generates another liability.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Dunn</title>
		<link>http://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/03/roller-coaster-adviewglobal-forum-closes-reopens-closes/comment-page-1/#comment-4546</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the &quot;ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION OF AV Global Association&quot; comes this:

ARTICLE VIII

&quot;Dissolution
 
1. The Association will terminate upon the death of the last remaining member or upon unanimous decision of the Trustee(s). All assets and liabilities will then revert to the trustee(s) at the time of dissolution.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the &#8220;ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION OF AV Global Association&#8221; comes this:</p>
<p>ARTICLE VIII</p>
<p>&#8220;Dissolution</p>
<p>1. The Association will terminate upon the death of the last remaining member or upon unanimous decision of the Trustee(s). All assets and liabilities will then revert to the trustee(s) at the time of dissolution.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/03/roller-coaster-adviewglobal-forum-closes-reopens-closes/comment-page-1/#comment-4545</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is curious to me is non of the avga members are not on the Surf&#039;s up forum demanding answers...same moderators, just different forums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is curious to me is non of the avga members are not on the Surf&#8217;s up forum demanding answers&#8230;same moderators, just different forums.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy G.</title>
		<link>http://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/03/roller-coaster-adviewglobal-forum-closes-reopens-closes/comment-page-1/#comment-4543</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it has been 4 days since DR resigned and the forum closed down.  There has been no contact with the members regarding what the next move is and if/or when things will get going again.

Wondering how many faithful members continue to surf and are hoping/praying that things will turn itself around at the end of the month?  Ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it has been 4 days since DR resigned and the forum closed down.  There has been no contact with the members regarding what the next move is and if/or when things will get going again.</p>
<p>Wondering how many faithful members continue to surf and are hoping/praying that things will turn itself around at the end of the month?  Ha!</p>
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		<title>By: alasycia</title>
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		<dc:creator>alasycia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-4536&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4536&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;littleroundman&lt;/a&gt;It was a cold and calculating fraud carried out with ruthless precision by the fraudsters.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As is AVGA</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-4536" rel="nofollow">littleroundman</a>It was a cold and calculating fraud carried out with ruthless precision by the fraudsters.</p>
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<p>As is AVGA</p>
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		<title>By: littleroundman</title>
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		<dc:creator>littleroundman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-4534&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4534&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: WHAT A ******* MESS !

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No it&#039;s not,

stick around for a while, and you&#039;ll see it&#039;s playing out exactly as it should be, exactly as planned,

The people who set out to scam others&#039; money have done so, and the people who were set up to lose their money, i.e. the &quot;members&quot; have lost their money.

As was predicted on this and other forums, AVGA is just another HYIP ponzi &quot;autosurf&quot; game. Nothing more and nothing less.

There&#039;s no &quot;mess&quot; involved.

It was a cold and calculating fraud carried out with ruthless precision by the fraudsters.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-4534" rel="nofollow">David</a></strong>: WHAT A ******* MESS !</p>
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<p>No it&#8217;s not,</p>
<p>stick around for a while, and you&#8217;ll see it&#8217;s playing out exactly as it should be, exactly as planned,</p>
<p>The people who set out to scam others&#8217; money have done so, and the people who were set up to lose their money, i.e. the &#8220;members&#8221; have lost their money.</p>
<p>As was predicted on this and other forums, AVGA is just another HYIP ponzi &#8220;autosurf&#8221; game. Nothing more and nothing less.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no &#8220;mess&#8221; involved.</p>
<p>It was a cold and calculating fraud carried out with ruthless precision by the fraudsters.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT A FUCKING MESS !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT A FUCKING MESS !</p>
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