BREAKING NEWS: Bowdoin Asks For Extension; Lawyer Says ‘Entire Matter’ Could Be Resolved In Agreement

UPDATED 5:06 P.M. EDT (U.S.A.) The attorney for AdSurfDaily Inc. President Andy Bowdoin has asked a federal judge to extend a key filing deadline until Sept. 21.

UPDATE 5:06 P.M: Judge Rosemary Coller, in a minute order just issued, has approved an extension until Sept. 14, not Sept. 21, as Bowdoin had requested.

Charles A. Murray, Bowdoin’s attorney, said in a court filing today that he had “engaged in continuing negotiations with the Government and it appears that these negotiations could result in an agreement resolving the entire matter.”

Bowdoin had been ordered to show cause by Aug. 7 why his motion to undo a decision he made in January to forfeit tens of millions of dollars seized by the U.S. Secret Service in a wire-fraud investigation last year should not be denied. The prosecution agreed to an extension until Aug. 28, and Judge Rosemary Collyer granted the extension.

Today’s Bowdoin pleading was filed as a stipulated motion. Prosecutors did not object to Bowdoin’s requested delay until Sept. 21, but Collyer approved a delay only until Sept. 14.

Read Bowdoin’s motion.

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  1. If it is true that the Government has no objection to yet another extension of time for Bowdoin, then this is most intriguing!

    What can they be negotiating at this stage of the game?

    It is difficult to believe that they will ever permit Bowdoin to get back any monies now held by the US Gov, and most members of ASD who are hoping to receive something from the DoJ will shudder at the thought of Andy Bowdoin being able to get his hands on it.

    Is he spilling even more beans to stay out of jail? Will be ever find out where the rest of the money went too?

    I am certainly watching this space…..

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  2. Here come some fireworks! lol

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  3. Andy has had MONTHS and MONTHS to come up with a plan. How long is Judhe Collyer willing to put up with the shenanigans?? This is getting plain silly!!

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  4. Don – possible secret government agent: Andy has had MONTHS and MONTHS to come up with a plan. How long is Judhe Collyer willing to put up with the shenanigans?? This is getting plain silly!!

    Apparently until September 14. What is going to be more interesting to me is how quickly she rules on the new Pro Se filings, and if she issues sanctions and fines.

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  5. Definitely bad news for the promoters, insiders, and winners……

    Don’t forget AUSA Cowden has all the aces…..and Bowdoin may well be negotiating to perhaps avoid spending the rest of his days in prison. He doesn’t have much to offer, but….. sing canary, sing……

    Any bets on the lead witness for the prosecution?

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  6. Lynndel,

    My bet on the pro se filers is that they are trying very hard to stop the Bowdoin/Cowden negotiations (which cannot possibly be good for the pro se filers).

    Lynndel Edgington:

    Don – possible secret government agent: Andy has had MONTHS and MONTHS to come up with a plan. How long is Judhe Collyer willing to put up with the shenanigans?? This is getting plain silly!!

    Apparently until September 14. What is going to be more interesting to me is how quickly she rules on the new Pro Se filings, and if she issues sanctions and fines.

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  7. September 14th is my birthday! An announcement of a plea deal implicating all the ASD inside scammers in a conspiracy to commit wire fraud, bank fraud, and assorted other felonies would be a wonderful present!

    I’d be willing to bet that Andy has been turning over the names of the ASD insiders to the DOJ, but doing it slowly, in order to prolong his time outside of prison. I’m also willing to bet that he will do a stretch in prison this time; two suspended sentences taught him nothing but that’s what one would expect with a psychopath. What will be intersting to find out is whether or not he’s going to take Faye down with him — a psychopath wouldn’t hesitate to do that, either.

    IF Andy can prove he had no hand in AVGA he may be working out a deal where he’s allowed to plead to lessor felonies, and receive a shorter prison term, in return for testifying against ASD insiders before the Federal criminal grand jury. It seems certain that the DOJ didn’t decide to handle ASD outside the securities fraud arena, just to let the serious crimes fade away. They’ve had a plan in the works from the start, and the fun is just beginning.

    I’m sure Judge Collyer will require him to forego any additional filings, including bogus pro se filings or retractions of his previous deals, before she’ll sign off on another plea deal. And I hope her written decision scalds Andy’s butt – and his attorney’s — for his previous legal stupidities.

    Just my opinion, of course…

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  8. Marci:

    You are so close to the truth of what is taking place that one would think that you have an inside source. Andy excuse me Thomas Anderson Bowdoin Jr. has given up over 200 names of people that have had a hand in the inner workings of ASD including the names of certain drug cartels that used ASD has a dry cleaning for illegal obtained monies. Last I heard was that TAB had spilled his guts and was requesting NO JAIL TIME and to be placed in the witness protection program.

    Of course he needs more time to get his affairs in order since the government has aces full and TAB has a hand full of deuces. What TAB fails to understand is that the Government really does not need his input as they too have a copy of the database along with the thousands of emails with the names of promoters from people that lost money because of those promoters and insiders.

    Poor TAB not only does he have a fool for an Attorney (and he is paying him big bucks) he also has a investigative reporter on the payroll as well.

    His so called followers (those that made money and keep filing these frivolous motions) are doing nothing more than proving that ASD was a Ponzi then and now. They are also admitting to making large sums of money at the expense of others and have even signed their names to it as well (admission of Guilt). Cowden is loving all these filings by people who are admitting to making money as he does not have to spend days going through the database as these idiots are putting it in writing and telling him just what they made.

    TAB will never get his hands on the money and he can drag this out till the cows come home.

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  9. Jack Arons has been summons to testify before the Federal Grand Jury in Florida on October 4th. Just speculation, of course, but it has to concern either ASD or the Dallas mafia.

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  10. Marci: September 14th is my birthday! An announcement of a plea deal implicating all the ASD inside scammers in a conspiracy to commit wire fraud, bank fraud, and assorted other felonies would be a wonderful present!
    I’d be willing to bet that Andy has been turning over the names of the ASD insiders to the DOJ, but doing it slowly, in order to prolong his time outside of prison.I’m also willing to bet that he will do a stretch in prison this time; two suspended sentences taught him nothing but that’s what one would expect with a psychopath. What will be intersting to find out is whether or not he’s going to take Faye down with him — a psychopath wouldn’t hesitate to do that, either.IF Andy can prove he had no hand in AVGA he may be working out a deal where he’s allowed to plead to lessor felonies, and receive a shorter prison term, in return for testifying against ASD insiders before the Federal criminal grand jury. It seems certain that the DOJ didn’t decide to handle ASD outside the securities fraud arena, just to let the serious crimes fade away. They’ve had a plan in the works from the start, and the fun is just beginning.
    I’m sure Judge Collyer will require him to forego any additional filings, including bogus pro se filings or retractions of his previous deals, before she’ll sign off on another plea deal. And I hope her written decision scalds Andy’s butt – and his attorney’s — for his previous legal stupidities.Just my opinion, of course…

    Here’s a little tidbit for you. I don’t really get why there’s any speculation about Andy being involved with AVGA. When I sent my original money in to Ewallet it said right on the back page from me to Andy Bowdoin at which time I wondered who the hell is that. You mean no one has mentioned that before? I’m sure I’m not the only one who saw that. It’s long gone now but it was there. Anyone who signed up early had to see that, it was right there on Ewallet. The only reason i mention it is because it probably doesn’t matter and won’t help AVG members get their money back which is why it’s imperative to get it back up and running. I can tell you that there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes to make that happen and it’s very possible it will. Of course you all don’t want to believe that but it doesn’t matter what you believe. You should hope it does because like I’ve said before no one will get anything back otherwise. The harris scum aren’t doing anything to help just so you know. Those c&**s**k$$s got their money i imagine.

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  11. I will agree that there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes but I seriously doubt that AVGA is coming back. The smoke from the crater may diminish over time but you are deluding yourself if you think you will get your money back by having AVGA become operational again.

    One thing I can virtually guarantee you is that those behind AVGA will try to get some type of program up and running if given the opportunity. I certainly hope that doesn’t happen as people with a history of running scams don’t generally turn over a new leaf and go legit. The lure of easy money is just too tempting. They generally figure that they can just tweak their previous model a bit to avoid their last mistake….like going to prison.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): I can tell you that there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes to make that happen and it’s very possible it will.

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  12. dirty_bird: I will agree that there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes but I seriously doubt that AVGA is coming back.

    Of course you say you doubt it that fits your agenda, you couldn’t say otherwise which I said in my post.

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  13. I’ve long been an admirer of Dr Elisabeth Kubler-Ross’ seminal work “On Death and Dying” which deals so brilliantly with the stages of grief and loss.

    It has always fascinated me how accurately Dr Kubler-Ross’ “Grief Cycle” theory predicts the stages through which participants pass following the collapse of a HYIP ponzi or “autosurf”

    Dr Kubler-Ross formulated the theory that the stages are:

    1) Shock stage
    2) Denial stage
    3) Anger stage
    4) Bargaining stage
    5) Testing stage
    6) Depression stage
    7) Acceptance stage

    My guess would be young “joe” is firmly stuck between stages 1 & 2.

    The questions that remain are:

    a) Will he ever progress to the next stage/s ???
    b) If so, how long will it take ???

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  14. The only place AVGA is going to ramp up or reappear is in the court system and, at least in my case, I will only be an observer. I will just have to follow along online like a majority of people.

    I say I doubt AVGA is coming back because it fits with my experience. AVGA won’t cost me or make me a dime either way except that my taxes will help pay the cost of prosecution and I could have picked up a few bucks asking people if they would “like fries with it” working a shift at Icky Micky’s.

    Hopefully Mike “Emmy” Mason doesn’t come over here and quote dB as saying “…AVGA is coming back…” but with the quality of his reporting, I can’t be too sure.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    dirty_bird: I will agree that there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes but I seriously doubt that AVGA is coming back.

    Of course you say you doubt it that fits your agenda, you couldn’t say otherwise which I said in my post.

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  15. I’m guessing solidly in stage 2 with some spillover from 1 and 3.

    littleroundman: My guess would be young “joe” is firmly stuck between stages 1 & 2.

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  16. ‘joe’ here’s a little tidbit for you. Many of us have known Andy was involved in AVG from the very beginning. Just because we didn’t blab it does not mean we didn’t know it.

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  17. dirty_bird: I’m guessing solidly in stage 2 with some spillover from 1 and 3.

    Of course, you’re right.

    I don’t know what I was thinking about when I typed that, I guess that’s what happens when you’re typing while eating lunch.

    I meant to say “My guess would be “joe” is firmly stuck swinging between stages 1 & 3″

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  18. IF Andy can prove he had no hand in AVGA he may be working out a deal where he’s allowed to plead to lessor felonies, and receive a shorter prison term, in return for testifying against ASD insiders before the Federal criminal grand jury.

    How on earth is he going to prove that?????? His name is known to a lot of people as the owner of ASD, including people who helped start it up. Where on earth do people think AVGA got the money from to start up in place like the Zona Franca in Uruguay? It is a special free trade zone started to encourage the establishment of foreign companies and their investments and employment of the national population. You have to be very solvent to enter there and be able to prove it. All the stories about monies diverted en route etc etc must have made people wonder WHERE the money came from. The only ones with millions were Andy and Faye Bowdoin. Remember that Georgie and Judy Harris had to borrow from Mom and Pops to pay off their mortgage and buy their car?

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  19. Lynndel Edgington: ‘joe’ here’s a little tidbit for you.Many of us have known Andy was involved in AVG from the very beginning.Just because we didn’t blab it does not mean we didn’t know it.

    That has been your typical response on everything like this. O was only responding to someone saying “If Andy can prove he wasn’t involved in AVGA”. My thought is, how can it even be an issue?

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  20. Well we agree on something joe. Thomas Andy Bowdoin’s ownership of AVGA is <i<not an issue. AVG was paid for with his money. Money which he received from members of ASD and presumably hid offshore, out of the clutches of the US Government. It is a fact, whoever acted as his cover.

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  21. “joe” you still don’t get it. Just because we didn’t tell it here or on other forums does not mean we don’t know it. There are a ton of things I know that I don’t post anywhere about AVG, BAS, AGW, ASD, as well as other programs. Just because I don’t blab it like you do does not mean I don’t know it. Now I realize that will be difficult for you to understand, but when your IQ hits 70, SELL.

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  22. Lynndel Edgington: “joe” you still don’t get it.Just because we didn’t tell it here or on other forums does not mean we don’t know it.There are a ton of things I know that I don’t post anywhere about AVG, BAS, AGW, ASD, as well as other programs.Just because I don’t blab it like you do does not mean I don’t know it.Now I realize that will be difficult for you to understand, but when your IQ hits 70, SELL.

    I get it just fine and you already said it the first time and the second and the third and fourth etc. Same response different day like i said the first time. You know it’s funny I’ve always noticed that when someone attacks someones IQ they usually are very insecure about their own intellect as well you should be. I don’t think you have too many people convinced I’m a dummy.

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  23. joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Lynndel Edgington: “joe” you still don’t get it.Just because we didn’t tell it here or on other forums does not mean we don’t know it.There are a ton of things I know that I don’t post anywhere about AVG, BAS, AGW, ASD, as well as other programs.Just because I don’t blab it like you do does not mean I don’t know it.Now I realize that will be difficult for you to understand, but when your IQ hits 70, SELL.

    I get it just fine and you already said it the first time and the second and the third and fourth etc. Same response different day like i said the first time. You know it’s funny I’ve always noticed that when someone attacks someones IQ they usually are very insecure about their own intellect as well you should be. I don’t think you have too many people convinced I’m a dummy.

    Also I’m quite sure you had no idea about Andy’s name being posted on Ewallet as the recipient in the beginning and before you use the same tired ass old excuse theres no question it would have been brought up by someone had it been known. As much as you would not like to admit it me telling it was a first.

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  24. Hey Joe:

    I agree that personal insults have no place in a civilized forum.

    However, if you are defending the ASD, AVG, Ad4U type of models it does point to a very basic lack of mathematical knowledge and understanding on your part. These math skills are usually acquired early on in one’s educational career.

    So, either you are still struggling with the basic concepts of math or you are a shill for the ponzi promoters (or a unethical ponzi promoter yourself).

    ARWR

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Lynndel Edgington: “joe” you still don’t get it.Just because we didn’t tell it here or on other forums does not mean we don’t know it.There are a ton of things I know that I don’t post anywhere about AVG, BAS, AGW, ASD, as well as other programs.Just because I don’t blab it like you do does not mean I don’t know it.Now I realize that will be difficult for you to understand, but when your IQ hits 70, SELL.

    I get it just fine and you already said it the first time and the second and the third and fourth etc. Same response different day like i said the first time. You know it’s funny I’ve always noticed that when someone attacks someones IQ they usually are very insecure about their own intellect as well you should be. I don’t think you have too many people convinced I’m a dummy.

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  25. AVG may will “come back”. That is to say that the principles and ponzi promoters may find that they need some drug money that needs laundering, and will have no problems finding a ponzi friendly payment processor to act as a go between. Or perhaps some people in Uruguay will need more cash to pay the hotel bill?

    AVG may “come back”, it will likely be under a different name. I wonder which excuse or ploy they will use. Will it be the “going private” ploy? No, they have already used that. How about “going offshore”? No that’s been used as well. I wonder if will be the “registered in cyberspace so it’s safe” excuse? Or will it be the “trusted admin” ploy?

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  26. No joe, I didnt know about Andy’s name being posted on Ewallet as the recipient early on in AVG. It just goes to show that they and the promoters who knew and all the early members were a bunch of liars doesnt it.? All those posts about ASD and Andy Bowdoin having nothing to do with AVG?All those members who read them and kept quiet?

    That must mean that there are a great number of members in AVG with a problem with the truth. Why do you think that the latest bunch are going to be any different – as you dont seem to have a very high opinion of Andy Bowdoin and the Bowdoin Harris Family? They knew and lied to their members and prospective members.

    Sounds to me that you have either been royally screwed or are one of those doing the screwing of others.

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  27. A Random Walk Rant: So, either you are still struggling with the basic concepts of math or you are a shill for the ponzi promoters (or a unethical ponzi promoter yourself).

    ARWR

    I know the math backward and forward. I would direct you to my analogy from a few weeks back on “the ponzis will all die as one” where I retired from this blog with the thought that I might make a guest appearance here and there. It was a perfect analogy of the whole surf deal. There’s nothing wrong with Ponzis as long as you know what you’re getting in to and thats been the problem. One well know surf promoter has a newsletter and he is emphatic about saying “do not put in more than you can afford to lose” in big bold print on his letter along with disclaimers. If everyone did that it shouldn’t be a problem. It’s like going to Vegas,it’s your choice. All surfs have a shelf life except maybe Ad-Ventures4u if the gold site keeps working.

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  28. There’s nothing wrong with Ponzis as long as you know what you’re getting in to

    Yes there is joe, they are 100% illegal. Getting involved with them means you are taking part in an illegal act and promoting them will get you even deeper into conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering. You might also be making some money from an innocent and thus defrauded victim.

    Apart from that, they’re cool

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  29. Joe:

    Just like alasycia says, “There is nothing wrong with them, apart from the fact that they are ILLEGAL!”

    Sheeesh, and, just because a well known ponzi promoter tells his sucker followers to not put more than they can afford to lose, that makes it right?

    C’mon, the “not more than you can afford to lose” warning applies to legitimate gambling like blackjack and roulette where you have a sporting chance, or trading forex or penny stocks.

    It does not apply to illegal, unethical and flat out immoral ponzi schemes.

    It is a sad, sad commentary on society when people like you can justify taking advantage of others for your own personal gain.

    Sad commentary indeed.

    ARWR

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    A Random Walk Rant: So, either you are still struggling with the basic concepts of math or you are a shill for the ponzi promoters (or a unethical ponzi promoter yourself).ARWR

    I know the math backward and forward. I would direct you to my analogy from a few weeks back on “the ponzis will all die as one” where I retired from this blog with the thought that I might make a guest appearance here and there. It was a perfect analogy of the whole surf deal. There’s nothing wrong with Ponzis as long as you know what you’re getting in to and thats been the problem. One well know surf promoter has a newsletter and he is emphatic about saying “do not put in more than you can afford to lose” in big bold print on his letter along with disclaimers. If everyone did that it shouldn’t be a problem. It’s like going to Vegas,it’s your choice. All surfs have a shelf life except maybe Ad-Ventures4u if the gold site keeps working.

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  30. alasycia: There’s nothing wrong with Ponzis as long as you know what you’re getting in toYes there is joe, they are 100% illegal.Getting involved with them meansyou aretaking part in an illegal act and promoting them will get you even deeper into conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering.You might also be making some money from an innocent and thus defrauded victim.
    Apart from that, they’re cool

    I have nothing to do with money laundering or wire fraud. that’s the problem with you guys, you throw everyone in to the same category. Actually nobody I know doing this is involved in that. remember 100% illegal here. In the USA. The fact is they are cool and all they need to do is be a little more educational on their homepage for the ones who’s sponsor doesn’t tell them the risks. if the government had more control of the money guess what, they wouldn’t have a problem with them. Vegas or any other place where there are casinos are no different except what? Government control pure and simple. They don’t give a damn if people want to gamble their money as long as they are making theirs and thats as simple as it gets unarguably.

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  31. A Random Walk Rant: C’mon, the “not more than you can afford to lose” warning applies to legitimate gambling like blackjack and roulette where you have a sporting chance, or trading forex or penny stocks.

    It does not apply to illegal, unethical and flat out immoral ponzi schemes.

    Why is it different? In fact you stand a hell of a lot better chance to make money than Blackjack and Forex. I know, I do both. That being said, it’s not any more immoral or unethical than people losing money gambling. Why would it be? Illegal? Only because good ole Uncle sam can’t control it and tax it. If they could they would love them. Whats sad is you not getting that.

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  32. joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    A Random Walk Rant: C’mon, the “not more than you can afford to lose” warning applies to legitimate gambling like blackjack and roulette where you have a sporting chance, or trading forex or penny stocks.It does not apply to illegal, unethical and flat out immoral ponzi schemes.

    Why is it different? In fact you stand a hell of a lot better chance to make money than Blackjack and Forex. I know, I do both. That being said, it’s not any more immoral or unethical than people losing money gambling. Why would it be? Illegal? Only because good ole Uncle sam can’t control it and tax it. If they could they would love them. Whats sad is you not getting that.

    You all act like everybody loses in these surfs when in fact everybody is making money. everyone in Ad-Ventures4U is making money. everyone from the oldest to the newest members. everyone makes the same percentage based on what you put in. It doesn’t filter up to your upline. The company pays your up line a referral fee but it doesn’t come from you. No the odds are a hell of a lot better than casino games but those are ok. Hell everyones beloved Donald Trump has a casino. You may not love him but network TV did.

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  33. A Random Walk Rant: There are a ton of things I know that I don’t post anywhere about AVG, BAS, AGW, ASD, as

    I doubt it.

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  34. joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    alasycia: There’s nothing wrong with Ponzis as long as you know what you’re getting in toYes there is joe, they are 100% illegal.Getting involved with them meansyou aretaking part in an illegal act and promoting them will get you even deeper into conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering.You might also be making some money from an innocent and thus defrauded victim.
    Apart from that, they’re cool

    I have nothing to do with money laundering or wire fraud. that’s the problem with you guys, you throw everyone in to the same category. Actually nobody I know doing this is involved in that. remember 100% illegal here. In the USA. The fact is they are cool and all they need to do is be a little more educational on their homepage for the ones who’s sponsor doesn’t tell them the risks. if the government had more control of the money guess what, they wouldn’t have a problem with them. Vegas or any other place where there are casinos are no different except what? Government control pure and simple. They don’t give a damn if people want to gamble their money as long as they are making theirs and thats as simple as it gets unarguably.

    If you are promoting or even participating in an illegal operation and using the internet to do it, this is where the wire fraud comes in. Ponzis are deemed to be fraudulent, and not just in the US believe me, but all over the world including South America. If a business uses the internet to perpetrate a fraud, it is involved in wire fraud. Anyone who promotes in, especially under the circumstances you do – i.e. knowingly is aiding and abetting.

    And as for money laundering, you just need to use your imagination and remember all those W9s you never filled in and the 1099s you never received and the audited accounts of the various autosurf style businesses that have never been published, the offshore payment processors used etc etc . Let your mind run free on that on.

    On the topic of gambling – everyone who does it knows they are doing it. People stand the same chance. With autosurfs and the like, there is always a percentage of people who are conned into believing they are joining a real and safe business or making a real or safe investment. Some victims may make money, but the players are the ones that know how to win.

    And the reason these schemes dont put warnings on their home pages is because it would destroy the fraud that it is a real business – wouldn’t it?.

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  35. alasycia: And the reason these schemes dont put warnings on their home pages is because it would destroy the fraud that it is a real business – wouldn’t it?.

    Well that’s back to what I said about a little reform on these things. Ad-ventures4U doesn’t guarantee earnings, it says so on the TOS. If you put money in without doing your due diligence then shame on you. There should be a little more education for the VERY FEW who don’t know better about what they are getting in to. I actually was one of those with AVGA. the business model didn’t bother me but I didn’t know that the Bowdoin Harris’s were lowlife camel shit. AVGA would have been fine but the management sucked a huge one. I hate to say it but I wish Andy had been running it because he wouldn’t have let them get mugged by those ewallet scum. that and other things that happened. Maybe it was illegal but ASD was doing fine before they got shut down. I’d say 90,000,000 aint bad and they were paying so if they had left it alone there would have been a lot of people who would have got their money back. Now it remains to be seen if they will.

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  36. Folks, there’s no point arguing with Joe, it’s obvious he hasn’t the wherewith all to follow normal logic. In my last visit to a Thesaurus, one of the synonyms listed there for the word “liar” was “Promoter”. Wow, so Promoters are liars? That makes lots of sense, how else do they get people to follow them except through lies and deception.

    And, Joe.. the business model doesn’t work… never did.. never will….

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  37. ASD had the same disclaimer. It stopped the Feds in their tracks, didn’t it?

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Well that’s back to what I said about a little reform on these things. Ad-ventures4U doesn’t guarantee earnings, it says so on the TOS.

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  38. dirty_bird: ASD had the same disclaimer. It stopped the Feds in their tracks, didn’t it?

    I never said it made it legal, what does that have to do with the feds? I said if they had left it alone a lot of people would have their money now.

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  39. Don – possible secret government agent: And, Joe.. the business model doesn’t work… never did.. never will….

    I invite you to Adventures4U and see it not working. As far as me not having the wherewithal to form logic, you’ve never struck me as all that bright either. By the way your promotor=liar analogy was fucking stupid but I suppose you think it was clever. Not surprising judging by a lot of your posts. I mean that was a stretch and what a sophomoric attempt.

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  40. “joe” I almost swallowed my gum with your comment that AVG would have been fine if Andy had been running it. Who do you think was running it? AVG made this big deal about them “buying” E-Wallet. Now who do you think made that decision? Of course is was Andy. Andy’s name being on the E-wallet is no big surprise. In fact all you have to do is check to see in whose name the bank accounts really are in, and who has signatory authorization on them to see who is “running” AVG. Like the old saying goes, “want to know what is really going on, just follow the money.”

    As far as ASD having $90+ Million and paying, that would have only lasted about another 45 days before they would have run out of money. Their liabilites were accumulating at the rate of 3-1 compounding daily, and the matching bonuses made it worse. For someone who claims they know math, you sure flunked elementary accounting. Next time try using a calculator.

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  41. Lynndel Edgington: “joe” I almost swallowed my gum with your comment that AVG would have been fine if Andy had been running it.Who do you think was running it?AVG made this big deal about them “buying” E-Wallet.Now who do you think made that decision?Of course is was Andy.Andy’s name being on the E-wallet is no big surprise.In fact all you have to do is check to see in whose name the bank accounts really are in, and who has signatory authorization on them to see who is “running” AVG. Like the old saying goes, “want to know what is really going on, just follow the money.”
    As far as ASD having $90+ Million and paying, that would have only lasted about another 45 days before they would have run out of money.Their liabilites were accumulating at the rate of 3-1 compounding daily, and the matching bonuses made it worse. For someone who claims they know math, you sure flunked elementary accounting.Next time try using a calculator.

    Well I doubt ASD would have lasted only that long, you pretend to have all this mathematical proof but you have zilch. as far as Andy running AVGA you are completely wrong. You blow a lot of smoke thinking it makes you look in the know but you aren’t. You have absolutely no clue what was going on in AVGA. You forget, I do know and i can tell you Andy wasn’t running shit.I laugh when you try to tell me anything about AVGA when I have far far more knowledge and firsthand contacts within. So really for the benefit of anyone reading this I’ll just say “You are full of shit”. You blow smoke, well thank god it’s up your own Arse. Remember if you can, there is absolutely nothing YOU can tell me about AVGA.

    “Andy’s name being on the E-wallet is no big surprise”. Probably not but you sure didn’t know it so how the hell could you know anything? Simple, you don’t.

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  42. joe the magnificent (and good looking): As far as ASD having $90+ Million and paying, that would have only lasted about another 45 days before they would have run out of money.Their liabilites were accumulating at the rate of 3-1 compounding daily, and the matching bonuses made it worse. For someone who claims they know math, you sure flunked elementary accounting.Next time try using a calculator.

    Funny how you have all this supposed info on ASD’s accounting and where they stood. They lasted over 2 years and had 90 mill in the bank and probably more according to this Blog so it sure is convenient that they were just about to topple.

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  43. A bit sensitive, are we?

    BTW, AV4U is heading south in a hurry. The admin’s have used the hacker excuse over a small scripting error which they seemed to have had a difficult time fixing. The funny part is that they are so incompetent that they let the debugging errors be visible publicly which leaked details of their directory structure and other info.

    So which excuse is next? They can’t use the hacker excuse again or people will wonder about the security of the site and their competence. Fighting hackers once makes them heroes to the faithful but more than once will cause uncomfortable questions.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): You blow smoke, well thank god it’s up your own Arse. Remember if you can, there is absolutely nothing YOU can tell me about AVGA.

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  44. dirty_bird: A bit sensitive, are we?BTW, AV4U is heading south in a hurry.The admin’s have used the hacker excuse over a small scripting error which they seemed to have had a difficult time fixing.The funny part is that they are so incompetent that they let the debugging errors be visible publicly which leaked details of their directory structure and other info.So which excuse is next?They can’t use the hacker excuse again or people will wonder about the security of the site and their competence.Fighting hackers once makes them heroes to the faithful but more than once will cause uncomfortable questions.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): You blow smoke, well thank god it’s up your own Arse. Remember if you can, there is absolutely nothing YOU can tell me about AVGA.

    I love how you idiots speculate and come up with all of your halass theories. I was just on the site and it’s just right as rain, couldn’t be better. OH NO WERE ABOUT TO CRASH AND BURN. Right, check it out yourself birdbrain.

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  45. joe the magnificent (and good looking): halass

    HALFASS HALFASS thats what i meant

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  46. joe the magnificent (and good looking): They lasted over 2 years and had 90 mill in the bank and probably more according to this Blog so it sure is convenient that they were just about to topple.

    It’s really funny when scammers and fraudsters start quoting those sort of numbers as being “proof” of anything.

    Bernard Madoffs’ ponzi lasted for 18 years and he is believed to have had a BILLION dollars in assets he acquired during that time.

    What’s more, despite Madoff having assets worth a billion dollars, at latest estimate, his clients appear to have lost a total of 50 BILLION dollars.

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  47. joe,

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): I don’t really get why there’s any speculation about Andy being involved with AVGA.

    Perhaps it’s because the “management team” and the co-founders conspired to keep him in the background because they might not make up their ASD losses through AVG if Andy became known as the front man. He did, after all, have a significant PR problem — what with facing the forfeiture of tens of millions of dollars and the prospect of being indicted for mail fraud and wire fraud and tax crimes.

    Sound reasonable to you, joe? If not, you might want to ask yourself why the Feds brought the ASD case as a conspiracy.

    Read the December forfeiture complaint closely. It reads like a PREQUEL to what happened a few months later at AVG. Andy had done this before — at least twice.

    There also is a possibility that ASD, which gets most of the headlines, actually is the offspring of a little-known surf that went by the name of DailyProSurf. It is possible that ASD started in the hole because of losses racked up in DailyProSurf.

    People were not getting paid in the very earliest days of ASD. Then, of course, there was the claim that $1 million had been stolen by Russian hackers.

    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/05/07/special-report-the-largely-unknown-bowdoin-surf/

    One way to look at the December forfeiture complaint is as an announcement by the Feds that they had the blueprint. Regardless, people followed the ASD promoters right into AVG. The Feds’ basic theory of the ASD case is that ASD ramped up the criminality until it found the level of criminality that would work — the videos, the legality statement, etc.

    There is no doubt — none whatsoever — that Andy was surrounded by dubious people. There also is no doubt that the organizational structure was a trainwreck.

    Andy himself “advertised” a failed, dissolved business to earn “rebates.” And he paid an employee to surf for Andy’s son, so the son could earn “rebates,” according to the Feds. If that weren’t enough, he gifted favored individuals into the “program,” placing the burden of paying for the gifts on the back of the rank-and-file. ASD paid certain people in “ad-packs,” again shifting the burden of the “rebates” to the rank-and-file.

    One way to look at the January/April RICO filings, which were brought as a racketeering conspiracy involving Bowdoin and unnamed co-conspirators, is as an announcement by the plaintiffs’ lawyers that they believed the “enterprise” was larger than ASD itself.

    Here are just TWO words from the RICO filing that sent a strong message:

    “other co-conspirators.”

    Any person who participated could be a co-conspirator, including insiders, upline sponsors, downline groups, promoters — whether they include a “play at your own risk” or “spend only what you can afford” disclaimer or not. The lawyers say indictable offenses occurred and view it as a violation of this federal statute:

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_96.html

    The Feds cited the same statute in the August AND December filings. AVG’s name now appears in the RICO filings, though not as a defendant. And it’s not as though participants were not warned. The RICO case was filed in January — PRIOR to the launch of AVG, which had OBVIOUS ties to ASD.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): When I sent my original money in to Ewallet it said right on the back page from me to Andy Bowdoin

    Have you thought about calling the Secret Service and letting them know what you observed so genuine victims/unsophisticated consumers have a chance of getting some money back?

    Or do you figure a promoter’s disclaimer makes the obvious problems of pitching AVG — when the alleged Bowdoin “enterprise” is under investigation by the Feds, state authorities and and RICO attorneys — somehow go away?

    Hardcore criminality disguised as legitimate business exists in this world, joe. I covered a story for YEARS that involved hundreds of victims getting fleeced out of their homes by mortgage fraudsters. One of the victims was a 78-year-old, World War II vet WHO HAD NO LEGS. Another was a widow whose mortgage was “signed” by her husband AFTER his death. Another victim was a woman whose home was sold right out from under her by her ex-boyfriend, working with a corrupt broker. The ex bought a DOG with the corrupt proceeds.

    One of the scammers bought a ROLLS-ROYCE with the proceeds from corrupt deals. The Feds seized his cash, his bank accounts and the Rolls. Unlike the ASD case, people cheered the Feds from the rooftops. The only people who didn’t cheer were the fraudsters. They threatened to sue before being ushered into prison for mail fraud.

    One of the brokers whose business later was nuked by authorities set up a side business. He looked at credit reports of his marks, told them he could arrange loans if they would agree to let him finance their charge-offs — and then started his own collection agency.

    He then placed charge-offs from his bogus collection agency on his clients’ reports, got them qualified for higher loans by using a corrupt appraiser, used the extra proceeds from the loans to “pay off” the bogus charge-offs his bogus collection agency placed on their credit reports, and took a higher profit as a broker because of the inflated loan value he had arranged.

    All those loans — and tens of thousands of other corrupt loans from every corner of the country — ended up as mortgage-backed securities on Wall Street. You know what happened next, right? The banking industry was brought to its knees.

    Wanna take a guess how one of the brokers pulled off the scam? Well, never mind: He ran the company under at least four different names, with maildrops in different cities. His salesman used different names, depending on who the customer was and what city they were in. He screwed up when he forgot what city he was in and reintroduced himself to a customer using a name different than the name he had used during his first call.

    They ALWAYS screw up, joe. There simply are too many details to remember in broad conspiracies — and because some of the people involved actually don’t understand it’s a conspiracy, they openly share information, get scolded by the committed criminals for being too open — and then finally figure it out and make a beeline for the phone to see if they can arrange a deal to avoid indictment.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Anyone who signed up early had to see that, it was right there on Ewallet.

    Then “anyone” who saw that and associated Bowdoin with ASD is a potential co-conspirator. That’s actually good news for the real victims. It’s possible that the government can identify these people and claw back all their earnings — or, at a minimum, exclude them from the restitution pool.

    I’m given to believe that lots of AVG promoters are worried sick right now. Any member of their downlines could call the Feds and tell them that their sponsor introduced them to AVG knowing full well Bowdoin was involved.

    Of course, they also have the “or should have known” problem, because the Feds and the RICO lawyers have neatly exposed the wink-nod nature of the ASD enterprise and stripped away the cover serial promoters once enjoyed.

    Any member who took the word of serial promoters over the word of the men and women who safeguard the Treasury and the life of the President of the United States is a fool.

    This is not sneaking a beer during Prohibition or a scofflaw offense; this is an attack on the U.S. Treasury that grew into an international attack on the U.S. Treasury — and it is untenable because not even the operators know who they’re enabling to commit even greater crimes, including crimes against humanity.

    Patrick

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  48. What Patrick said !!!

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  49. Yeah little joe, what Patrick said !!!

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  50. admin: joe,

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): I don’t really get why there’s any speculation about Andy being involved with AVGA.

    Perhaps it’s because the “management team” and the co-founders conspired to keep him in the background because they might not make up their ASD losses through AVG if Andy became known as the front man. He did, after all, have a significant PR problem — what with facing the forfeiture of tens of millions of dollars and the prospect of being indicted for mail fraud and wire fraud and tax crimes.Sound reasonable to you, joe? If not, you might want to ask yourself why the Feds brought the ASD case as a conspiracy.Read the December forfeiture complaint closely. It reads like a PREQUEL to what happened a few months later at AVG. Andy had done this before — at least twice.
    There also is a possibility that ASD, which gets most of the headlines, actually is the offspring of a little-known surf that went by the name of DailyProSurf. It is possible that ASD started in the hole because of losses racked up in DailyProSurf.People were not getting paid in the very earliest days of ASD. Then, of course, there was the claim that $1 million had been stolen by Russian hackers.
    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/05/07/special-report-the-largely-unknown-bowdoin-surf/
    One way to look at the December forfeiture complaint is as an announcement by the Feds that they had the blueprint. Regardless, people followed the ASD promoters right into AVG. The Feds’ basic theory of the ASD case is that ASD ramped up the criminality until it found the level of criminality that would work — the videos, the legality statement, etc.There is no doubt — none whatsoever — that Andy was surrounded by dubious people. There also is no doubt that the organizational structure was a trainwreck.
    Andy himself “advertised” a failed, dissolved business to earn “rebates.” And he paid an employee to surf for Andy’s son, so the son could earn “rebates,” according to the Feds. If that weren’t enough, he gifted favored individuals into the “program,” placing the burden of paying for the gifts on the back of the rank-and-file. ASD paid certain people in “ad-packs,” again shifting the burden of the “rebates” to the rank-and-file.
    One way to look at the January/April RICO filings, which were brought as a racketeering conspiracy involving Bowdoin and unnamed co-conspirators, is as an announcement by the plaintiffs’ lawyers that they believed the “enterprise” was larger than ASD itself.Here are just TWO words from the RICO filing that sent a strong message:“other co-conspirators.”Any person who participated could be a co-conspirator, including insiders, upline sponsors, downline groups, promoters — whether they include a “play at your own risk” or “spend only what you can afford” disclaimer or not. The lawyers say indictable offenses occurred and view it as a violation of this federal statute:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_96.htmlThe Feds cited the same statute in the August AND December filings. AVG’s name now appears in the RICO filings, though not as a defendant. And it’s not as though participants were not warned. The RICO case was filed in January — PRIOR to the launch of AVG, which had OBVIOUS ties to ASD.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): When I sent my original money in to Ewallet it said right on the back page from me to Andy Bowdoin

    Have you thought about calling the Secret Service and letting them know what you observed so genuine victims/unsophisticated consumers have a chance of getting some money back?
    Or do you figure a promoter’s disclaimer makes the obvious problems of pitching AVG — when the alleged Bowdoin “enterprise” is under investigation by the Feds, state authorities and and RICO attorneys — somehow go away?Hardcore criminality disguised as legitimate business exists in this world, joe. I covered a story for YEARS that involved hundreds of victims getting fleeced out of their homes by mortgage fraudsters. One of the victims was a 78-year-old, World War II vet WHO HAD NO LEGS. Another was a widow whose mortgage was “signed” by her husband AFTER his death. Another victim was a woman whose home was sold right out from under her by her ex-boyfriend, working with a corrupt broker. The ex bought a DOG with the corrupt proceeds.
    One of the scammers bought a ROLLS-ROYCE with the proceeds from corrupt deals. The Feds seized his cash, his bank accounts and the Rolls. Unlike the ASD case, people cheered the Feds from the rooftops. The only people who didn’t cheer were the fraudsters. They threatened to sue before being ushered into prison for mail fraud.One of the brokers whose business later was nuked by authorities set up a side business. He looked at credit reports of his marks, told them he could arrange loans if they would agree to let him finance their charge-offs — and then started his own collection agency.He then placed charge-offs from his bogus collection agency on his clients’ reports, got them qualified for higher loans by using a corrupt appraiser, used the extra proceeds from the loans to “pay off” the bogus charge-offs his bogus collection agency placed on their credit reports, and took a higher profit as a broker because of the inflated loan value he had arranged.All those loans — and tens of thousands of other corrupt loans from every corner of the country — ended up as mortgage-backed securities on Wall Street. You know what happened next, right? The banking industry was brought to its knees.
    Wanna take a guess how one of the brokers pulled off the scam? Well, never mind: He ran the company under at least four different names, with maildrops in different cities. His salesman used different names, depending on who the customer was and what city they were in. He screwed up when he forgot what city he was in and reintroduced himself to a customer using a name different than the name he had used during his first call.They ALWAYS screw up, joe. There simply are too many details to remember in broad conspiracies — and because some of the people involved actually don’t understand it’s a conspiracy, they openly share information, get scolded by the committed criminals for being too open — and then finally figure it out and make a beeline for the phone to see if they can arrange a deal to avoid indictment.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Anyone who signed up early had to see that, it was right there on Ewallet.

    Then “anyone” who saw that and associated Bowdoin with ASD is a potential co-conspirator. That’s actually good news for the real victims. It’s possible that the government can identify these people and claw back all their earnings — or, at a minimum, exclude them from the restitution pool.I’m given to believe that lots of AVG promoters are worried sick right now. Any member of their downlines could call the Feds and tell them that their sponsor introduced them to AVG knowing full well Bowdoin was involved.Of course, they also have the “or should have known” problem, because the Feds and the RICO lawyers have neatly exposed the wink-nod nature of the ASD enterprise and stripped away the cover serial promoters once enjoyed.Any member who took the word of serial promoters over the word of the men and women who safeguard the Treasury and the life of the President of the United States is a fool.This is not sneaking a beer during Prohibition or a scofflaw offense; this is an attack on the U.S. Treasury that grew into an international attack on the U.S. Treasury — and it is untenable because not even the operators know who they’re enabling to commit even greater crimes, including crimes against humanity.Patrick

    Thank you Patrick, that was great but what I meant when I said i wondered about the speculation of AB being involved with AVGA was What speculation? some of you seemed to know but not be aware of the simple proof I offered. His name was right there. I didn’t know who he was because I had never heard of ASD.

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  51. Your timing was perfect. Steve was likely typing his exit letter at the time you posted…

    ***********************************************

    Due to secruity reason and threats to my Family,

    We will be revenue sharing to all the members that request a cashout this week. I really really wanted to continue but with the current events with the scammers and the hackers and the attacks to the site I just cannot continue the revenue sharing portion of the program.

    PLEASE READ ENTIRE NEWSLETTER (this will be our last revenue sharing Week)

    We will be putting a cashout request on the site and please give as many payment proccessors as you can so that it will be easier for us to complete all revenue sharing payouts, .

    All members that have cashed out out revenue and is in profit you will be able to keep your purchased ventures and use the product that you have purchased but will NOT Share in this last Revenue Share. The remaider of the members will be invovled in this last revenue share and will have the opp to request a cashout and share in our Revenue. We have enough revenue to make this worth your wild to collect on. We have never missed a revenue share and will not miss this one either.

    If you do not request a cashout we will consider that you purchased advertising and did not intend to share in our Revenue.

    This Revenue share will be the total share of more than 75% of all earnings plus 90% of all other income that has came into our program that has not been previously cashed out. We will have the cashout button on the site for several days so that all that has not shared that qualifies will have the opp to get involved in the last Revenue Share.

    The site will continue to grow and we have a great place to advertise and you will see allot more products to purchase. We are better than traffic swarm and we are listed on google as number one.

    We have been threatened and my family is more important to me than most will know. We Never ever said the revenue share was a set % and inorder to move other income forward I made a decision that put my family in danger and I will not tolerate that.

    99% of the members understood where we were going but the small % that I am scared of I just cannot risk because we really are who we said we are and we really did intend to move us into the future.

    We will not be answering scary support or answering the phone anymore until we have completed the cashout requests.

    The gold site will continue and we do have a referral commission program.

    How the cashout will work,

    They will be a Cashout button put on the site and it will ask you for some info, please fill out as many fields as you can, You will have needed to surf to get your cashout that has not changed. All upgrades from this point that has been sent thru the mail will be returned to the sender.

    Once the Revenue Share is complete that will be the final one and all earnings will have been paid out and we will end our Revenue Share portion of the site.

    We cannot control the Members so please give us to Aug 4th to process all payments because if members complain to the payment proccessors and they Freeze our accounts we will not be liable for any of the cashouts and the Revenue Share monies will held by the payment processors and we will not have control and they will only pay a portion of the monies back to the members. We have never pulled monies out of the proccessors only added to them so please we will lose control of members monies and we will no longer be responsible and will end the revenue share immediatly. If this happens then all Revenue will be handled thru the payment proccessors and all members will keep the product they purchased and be able to use that product and they will rely on the payment proccessor to share the revenue. WE WILL NOT BE HELD LIABLE IF THIS HAPPENS.

    I have put my heart and soul into the site and done my very best. Thanks Steve Smith

    I will continue to communicate until the proccess is over so that you will not have to worry that I am not going to do what I said I was going to do. I have never ever missed a Revenue Share payout and will not miss this one either if you let me. I will tell you if members freeze the accounts and you can try and get your cashouts thru the proccessors.

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    joe the magnificent (and good looking): I love how you idiots speculate and come up with all of your halass theories. I was just on the site and it’s just right as rain, couldn’t be better. OH NO WERE ABOUT TO CRASH AND BURN. Right, check it out yourself birdbrain.

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  52. Nah,

    Ho Hum

    boring and predictable.

    I still like the “our offices were firebombed and then a cyclone blew away our servers” one better.

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  53. joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Don – possible secret government agent: And, Joe.. the business model doesn’t work… never did.. never will….

    I invite you to Adventures4U and see it not working. As far as me not having the wherewithal to form logic, you’ve never struck me as all that bright either. By the way your promotor=liar analogy was fucking stupid but I suppose you think it was clever. Not surprising judging by a lot of your posts. I mean that was a stretch and what a sophomoric attempt.

    It was not an analogy, Joe, it was from a published book and recognized by we who speak English. Don’t blame me, I didn’t form the conclusion it was a synonym, some really, really smart person did that. Argue with them, ya big dufus! As far as my level of intelligence, I still beat you by a mile. I can spell Promoter, at least… and by being sophomoric, I beat you by at least 5 grade levels. Thanks for the compliment…

    Wanna tell me again how well this auto surf is doing???

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  54. jtm,

    I don’t think you’re stupid — I think that you are criminally pushing an illegal enterprise and as you’ve posted, you don’t care……nice.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    ……You know it’s funny I’ve always noticed that when someone attacks someones IQ they usually are very insecure about their own intellect as well you should be. I don’t think you have too many people convinced I’m a dummy.

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  55. jtm,

    Actually, it has been proven beyond a mathematical doubt that only 16% could have made money in AVG, and a slightly higher % in AV4U (because the chief scammer didn’t keep as much as the AVG heads). See Eagle’s site — I know you know the way there. I am still waiting for your detailed analysis of how I am wrong in my analysis of those two scams. You’ve been pretty quiet on that front. Why? Such simple questions I ask of you, yet no coherent answers, or a whiff of a counterproof. Someone who claims to know the math forwards and backwards should be able to make short work of disproving my proof, but alas, it stands unchallenged…….

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): ……You all act like everybody loses in these surfs when in fact everybody is making money. everyone in Ad-Ventures4U is making money…..

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  56. jtm,

    Absolutely you are 100% correct (bet you never thoughts I’d say that) in your statement “if they (the gov’t) had left it alone a lot of people would have their money now.” You do show with this statement that you do understand Ponzi schemes. Those people who were in loss, had ASD continued unencumbered by the gov’t, would be in profit by now assuming that ASD could have recruited enough new suckers/members to pay off those earlier “losers.” Problem is, the number of losers required to make winners of the people who were losers at the time of the seizure is MUCH greater than the # of losers last Aug 2. THAT is why these things are illegal jtm, as you well know and acknowledge, while admitting that you don’t care. By the way, the same 16% winners applies to ASD as well, but rather than have you defend ASD, I’ll ask Jeff Vavra to do so (he claims to really, really understand the ASD math and believes it passionately to this day)

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): I never said it made it legal, what does that have to do with the feds? I said if they had left it alone a lot of people would have their money now.

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  57. Entertained,

    I’m not sure what the current argument in the ASD universe against your math is.

    Last I’d heard, the argument against the government’s math was something along these lines: No flunky with a J-O-B serving his country could be relied upon to parse what only Andy could understand.

    The current argument on whether rebates were guaranteed or not, however, seems to be a hybrid of the lottery is legal and no one gets in a snit when McDonald’s sells greasy food.

    On a side note, the current math on bank failures in the United States this year is 84:

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/28/news/economy/bank_failure/?postversion=2009082819

    Only a few banks failed in 2007.

    Of course, some promoters have used the liquidity crisis as a reason to join the surfs.

    These “advertising” services might be incapable of issuing a comprehensible news release, but they sure do know how to get marks to wire their cash to people who use Hotmail addresses at the offshore processors.

    The purported ADV4U guy’s resume reads like this:

    * July 2008: Oprah scam. Hotmail address.
    * December 2008: ADV4U (after ASD, Golden Panda and LaFuenteDinero seizures.) Hotmail address.
    * August 2009: Gold-harvesting site. Hotmail address.

    It’s OK, though, because of the lottery and cheeseburgers — and because Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and prominent retailers offer rebates.

    And because civil servant = flunky.

    Patrick

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  58. I received the following email regarding Andy and the Sept. 14th date. I can not confirm any of this as being legit.
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    From: Mattoon Sara
    Date: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:26 AM
    Subject: ASD Update
    To:

    Hi Everyone-
    I have had a lengthy conversation with Andy and a few followup ones. He has given me permission to give you this update.
    The government is really playing hardball and the negotiations are very intense. As things stand now (subject to last minute changes) it will all be over September 14. When that occurs, Andy plans to have a conference call to talk to all of you. Hopefully your email address is the same as the one ASD has for you so you’ll receive that conference call alert in a timely manner. If not, let your team members know that you need to be alerted. The plan is to record the call so, if you miss it, there will be a followup message going out that will give you the procedure to get on that recorded call, so please don’t email me to ask me what happened on the call. Remember that technical difficulties always occur so it’s better to get onto the call live than count on getting it later in recorded fashion. Please keep an eye out on your emails as, when this occurs, it may happen very quickly– with not a lot of notice.
    A handful of people have sent messages that they don’t understand why Andy hasn’t communicated to everyone and, to them, that means Andy is a crook. Those people don’t realize that, when a person is involved in a legal issue, their attorneys counsel them not to discuss anything with anyone. Why? Because those who want to win the case against that person will look for anything the person says, take it out of context, and use it against the person. It’s very commonly done and done effectively. Many innocent people are in jail because of that very mistake. Andy couldn’t take the chance. Please know that this has been very hard on him, not being able to talk to you directly.
    Many Blessings to you all.
    God Is With You All,
    Sara

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  59. A handful of people have sent messages that they don’t understand why Andy hasn’t communicated to everyone and, to them, that means Andy is a crook. Those people don’t realize that, when a person is involved in a legal issue, their attorneys counsel them not to discuss anything with anyone. Why? Because those who want to win the case against that person will look for anything the person says, take it out of context, and use it against the person. It’s very commonly done and done effectively. Many innocent people are in jail because of that very mistake. Andy couldn’t take the chance. Please know that this has been very hard on him, not being able to talk to you directly

    Well I guess we now know that if and when Andy Bowdoin is jailed, it wont be his fault. It will be the fault of anyone who testified against him.

    I am amazed, at this stage of the game, that anyone would believe anything that Bowdoin. He has demomonstrated his capacity to look people in the eye and lie many many times now. NO ONE involved in any way with ASD can have missed that.

    The only effect this “report” has had on me is to make me want to throw up. How hypocritical can he get?

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  60. Quick note:

    The note as posted above is from “big joe,” as opposed to “little joe.”

    Patrick

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  61. admin: Quick note:The note as posted above is from “big joe,” as opposed to “little joe.”Patrick

    Thanks Patrick for making that distinction 8>)

    Big Joe

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  62. It would seem that Sara Mattoon, or at least that moniker is associated with ASD. What she’s trying to accomplish is another matter.

    http://cybersurfmonitor.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=148

    Hi,

    Please read the info below written by Sara Mattoon on how to solve the page breaker problem while you are viewing ads.

    Snipped by dB.

    If you have any questions or challenges related to this procedure or these issues, send an e-mail to sara@asdcashgenerator.com

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  63. …..and apparently she was one of the early insiders, maybe as an employee, in their IT area.

    http://www.asamonitor.com/forum/index.php?s=1dc1a8db6bd5c0bde47b2fcad1e71719&showtopic=8892&st=480&p=174131&#entry174131

    Posted by marketman, on the ASA forum:

    “I’m extremely happy. I earned $195 yesterday and haven’t recevied my daily referral fees yet, which should bring it well over $200, I’m sure.

    I received a long email from Sarah Mattoon, as I imagine some of you did also. Very nice and helpful lady, that’s going through a trial now. Her husband has been in serious condition for some time now, because of an accident, and she herself was also recently involved in an accident.

    This didn’t stop her from communicating though. She did say it is hard to keep help. After they are trained, which takes another support person to do, they don’t stay.
    She mentioned checking the news section, and if you have exhausted all other avenues, contact her.
    There have been ddos attacks also, and had to build a special firewall to protect the site. Hundreds of cashouts have been going out every day.
    There were issues with the fastmax card. The company apparently was changing fees, that was not agreed upon.
    She asked Andy directly how the health of ASD was, and he said it was solid.

    We need to have patience here. The site is running smooth now, our balances are being corrected, etc.”

    dirty_bird: It would seem that Sara Mattoon, or at least that moniker is associated with ASD. What she’s trying to accomplish is another matter.http://cybersurfmonitor.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=148

    Hi,Please read the info below written by Sara Mattoon on how to solve the page breaker problem while you are viewing ads. Snipped by dB.If you have any questions or challenges related to this procedure or these issues, send an e-mail to sara@asdcashgenerator.com

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  64. I posted Sara’s letter on the Surf’s Up forum. One replay says that we can trust Sara because she is honest. They told us Andy was “honest” too. Another post asks who they contact at ASD to tell them of an address change so ASD can return their money to them.

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  65. I sure as hell hope that none of my relatives joins a Ponzi. It seems threats, bad health and other accidents go hand in hand with these operations.

    Entertained: Her husband has been in serious condition for some time now, because of an accident, and she herself was also recently involved in an accident.

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