Reports: BizAdSplash Slow On Payouts To Surf Members

UPDATED 6:04 P.M. EDT (U.S.A.) Could BizAdSplash (BAS), a surf site associated with Golden Panda Ad Builder President Clarence Busby, be following Golden Panda, AdSurfDaily and AdViewGlobal (AVG) into the great autosurf graveyard?

Busby recently ceded $14 million to the U.S. government as part of the ASD investigation.

There are reports today that BAS is behind on payments to members. In the recent past, the BAS surf site has been offline for an extended period of time. The surf also urged members not to contact vendors associated with its use of MasterCard with any questions about the BAS program.

On May 13,  BAS, which purports to be registered in Panama, registered Articles of Organization as a Limited Liability Company (LLC) in Georgia. The surf used an address at UPS Store No. 2644 in Kennesaw, Ga., as its mailing address.

Why the company purports to be headquartered in both Panama and Georgia is unclear. Some BAS promoters advised customers to send checks and money orders to the Georgia address and to note their BAS usernames and member names on the checks and money orders.

Joyce Haws, listed in court documents as one of the founding members of Golden Panda Ad Builder, recently was involved in pro se litigation in the ASD/Golden Panda forfeiture case.

A federal judge ruled last week that the pro se litigants who tried to intervene in the forfeiture case had no standing.

Although BAS said it recently did away with bank wires, it says it accepts personal checks, business checks and money orders, along with  accepting money from offshore processors AlertPay, StrictPay and SolidTrustPay.

On its website, BAS does not identify its management team. But its Georgia filings identify Clarence Busby as registered agent.

Visitors to the BAS website read that it is “an international corporation which functions by utilizing a team of business professionals who are using their expertise and experience to build a successful company. Many of our professionals have additional involvements so to avoid conflicts of interest we do have some non disclosures in place to protect their privacy.”

In the recent past, the surf has used matching bonus programs to entice new business.

AVG, which debuted online after the BAS launch, recently announced the suspension of member cashouts and mandatory participation in an 80/20 program should cashouts resume. Like BAS, AVG also used matching-bonus programs. AVG said it lost at least one wire account because members had wired too many transactions in excess of $9,500.

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57 Responses to “Reports: BizAdSplash Slow On Payouts To Surf Members”

  1. Ah Yes,

    The confidential disclosure thing…….BAS certainly wouldn’t want prospective members/victims to know who is behind BAS and the criminal records of those people, not to mention the serial scamming track record of those folks. Real companies, and certainly public companies disclose who is running the show. Maybe Steve Watt, a strong promoter of the BAS scam (and previously, a strong proponent of the ASD scam — gee, maybe he’s a serial promote???) would care to comment…..

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  2. I am just glad that all these ASD clones have learned what not to do from their ASD/Golden Panda debacle, and are being run by professionals. I think the government should let all of these implode on their own, and then let’s see what the excuses are and who they blame for their demise.

    Actually I do know who they will blame. It will be the members fault for not bringing enough people into the program to make it successful.

    Sure will be interesting to see if the “Players” in ASD/Golden Panda are charged criminally what will happen to all these clones. Hope Steve has a good attorney, or is looking for one.

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  3. Good thing this is run by professionals. I’d hate to think what would happen if amateurs were running the show…..

    Seriously, I hope the serial promoters have their bank accounts seized, their houses sold at auction and every possession sold from under them in order to compensate those who genuinely, but naively, believed they were in a legitimate advertising program. Once the serial promoters wind up with “strikes” for each of these programs they have participated in, it should put a damper on this “industry”.

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  4. Entertained: proponent

    Sure Entertained, I’ll comment.

    What is there to say really? It’s all just a game. kenny Rogers said it best,”You got to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em. Know when to walk away, and know when to run. You never count your money, when you’re sittin’ at the table. There’ll be time enough for countin’, when the dealin’s done.”

    The deals over and I’m broke!

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  5. Lynndel Edgington: Sure will be interesting to see if the “Players” in ASD/Golden Panda are charged criminally what will happen to all these clones. Hope Steve has a good attorney, or is looking for one.

    “Players” in ASD/Golden Panda? Excuse me? I was never a player, I was a member of ASD only. I joined 1 week before they shut down..The only downline I had in ASD was my father… If your looking for players, your looking at the wrong person. The database will show the “Players” I know of bunch of them, but it’s rude to give out names. It’s kinda like finger pointing. The only attorney I need is a good bankruptcy attorney… I am looking thanks..

    Steve

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  6. Steve:

    Talk to Bob as I am sure he can point you to some of his Bankruptcy Attorneys as he has played in that field a bunch.

    Good Luck!

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  7. Clarence Busby, or should I say Reverend Clarence Busby, father of Dawn Stowers, Head of PR for AdSurfDaily and latterly co-owner of Golden Panda.

    It seems as if Clarence, who involved his friends from his church community in Golden Panda with promises that he didnt keep, has forgotten the 8th and 9th Commandments

    Thou shall not steal

    Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbour (i.e. lie)

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  8. Steve,

    You may not have been a player in ASD a<d you and your father may not have lost any money you coulnt afford to lose. But what about all those others who lost far more than they should have ever invested in ASD, because of the assurances of the ASD Players and the Company itself.?

    You have had access to more information than most and even understand that AVGA might not be the best deal on earth. Please then would you explain why you, from your pressent position of influence as the owner of The Joy Luck Club Site, are promoting at least two schemes with the same business model, neither of which have demonstrated outside income sufficient to pay members, without dipping into the money paid in by them?

    You might not have been a player before, but you certainly have become one now. It is not only the integrity of the owners of these schemes that counts, it is also the legality and sustainability of their business models and the two you promote have neither. Knowing what you know, how can you justify this change of heart?

    I am sorry to hear that you are looking to file for bancrupcy, but for heavens sake man, with all your knowledge, you should know that if it looks to good to be true, it probably is too good to be true.

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  9. Steve, let’s make this plain, you are a serial promoter of ponzi and pyramid schemes. And while I take no particular joy in your financial misfortunes I do find myself wondering if you have in fact learned anything during your year long crime spree. Is “crime spree” too harsh a characterization? It’s perhaps a bit too dramatic but you have no reason to claim that you didn’t know that the “programs” your were promoting were illegal, unethical and unsustainable. But you were nothing but eager to trade your good name for a quick buck, yet somehow you claim to be going broke.

    I could deride you for being an inept scammer but what purpose would that serve? I’m pretty solidly “anti-scam” so perhaps I’m looking for something of a “conversion story” here. You’ve traded every ounce of good faith you ever generated as an “honest broker” of news about ASD to promote not only other scams but actually the exact same type scam that ASD was. Conventional wisdom is the only reason someone would lie and cheat like you did is to steal other peoples money. But you claim to be running out of money.

    So do you regret helping to steal other people’s money or do you only regret not being good enough at stealing others people’s money as to make a living at it?

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  10. GlimDropper: Steve, you are a serial promoter of ponzi and pyramid schemes. I do find myself wondering if you have in fact learned anything during your year long crime spree. Is “crime spree” too harsh a characterization?

    I found your glass eye GD! It seems to have bounced right into the toilet.. I’ll get it for you GD! *flushes the toilet instead*
    GlimDropper, you are an accusatory serial poster of unsubstantiated facts and grossly hypercritical without warrant.
    Have I learned anything from my long crime spree? I’m not a criminal therefore, “crime spree” is unwarrented and unjustified.

    If you truly wanted to help people GD, you wouldn’t be sitting on the fence in here, you would proactive and dedicated.However, because of your lazziness, you point your finger at people instead of getting up off your ass and taking a stand. You are simply a follower and not a leader.But with only one eye, I see you must follow others to avoid becoming lost.

    Steve

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  11. Steve, that is a ridiculous comment about GD and a very evasive answer to boot.

    GD, along with many people here, is very proactive in the field of warning people about scams and helping to stop them. And there are many more scams around outside the ASD family circle. I dont know where you get the idea he is a follower or lazy.

    You hvae been asked why you are now promoting scams of the same basic model as ASD and AVGA, knowing what you now know. Why dont you just answer the question?

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  12. It is obvious that the only motivation people have for promoting these scams is greed. Selfish greed.

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  13. alasycia,

    My point being is that Glimdropper needs to promote his or her beliefs by getting involved with running a website, becoming proactive in the scam world, form an anti scam group or compaign, write his or her congressmen, etc. Instead of hiding behind a pseudo handle. Whenever, a person hides behind a make believe name, it surely makes me wonder about that person….

    Steve

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  14. alasycia,

    I’m not promoting anything any longer.

    Steve

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  15. Steve: alasycia,I’m not promoting anything any longer. Steve

    This is the equivalent of saying “I don’t rob banks anymore, so therefore I am not a bank robber.”

    The point being you have promoted these scam programs. You don’t get a free pass because you no longer do so. Maybe you should retrieve that glass eye you flushed down the toilet, and use it to take a good long hard look at your past actions. I didn’t know it was a scam is no defense, especially when you promote it on your website. You have a far higher degree of responsibility to do your due diligence than those reading your website.

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  16. Steve: I’m not promoting anything any longer.

    *cough* G.D.I *cough*

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  17. I think you will hve to admit Lynn’s point, Steve. ASD was “first time round” for most of us. But it was also the last time round for those of us who were able to read and learn from the ASD fiasco.

    People like Entertained, Glim D., Lynddel, Gregg, and of course Patrick, amongst others have spent many months and many posts patiently explzaining to us the ASD business model, why it couldn’t be sustainable. They have also explained the current legislation governing this kind of scheme in great detail.

    I am pretty innumerate and fell for the smoke and mirrors of the ASD payplan, but after following everything I can read about ASD, including the SEC sites, and all the Court documents, even I can see that the ASD spin offs and man other autosurfs have the same inherent lack of sustainability and illegality as ASD. How come you cant?

    You did promote Biz Ad Splash – it was NOT your first time round. It is no good turning round afterwards and say “I changed my mind”. The things that are happening (or not happening to be more precise) were all predicted and it was explained to us WHY this could easily happen. Where wre you when they were writing on the same blogs you follow?

    And Ad-Ventures4U? Yes Steve, its still paying, but the fact that it is still paying doesnt change the fact that it is still paying out of new members money, and hasnt imploded yet. It also doesnt change the unregistered Securities issue, which is present with both Biz AdSplahs and AdVenture4U. The advertising does not have the intrinsic value that you pay for it – it only has that value if you receive returns on your investment.

    I wouldn’t worry about the pseudonyms that posters use (Scam hunting is not always the safest of occupations!), but would take more notice of what they say instead. You were warned about Biz AdSplash and there are warnings about AdVentures4U around too. What will you say then? Oops, they are not nice guys after all and I have changed my mind AGAIN?

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  18. Steve, thank you for not promoting any more scams.

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  19. ….I second that comment…..

    GlimDropper: Steve, thank you for not promoting any more scams.

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  20. Lynndel,

    I’m not a bank robber. I am a good natured honest human being. *That glass eye went into the sewer, your going to have to get someone that’s good at digging up shit to recover that* Not looking for a free pass, nor absolution. Shouldn’t you be working on your site Lynndel? It takes alot of work to make it in this business. How many incoming links do you have? Have you given up on it? I know you want your site indexed better in the search engines, and if you spent as much time on your site than you do in here, you’d be ahead of the game.. good luck!

    Tony H,
    GDI, or Global Domains Internation is not a ponzi site. In fact, for 10 bucks a month you actually get your own domain name and can make a site. I think your allowed only 4 pages. So it’s not anything to write home about, but is a viable product good for newbies to web site making…

    thanks for seeing that, you sure you don’t have the glass eye?

    alasycia,
    “People like Entertained, Glim D., Lynddel, Gregg, and of course Patrick, amongst others have spent many months and many posts patiently explzaining to us the ASD business model, why it couldn’t be sustainable. They have also explained the current legislation governing this kind of scheme in great detail.”

    Correction! The only people posting information about ASD was Patrick, Myself, Surf’s Up, and Patrick Moriarty… that’s it! all the other people merely commented…..I’ll add Lynddel in because he does have his own site and did post information… Also, Jack Arons because he got involved with Guenther….but not Entertained, Glim D., nor Gregg… no free ride for them…

    “I am pretty innumerate and fell for the smoke and mirrors of the ASD payplan, but after following everything I can read about ASD, including the SEC sites, and all the Court documents, even I can see that the ASD spin offs and man other autosurfs have the same inherent lack of sustainability and illegality as ASD. How come you cant?”

    How come you cant? I see every single business online a scam. I’m becoming more jaded by the second. By the time I finish this posting I should be full of contempt.

    “You did promote Biz Ad Splash – it was NOT your first time round. It is no good turning round afterwards and say “I changed my mind”. The things that are happening (or not happening to be more precise) were all predicted and it was explained to us WHY this could easily happen.”

    Yes I was promoting BAS, I beleieved in BAS.. it was my second time around…when you beleive in something and work hard at it,you give it all you have… Well, maybe BAS will make it, I don’t know, but either case I’m finished… I never suddenly woke up one morning and changed my mind.

    “Where wre you when they were writing on the same blogs you follow?”
    I never was reading the crap that was spewing out of the mouths of others! You think I followed Surf’s Up, ASD-Biz,or this forum? I would read a few things, but couldn’t handle the Sugar coating information or the blantant hate and finger pointing of the high and mighty little man behind the curtain.. it was a total joke….

    “And Ad-Ventures4U? Yes Steve, its still paying, but the fact that it is still paying doesnt change the fact that it is still paying out of new members money, and hasnt imploded yet. It also doesnt change the unregistered Securities issue, which is present with both Biz AdSplahs and AdVenture4U. The advertising does not have the intrinsic value that you pay for it – it only has that value if you receive returns on your investment.”

    I agree adventures4U will implode, just a matter of time. If anyone likes to gamble here, that would be my pick… I did the Alexa charts on it, and its skyrocketing… its gaining more than 10,000 people a month now. This will be bigger than ASD in 6 months from now….

    Anyone else care to pick me apart?

    Contemptuous Steve

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  21. Steve or should I call you Contemptuous Steve?:

    You could not be more wrong about Entertained, Gregg and GD warning people about ASD. Just because they didn’t post on the Surf’s Up forum does not mean they weren’t warning people. Besides, if you dared post anything contrary to Andy is a saint on the Surf’s Up forum it was deleted in a heartbeat, and no-one saw it. Maybe you should read Gregg’s comments about ASD on Eagle’s website, and you will see what I am talking about. Entertained was warning people early on about ASD on other forums long before Patrick’s blog started on ASD. Guess you forgot his Black Box due diligence piece which was brilliant. Same for GD.

    Just because they didn’t post on the forums you frequented does not mean they did not do so. Besides Patrick Moriarty’s comments on ASD were a joke. So was his filing of a nonprofit corporation claiming they could gain legal standing, saying that Curtis Richmond’s Indian Tribe Pro Se filings were brilliant, to name just a few. I hope you weren’t counting on his comments as doing your due diligence. If so, you are in for a rude surprise, and a fool to boot.

    When you “promote” a company on your website, you are by law bound to do more due diligence than just taking the company’s word for it, or some fake professor. In fact, you must do far more than anyone just ‘promoting’ it. Failure to do so gets you in a lot of hot water, which you may or may not find out. Just don’t count on saying “I didn’t know it was a scam as a defense,” and you won’t get charged. It won’t work.

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  22. Lynndel,

    Please refer to my as Steve, but if you must stoop down to hatred, by all means Contemptuous Steve is just fine.

    “You could not be more wrong about Entertained, Gregg and GD warning people about ASD.”
    I realize they all have pitched in with numerous postings.. My point is this: If a person believes in something truly, they go all out. And I mean all out. They start a web site, they write letters to their congressmen, they get involved with Legislative Action, They form groups, they collect members, they hold meetings…… They don’t point fingers at others and condemn people like they are soulless pieces of scum…

    I didn’t forgot about the blackbox…

    “Just because they didn’t post on the forums you frequented does not mean they did not do so. Besides Patrick Moriarty’s comments on ASD were a joke”

    Patrick Morairty tried more than most ASD members. His comments amused you because you were on the otherside of the playing field. As the opposing comments amused me as well. All I saw was hate being bantered back and forth. I agree, Surf’s Up dished out the sugar coated news very protective of Andy. but the otherside tried to cram the truth down ones’ throat… so niether side was doing a very good job.

    “When you “promote” a company on your website, you are by law bound to do more due diligence than just taking the company’s word for it, or some fake professor.”

    Your wrong there, I mean it sounds like a good idea, but one can promote any program with Google Adsense. So is Google held responsible? No… they are not. They grease the machine instead.
    Why not go after Google then? they are the biggest promoters of any business…
    Fake Proessor? nope… sure he might not have a teaching degree.. granted, but he did teach night school.. He’s an educated man. It’s an endearing term to refer to others by a nick name. Many people call me Doc. Am I a doctor, no…. but it’s endearing nonetheless.

    Steve

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  23. Steve,

    I truly meant what I said. I am very hard on scammers, because of the damage that they cause to innocent victims. I am also quite aware that many of the “victims” are not so innocent. I accept that people are people, and mistakes will be made. I am a huge cheerleader for people who fall prey to professional scammers like Bowdoin (bad scammers starve), and then once they see the light of day, become advocates for positive change and become antiscam. Alasycia and Saint Michael fall into that category, and you too have done a great service by posting truth regarding ASD along with the court filings. To be honest though, I have found your promotion of BAS distasteful, because it is more of the same — just another scam. I had, and still do have, hopes that others, including yourself, will become more of an antiscam advocate. Thus, if true (and I have no reason to believe otherwise), your statement of not promoting more scams makes me hopeful. Many may not like my style, and I probably include too may personal attacks, but from where I sit, trying to bring cold logic and hard data into the discussions, I do get frustrated. My interactions with little joe and others are very frustrating. One asks very simple, fundamental questions concerning, say, AVG, questions that strike to the core of the legality and sustainability of AVG, and not even onc have I ever gotten an answer, not once. Now, I know that there is a reason for no answer — AVG is a pretty obvious Ponzi sceheme, but their evasive answers and personal attacks get tiring (and probably so to you do my shots at you — sorry, they will absolutely 100% stop if you stop promoting garbage like BAS).

    Entertained: ….I second that comment…..

    GlimDropper: Steve, thank you for not promoting any more scams.

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  24. Entertained,

    I’m almost lost for words. Thanks for the adult conversation. I myself see all the programs now as ponzi’s, but I’m not going to start a coalition for program awareness because it’s not my style. People do what they want. They will join them even if they realize they are a ponzi. You can’t save the world. People learn from their mistakes, always have, always will be that way.

    What you can do is start a large coalition of 100 members. try and get government backing for the project. I’m sure, they will be delighted to assist the group helping to stop ponzi’s. All join a suspected start-up ponzi program throughout a 7 day period and fund it randomly from 10 bucks to 100.

    In the meantime, post suspected information on forums, web sites and blogs about the ponzi program. People like to search the internet before they join programs. (this is critical)

    When your ready, call your group to send emails to the payment processor for refunds.. You will get attention, and good chances they will freeze the programmers account. This way no one gets hurt… stop them before they grow.

    I searched the internet for hours on ASD, and nothing… WordPress is free and spiders well with Google. If you want to stop them you can…. Just have to work on it like a regular job…

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  25. Steve:

    In regard to Patrick Moriarty, he did not teach night school. He rented classroom space at the University and held recruitment seminars for his Amway business. Hardly call that teaching night school do you? This is a fact, I know because I was contacted by a student from the University who attended one of his recruitment seminars, as well as confirmed by the University.

    As for your website, you are the one who is responsible for the content on your website, not Google or anyone else. They are either the host or what aids driving traffic to your website. They cannot dictate what you have on your website unless it violates their terms of service, either as a host or in adwords.

    In regard to what you suggested, that is what Eagle is doing, although in a different format. We have made significant progress in our quest to educate the public, as well as assist law enforcement agencies worldwide to help shut down these illegal companies. We just can’t be everywhere at once, but we do shut down as many as we can. It does take time to get the “goods” on the bad guys, and for law enforcement to investigate and take action.

    I too am glad to hear that you have stopped promoting these type of scams.

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  26. My real name is out there, anyone with any skills (well, anyone besides Bob Guenther) can find out who I am. But let me tell you why I don’t use it on blogs and forums. When 12DP crashed, I was astounded at the numbers. Charis Johnson ran $500,000,000 through that scam in a a few months, and had a balance of $50,000,000 when they shut it down. Vary soon after that, I was involved in getting CEP closed down, and read some pretty threatening things written to and about me. Not that I think it’s a very serious threat, but fact is people will in fact kill you over half a billion dollars. So I decided that I’d take at least some effort to make myself less obvious.

    As to your comments to “do something”, I do. You have no idea what I do, besides being a general naysaying smart ass, I do the kind of due diligence that the players in the industry should be doing, and providing that research to law enforcement in ways that actually lead to them getting involved. Contrary to your belief that authorities are eager to get involved, I think you’re badly misinformed. It’s not that they don’t care, but the fact is they have limited resources and these schemes are really a problem for most of them because of both the time and money involved in going after them, the jurisdictional conflicts they present, and often no local confluence of victim and criminal, it’s hard for the local and state authorities to get much traction and the federal agencies frankly have other fish to fry most of the time. Eagle Research’s most valuable function is to gather a lot of the preliminary information and provide that to law enforcement so a lot of the leg work investigation is done for them. People don’t realize that any government investigation moves at it’s own pace, and it’s slow. It may take years for a typical case to move to conclusion, ASD was actually brutally quick. Just because most of what I or others do is NOT visible on forums doesn’t mean important work is not getting done, it’s just that the bulk of it is not anything most people will ever see. My naturally friendly chat room disposition aside, I think I and others are doing good work. And while I’m on it, I freely admit I’m not a nice person in regards to scammers. First I hardly think anyone stealing millions of dollars deserves much courtesy, and also, making fools of them and their efforts to dupe the public erodes what credibility they have, which may do something to prevent a few people from being taken.

    Steve: alasycia,My point being is that Glimdropper needs to promote his or her beliefs by getting involved with running a website, becoming proactive in the scam world, form an anti scam group or compaign, write his or her congressmen, etc. Instead of hiding behind a pseudo handle. Whenever, a person hides behind a make believe name, it surely makes me wonder about that person….Steve

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  27. A short legal note on content responsibility.
    If you promote any business, legitimate or not, you are in fact responsible for any content that you put forward. If you copy and paste direct from another website information that they created, you own it when you distribute that information in any way. And one that I really think is going to be important someday and may be the true death knell of this industry is a legal doctrine that Forum Owners and/or Moderators of forums can be held responsible for the cheerleading posts on their forums when the edit for content. For instance, general law holds that a forum operator is NOT responsible for what people post on their blogs/forums what have you. EXCEPT, and this is important, when they moderate posts for content. As soon as a forum starts deleting posts that disagree with their position, they become responsible and legally liable for the posts they leave up. The theory behind this is that by exorcising editorial control, you are endorsing the positions you have left as posted. When a few of the operators of forums are held financially to task for the losses of HYIPs they pimped on their forums, it’s possible that some of the forums will go deeper underground and just maybe that’ll have some good effect.

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  28. Lynndel,

    You may be right about that information regarding Patrick Moriarty. I don’t know. However, I’m going to hold onto the belief that he did teach night school. He is my friend.

    As far as google is concerned your saying Google is above the law. Should be, they make enough.. Google is a site also, don’t forgot that. Scams are being poplulated by google to numerous to count. But Google is not accountable right?? only the little guys are held accountable your saying really then right?

    “It does take time to get the “goods” on the bad guys, and for law enforcement to investigate and take action.”

    Well, that’s why I’m suggesting vigilante ponzi take downs through groups of people. Simply bypass the bureaucratic red tape. Take it into your own hands! Acquire government funding for your coalition, and start targeting ponzi’s. I’ll tell you what, I can take down any ponzi single handedly. So if I can do it, why can’t you? and think of what a group of 100 can do working together?

    no ponzi’s would even get the chance to start making money. Then community fear would saturate the web presence and people would think twice before staging a site…. but until we envelope them with fear, nothing will happen… free open range…

    thanks Lynndel.

    Gregg,

    “Not that I think it’s a very serious threat, but fact is people will in fact kill you over half a billion dollars. So I decided that I’d take at least some effort to make myself less obvious.”

    People will kill you for 20 bucks if it’s convenient enough and if they think they can get away with it. Your not really hiding though. You have a name. Might not be your own, but you have a name, not a handle.

    “Contrary to your belief that authorities are eager to get involved, I think you’re badly misinformed. It’s not that they don’t care, but the fact is they have limited resources…”

    As you know, our country is outsourcing everything. We wonder what’s happening to our economy? lol It’s called big business. We have no budgets. Ford is spending 3.2 billion dollars building new plants to help stimulate the economy only problem is they are the building the plant in the wrong country. That’s right South of the border.. Sure glad Ford refused the bail out, because they sure are bailing out on us….

    You see, this is my point exactly. Because of the stock market crash, real estate plunge and over all weak economy anyone with money left is outsourcing into banks, stocks, and bonds outside the US. Just like all the ponzi programs being based outside the continental US. Once again depleting funds from the homeland.

    “A short legal note on content responsibility”

    good read…

    Steve

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  29. Steve,

    I am sorry – you are incredibly inconsistent in what you are saying here.

    On the one hand you have a site that promoted several dubious schemes and people joined BECAUSE of your recommendation. Your site has a certain credibility and people follow your lead. You must therefore take responsiblity for your actions, if people joined those schemes because you promoted it on your site. (and it doesnt matter if you have recently put a “qualifier” on your statements. You cant control your downline and what they say when they recruit.

    You are still recommending a couple of highly dubious schemes, even though you say you are not. The qualifiers arent worth a dime if the name and link appear on your site.

    THEN You tell us that now you can spot ponzis I’ll tell you what, I can take down any ponzi single handedly. So if I can do it, why can’t you? and think of what a group of 100 can do working together?

    but also say

    I myself see all the programs now as ponzi’s, but I’m not going to start a coalition for program awareness because it’s not my style. People do what they want. They will join them even if they realize they are a ponzi. You can’t save the world. People learn from their mistakes, always have, always will be that way.

    Come on Steve, you cant have it both ways. If you think that a vigilante group might help, dont you think that you have a responsibility to be part of it. People get HURT in these schemes and you have promoted several of them. It’s payback time Steve and if you are the good person you say you are then you need to put your own grain of salt in the mix.

    Lastly, as for you saying who helps and doesnt help in taking down ponzis, you are, as Gregg has said, sadly misinformed and the fact that you are belittling people who are doing so, says nothing in your favour.

    So what if they use pseudonyms. I have said before IT IS WHAT they right that counts. And thank heavens they did tell us what they did. The anonymous Entertained has provided us with the now famous and very verifiable Black Box Model which was for many of us the key to understanding why these schemes are both unsustanable and illegal. Who gives a d*mn what name he uses. It doesn’t change the value of what he says. Protests of this nature are red herrings and a nice way to take credit from those to whom it is due.

    Equally thanks to him and many others, and I am proud to include myself in this, many other people have grown to understand WHY ASD was in an indefensible possible and how to spot new incarnations of the same. And this is not a guess, it is from the people who say “Thank You for showing us what we couldnt see before and saving us from making the same mistake twice”

    As Gregg has also pointed out, most of the anti scam work is done behind the scenes, altruistically without any thought of financial gain. Many also work in teams too. Your idea is not new, it just lacks people, like you, to join that 100 and spread thte word.

    He also told you what I have already told you – anti scam work can be dangerous and often is. I use a psuedonym when messing about with the finances of crooks – it is safer. I also know people who wont help out of fear. I dont want to find my business wrecked, my car tyres slashed or receive threats to my safety or that of my kids, as some people have done. Use your common sense man – instead of fussing about names, just be glad of the work they do.

    I am delighted Patrick Moriarty is your friend – but we all have friends who make mistakes or even do things that are wrong. Friendship doesn’t change that, and it doesn’t mean one has to follow every fool idea that they dream up.

    It would be more honest if you came out and removed all the programmes on your website and sent out a mail to all your subscribers telling them that all online schemes are pònzis and WHY., instead of chopping and changing and justifying everything that you do.

    I had to eat humble pie over ASD – but that’s life. Every action we make has consequences and we have to live with them. At least I am trying to do something about it and make sure noone I know falls for the same crap again, with or without a psuedonym. You have a great opportunity to do the same and can reach far more people from the position of influence that you have with The Joy Luck Club site. But you say “it isnt your style”. Well it should be.

    Signed “Little Ol’ Left Wing Radical Me”

    (which was, incidentally, a present for Bob Guenther, as he was having trouble figuring out my identity.lol )

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  30. Steve: As far as google is concerned your saying Google is above the law. Should be, they make enough.. Google is a site also, don’t forgot that. Scams are being poplulated by google to numerous to count. But Google is not accountable right?? only the little guys are held accountable your saying really then right?

    The Google situation is not “like” yours at all, Steve.

    Google accepts advertising in good faith, based on its’ clearly defined “Terms of Usage” policy and will, if informed, withdraw any content it deems to be contrary to that policy.

    People who accept referral commission/s, from a fraudulent enterprise, on the other hand, place themselves (however unwittingly)in a totally different category, no matter how the commission/s are renamed or rebadged to suit the particular circumstance.

    While I’m in no way suggesting you, in particular, are about to be prosecuted, IM(very)HO, the day is not very far away where such prosecution/s take place.

    Similarly, again IM(very)HO, with the huge amounts of money purported to be “invested” in the HYIP ponzi “autosurf” scene it is not outside the realms of possibility a “victim” or group of “victims” will undertake action against those they see as complicit in causing their loss.

    I would strongly suggest that anyone who has accepted or is thinking of accepting ANY income from a HYIP ponzi “autosurf” to heed the warning messages from renowned lawyer and author Robert Townsend: http://townlaw.netfirms.com/english/index.htm

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  31. Steve,

    Are you aware that I work for Ford? Didn’t know if you knew that. Your investment figure is incorrect, Ford is not building any new plant in Mexico at this time, but it is spending, today, $200 million to upgrade a transmission plant in Cincinnati, $180 million to restart production at the Cleveland Engine Plant, $162 million retooling an assembly plant in Michigan to build a new small car from Europe, a few million more in new capacity to the Wayne Michigan assembly plant and $132 million upgrading the Kentucky Truck Plant in Louisville, just off the top of my head.
    They are adding production of diesel engines (a first for Ford, previously our diesel engines were outsourced) to the Hermisillo plant in Mexico, creating 900 jobs there, but 300 jobs that WERE in Mexico have been moved back stateside because in order to make that engine there, they had to transfer Super Duty overseas bound trucks back to Kentucky.

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  32. Gregg,

    Congratulations to the Ford team! Great earning report today. The whole organization is to be applauded, top-to-bottom. You guys picked the right CEO too in Mulally — Boeing should have kept him and not grabbed the ex-GE guy (where IS that 787????)

    Gregg Evans: Steve,Are you aware that I work for Ford? Didn’t know if you knew that…… .

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  33. he he he, Gregg be banking on his Ford stock!

    (I’ve made more from Ford stock this year than Ford pays me in 6 years, so far)

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  34. Gregg Evans: Steve,Are you aware that I work for Ford?Didn’t know if you knew that.Your investment figure is incorrect, Ford is not building any new plant in Mexico at this time, but it is spending, today, $200 million to upgrade a transmission plant in Cincinnati, $180 million to restart production at the Cleveland Engine Plant, $162 million retooling an assembly plant in Michigan to build a new small car from Europe, a few million more in new capacity to the Wayne Michigan assembly plant and $132 million upgrading the Kentucky Truck Plant in Louisville, just off the top of my head.
    They are adding production of diesel engines (a first for Ford, previously our diesel engines were outsourced) to the Hermisillo plant in Mexico, creating 900 jobs there, but 300 jobs that WERE in Mexico have been moved back stateside because in order to make that engine there, they had to transfer Super Duty overseas bound trucks back to Kentucky.

    For goodness’ sakes, Gregg,

    will you please STOP trying to confuse the situation by introducing facts into a discussion about HYIP ponzi “autosurfs” and the legal repercussions of promoting same.

    How’s an honest guy supposed to make a buck when people put facts in the way of a sales pitch which plays on peoples’ distrust and dislike of “big business” banks and politicians ???

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  35. I’ll drink to that, Entertained. lol

    But, irrespective of Gregg’s `personal good fortune in making clever and legal investments, Ford deserves a big hand for investing money in a business that produces wealth for its country and its citizens, instead of creaming it off the top, like the smart a@@ wheeler dealers, who are responsible for a lot of the chaos and suffering now that is affecting citizen of the whole world.

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  36. And to make sure that that comment was on topic – it is necessary to add that most of the online schemes very clearwly fall into that second category. Even worse, they are not even legal.

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  37. 3X in 4 months, almost as good as ASD….or AVG!

    Gregg Evans: he he he, Gregg be banking on his Ford stock! (I’ve made more from Ford stock this year than Ford pays me in 6 years, so far)

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  38. Ford to open new plant in Mexico

    The move is a blow to American car workers who had hoped the factory would be built in the United States.

    Ford has lost more than $15bn (£7.5bn) over the past two years and says the new facility is crucial to its future.

    Mexican President Felipe Calderon hailed the announcement as a “turning point” for his country.

    The new factory, and other changes to Ford’s Mexican operations, are likely to create an estimated 4,500 jobs in Mexico, where car workers earn substantially less than their American counterparts.

    Mr Calderon made the announcement with Ford president Alan Mullaly at the presidential compound in Mexico City on Friday.

    “We want Mexico to be an automotive country, one that is competitive and with the most advantages so that the worldwide automotive industry will establish itself here,” Mr Calderon said.

    Mr Mullaly said: “We are convinced the geographic location as well as Mexico’s highly qualified labour force and economic stability make this decision the right one for our business.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7428952.stm

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  39. Steve:

    You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. Well, you have been led to the water.

    I respect you for wanting to stand by your friend, but it still does not change the fact he did not teach any night classes at the University, nor was his tax advisory business licensed with the State of Missouri. Throw in the tax charges he is facing, and if I were one of his tax advisory clients I wouldn’t be sleeping too soundly.

    If you think you can take down a Ponzi all by your little ole lonesome, you are truly naive’. You are also naive’ if you think that law enforcement agencies are just waiting with anticipated breath to stop Internet scammers. The average length of time from knowing about a scam until action is taken is about 28 months. ASD was totally different because of the Agency involved, the Secret Service. ASD is the abnormality of these type of investigations. I know of investigations that have been ongoing now for over 30 months, and still no action with none in sight. Due to the multitude of agencies that are involved from federal to state, they move at a snails pace. That is the reality.

    Let me be blunt. The FBI has moved over 1800 agents from white collar crime units to homeland security issues. These agents have not been replaced. Still think scammers are this high priority? They also don’t have the budgets, manpower or resources they once had as demonstrated above. Even with assistance we provide, they still have to verify all the information that we have gathered is true, and it will stand up in a court of law. Then they still must complete their parts of the investigation only they can do before any action can be taken. All we can do is provide them information. It is a long and slow process.

    The people who need our help the most have already lost all their money to the scammer. Law Enforcement Agencies welcome our help, but do not have the budget to pay for it. That’s why I formed Eagle as a nonprofit. I believed that there were enough companies, corporations, foundations, endowments, and high net-worth individuals who would understand the need, and support our cause. Given this economy, even that is suspect now, as many nonprofits are hurting and going out of business just like for-profit corporations are going out of business. Not complaining, just stating facts.

    I understand how you feel picked on, but do yourself a favor. Just for a moment, put aside your ego/pride, and read what people here are really saying to you. There is a ton of information that has been given to you that you need to know; but unless you can hear it, it will do you no good. I am not asking you to do something that I haven’t had to do myself. Once I was willing to put aside my ego/pride, and really read and listen, it was amazing what I had missed hearing and how much I learned.

    I don’t dislike you, hate you, but I hope I have been able to help you. Whether or not you listen and learn from all here who have been providing their expertise and knowledge is only up to you. As I said when I started this, you have been led to water, now it is up to you whether or not you drink.

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  40. Lynndel,

    “I respect you for wanting to stand by your friend, but it still does not change the fact he did not teach any night classes at the University, nor was his tax advisory business licensed with the State of Missouri. Throw in the tax charges he is facing, and if I were one of his tax advisory clients I wouldn’t be sleeping too soundly.”

    Maybe he did teach night classes maybe he didn’t. I’m not fighting you over this. I was not his tax client.

    “If you think you can take down a Ponzi all by your little ole lonesome, you are truly naive’. You are also naive’”

    I’m not truly naive, I’m truly good at what I do. What does it take to bring down a ponzi?

    1)It takes online information to swagger perspective sign-ups to alter their course… You can’t just post damaging news about the ponzi on your site and hope people will see it. This will not work! Unless your site is indexed well with google.

    2)You need to reverse engineer the programs links throughout the web and do a follow up on each and everyone of the links.
    http://www.marketleap.com/publinkpop

    3)You need to create your own media compaigns with various mediums.
    Youtube Videos, Google Adsense (play cat and mouse with them), web sites, etc.

    4)Investigate the Owner(s)
    Search Knowx.com and find every piece of information you can regarding the owner and staff. Check all the States Corp records, Search in the county tax collector.com,

    5) inform authorities: Government, State and local.

    Can I single handedly bring down a ponzi? Yes I can! Look at what Jack Arons did.. That should tell you it’s not only possible, but very likely one person can take down a ponzi…

    “Let me be blunt. The FBI has moved over 1800 agents from white collar crime units to homeland security issues.”

    If this is true, they are doing a horrible job! and I mean horrible. They should all be fired… but governemnt workers are in no rush… job sercurity i guess… They need to sub cobtract the job out to a private company that is Gung ho at taking down companies.. maybe lead by a few top FBI agents…

    See the problem here is that the government is not Proactive, but reactive instead… They wait until the purse is over lets say, “10 million” dollars or they won’t even waste their time.. It’s all about money to them, always have been, always will be this way.

    “Law Enforcement Agencies welcome our help, but do not have the budget to pay for it”

    Who’s paying for the 1800 FBI agents, and what are they doing? I wouldn’t be surprized if all the 1800 agents were in blogs and chatrooms like this just typing away in conversation.

    1800 agents / 50 states = 36 agents per State.

    give me one agent per State, fire the 35, use the remaining budget of an average pay of say, 30,000 a year, comes to 1,050,000.. I’ll tell you what, I’ll bring down every ponzi in my State! How about you??

    Need to start passing legislation. make things happen!

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  41. Steve:

    Jack Arons did not bring down ASD all on his own. He will tell you that. Did he make a difference, absolutely, but he cannot make any arrests, issue subpoena’s, or a handful of other things that only law enforcement agencies can do; and neither can you. It is one thing to discredit a Ponzi on the Internet, but quite another to have law enforcement arrest and convict. You have no clue what all is involved.

    So why haven’t you done what you say “we” should be doing? If you think it is that easy, go for it. You are in for a rude surprise.

    You have no idea of how long it would take to put together a group as you have suggested. You have no clue as to all the “politics” that are involved to do what you suggest to do. You have no clue what turf wars you would have to fight. You have no clue what is truly involved for law enforcement to even take an interest in a scam. If you think I am going to educate you on the answers to all of these questions, you are sadly mistaken. Find out for yourself. I did.

    You had better believe I think you are naive’ because your statements prove it. According to you, I need to stop what I am doing because I am doing a lousy job of it.

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  42. Lynndel,

    I’m not saying it’s easy. I’m just saying I can single handedly do it. If that was my mission in life. Jack Arons did start the demolition process of ASD and the government came in and cleaned up the rubble.

    Discrediting a Ponzi is more than half the battle! You stop new prospects from becoming members. No it’s doesn’t take them down, but it slows their growth done. Slower growth, less indexing the site gets to the search engines, and less people see the site…
    this is Proactive, but takes alot of time and work. Not money, just time.

    “You have no clue what all is involved.”
    I know what’s involved, I have a clue!

    I never said it was easy, you did. I said I could do it.

    “You have no clue as to all the “politics” that are involved to do what you suggest to do.”

    I do have a clue. It has to be done like this if we ever are to make a dent in the ponzi programs.. I never said it would be easy.

    “You had better believe I think you are naive’ because your statements prove it. According to you, I need to stop what I am doing because I am doing a lousy job of it.”

    I never said your doing a lousy job, I said you need to work at indexing your site and spending more time on that than in here.. that’s what i said, and you know I’m right.

    If I were you, I would join say 15 popular programs and write about them on your site. The newer the programs, the better chances people will come to your site first…Make a new page for each program you sign up to, place a counter on the site. Always use the word scam or ponzi on the page URL….

    example,
    http://www.eagleresearchassociates.org/ASD_Scam.htm
    http://www.eagleresearchassociates.org/12Daily_Pro_Scam.htm

    You see my point.. then each web page will be indexed for each program…. make sure you iterate your keywords on the page at least 3 to 5 times.. The first 200 words on the page needs to have the iterations…

    Steve

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  43. Steve, show us how it’s done. Please, let me do nothing from discouraging you from trying to make a positive difference. But do you recall the push button extreme thread Ent started back at Kath’s old site? There were two people promoting a naked pyramid scam and more than two pointing out all it’s many flaws. PBX collapsed exactly as predicted in that thread and perhaps even a little sooner than expected. You know first hand that promoters don’t care about facts, they know they’re promoting scams and they know if they promote them well, they can make money. And that’s all they care about.

    That’s why, from my limited perspective it’s almost always useless to talk with the promoters, except when the conversation can be viewed by potential victims. Some people refuse to be helped but for the wise few that look for the information not being provided by the promoters, I can in my own small way help them. Sometimes I hate scam.com for reasons I wont go into here but I donate my time as a poster and a moderator there because very few sites on the web can get a topic into the first page of google results faster than scam.com. Test it out sometime, you’ll be impressed.

    So if you want to pick a ponzi and take it down, be our guest. You have plenty to pick from. If you want to spend some time fighting for the victims, Godspeed. But if all you can do is stop being part of the problem then it’s a net positive.

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  44. I guess I win this round! Last comment…

    On to the next round!

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  45. That article is over a year old, Yes, the Fiesta is going to Mexico, but some models will also be built at Michigan Assembly Plant. MAP cannot build all of them and the new Focus, too. I don’t know how much of Mexico will be overseas sales. The US market production there may evolve into the overflow, depending on capacity utilization at MAP.
    Generally, when a platform is built both in and out of the USA, the foriegn production is at least partly for export sales.

    Steve: Ford to open new plant in Mexico
    The move is a blow to American car workers who had hoped the factory would be built in the United States.
    Ford has lost more than $15bn (£7.5bn) over the past two years and says the new facility is crucial to its future.
    Mexican President Felipe Calderon hailed the announcement as a “turning point” for his country.
    The new factory, and other changes to Ford’s Mexican operations, are likely to create an estimated 4,500 jobs in Mexico, where car workers earn substantially less than their American counterparts.
    Mr Calderon made the announcement with Ford president Alan Mullaly at the presidential compound in Mexico City on Friday.
    “We want Mexico to be an automotive country, one that is competitive and with the most advantages so that the worldwide automotive industry will establish itself here,” Mr Calderon said.
    Mr Mullaly said: “We are convinced the geographic location as well as Mexico’s highly qualified labour force and economic stability make this decision the right one for our business.”http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7428952.stm

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  46. Steve: I guess I win this round!Last comment…On to the next round!

    I watched an interesting documentary on TV late last year.

    It featured a Native American chief in Arizona or New Mexico, from memory.

    What made it interesting was, every morning, the chief arose just before dawn and “sang” up the sun.

    Every day he followed the ritual and, lo and behold, it worked.

    Every single day the sun “rose”

    And, he could prove it worked.

    He could provide proof his family had performed the ritual every single day, without fail, for over 400 years. Long before recorded history and long before white civilization arrived.

    AND, what’s more, the ritual had never failed. Nowhere in recorded history could anyone show the sun had failed to “rise” following performance of the ritual.

    The documentary producer simply observed the ritual, and made no effort to dissuade the chief from his beliefs,The documentary finished with a shot of the chief silhouetted against the dawn performing his ritual, content in his belief that HE was right.

    After all, the “proof” was right before his eyes, right ???

    He WAS right,

    Or was he

    “Chief” Steve ????

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  47. Well, Well, well,

    I see we have a contender. Let me reiterate that, How, How, How.
    By all means you may not refer me to as Chief. But as a warrior.

    Let me explain, Many moons ago, to you that’s about 150 years years. Before the white man came and devoured the great land on which you stand, stood another man. That man was Warrior Geronimo. and he said this:

    “I was no chief and never had been, but because I had been more deeply wronged than others, this honor was conferred upon me, and I resolved to prove worthy of the trust.”

    “When I was young I walked all over this country, east and west, and saw no other people than the Apaches. After many summers I walked again and found another race of people had come to take it. How is it?”

    You have no standing before me little round man you have no worth. and I surely don’t trust you.

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  48. Steve: You have no standing before me little round man you have no worth. and I surely don’t trust you.

    And that’s a good thing, nor should you.

    I am, after all, nothing more than a name on internet forums.

    That having been said, however, it does nothing to alter the material facts.

    You have promoted, and for all I know, continue to promote, internet fraud. What’s more, you’ve done so publicly and, might I add, defiantly.

    Further, you have moved yourself into the category of being an mislead “true believer” into that of being a “broker” by virtue of the fact you touted for and accepted a fee/s for doing so.

    Having done so, you also moved into a whole new category of legal rights and responsibilities.

    In the grand scheme of things, given the vast number of prosecution targets involved in the ASD fraud, and given the severe budgetary and personnel constraints under which the prosecutors are required to operate, you probably will “fall through the cracks” and avoid direct prosecution.

    Considering your past performances, you’ll also quite probably use that unfortunate fact as ammunition to further thumb your nose at authority and shout out from the rooftops how “bulletproof” you are and impotent law enforcement is.

    So, go about your business pimping frauds and justifying doing so. In fact, why not get your parents and friends savings and retirement funds into the “sure things” you love to tout.

    Carry on pulling the law enforcement tigers tail.

    Carry on p*****g off people who DO know how to catch the ear of prosecutors and are more than willing to do so.

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  49. I’m not saying it’s easy. I’m just saying I can single handedly do it. If that was my mission in life. Jack Arons did start the demolition process of ASD and the government came in and cleaned up the rubble.

    I do have a clue. It has to be done like this if we ever are to make a dent in the ponzi programs.. I never said it would be easy.

    I never said your doing a lousy job, I said you need to work at indexing your site and spending more time on that than in here.. that’s what i said, and you know I’m right.

    Steve what is important to you? Being right on a petty score card, or getting rid of the thousands of pernicious scams on the internet? Or do you just not care?

    If everyone did their part, it would be easier to take down scams. Pressure on the internet? Well Patrick’s blog certainly pops up on page one and does a great deal of good.

    You are computer literate. Perhaps you could do your part by aiding Eagle Associates index their site. Everyone of the many anonymous people who help Eagle Associates do so voluntarily. Some have more time and some have less, but every little bit counts. Put your money where your mouth is man and do your part.

    I am amazed that you can succeed in taking down ponzis single handed. Eagle and others like them do a pretty good job. They have to work with the authorities, as they are the only ones who can take legal actions and they are not paid. If they had the million dollar budget that you want, I reckon they could bring down a great deal more and more easily. But as you already know, funding for this work inside and outside Government is in short supply.

    Maybe YOU as a site owner should start campaigning for increased government funds to combat fraud, instead of promoting get rich quick schemes on your site.

    And by the way, Jack did not start the demolition process of ASD – he just wrote about it very publicly and helped it along. THINK Steve. One bank reported Suspicious Activity and closed the Bowdoin Harris accounts. We dont know what the BoA finally did, but you can bet your boots that someone high up in BoA made a report (even though they may have taken their time about it and made the situation worse meantime)

    And THINK Steve, if it had been all clean and legal, it would still be around today as Andy’s highly qualified attorneys would have won the case.
    It’s no good blaming the Attorneys, they couldnt make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear and they couldnt turn a corrupt and illegal business run by a fraudster into a clean and legal one.

    Get off your high horse Steve and stop belittling the writers here. If you are so good at taking down frauds, why dont you show us how it is done on a real one, instead of giving great advice to others from your armchair. Like many of us, you have learnt from bitter experience and have the knowledge and tools to make a difference. Noone can have it all ways.

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  50. Alasycia,

    “Steve what is important to you? Being right on a petty score card, or getting rid of the thousands of pernicious scams on the internet? Or do you just not care?”

    I always strive for excellence on petty tests. Regarding eradicating scams, I’m all for it. I just don’t have the legal authority to close them. I care, yes.

    “Put your money where your mouth is man and do your part.”
    I’m working behind the scences as we speak.

    “I am amazed that you can succeed in taking down ponzis single handed.”
    Thank you, I appreciate that.

    “Maybe YOU as a site owner should start campaigning for increased government funds to combat fraud, instead of promoting get rich quick schemes on your site.”

    Let me tell you what needs to be done….
    Eagle Research and Associates needs not only to work with Law enforcement, but the agencies need to give authority of acknowledgement to SUBMIT cease and desist orders.

    For example, If a new ponzi was staging and Eagle sends/emails them a generic govenment warning to cease and desist. Don’t you think people will think twice??? I sure do! It wouldn’t cost anything. And if the owner doesn’t cease and desist, the documentation would be sent to Homeland Security….

    THINK Alasycia

    Eagle Research is already established and he should be the one working with authorities; I can however by in charge of demolition.

    THINK Alasycia

    And THINK Steve, if it had been all clean and legal, it would still be around today as Andy’s highly qualified attorneys would have won the case.
    It’s no good blaming the Attorneys, they couldnt make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear and they couldnt turn a corrupt and illegal business run by a fraudster into a clean and legal one.

    And THINK Alasycia, if Ad Surf Daily wasn’t a ponzi we wouldn’t have got the chance to meet and banter back and forth. That’s worth more than 2 synthetic silk purses. Lets leave the animals alone…

    “Get off your high horse Steve and stop belittling the writers here.”
    And THINK Alasycia, I’m afraid you have the backwards girlfriend. I’m the one being attacked in here. I will not step down. I abnegate to abdicate… sets free the Eagles, Pigs, and horses.

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  51. Looks like another autosurf is sinking….

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    The ownership change WILL NOT effect the weekly rebate and commission schedule. Any changes regarding the site, rebate program or payment processors will be announced by the new management team. They will take full possession of the network over the weekend so you can expect direct communications from them shortly.

    As members of the AdGate community, we are excited to see the next phase of this journey. Since the reboot we are seeing a steady and consistent growth in members each day. The new ownership group has a successful track record with internet operations and marketing. They are crafting a new mission statement that will build on the core advertising product. They apparently have the funds and the professional resources to apply.

    We are proud of the integrity and dedication of everyone that has assisted in the development of the community until this point. Now it is our turn to step through the ‘Gate and let others take command!

    Best Regards,

    The Original AdGate Team

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  52. “Put your money where your mouth is man and do your part.”
    I’m working behind the scences as we speak.

    And then what gives you the right to asume that others aren’t? half the work has to be kept quiet, but you have made some fairly heavy ad mominem” attacks on some of the posters and told them to get on and do something, without even knowing what they do do. I think you owe them an apology.

    Let me tell you what needs to be done….
    Eagle Research and Associates needs not only to work with Law enforcement, but the agencies need to give authority of acknowledgement to SUBMIT cease and desist orders.

    We would all like to see that, but as you seem to be the only one who knows how to achieve this situation, perhaps you would be kind enough to let the Eagle people know how to do this.

    By the way, I am delighted to see that you have taken the links to all those online schemes off your site. It’s never too late. And even though there is very little glory in it, you know that you now have had enough experiences to really understand what it a ponzi. You have had your turn at promoting them, and now are in a unique position to make sure that you help stop the rest. It may not be “your style” but it is certainly a good thing that you can do – and a great thing to tell your kids about afterwards.

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  53. Steve: alasycia,I’m not promoting anything any longer.
    Steve

    Steve Watt, tell us what you know about “Real Investments Paying 1.9% Daily!”? When I click on the link from your add news/ponzi recruitment site (and is that your referral link?) it takes me to geniusfunds -dot- com.

    So Steve, what makes this a real investment? Can I contact my broker and have him buy me a few shares of the

    *Emerging Markets Growth Fund (symbol) EMGF 1.0% – 1.9%, Daily payments

    Or the

    *World Bond Market Fund (symbol) WBMF 6.0% – 9.0%, Weekly payments

    I’ve put a fair amount of money into mutual funds but I’ve never seen funding instructions like these:

    “Genius Funds accepts Liberty Reserve, Perfect Money, AlertPay and SolidTrustPay payments, ACH debits, credit cards or international bank transfers.

    Credit card payments and ACH debits are processed through SolidTrustPay or AlertPay.”

    So Steve, did you forget to clean all your scam referral links off your site or is this one “legitimate”?

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  54. GlimDropper,

    “Steve Watt, tell us what you know about “Real Investments Paying 1.9% Daily!”? When I click on the link from your add news/ponzi recruitment site (and is that your referral link?) it takes me to geniusfunds -dot- com.”

    add news/ponzi recruitment site?? no Idea what your talking about..

    “So Steve, did you forget to clean all your scam referral links off your site or is this one “legitimate”?”

    If there is a URL, which Im sure I have a few floating out there. Copy and paste it in here or send me an email with the full URL, and I’ll eradicate it….

    not a problem……

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  55. GlimDropper,

    I found the link, it was on my site… It’s been eradicated!

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