EDITORIAL: AdViewGlobal Blames Subcontractor For Problems

UPDATED 3:30 P.M. EDT (U.S.A.) It was utterly predictable: The AdViewGlobal (AVG) autosurf has blamed subcontractor Syndicate Digital for problems plaguing the firm, implying it might sue the Canada-based company.

In recent weeks, AVG has threatened to sue media outlets and even its own members, up to and including contacting their Internet Service Providers in a pathetic bid to mute criticism.

AVG’s record of blaming participants in the enterprise for its problems and accepting no accountability is rivaled only by AdSurfDaily. Syndicate Digital accepted work from AVG at great risk — and not simply a legal one: One of the biggest risks was that AVG would find a way to blame it for problems AVG itself created.

That’s what Bowdoin/Harris enterprises do: If Bowdoin-led ASD gets in a pickle and can’t pay out as advertised, he blames Russian “hackers” and script problems and changes the website’s name so he can fleece a new crop of victims — all while he is using a fraudulent address to donate money to the National Republican Congressional Committee in ASD’s name while telling members ASD has no money.

If the enterprise comes under fire by the government, he blames the government. When the enterprise gets stifled in bids to fight the government, he blames his paid attorneys and declares them incompetent. He then accepts advice from one or more felons and starts filing pro se pleadings, and when a federal judge tells him that a corporate entity can’t proceed pro se, he goes out and finds another paid attorney.

When Bowdoin got sued and nearly jailed in Alabama a decade ago for another securities scheme, it was somebody else’s fault.

AVG does the same thing. The surf announced in March that its bank account had been suspended. In the very first sentence of its announcement, it blamed members, saying they had wired too many transactions in excess of $9,500.

In May, after it announced it had secured a new wire facility and published wiring instructions and account numbers, a company AVG identified as a facilitator in the transfers issued a denial that it had any business relationship with AVG. The company issuing the denial explained that it had discussed business with a Florida-based firm, and announced that it believed it had been targeted in a scam.

The Florida-based firm was owned by an AVG insider. The clear implication was that AVG, which purports to be headquartered in Uruguay, had attempted to create a back-door route to funnel money to itself by using the banking connections of the Florida firm.

AVG ignored the denial by the company.  Instead AVG blamed a breakdown in negotiations for the sudden removal of a wire facility it had just advertised and for which it had just provided detailed usage instructions.

Now AVG is saying negotiations with Syndicate Digital have broken down, implying it might sue for nonperformace.

Negotiations between the owners of AVGA and Syndicate Digital broke down Thursday afternoon,” AVG told members.

“Syndicate Digital was a sub contractor hired to do a specific job and there is some dispute as to whether or not they have completed their contract with AVGA,” the company said.

Good grief.

Syndicate Digital entered the lion’s den when it accepted AVG business. Lions within the den now are circling to devour a subcontractor who used poor judgment and did not ask the right questions, and it just so happens the Lions-In-Chief are George and Judy Harris, members of the Bowdoin family and one-half of the Bowdoin/Harris brand.

This is a new low, perhaps an all-time new low. Donna Rougeau of Syndicate Digital should not have accepted work for AVG, and she should not have permitted her brand to become associated with AVG. Syndicate Digital and AVG became almost indistinguishable, and Rougeau was serving up the GIGO slop.

But Rougeau did not cause the core rot that is AVG and now is being served up as the fall guy by people who call themselves Christians. It was, sadly, utterly predictable.

Perhaps equally predictable was that AVG’s Syndicate Digital announcement would go missing — and it has, according to a reader.

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38 Responses to “EDITORIAL: AdViewGlobal Blames Subcontractor For Problems”

  1. What a train wreck. Members even admitting it was illegal and saying they don’t care? Unbelieveable.

    I wonder how many savings accounts and retirements were lost to this crap?

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  2. Sicilian: I wonder how many savings accounts and retirements were lost to this crap?

    For goodness’ sake, don’t say that.

    Next thing you’ll have Correction/joe/Barb/alias du jour here spouting the HYIP ponzi “autosurf” operators favourite mantra: “Anybody who lost their savings has only themselves to blame. They should only invest what they can afford to lose”

    Oops, sorry,

    “Anybody who lost their savings has only themselves to blame. They should only buy advertising with money they can afford to lose”

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  3. Woah, I caught that and then noticed you caught yourself. But to correct you even further they are “page impressions” lol.

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  4. Sicilian: to correct you even further they are “page impressions”

    Only until they become something else in the next iteration.

    Patrick

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  5. I wonder which jurisdiction AVGA would sue Syndicate Digital under? Florida, Canada, Panama, Uruguay?

    Patrick, whilst I agree with you that donna Rougeau is not reponsible for the chaotic state of AVGA, she did advertise herself as an experienced network marketer and, if only for that reason, cannot be considered an innocent. I think it is the same old story – she thought she could get away with it and make some money, before the whole thing collapsed. Only an opinion, but judging fro mthe tone of her posts on the now-defunct AVGA forum, she knew what they were up to, before she got her fingers burnt.

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  6. I wonder who they will blame next, when the whole of AVGA finally collapses. The Government, the members, the subcontractors, hostile “press” have all had their turn. I guess that only leaveds the little green men in their space ships.

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  7. Another vendor to blame. Who might be next? In light of comments made here by someone claiming to be Stella from Solid Trust Pay, perhaps some pressure should be put on them to shun the AVGA business, afterall the poster claimed that “We DO make every effort to allow legitimate business models and our policies get stricter all the time.” Well, Stella, what kind of information do you have that this train wreck is a legitimate business? And this doesn’t mean I’m calling for you to go through another haphazard refund process, but I do think it’s time for you to tell AVGA and the dozens of other obvious scams you facilitate to take a hike. If you’re truly concerned about criminal usage of your services, why don’t you kick a few of the criminals out?

    Oh, I guess that would be bad for your business model. Ask Doug Jackson how that worked out for him.

    Just the way it looks from out of the gun slits here at the well armed bunker complex.

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  8. Sue ???

    Sue ???

    Anyone who believes a single word that comes out of ANY “autosurf” is asking for trouble.

    As for suing, AVGA (or any “autosurf” for that matter) is never, ever going to sue anyone or anything.

    These guys may appear to be stupid, but even they wouldn’t dare put themselves anywhere near a court buiding, much less a judge.

    There is one cardinal rule when dealing with a HYIP ponzi “autosurf”

    “Believe NONE of what you “hear” and only half of what you “see”

    Just as with ASD, there ARE no “contracts” or “subcontractors” no “page views,” no “international advertising company” and no “relationships with major companies”

    There’s nothing more than a handful of people with vivid imaginations, a couple of computers, an internet site and forum and (probably pirated) automatic payout and “rotator” scripts.

    Any tech savvy teenagers could (and do) run “autosurfs” of this size from their bedrooms.

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  9. I, for one, will certainly be looking forward to hearing from Stella of STP on the subject.

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  10. Gregg Evans: Another vendor to blame. Who might be next?

    As for the “our programmer let us down” B/S,

    do a Google on “autosurf scripts” and you’ll see why.

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  11. The programmers are working day and night to get this up to lightning speed. Fast as nascar, and we Will have a nascar soon!

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  12. I don’t know if it means anything, but if you enter “Donna Rougeau adview” in google, one of the hits was her AVG sign up page. That page now says: “Your Sponsor is 0 (7599)” instead of her name.

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  13. LOL Cathy. Almost forgot about the ASD race car.

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  14. At last! A truthful proponent of these scams!

    “…You want to know the real truth, I could give a sh*t less if it’s legal or not…”

    – AVGA defender “joe” on Patrick Pretty’s blog at:
    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/06/is-anybody-home-at-adviewglobal

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  15. alasycia: I wonder which jurisdiction AVGA would sue Syndicate Digital under? Florida, Canada, Panama, Uruguay?Patrick, whilst I agree with you that donna Rougeau is not reponsible for the chaotic state of AVGA, she did advertise herself as an experienced network marketer and, if only for that reason, cannot be considered an innocent. I think it is the same old story – she thought she could get away with it and make some money, before the whole thing collapsed. Only an opinion, but judging fro mthe tone of her posts on the now-defunct AVGA forum, she knew what they were up to, before she got her fingers burnt.

    While I’m not really trying to advocate AVGA I can tell you that Donna is innocent. She wasn’t trying to get away with anything. I’m not at liberty to explain everything to you but I can tell you that everything she said she was trying to do, she was trying to do. I’m talking about a legal advertising company using Syndicate Digital. Now I know you don’t want to believe that because you enjoy bashing way too much but it’s a fact. I can also tell you she left for a very good reason.

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  16. Now I know you don’t want to believe that because you enjoy bashing way too much but it’s a fact.

    I dont enjoy the fact that the AVGA’s of this world are permitted to continue with their convoluted idea of doing business – if that is what you call bashing. I only know about Donna what I have read about her and what she herself has written. I can believe that she wanted to turn AVGA into a legal advertising business, but, she must have understood that making an illegal business legal after the fact would never protect it from ponzi charges or charges of selling unregistered securities. ASD tried to suggest something similar to the Court and it was rejected out.

    I can also tell you she left for a very good reason.

    I’ll bet she did – why dont you share it with us. It might help us see her in a different light.

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  17. Well the original breaking new was short lived. the “blaming” notice has now been sugar coated and replaced as follows

    Member Update

    07/07/2009

    AVGA Members,

    First of all let me say that I am truly sorry for the lack of communication that you as members have experienced in the past. As most of you all know the communication between AVGA and Syndicate Digital have broken down. Because of this happening at such a late hour on Thursday afternoon we thought it best to cancel the corporate call. We have been working diligently over the past 5 days to move forward from this sudden development. In the next few weeks you will see changes in AVGA and I can assure you that the only direction that Ad View Global Association will be going is up. I would like to thank all of our members for your continued support even when it is so hard to do we must keep the faith. Always remember, many of the greatest achievements of the world were accomplished by tired and discouraged people who kept working.

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  18. Her father really is dying and is expected to pass soon!! She is and was tired and had been sick withthe flu and going on 2-4 hours sleep for a month. She worked days on end to do the new website that had apparently been botched by the previous contractor. She set up all the new management, accounting, shopping carts and product for AVGA. She became the spokeswoman who was on every call at all hours. Her business with Syndicate Digital was being neglected. And her personal relationships have suffered. All that said, at the end of the day, she walkled away from AVGA because the agreemnent was not right for her. It’s her business…her choice, and of course AVGA was a factor. I think she will do it herself someday when her life is less burdened. Just my opinion.

    alasycia: I can also tell you she left for a very good reason.
    I’ll bet she did – why dont you share it with us. It might help us see her in a different light.

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  19. Well Correction, if she puts all that terrific energy into a business that has a legal foundation and a great product from the offset, instead of trying to do the same with a business shrouded in secrecy and of the dubious legality of AVGA, I am sure she will have a great success.

    I send her all my sympathy for the troubled time she must be having with her family situation and hope that next time she chooses better business associates.

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  20. And, please tell me..her father was not dying a month ago when she signed on with AVGA? She has no other employee’s in her business who could have helped her with this daunting task of re-doing, obviously, EVERYTHING from the ground up with AVGA?? Sounds like she very much bit off more than she bargained for! I am truly sorry about her father..one never gets over loosing a wonderful Daddy…

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  21. The only excuse they haven’t used is Michael Jackson’s death. I’m surprised AVG hasn’t announced that they had an exclusive deal with him but, sadly, he passed away. But they still might…..

    alasycia: I wonder who they will blame next, when the whole of AVGA finally collapses.The Government, the members, the subcontractors, hostile “press” have all had their turn.I guess that only leaveds the little green men in their space ships.

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  22. All this talk of negotiations breaking down, etc, etc, are nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Initially, George & Judy floated this trial balloon: “The split occurred after a lengthy conversation between the two parties regarding liability and accountability for AVGA.” Now call me an idiot, as joe does, but these are issues you resolve before you agree to join forces, not after you start working together. But then they contradict themselves within the same breaking news story with this statement: “The negotiations broke down while negotiating a new management and consultant contract.” So which is it? It can’t be both.

    It seems neither of these two stories within their initial update was going over so well, they then removed it, and posted the new comments. If this one doesn’t fly, then expect a new updated update from the previous update that didn’t work to appear.

    As has already been pointed out, if Donna was the sole person of Syndicated Digital, then there is no way she should have taken on AVGA with her family issues she was facing. While it is truly sad of the pending death of her father, I still think there is more to this story than is being told.

    I guess AVGA thinks they get to keep doing do-overs until they get a story that is believed by most of the members. The fat lady is about to sing the final aria. They just keep lowering the curtain in an attempt to keep her from singing; but singing she will do and soon.

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  23. alasycia quoting today’s AVG replacement announcement on the Syndicate Digital matter: even when it is so hard to do we must keep the faith. Always remember, many of the greatest achievements of the world were accomplished by tired and discouraged people who kept working.

    Yes, platitudes.

    Famous moments in ASD history:

    “We need to have an attitude of gratitude with God. And I always say, ‘Thank you, God, for developing me into a money magnet.’ And I see myself as a money magnet in attracting money and, I say, attracting large sums of money.” — Andy Bowdoin, May 31, 2008

    “See a big check coming in from AdSurfDaily. I signed a check the other day, about $22,000. See those checks like that coming for you constantly, just flowing to you.” — Andy Bowdoin, May 31, 2008

    “. . . Constitutional right to not testify if compelled to appear at the hearing.” — ASD advises the court Andy Bowdoin will take the 5th Amendment at the Sept. 30-Oct. 1 evidentiary hearing ASD itself asked for, Sept. 24, 2008

    “too honest” to testify. — Surf’s Up member assessing Andy Bowdoin’s decision to take the 5th

    “I have not been able to say anything to anyone about this but the fight with ASD is just beginning. Tuesday I found out that my bank account was seized by the [S]ecret [S]ervice along with 3 others, that is all I know about but after the [S]ecret [S]ervice called me there are more to come. I can’t tell you how this has affected me. There was no notification whatsoever. They just took it.

    “If you took any money from ASD and it is in a bank account, get it out!!!!!!!” — ASD promoter, Feb. 26, 2009, 25 days after AVG’s formal launch

    “Thanks for spending $800,000 on attorneys that you could have used to pay your members back with!! Andy will blow all this money if he can instead of returning it to the members who he scammed!” — Surf’s Up poster, criticizing Andy Bowdoin

    “You’re an idiot!!!” — Surf’s Up poster, defending Andy Bowdoin and criticizing poster above

    “The negotiations broke down . . .” — AVG’s first bid today to explain the Syndicate Digital matter

    “. . . the communication between AVGA and Syndicate Digital have broken down.” — AVG’s second bid today to explain the Syndicate Digital matter

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  24. I find it very hard to believe that a person with as extensive a background in internet marketing as Donna Rougeau would never have heard of autosurf programs before. There are so many fraudulent money making opportunities out there that any marketing professional worth their salt is pretty much forced to develop what could be called “due diligence” skills. Hell just typing the names George and Judy Harris into google could tell a legitimate buisness person not to associate with them and why.

    Perhaps every other buisness endeavor Miss Rougeau has entered into has been completely legitimate but becoming the spokesperson for a ponzi scam is a laps of judgment that should give caution to anyone considering hiring her as a “life coach.” And this assumes she didn’t know what kind of fraud she was forever tying her name to.

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  25. GD,

    Right you are!!!! If Donna has any shred of credibility, or should be the recipient of any shred of sympathy, she should come on here and other forums and say “I was duped by the Harris’s. AVG is, was, and always will be a Ponzi scheme. I am sorryy, my mistake, and I will endeavor in the future to be an educator on these internet scams.” If she fails to do this, she forever joins the ranks of the Ponzi who**s and deserved to be tarred all over the internet forever with this linkage. She must know by know the depths of the AVG fraud (or else is stupid beyond belief — which I doubt, too much almost-clever evasiveness when she answered my posted questions — and of course, being stupid beyond belief is not good for business either). So Donna, which is it, contrition or a life as a Ponzi **ore??? Your friends here can pass this on to you…..

    PS: Stella’s in there too somewhere…..but she’s already proven to be a serial Ponzi promoter, hopefully Donna will not follow her fellow Canadienne.

    GlimDropper: I find it very hard to believe that a person with as extensive a background in internet marketing as Donna Rougeau would never have heard of autosurf programs before. There are so many fraudulent money making opportunities out there that any marketing professional worth their salt is pretty much forced to develop what could be called “due diligence” skills. Hell just typing the names George and Judy Harris into google could tell a legitimate buisness person not to associate with them and why.Perhaps every other buisness endeavor Miss Rougeau has entered into has been completely legitimate but becoming the spokesperson for a ponzi scam is a laps of judgment that should give caution to anyone considering hiring her as a “life coach.” And this assumes she didn’t know what kind of fraud she was forever tying her name to.

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  26. Lynndel Edgington: All this talk of negotiations breaking down, etc, etc, are nothing more than smoke and mirrors.Initially, George & Judy floated this trial balloon: “The split occurred after a lengthy conversation between the two parties regarding liability and accountability for AVGA.”Now call me an idiot, as joe does, but these are issues you resolve before you agree to join forces, not after you start working together.But then they contradict themselves within the same breaking news story with this statement:“The negotiations broke down while negotiating a new management and consultant contract.”So which is it?It can’t be both.It seems neither of these two stories within their initial update was going over so well, they then removed it, and posted the new comments.If this one doesn’t fly, then expect a new updated update from the previous update that didn’t work to appear.As has already been pointed out, if Donna was the sole person of Syndicated Digital, then there is no way she should have taken on AVGA with her family issues she was facing.While it is truly sad of the pending death of her father, I still think there is more to this story than is being told.I guess AVGA thinks they get to keep doing do-overs until they get a story that is believed by most of the members.The fat lady is about to sing the final aria.They just keep lowering the curtain in an attempt to keep her from singing; but singing she will do and soon.

    Ok Lynn, now you see you really don’t know what you’re talking about.Sometimes I don’t even know the answers to some things and I read the stuff you guys put up and just wonder but this time I know for sure and it proves a point about all of these theories you come up with. Some of them even sound half intelligent so you might wonder just like this one but this time I happen to know. It was during negotiations that things broke down but maybe they said it a little differently at first and you jump all over it, any excuse will do. There is one other thing that happened and I’m not at liberty to say what it is and if that makes you think I’m lying so be it. In that regard you were on the right track as to there being more to it. You’re not going to figure it out and I won’t tell you but I’m pointing out that you do a lot of speculating which makes me realize you do it all the time and so now when i think of things you’ve posted that sound feasible it is probably 99% speculation but hey, it gives you something to do.

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  27. Building on earlier comments,AVG’s remarks are nothing more than sand thrown in the face of the AVG naive and faithful. NOTHING could be clearer than the fact that AVG knows nothing about contract law.

    All contracts have 3 required elements: an offer from the seller, a “mirror image” acceptance of the sellers offer by the buyer, and consideration of value (usually cash payments to the seller). If the buyer’s acceptance is not a “mirror image of the seller’s offer” then the buyer isn’t “accepting” the contract at all — he/she is making a counter-offer. Upon receipt of a counter-offer, negotiations continue or break off totally, but there has never been a contract to be enforced — or services for a company like Syndicate Digital to be responsible for “completing.”

    For AVG to make these statements reveals the extent of their ignorance:

    “Negotiations between the owners of AVGA and Syndicate Digital broke down Thursday afternoon,” AVG told members.

    “Syndicate Digital was a sub contractor hired to do a specific job and there is some dispute as to whether or not they have completed their contract with AVGA,” the company said.

    Absolutely ridiculous. Donna could walk away for no better reason that she felt like it. AVG assumes “We’re gonna sue” is a rallying cry their investors, or page impression buyers, understand, and AVG also assumes the same people are too ignorant to realize that AVG is spouting legal mumbo-jumbo that explains NOTHING.

    BEFORE there is a binding contract, threats of lawsuits of any kind are total nonsense. They couldn’t get in any court in the World saying they are suing over services that weren’t performed because of failed negotiations. Stop a minute: In Arby’s Court, that may make sense; otherwise, no.

    AFTER there is a binding contract, references to on-going negotiations are total nonsense. Either party can sue the other for breach of contract, but only after the breaching party has been given an opportunity to cure, i.e. to bring their performance in line with the specific terms and conditions of the contract. But if “negotiations broke down” then there is NO binding contract; no grounds to sue. Blame Syndicate Digital? Sure — that’s what AVG does best — they were weaned on the blame game. But blaming doesn’t have the same forceful cache as Andy’s famous line: We’ll sue them. Which must be motivating AVG now.

    Listening to one word put out by AVG is nothing more than the triumph of hope over sanity and reality. Believing in AVG is total insanity; people will realize it now or later — but they’ll realize it whether they admit it or not.

    Here is what AVG hopes their investors will never read:

    “No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. People can easily be persuaded to accept the most inferior ideas or useless products.” H. L. Mencken; 20th Century American Journalist, The Baltimore Sun.

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  28. If anyone has a few (squillion) spare minutes, they might like to employ them researching just how many HYIP ponzi “autosurfs” have:

    a) Made threats to “take someone to court”

    b) Actually “taken someone to court”

    c) Instigated legal proceedings of ANY kind on behalf of their company.

    d) Actually consulted a lawyer about the possibility of “taking someone to court”

    e) Sued for “slander,””libel” “badmouthing,””cussing” or spreading untruths, inaccuracies or even downright lies about them.

    f) Actually appeared in court on behalf of their particular “scam du jour” for ANY reason (other than following prosecution, of course)

    Any mention of ANY sort of relationship between a HYIP ponzi “autosurf” and the legal system (outside of prosecution} is just more smoke and mirrors.

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  29. littleroundman: If anyone has a few (squillion) spare minutes, they might like to employ them researching just how many HYIP ponzi “autosurfs” have:a) Made threats to “take someone to court”b) Actually “taken someone to court”c) Instigated legal proceedings of ANY kind on behalf of their company.d) Actually consulted a lawyer about the possibility of “taking someone to court”e) Sued for “slander,””libel” “badmouthing,””cussing” or spreading untruths, inaccuracies or even downright lies about them.f) Actually appeared in court on behalf of their particular “scam du jour” for ANY reason (other than following prosecution, of course)Any mention of ANY sort of relationship between a HYIP ponzi “autosurf” and the legal system (outside of prosecution} is just more smoke and mirrors..

    The only one that remotely comes close to this is Larry Friedman and he backed down, much to the chagrin of RLG, when he found out how stupid he made himself look. One could argue he was not running a Ponzi but the ASDMBA followed the same money in, nothing back for ordinary folks business plan.

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  30. DB, you took the words out of my mouth. lol I was going to mention Messrs. Friedman and Guenther, but then thought better of it. I dont think that one counts as there were no real legal fees involved, as far as we are aware.

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  31. http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=205505,00.html?portlet=7

    Here is the Ponzi site for the US gov’t. What to do.

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  32. Hi Marci,

    Marci: Stop a minute: In Arby’s Court, that may make sense; otherwise, no.

    Readers looking for background on the so-called “Arby’s Indians” can find some here:

    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/02/07/genesis-of-the-utah-indian-cases-and-why-they-could-spell-bad-news-for-asd-members/

    There is a “food” tie to the tribe beyond Arby’s. The tribe used the address of a doughnut shop as the address of its “Supreme Court.”

    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/02/08/picture-story-hailed-a-hero-by-surfs-up-and-adviewglobal-forums-will-curtis-richmond-save-the-day-for-adsurfdaily-inc-faithful/

    Some more background here:

    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/02/27/two-new-motions-to-intervene-filed-in-asd-case/

    And more background:

    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/03/03/purported-joe-shoop-asd-letter-was-on-website-registered-to-litigant-who-sued-chase-bank-by-posting-bond-of-twenty-one-dollars-in-silver-coinage/

    Patrick

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  33. joe:

    Lynndel Edgington: All this talk of negotiations breaking down, etc, etc, are nothing more than smoke and mirrors.Initially, George & Judy floated this trial balloon: “The split occurred after a lengthy conversation between the two parties regarding liability and accountability for AVGA.”Now call me an idiot, as joe does, but these are issues you resolve before you agree to join forces, not after you start working together.But then they contradict themselves within the same breaking news story with this statement:“The negotiations broke down while negotiating a new management and consultant contract.”So which is it?It can’t be both.It seems neither of these two stories within their initial update was going over so well, they then removed it, and posted the new comments.If this one doesn’t fly, then expect a new updated update from the previous update that didn’t work to appear.As has already been pointed out, if Donna was the sole person of Syndicated Digital, then there is no way she should have taken on AVGA with her family issues she was facing.While it is truly sad of the pending death of her father, I still think there is more to this story than is being told.I guess AVGA thinks they get to keep doing do-overs until they get a story that is believed by most of the members.The fat lady is about to sing the final aria.They just keep lowering the curtain in an attempt to keep her from singing; but singing she will do and soon.

    Ok Lynn, now you see you really don’t know what you’re talking about.Sometimes I don’t even know the answers to some things and I read the stuff you guys put up and just wonder but this time I know for sure and it proves a point about all of these theories you come up with. Some of them even sound half intelligent so you might wonder just like this one but this time I happen to know. It was during negotiations that things broke down but maybe they said it a little differently at first and you jump all over it, any excuse will do. There is one other thing that happened and I’m not at liberty to say what it is and if that makes you think I’m lying so be it. In that regard you were on the right track as to there being more to it. You’re not going to figure it out and I won’t tell you but I’m pointing out that you do a lot of speculating which makes me realize you do it all the time and so now when i think of things you’ve posted that sound feasible it is probably 99% speculation but hey, it gives you something to do.

    Actually, Lynndel is close. This board is full of speculation on what went on. Did any of you ever consider the fact that the negotiation statement may have had nothing to do with the original contract ( most of them have term limits). Geesh it is possible they may have been negotiating an entirely new contract??? Hmmm

    And as far as contract fulfillment goes, well I have heard through the grapevine that Donna Rougeau/Syndicate Digital boasted about how they were the best and made promises (verbally) they never lived up to.When the rubber met the road the other AVGA Was left with one very very expensive website minus all of the training materials, presentations and products /services they were promised and paid for. What little amatuerish stuff Donna and Syndicate did for AVGA they took out before they left. ( not my words) It really doesn’t matter what the business was they had the contract with they never finished the job. It was unprofessional and unethical. From what I have been told, I would use a great deal of caution in dealing with this company and make sure you get an airtight contract or RUN!!

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  34. CORRECTION!: Her father really is dying and is expected to pass soon!! She is and was tired and had been sick withthe flu and going on 2-4 hours sleep for a month. She worked days on end to do the new website that had apparently been botched by the previous contractor. She set up all the new management, accounting, shopping carts and product for AVGA. She became the spokeswoman who was on every call at all hours. Her business with Syndicate Digital was being neglected. And her personal relationships have suffered. All that said, at the end of the day, she walkled away from AVGA because the agreemnent was not right for her. It’s her business…her choice, and of course AVGA was a factor. I think she will do it herself someday when her life is less burdened. Just my opinion.

    alasycia: I can also tell you she left for a very good reason.I’ll bet she did – why dont you share it with us. It might help us see her in a different light.

    So if she did all that where is it now? When she walked away I am told she took everything she did with her…except the website. Welched on the deal…baaaaaaad business practice.

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  35. Aggie:

    joe:

    Lynndel Edgington: All this talk of negotiations breaking down, etc, etc, are nothing more than smoke and mirrors.Initially, George & Judy floated this trial balloon: “The split occurred after a lengthy conversation between the two parties regarding liability and accountability for AVGA.”Now call me an idiot, as joe does, but these are issues you resolve before you agree to join forces, not after you start working together.But then they contradict themselves within the same breaking news story with this statement:“The negotiations broke down while negotiating a new management and consultant contract.”So which is it?It can’t be both.It seems neither of these two stories within their initial update was going over so well, they then removed it, and posted the new comments.If this one doesn’t fly, then expect a new updated update from the previous update that didn’t work to appear.As has already been pointed out, if Donna was the sole person of Syndicated Digital, then there is no way she should have taken on AVGA with her family issues she was facing.While it is truly sad of the pending death of her father, I still think there is more to this story than is being told.I guess AVGA thinks they get to keep doing do-overs until they get a story that is believed by most of the members.The fat lady is about to sing the final aria.They just keep lowering the curtain in an attempt to keep her from singing; but singing she will do and soon.

    Ok Lynn, now you see you really don’t know what you’re talking about.Sometimes I don’t even know the answers to some things and I read the stuff you guys put up and just wonder but this time I know for sure and it proves a point about all of these theories you come up with. Some of them even sound half intelligent so you might wonder just like this one but this time I happen to know. It was during negotiations that things broke down but maybe they said it a little differently at first and you jump all over it, any excuse will do. There is one other thing that happened and I’m not at liberty to say what it is and if that makes you think I’m lying so be it. In that regard you were on the right track as to there being more to it. You’re not going to figure it out and I won’t tell you but I’m pointing out that you do a lot of speculating which makes me realize you do it all the time and so now when i think of things you’ve posted that sound feasible it is probably 99% speculation but hey, it gives you something to do.

    Actually, Lynndel is close. This board is full of speculation on what went on. Did any of you ever consider the fact that the negotiation statement may have had nothing to do with the original contract ( most of them have term limits). Geesh it is possible they may have been negotiating an entirely new contract??? HmmmAnd as far as contract fulfillment goes, well I have heard through the grapevine that Donna Rougeau/Syndicate Digital boasted about how they were the best and made promises (verbally) they never lived up to.When the rubber met the road the other AVGA Was left withone very very expensive website minus all of the training materials, presentations and products /services they were promised and paid for. What little amatuerish stuff Donna and Syndicate did for AVGA they took out before they left. ( not my words) It really doesn’t matter what the business was they had the contract with they never finished the job. It was unprofessional and unethical. From what I have been told, I would use a great deal of caution in dealing with this company and make sure you get an airtight contract or RUN!!

    You also have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t care about your rumor. I know the real facts involved and I can’t and won’t say. I would be betraying a confidence if I did. Donna more than finished what she was contracted to do by the way, it just kills me reading all of this speculating bullshit that comes from all of you. You try to pretend you know what’s happening and you have no clue, you say it as if you know and you really don’t. The things I know about this aren’t known by most in AVGA much less here on this cyberrag. It had nothing to do with Donna finishing or nor finishing her contract, there was never a question about that but you don’t know that, you just spout horseshit. It was an entirely different matter and she left because she wasn’t made aware of it until Thursday and that’s all I’m saying.

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  36. joe:

    Aggie:

    joe:

    Lynndel Edgington: All this talk of negotiations breaking down, etc, etc, are nothing more than smoke and mirrors.Initially, George & Judy floated this trial balloon: “The split occurred after a lengthy conversation between the two parties regarding liability and accountability for AVGA.”Now call me an idiot, as joe does, but these are issues you resolve before you agree to join forces, not after you start working together.But then they contradict themselves within the same breaking news story with this statement:“The negotiations broke down while negotiating a new management and consultant contract.”So which is it?It can’t be both.It seems neither of these two stories within their initial update was going over so well, they then removed it, and posted the new comments.If this one doesn’t fly, then expect a new updated update from the previous update that didn’t work to appear.As has already been pointed out, if Donna was the sole person of Syndicated Digital, then there is no way she should have taken on AVGA with her family issues she was facing.While it is truly sad of the pending death of her father, I still think there is more to this story than is being told.I guess AVGA thinks they get to keep doing do-overs until they get a story that is believed by most of the members.The fat lady is about to sing the final aria.They just keep lowering the curtain in an attempt to keep her from singing; but singing she will do and soon.

    Ok Lynn, now you see you really don’t know what you’re talking about.Sometimes I don’t even know the answers to some things and I read the stuff you guys put up and just wonder but this time I know for sure and it proves a point about all of these theories you come up with. Some of them even sound half intelligent so you might wonder just like this one but this time I happen to know. It was during negotiations that things broke down but maybe they said it a little differently at first and you jump all over it, any excuse will do. There is one other thing that happened and I’m not at liberty to say what it is and if that makes you think I’m lying so be it. In that regard you were on the right track as to there being more to it. You’re not going to figure it out and I won’t tell you but I’m pointing out that you do a lot of speculating which makes me realize you do it all the time and so now when i think of things you’ve posted that sound feasible it is probably 99% speculation but hey, it gives you something to do.

    Actually, Lynndel is close. This board is full of speculation on what went on. Did any of you ever consider the fact that the negotiation statement may have had nothing to do with the original contract ( most of them have term limits). Geesh it is possible they may have been negotiating an entirely new contract??? HmmmAnd as far as contract fulfillment goes, well I have heard through the grapevine that Donna Rougeau/Syndicate Digital boasted about how they were the best and made promises (verbally) they never lived up to.When the rubber met the road the other AVGA Was left withone very very expensive website minus all of the training materials, presentations and products /services they were promised and paid for. What little amatuerish stuff Donna and Syndicate did for AVGA they took out before they left. ( not my words) It really doesn’t matter what the business was they had the contract with they never finished the job. It was unprofessional and unethical. From what I have been told, I would use a great deal of caution in dealing with this company and make sure you get an airtight contract or RUN!!

    You also have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t care about your rumor. I know the real facts involved and I can’t and won’t say. I would be betraying a confidence if I did. Donna more than finished what she was contracted to do by the way, it just kills me reading all of this speculating bullshit that comes from all of you. You try to pretend you know what’s happening and you have no clue, you say it as if you know and you really don’t. The things I know about this aren’t known by most in AVGA much less here on this cyberrag. It had nothing to do with Donna finishing or nor finishing her contract, there was never a question about that but you don’t know that, you just spout horseshit. It was an entirely different matter and she left because she wasn’t made aware of it until Thursday and that’s all I’m saying.

    And I am saying you have been lied to…..I do know what I am talking about…rumors are sometimes based in truth and you are seriously deluding yourself if you think otherwise.I assume you are believing something Donna Rougeau told you and thus far her history, from my observations dictates she is not a very honest person. Let me ask you, have you seen the contract?? Do you have a clue about what most web services contracts contain?? Unless the contract you claim was completed and agreed to said “we agree to give you a whole bunch of stuff and then take it back” your statement is questionable at the very least. Get angry all you want but the facts will speak for themselves. She and her company left 19000 people high and dry after making a multitude of claims and promises publicly. If you do not believe it go look at the site, it speaks for itself if you know what you are looking at.
    And in the end, did the contract contain any sort of breach of contract language? My guess is no. So any excuse is better than none to get up and leave when you are in over your head and can’t deliver on your promises.

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  37. Can you guy’s make up your minds. For us simple outsiders, AVGA seems to be run in a very odd way for a legal advertising company, and on top of that, Ms. Rougeau and Syndicate Digital was a curious choice, if it was intended to provide the enormous revenue needed to meet the AVGA (unguaranteed) liabilities.

    You both claim to have the inside track on AVGA, but so far no one has answered any of the serious questions put to them on this board that mind stop people thinking it is a scam.

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  38. joe: The things I know about this aren’t known by most in AVGA much less here on this cyberrag.

    So, joe, with all due respect, why do you bother to come here and argue? Even if you really do know the “truth”, but aren’t at liberty to share it, I suspect you won’t find any “buyers” here based upon unsupported arguments.

    Bring facts – with documentation – and maybe you’ll change some people’s minds. Not to do so means you are wasting your time – and ours – with your posts.
    Or so it seems to me.

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