BREAKING NEWS: AdVentures4U, New Darling Of Surf World, Says It Was Threatened; Note Says Cashouts Will Be Suspended Soon And Members Will Have To Make Do With Their ‘Advertising’ Purchases; Ponzi Forums In Uproar

UPDATED 11:57 A.M. EDT (U.S.A.) There are widespread reports this morning that AdVentures4U (ADV4U), the new darling of the autosurf world, is suspending “revenue sharing” and that its owner was threatened.

The reports come on the heels of various reports that the surf slashed payout rates and poured money into a gold-buying business known as TradingGold4Cash. ADV4U purportedly had more than 60,000 members and positioned itself as a “marketer’s dream.”

These remarks were sent members today and were attributed to Steve Smith, the purported owner of AdVentures4U.

Smith purportedly acknowledged that he put his family in danger by starting an autosurf.

“We have been threatened and my family is more important to me than most will know,”  Smith purportedly said. “We Never (sic) ever said the revenue share was a set % and in order to move other income forward I made a decision that put my family in danger and I will not tolerate that.”

“99% of the members understood where we were going but the small % that I am scared of I just cannot risk because we really are who we said we are and we really did intend to move us into the future,” Smith purportedly said. “We will not be answering scary support or answering the phone anymore until we have completed the cashout requests.”

Smith purportedly urged members not to contact offshore payment processors to file complaints, saying any suspension of offshore accounts would result in members getting lower refunds.

“We cannot control the Members so please give us to Aug 4th (sic?) to process all payments because if members complain to the payment proccessors (sic) and they Freeze our accounts we will not be liable for any of the cashouts and the Revenue Share monies will held by the payment processors and we will not have control and they will only pay a portion of the monies back to the members,” Smith purportedly said.

It was not immediately clear why the message cited the Aug. 4 date — a date in the past.

AdVentures4U purportedly conducted business with a Hotmail address. The gold site purportedly is a subsidiary.

The ADV4U website appears still to be functional, although an audio message that once started up upon the loading of the page appears to have been disabled.

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  1. I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked….

    But I bet Joe knew it. He’s been dead on every time.

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  2. Well, having found the chat room through a members blog – all hell seems to be letting loose. Everyone wants their money back and some are even suggesting that Steve Ray Smith is a liar and that they have been scammed AND that the gold site may not even exist!

    http://www.freewebs.com/erel42/

    Sorry my html is carp – you’ll have to copy paste it

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  3. DB, Joe must have borrowed Bob Guenther’s crystal ball..They are both well known prognosticators.

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  4. Wow, looks like my “Guarantee” happened way ahead of time.

    I absolutely guaranteed that AD-4U would be toast by St. Patrick’s Day, 2010 and probably by Christmas, 2009.

    Wow, they didn’t even get to Labor Day, 2009.

    It looks like the Black Box Triumphs over ignorance again (as it always will).

    ARWR

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  5. dirty_bird: I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked….But I bet Joe knew it.He’s been dead on every time.

    Actually believe it or not I was waiting for the email, I knew about this 2 days ago, actually almost 3. so why all my BS? Just to be an asshole and raise hell. In hind sight I would have been better off to (predict it knowingly) so that I could tell you exactly when it would end. Oh well, on to the next wave, there are a bunch more. It’s like I told you they all have a shelf life and I know why he’s closing. Here’s a hint for you, it aint because of threats. Any kind. All I know is I’m not eligible for any cashout because I made too much which i’m putting into a couple of the new ones that are almost exactly like ADV. I’ll tell you now, they will go the typical 6 months or a little more depending. By that time I will have made thousands more for the next ones. Of course it depends how many I can bring in. Anyway this was one hell of an AD-Venture!(sick)

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  6. joe;

    You said:

    “…so why all my BS? Just to be an a**hole and raise hell.”

    Congratulations joe, on this confession. Some of us have recognized this aspect of your character, but it’s interesting to see you publicly acknowledge it.

    PWD

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  7. joe the magnificent (and good looking):
    Actually believe it or not I was waiting for the email, I knew about this 2 days ago, actually almost 3.

    little joe, always after the fact with you, what a crock, you’re a real corker and maybe a bit neurotic.

    Sigmund would have a hay day with you. I would be surprised if “anal expulsive” wasn’t the direction he would lean.

    Big Joe

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  8. Joe:

    I just hope and pray that somewhere out there is a federal task force, watching, compiling, tracking the scamster leaders like you who fleece the gullible and naive.

    You have now unequivocally labeled yourself as a serial promoter of ponzi schemes.

    If there is justice in the world you and your ilk will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, both criminally and civilly.

    ARWR

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    dirty_bird: I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked….But I bet Joe knew it.He’s been dead on every time.

    Actually believe it or not I was waiting for the email, I knew about this 2 days ago, actually almost 3. so why all my BS? Just to be an asshole and raise hell. In hind sight I would have been better off to (predict it knowingly) so that I could tell you exactly when it would end. Oh well, on to the next wave, there are a bunch more. It’s like I told you they all have a shelf life and I know why he’s closing. Here’s a hint for you, it aint because of threats. Any kind. All I know is I’m not eligible for any cashout because I made too much which i’m putting into a couple of the new ones that are almost exactly like ADV. I’ll tell you now, they will go the typical 6 months or a little more depending. By that time I will have made thousands more for the next ones. Of course it depends how many I can bring in. Anyway this was one hell of an AD-Venture!(sick)

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  9. Pat Dunn: joe;You said:“…so why all my BS? Just to be an a**hole and raise hell.”
    Congratulations joe, on this confession. Some of us have recognized this aspect of your character, but it’s interesting to see you publicly acknowledge it.PWD

    It’s not the first time, read my semi retirement post on “and the ponzis will die as one”. Also I knew someone would say something about “After the fact” I come forward as if I really didn’t know. think about it, I hadn’t been on here in a while and I chose now. Well, thats because I knew and was kinda snooping to see if anyone here knew which they didn’t. Oh there were some predictions but they were guesses at best which of course they’ll put off as knowing but they didn’t. There weren’t any accurate enough so it was easy to tell. Anyway one of the new ones you guys should focus on is Pay it Forward Traffic, it’s a beauty along with Yes I Can Share. There are a couple of others that look promising too so grab your boards there are some big waves headed our way.

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  10. Joe: Sigmund would have a hay day with you. I would be surprised if “anal expulsive” wasn’t the direction he would lean.

    Probably even worse.

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  11. joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Joe: Sigmund would have a hay day with you. I would be surprised if “anal expulsive” wasn’t the direction he would lean.

    Probably even worse.

    little joe, I have to hand it to you. You do have a sense of humor. Made me laugh.

    Big Joe

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  12. Here is an ad last year from “Steve Smith” that resembles some of the pitches in the Oprah cash-gifting scheme:

    http://kansascitymo.yatbo.com/forsale-a-business-a-433528-a-Brand-new-never-before-been-done

    Patrick

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  13. And a domain titled 4UPay.com that throws a scripting error of some sort.

    http://4upay.com

    Patrick

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  14. Kind of makes you wonder if ‘joe’ isn’t reallly ‘joey.’ But this notion that he is shutting down because of threats against his family is not flying with me. To me it is a smoke screen as to the real reason. Even by his shutting it down still does not preclude his being arrested for running a Ponzi; as well as the “major players” that were involved. Will be interesting to see what happens over the next week won’t it.

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  15. Lynndel Edgington: ’ But this notion that he is shutting down because of threats against his family is not flying with me.

    I already told you that wasn’t it. If you really think about it it’s quite simple.

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  16. joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Lynndel Edgington: ’ But this notion that he is shutting down because of threats against his family is not flying with me.

    I already told you that wasn’t it. If you really think about it it’s quite simple.

    I’ll give you a hint. What do Joe Louis, Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson among others all have in common?

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  17. joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Pat Dunn: joe;You said:“…so why all my BS? Just to be an a**hole and raise hell.”
    Congratulations joe, on this confession. Some of us have recognized this aspect of your character, but it’s interesting to see you publicly acknowledge it.PWD

    It’s not the first time, read my semi retirement post on “and the ponzis will die as one”. Also I knew someone would say something about “After the fact” I come forward as if I really didn’t know. think about it, I hadn’t been on here in a while and I chose now. Well, thats because I knew and was kinda snooping to see if anyone here knew which they didn’t. Oh there were some predictions but they were guesses at best which of course they’ll put off as knowing but they didn’t. There weren’t any accurate enough so it was easy to tell. Anyway one of the new ones you guys should focus on is Pay it Forward Traffic, it’s a beauty along with Yes I Can Share. There are a couple of others that look promising too so grab your boards there are some big waves headed our way.

    And what will you do when the IRS wipes you out coming after the taxes you owe from all this surfing, Joe?

    That 12-15% weekly they talk about adds up fast, and the IRS is watching the major sites discussing moneymaking programs now.

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  18. Wonder how Eddie W. Gillespie feels today? He dismissed ADV4U’s critics as “MORONS” and idiots and “its,” meaning they were subhuman — all while asserting his superior knowledge.

    And he called me BOTH an “it” and a “fag” — all while asserting he hadn’t badmouthed anybody in his 26 years in business.

    A trip down Memory Lane. From Eddie W. Gillespie on Aug. 18:

    Eddie W Gillespie: On second thought ..some of you idiots DO deserve a reply! First of all Ad-ventures4u..auto-surf??? Now you’re really showing your ignorance aside from the fact that many of you can’t even spell what you’re writing about.

    A few of you HAVE to be or have been adv members because you know a few things that only members could have known. There was a member in the adv chat room several days ago that was all bent out of shape because he / she can’t take all “it’s” money out in a lump sum. How are you going to make money in revenue sharing that way? Perhaps “it” saw an ad for another revenue sharing program that allows members to “hit and run” making a measly ten bucks or so then get out.

    Just how long will ANY revenue sharing program last like that? I’ve seen several programs trying to compete with adv by saying in ads ” no 50% rule “, ” no hit and run clause”, etc. Think about it. If every depositor at any of the biggest banks on Earth, which will pay maybe 2% per YEAR suddenly went to their bank and withdrew every dime of their money do you think that bank would stay in business? NO. NO , NO because they invest that money to earn more for themselves and return MUCH less than adv.

    Many of the other revenue sharing programs have almost identical TOS rules as adv. In fact I saw one that was IDENTICAL (obviously this moron couldn’t come up with his own so he ” copied and pasted” adv4u).

    “PatrickPretty” hmm.. Patrick is a male name…wonder if it’s a fag???’….”Pretty?”

    By the way ,I’m also wondering why only adv is accused here? Could it be that some of you badmouthing adv are owners of the competing programs or at least have a high vested interest in them? They are all basically the same except that adv has upwards of 56,000 members where as the competitors have a few hundred to a few thousand. Maybe the membership numbers speak for the integrity of the programs.

    I had a thriving offline business for 26 and a half years and not once did I resort to ” badmouthing” my competitors to gain business. That’s as unprofessional as it gets people. If you don’t agree with adv policies then simply DON’T join.

    If you already have and you’re so sure you’re going to lose your whole ten or twenty dollars you’ve probably invested then you CAN cash out 100% of your weekly earnings until you have your lunch money back. I have more than lunch money there myself and am not losing sleep over it, much less badmouthing someone else over it. If I find it was a mistake..big deal..I’ll learn from it and move on.

    There are always people in the world who have nothing better to do than shoot off their big mouths when they don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. I’m out of here.You bunch of idiots make me sick!!!

    Patrick

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  19. Well ‘joe’ Steve has a lot more problems than just one. Let’s see, no company registration anywhere, which means he is running an illegal company before we get to the Ponzi aspect of it, then we have Tax issues both state and federal, then we have running a Ponzi, which could be both state and federal charges, then add in money laundering, wire fraud, plus a possible few other state and federal charges; and I would say he has a lot of reasons to try and shut it down, not just one.

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  20. joe the magnificent (and good looking): What do Joe Louis, Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson among others all have in common?

    Joe Louis has “issues” with tax, Ali has a debilitating mental condition, Mike Tyson was convicted of rape. “joe” seems to be suggesting that in order to be involved with these obvious ponzi schemes you need to be mentally ill and/or have a criminal past. The criminal past bit matches “Too Honest To Testify” Andy Bowdoin.

    admin: Wonder how Eddie W. Gillespie feels today?

    His latest pimp-mail is just the usual nonsense, “Internet Affiliate Marketing” (aka pimp MLM snake-oil rubbish), with yellow-&-black text. I won’t post the URL, but it ends with “pips.html”. Yes really, PIPS. It still lives on.

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  21. Tony H: oe Louis has “issues” with tax, Ali has a debilitating mental condition, Mike Tyson was convicted of rape. “joe” seems to be suggesting that in order to be involved with these obvious ponzi schemes you need to be mentally ill and/or have a criminal past. The criminal past bit matches “Too Honest To Testify” Andy Bowdoin.

    No hermaphrodite thats not the connection. As I said ” in common” so you’re not even clever. Hey, aren’t you the one I told before that you are trying to hard to sound like a couple of other posters here? And to knock it off you’re not good at it? If not then it goes for you too! Have In Common!!

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  22. Sounds like someone has a “man-crush” on Patrick!!! and on Tony H !!

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  23. Don: Sounds like someone has a “man-crush” on Patrick!!!and on Tony H !!

    Wow, I didn’t know you were a fudgepacker! I’m excited because you’re the one I was hoping for. You just seem like you can make a man really happy with all that experience and all.

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  24. joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Lynndel Edgington: ’ But this notion that he is shutting down because of threats against his family is not flying with me.

    I already told you that wasn’t it. If you really think about it it’s quite simple.

    I’ll give you a hint. What do Joe Louis, Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson among others all have in common?

    They are all black pugilists.

    I fail to see an obvious tie between them that is shared with Mr. Smith.

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  25. Prof. Henry Higgins:

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Lynndel Edgington: ’ But this notion that he is shutting down because of threats against his family is not flying with me.

    I already told you that wasn’t it. If you really think about it it’s quite simple.

    I’ll give you a hint. What do Joe Louis, Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson among others all have in common?

    They are all black pugilists.I fail to see an obvious tie between them that is shared with Mr. Smith.

    Well they don’t have anything in common with him but they have something in common with each other in that they all fought past their prime or better years or what ever and went down hard. Mr Smith doesn’t want to do that. That being said it’s still a revenue share for existing members, he isn;t bringing in new people and it’s being funded by outside revenue, namely the gold site but it was a perfect time to get out of the Ponzi part of it.

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  26. joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Prof. Henry Higgins:

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Lynndel Edgington: ’ But this notion that he is shutting down because of threats against his family is not flying with me.

    I already told you that wasn’t it. If you really think about it it’s quite simple.

    I’ll give you a hint. What do Joe Louis, Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson among others all have in common?

    They are all black pugilists.I fail to see an obvious tie between them that is shared with Mr. Smith.

    Well they don’t have anything in common with him but they have something in common with each other in that they all fought past their prime or better years or what ever and went down hard. Mr Smith doesn’t want to do that. That being said it’s still a revenue share for existing members, he isn;t bringing in new people and it’s being funded by outside revenue, namely the gold site but it was a perfect time to get out of the Ponzi part of it.

    I never said they had anything in common with Steve smith I was only alluding to their demise and the way they went out which might make one think Smith didn’t want it that way. Maybe a bit obscure but not impossible.

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  27. joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Prof. Henry Higgins:

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Lynndel Edgington: ’ But this notion that he is shutting down because of threats against his family is not flying with me.

    I already told you that wasn’t it. If you really think about it it’s quite simple.

    I’ll give you a hint. What do Joe Louis, Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson among others all have in common?

    They are all black pugilists.I fail to see an obvious tie between them that is shared with Mr. Smith.

    Well they don’t have anything in common with him but they have something in common with each other in that they all fought past their prime or better years or what ever and went down hard. Mr Smith doesn’t want to do that. That being said it’s still a revenue share for existing members, he isn;t bringing in new people and it’s being funded by outside revenue, namely the gold site but it was a perfect time to get out of the Ponzi part of it.

    And what makes you so sure that the “gold” ever even existed?
    I recall Greater Ministries, a gold-based Ponzi from the 1990s.
    Really ugly… especially at the Supreme Court level.

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  28. Here’s the problem ‘joe,’ he can’t get rid of the Ponzi problem by stopping payments. It’s kind of like saying a drug dealer is an unlicensed pharmacist. You rob a bank, but stop, you still go to jail for robbing the bank before you sent straight. It’s also like saying someone is a little bit pregnant.

    In short, Steve ran out of money. He spent way too much on his gold venture. He thought all those in his advertising business would flock to his gold business, and it didn’t happen. He spent way too much money on advertising the gold business, and his start-up costs ate him up. No money, can’t pay. Instead of admitting it, he used an excuse that he felt people would have sympathy for him inbstead of asking the hard questions or really going after him. Too bad it won’t work.

    Add in all the other problems I mentioned before, and this is toast, done, over, finished; including his gold business.

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  29. This whole saga has at least provided some valuable lessons for anyone thinking of playing HYIP ponzi and “autosurf” games in the future.

    1) “joe” has only served to reinforce what regular posters have been warning new “players” to be aware of. His, and other “cheerleaders” only concern all along has been to keep the ponzi running, to maximise their own chances of becoming “in profit” winners. Anyone who actually believed any of what he says/said has “done their dough”

    2) The lifespan of each successive “follow on” HYIP ponzi and “autosurf” decreases at an exponential rate.

    3) In this “business” naysayers are NEVER wrong. The only variables are “when” and “how” not “if”

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  30. Man, that cold medicine is effecting my typing. It should say “went” instead of “sent,” and it should say “instead” of “inbstead.” But the affect on me is another story. MORE DRUGS! Just kidding. Didn’t want ‘joe’ thinking I was a real druggie.

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  31. Lynndel Edgington: Here’s the problem ‘joe,’ he can’t get rid of the Ponzi problem by stopping payments.It’s kind of like saying a drug dealer is an unlicensed pharmacist.You rob a bank, but stop, you still go to jail for robbing the bank before you sent straight.It’s also like saying someone is a little bit pregnant.In short, Steve ran out of money.He spent way too much on his gold venture.He thought all those in his advertising business would flock to his gold business, and it didn’t happen.He spent way too much money on advertising the gold business, and his start-up costs ate him up.No money, can’t pay.Instead of admitting it, he used an excuse that he felt people would have sympathy for him inbstead of asking the hard questions or really going after him.Too bad it won’t work.Add in all the other problems I mentioned before, and this is toast, done, over, finished; including his gold business.

    Once again your just speculating. You’ve got it all figured out. well you don’t. first off he’s refunding everyone not in profit, can’t do that without money. second, it’s still up and running and the revenue is coming from the gold site, it’s doing great. You act like you know whats going on and you flat out don’t, your just talking shit off the top of your head. I’ve been getting emails all day from him, actually WE have. Pretty uncommon for an admin who’s running to do that. Live with it Ad-Ventures4U is still here. Here’s his latest one. Yes I am still sending Newsletters, still trying to calm the members–I am still communicating so that everyone knows I am here.

    I have been up for two days straight so please forgive my good spelling.

    I wanted to make sure you know where the cashout button is. It is on the tools page. And it is important that you give us your address and your payment proccessors so that we have multi options to cash you out.

    We are here to stay just turning the page on our program. You know that there will be people that will beg us to get in from this point and the answer is NO!!!!!

    Because I feel we are getting ready for the ride of our life.

    It might not be as fast as some would like but we are the ones that will have the chance to share in one of the largest gold sites in the world. And that is amazing even tho I have to say so myself.

    I don’t care what members have said or done. All I care about is that I have to prove myself and I will do that.

    So hang on. All the earnings from this point will be from other income and we will see that it can and will be done.

    That is all for today. I know all of you will be glad and once we do this revenue share and you do not want to be in our community all you will have to do is quit surfing.

    But I am going to promote the site because I feel that people will pay top dollar to have the best marketers and members looking at there site.

    Thanks Steve

    I doubt they will go after a guy who isn’t doing it anymore even if technically they could. Learn it Live it Love it ADV is still here. Just different and people that want out are getting their money so you should be happy instead of pissing and moaning about it.

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  32. Lynndel Edgington: Man, that cold medicine is effecting my typing.It should say “went” instead of “sent,” and it should say “instead” of “inbstead.”But the affect on me is another story.MORE DRUGS!Just kidding.Didn’t want ‘joe’ thinking I was a real druggie.

    Actually you should let me think it because that might explain some of the things you say.

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  33. What’s funny is that the hackers have been vanquished and the threats to his family are no longer a concern so SRS has announced that AV4U is closed to new members and everyone can request cash outs if they are not in profit.

    Everyone is busily filling out the forms to get their money back but nobody is asking where the money is coming from. Cash out limits were reduced 75% earlier this week because of the start up costs of the gold business so presumably it’s not paying for itself yet. Plenty of people have posted they are in profit and that money had to come from somewhere.

    What the excuse going to be when people find out he is not going to cash out everyone until they are in profit as he has promised?

    Lynndel Edgington: Here’s the problem ‘joe,’ he can’t get rid of the Ponzi problem by stopping payments.It’s kind of like saying a drug dealer is an unlicensed pharmacist.You rob a bank, but stop, you still go to jail for robbing the bank before you sent straight.It’s also like saying someone is a little bit pregnant.In short, Steve ran out of money.He spent way too much on his gold venture.He thought all those in his advertising business would flock to his gold business, and it didn’t happen.He spent way too much money on advertising the gold business, and his start-up costs ate him up.No money, can’t pay.Instead of admitting it, he used an excuse that he felt people would have sympathy for him inbstead of asking the hard questions or really going after him.Too bad it won’t work.Add in all the other problems I mentioned before, and this is toast, done, over, finished; including his gold business.

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  34. Maybe it’s just me, but, if it were MY money on the line here, there’d be questions I’d need asking before I wasted any more on playing HYIP ponzi and “autosurf” games.

    Questions like:

    a) Does “Steve Smith” actually exist ??

    b) What proof does anyone have there actually IS a “gold business” ??

    c) What are the demonstrable MATERIAL differences between AV4U, AVGA, ASD, ABCD or XYZ or, indeed, any of the current crop of “autosurfs” ???
    (Note: lack of “material” difference, in this case is to be taken as the same lack of “material” difference between a fraud and ASD as pointed out by Judge Collyer)

    d) What proof, if any, can be provided to show the AdSurf Daily “advertising business” actually existed, that AV4U was a “marketers’ dream” or that AVGA actually performed any advertising OR marketing, other than the fact “they” say they did ????

    e) How and why could I believe “autosurfs” are anything BUT HYIP ponzis after reading what their biggest supporter “joe” admitted on this forum ???

    f) Why should anyone believe that Judge Collyer, the US Attorney General, the IRS, the SEC, the FBI, the Secret Service and the Attorneys General of Florida and North Carolina and are wrong about “autosurfs” being illegal and that “joe”,”Steve Smith” and “Jeff Vavra” are right???

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  35. Actually, it looks as though Steve became paranoid that the offshore payment processors were going to close his accounts, owing to “advertiser” complaints, so he changed the story to accommodate the panic.

    After David Courtney and others started emailing their lists to interpret Steve’s fractured messages and after people were hammering Steve all day long on the Ponzi boards and in a chatroom, of course.

    In general, the “advertisers” are only “advertisers” until there is a dramatic, negative shift in the program — and then they become “victims” who demand refunds and can make all kinds of trouble with payment processors and regulators and law-enforcement agencies.

    So, they put on their “victims'” hat — and, depending on the program and its funding mechanism, they even may file chargebacks with their credit-card companies, claiming nondelivery of “advertising” services — even though the only thing that changed was the payout program.

    This, of course, drains banking resources and causes the banks to devote staff to accommodate all the chargebacks, and lots of the “advertisers” who are now “victims” take their refunds and plonk them down on the next new darling — and the advertiser-to-victim-to-advertiser cycle repeats itself.

    Some of the “experts” recommend this strategy, which is well-known in the “industry” and is talked about all the time on the Ponzi boards. Other people implore “advertisers” NOT TO CONTACT THE PROCESSORS!!! because the processors can trap the money, meaning lots of “advertisers” take a haircut dictated by the processors.

    See this column by Gregg Evans:

    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/09/guest-column-payment-processors-that-give-refunds-unilaterally-help-surf-industry-live-to-see-another-day/

    See “joe’s” remarks in this thread in which he asserts Courtney was getting $5,600 a month from ADV4U:

    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/08/07/and-the-ponzis-will-die-as-one/

    It might also be worth visiting this thread about the new pro se litigants in the ASD case, one of whom asserts in court filings she “put in” money and expected “earnings”:

    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/08/25/breaking-news-motions-to-intervene-pour-in/

    Now, imagine the ASD case as a case in which the purchaser of a classified ad in the newspaper, a spot on the radio or an ad on TV filed a court document advising the judge that she “put in” money and expected “earnings.”

    Or imagine it as a case in which a purchaser “put in” money with a billboard company and expected “earnings.”

    Now, imagine the government conducting an investigation into the newspaper, TV, radio and billboard companies to determine why customers were saying they “put in” money and expecting “earnings” — and arriving at the conclusion after infiltrating the companies and interviewing “advertisers” that the firms were selling unregistered securities.

    Next, imagine the government seizing the money to contain the scheme before it could mushroom and then being confronted by court filings that claim it caused the problem.

    Finally, imagine people flooding the government with letters that explained that “earnings” never were guaranteed — and then filing court documents demanding that the government guarantee earnings that never were guaranteed.

    After using the phrase “put in” to describe an “advertising” purchase, of course.

    Patrick

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  36. It also might be worth noting that it’s just plain bizarre that a company that purports to be a professional communications firm — ADV4U — has to rely on participants to interpret various communications from the company because the communicator-in-chief has no communications skills.

    By the time things wound down yesterday, people were telling Steve what he meant — not the other way around — and he is in charge of the program.

    Just another day in the incongruous world of the autosurf.

    Patrick

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  37. littleroundman: Jeff Vavra

    LRM,

    You don’t mean the Jeff Vavra who explains that people who didn’t accept the ASD company line and didn’t get in lockstep with Andy are “maggots, cockroaches and rats,” do you?

    Patrick

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  38. admin:

    littleroundman: Jeff Vavra

    LRM,You don’t mean the Jeff Vavra who explains that people who didn’t accept the ASD company line and didn’t get in lockstep with Andy are “maggots, cockroaches and rats,” do you?Patrick

    No, not THAT “Jeff Vavra”

    The one I’m talking about is the one who said: “Yes, I believe strongly in ASD and the entire business model” and suggested “naysayers” are panicking at the prospect Bowdoin and ASD are about to return.

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  39. It’s virtually exhausted the virtual profits from his virtual advertising “program”? How about that?

    Patrick has disabled the exclamation points on my keyboard while I am posting here.

    littleroundman: b) What proof does anyone have there actually IS a “gold business” ??

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  40. dirty_bird: It’s virtually exhausted the virtual profits from his virtual advertising “program”?How about that?

    Ah, so what you’re saying is that AV4U didn’t just run out of money like every other “autosurf” ponzi does, but, instead “Steve Smith” stole the “members” money and put it into his own “gold business”

    Phew !!!!! I bet that makes the “members” feel better, then.

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  41. I don’t know what I said but am hoping David Courtney will publish a newsletter clarifying what I meant. Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point.

    littleroundman:

    dirty_bird: It’s virtually exhausted the virtual profits from his virtual advertising “program”?How about that?

    Ah, so what you’re saying is that AV4U didn’t just run out of money like every other “autosurf” ponzi does, but, instead “Steve Smith” stole the “members” money and put it into his own “gold business”Phew !!!!! I bet that makes the “members” feel better, then.

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  42. dirty_bird: I don’t know what I said but am hoping David Courtney will publish a newsletter clarifying what I meant. Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point.

    littleroundman:

    dirty_bird: It’s virtually exhausted the virtual profits from his virtual advertising “program”?How about that?

    Ah, so what you’re saying is that AV4U didn’t just run out of money like every other “autosurf” ponzi does, but, instead “Steve Smith” stole the “members” money and put it into his own “gold business”Phew !!!!! I bet that makes the “members” feel better, then.

    I want to make sure that everyone knows were the cashout button is. The cashout button is on the tools page. If you used the old button on the purchase venture page you will need to go back and request your cashout on the tools page.

    We are expecting to cashout allot of earning this week, we will be going thru one by one and getting this done so I figure that it will take until Friday to complete.

    We will do the cashout, do not worry please. We are selling a ton of advertising and gold is unbelievable at this stage.

    Please give us until Friday so that we can prove that we are not here to do the wrong things.

    It is not what I say or write that make you happy, it is the actions I take to move the buiness forward.

    Thanks You Steve Smith

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  43. joe,

    The proof will be in the pudding. Last night on MMG, and I don’t know if it was update #56 or #654 on the matter, an email purportedly from SRS stated that those not in profit could request funds. The rub was that you had to use the link, not the cash out button (he is kludging the code as he goes) and the cash out request was “for information purposes only”. If you read what he said, no funds were forthcoming, he was just stringing people along.

    Now, in update #6554 or whatever, he’s allegedly going to have the payments processed by Friday. In my opinion, it ain’t gonna happen. The only thing we can be assured of, if the past is any clue to the future, is that there will be several updates each day, each equally confusing and contradicting the previous ones.

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  44. dirty_bird: joe,The proof will be in the pudding.Last night on MMG, and I don’t know if it was update #56 or #654 on the matter, an email purportedly from SRS stated that those not in profit could request funds.The rub was that you had to use the link, not the cash out button (he is kludging the code as he goes) and the cash out request was “for information purposes only”.If you read what he said, no funds were forthcoming, he was just stringing people along.Now, in update #6554 or whatever, he’s allegedly going to have the payments processed by Friday.In my opinion, it ain’t gonna happen.The only thing we can be assured of, if the past is any clue to the future, is that there will be several updates each day, each equally confusing and contradicting the previous ones.

    Wanna Bet?

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  45. With you? LOL. You have zero credibility.

    The other day you posted that AV4U would be here long after all the rest were gone. You even posted that “surfing was smooth” as “proof” was SRS was composing his exit letter.

    Then you posted that you knew this all along but were being belligerent for grins. Then SRS reversed himself and you were left hanging in thin air like Wylie Coyote. Now you wanna bet? LOL.

    Do you still cross your fingers behind your back when you bet?

    Just post your prediction for all to see.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Wanna Bet?

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  46. http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Ad-ventures4u-Ad-ventur-t239658.html&st=5025

    Poster 1: What he is calling the cashout button is actually a text link. In the yellow instruction box you will see the blue words “Click here”. Click on that link and it takes you to a page to fill in your information for sending payment.

    Poster 2: – Thank you for the reply.
    I know this blue words “Click here” – and filled in two boxes inside it.
    There is not third box there – for a fund amount.

    No third box for an amount should save SRS some money so he may just be able to fulfill the requests…

    I doubt it placate all those who “bought ads”…

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  47. dirty_bird: With you?LOL.You have zero credibility.The other day you posted that AV4U would be here long after all the rest were gone.You even posted that “surfing was smooth” as “proof” was SRS was composing his exit letter.Then you posted that you knew this all along but were being belligerent for grins.Then SRS reversed himself and you were left hanging in thin air like Wylie Coyote.Now you wanna bet?LOL.Do you still cross your fingers behind your back when you bet?Just post your prediction for all to see.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Wanna Bet?

    Wuss, what an excuse.

    They are still here.
    surfing is still smooth, in fact we have to still do it.
    I did know he was going to change the program a few days before his email

    He didn’t reverse anything he just sucks at communication. he did exactly what was planned. I wasn’t left in thin air at all other than the misunderstanding of what he meant but of course your going to try to use that to your advantage. He’s been that way all along as far as not being clear on his emails and you all know that being members of ADV. You get his emails or someone there does, just like Patrick is on David Courtneys newsletter. How else would he know that he had to help translate. I know damn well some of you or at least Patrick is on both lists. Best way to monitor them huh skippy? No ya big wuss Wanna Bet?

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  48. joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    dirty_bird: With you?LOL.You have zero credibility.The other day you posted that AV4U would be here long after all the rest were gone.You even posted that “surfing was smooth” as “proof” was SRS was composing his exit letter.Then you posted that you knew this all along but were being belligerent for grins.Then SRS reversed himself and you were left hanging in thin air like Wylie Coyote.Now you wanna bet?LOL.Do you still cross your fingers behind your back when you bet?Just post your prediction for all to see.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Wanna Bet?

    Wuss, what an excuse.
    They are still here.
    surfing is still smooth, in fact we have to still do it.
    I did know he was going to change the program a few days before his email
    He didn’t reverse anything he just sucks at communication. he did exactly what was planned. I wasn’t left in thin air at all other than the misunderstanding of what he meant but of course your going to try to use that to your advantage. He’s been that way all along as far as not being clear on his emails and you all know that being members of ADV. You get his emails or someone there does, just like Patrick is on David Courtneys newsletter. How else would he know that he had to help translate. I know damn well some of you or at least Patrick is on both lists. Best way to monitor them huh skippy?No ya big wuss Wanna Bet?

    Also he quit the ponzi part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!! Now already being leveraged as a pro member I can continue making money in the private, outside income funded program. Kind of takes the fun out of bringing in new people but what can you do?

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  49. This is precious. It is nice that you admitted it “was” a Ponzi. Let’s play a word substitution game with your statement for a bit.

    Also he quit the _____ part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!!

    How about bank robbery for ponzi.

    “Also he quit the bank robbery part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!!”

    Do you really think it’s game over? Do you get to keep the money if you exit the bank before you are caught?

    Why would anyone send their gold to an unlicensed and unregistered gold buying “business” paying tops 70% when they can get up to 98.5% from a licensed, regulated and reputable gold buying business which has been around for years?

    Is SRS paying the same for 10 carat gold as 24 carat? What method is SRS using to determine the purity of the gold? He does do that, doesn’t he?

    Yes or no, will SRS, the gold site and/or AV4U shut down, quit paying or get arrested before Christmas? My answer is yes, all three will be gone by Christmas. That’s yes with a Y, E and S. No equivocation.

    If the gold site is making money, why did SRS have to drop the payout by 75% with no notice?

    He’s making things up as he goes along and not very well.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Also he quit the ponzi part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!! Now already being leveraged as a pro member I can continue making money in the private, outside income funded program. Kind of takes the fun out of bringing in new people but what can you do?

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  50. dirty_bird: This is precious. It is nice that you admitted it “was” a Ponzi.Let’s play a word substitution game with your statement for a bit.Also he quit the _____ part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!!How about bank robbery for ponzi.“Also he quit the bank robbery part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!!”Do you really think it’s game over?Do you get to keep the money if you exit the bank before you are caught?Why would anyone send their gold to an unlicensed and unregistered gold buying “business” paying tops 70% when they can get up to 98.5% from a licensed, regulated and reputable gold buying business which has been around for years?Is SRS paying the same for 10 carat gold as 24 carat?What method is SRS using to determine the purity of the gold?He does do that, doesn’t he?Yes or no, will SRS, the gold site and/or AV4U shut down, quit paying or get arrested before Christmas?My answer is yes, all three will be gone by Christmas.That’s yes with a Y, E and S.No equivocation.If the gold site is making money, why did SRS have to drop the payout by 75% with no notice?He’s making things up as he goes along and not very well.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Also he quit the ponzi part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!! Now already being leveraged as a pro member I can continue making money in the private, outside income funded program. Kind of takes the fun out of bringing in new people but what can you do?

    that’s what i thought. as far as his gold buying and evaluating I honestly don’t know the business so you would have to ask him. Now obviously you just admitted it is up and running or how could they close by christmas? Seems your pushing the deadline back yourself there buddy. thank you for that. Also I never said it wasn’t a ponzi. Bank robbery is a whole lot different as you well know and here no one was robbed so no I don’t think he’ll be arrested especially when everyone gets their money back. so substituting bank robbery for ponzi is actually kinda stupid and a little grandiose for effect. a little smoke blowing with figures too as you don’t know what he’s paying on the gold.

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  51. I am just substituting one felony for another. What the difference with one felony as compared to another?

    This might interest some people following but I am sure you will find a misplaced punctuation mark or say that the prosecutor had his/her fingers crossed when filing the complaint so it was just a joke.

    http://www.investorprotection.com/blog/2009/07/28/missouri-ponzi-scheme-snares-hundreds-of-local-farmers/

    Missouri Ponzi Scheme Snares Hundreds Of Local Farmers

    July 28th, 2009 by Mark Maddox

    Rural farmers in central Missouri have their own version of a Midwest Bernie Madoff. Cathy Gieseker, a long-time Missouri grain dealer and owner of T.J. Gieseker Farms and Trucking, has been charged with running a pyramid scheme built on grain purchases that allegedly swindled hundreds of farmers out of as much as $50 million.

    The July 20 indictment alleges that between October 2002 and February 2009 Gieseker began to market grain on behalf of farmers, promising them that she could sell their grain for higher-than-market prices because of supposed contracts secured from Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM). During the course of the reported Ponzi scheme, Gieseker delivered and sold virtually all of the grain at ADM.

    In reality, however, Gieseker did not have access to any of the contracts that guaranteed the above-market prices quoted to farmers from ADM. Instead, Gieseker sold the grain at the “spot price” (the local cash price for immediate settlement and delivery) and used the proceeds from subsequent grain transactions to pay the above-market prices previously promised to other farmers.

    Farmers who agreed to have Gieseker sell their grain toward the end of the scheme didn’t get paid at all, according to the indictment.

    Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster has charged Gieseker with 12 felony counts, including federal charges of mail and wire fraud and interstate transportation of stolen property. She also faces state charges of unlawful merchandising, filing false financial statements and stealing.

    Are you saying she could have avoided 12 felony charges by switching to an advertising program right before the authorities stepped in?

    You do bring up a good point about the gold smelter and operation. If it does exist, Steve could certainly sooth the fears of a lot of people by posting pics of his smelter along with the pile of gold that’s streaming in to Eminence, MO. Has he? No. He continues to allegedly issue confusing emails which David Courtney needs to interpret for the public. A picture is worth a thousand words. I want to see a picture of the smelter, a pile of gold and packets with the gold operations address printed on them.

    If it pleases you, I will say Halloween at the very outside. Personally, I think all of his operations will be smoldering craters before September is out but I don’t don’t hold me to it.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    dirty_bird: This is precious. It is nice that you admitted it “was” a Ponzi.Let’s play a word substitution game with your statement for a bit.Also he quit the _____ part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!!How about bank robbery for ponzi.“Also he quit the bank robbery part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!!”Do you really think it’s game over?Do you get to keep the money if you exit the bank before you are caught?Why would anyone send their gold to an unlicensed and unregistered gold buying “business” paying tops 70% when they can get up to 98.5% from a licensed, regulated and reputable gold buying business which has been around for years?Is SRS paying the same for 10 carat gold as 24 carat?What method is SRS using to determine the purity of the gold?He does do that, doesn’t he?Yes or no, will SRS, the gold site and/or AV4U shut down, quit paying or get arrested before Christmas?My answer is yes, all three will be gone by Christmas.That’s yes with a Y, E and S.No equivocation.If the gold site is making money, why did SRS have to drop the payout by 75% with no notice?He’s making things up as he goes along and not very well.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Also he quit the ponzi part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!! Now already being leveraged as a pro member I can continue making money in the private, outside income funded program. Kind of takes the fun out of bringing in new people but what can you do?

    that’s what i thought. as far as his gold buying and evaluating I honestly don’t know the business so you would have to ask him. Now obviously you just admitted it is up and running or how could they close by christmas? Seems your pushing the deadline back yourself there buddy. thank you for that. Also I never said it wasn’t a ponzi. Bank robbery is a whole lot different as you well know and here no one was robbed so no I don’t think he’ll be arrested especially when everyone gets their money back. so substituting bank robbery for ponzi is actually kinda stupid and a little grandiose for effect. a little smoke blowing with figures too as you don’t know what he’s paying on the gold.

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  52. Old news Pat, he’d previously done so several times….
    I am more interested in serial criminal Ponzi promoter Steve Watt, who I guess is also now pushed the Push Buttom Extreme scam. So much for his turning over a new leaf — criminals rarely do…..

    Pat Dunn: joe;You said:“…so why all my BS? Just to be an a**hole and raise hell.” Congratulations joe, on this confession. Some of us have recognized this aspect of your character, but it’s interesting to see you publicly acknowledge it.PWD

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  53. jtm,

    20 questions……OK, just one. If Steve Smith were such a spectacular gold trader, one who could cover the payouts to, say, 60,000 AV4U members, why in the h*** would he start a Ponzi scheme (your phrase) and why would he ever want to share his millions with you and the other AV4U members? (OK two questions….). If I were that good, I’d just go turn myself into a millionaire and then billionaire gold trader (and if I was inclined to charity, I probably wouldn’t focus on folks like you who have a criminal bent — I’d give to more worthy causes.)

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    dirty_bird: This is precious. It is nice that you admitted it “was” a Ponzi.Let’s play a word substitution game with your statement for a bit.Also he quit the _____ part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!!How about bank robbery for ponzi.“Also he quit the bank robbery part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!!”Do you really think it’s game over?Do you get to keep the money if you exit the bank before you are caught?Why would anyone send their gold to an unlicensed and unregistered gold buying “business” paying tops 70% when they can get up to 98.5% from a licensed, regulated and reputable gold buying business which has been around for years?Is SRS paying the same for 10 carat gold as 24 carat?What method is SRS using to determine the purity of the gold?He does do that, doesn’t he?Yes or no, will SRS, the gold site and/or AV4U shut down, quit paying or get arrested before Christmas?My answer is yes, all three will be gone by Christmas.That’s yes with a Y, E and S.No equivocation.If the gold site is making money, why did SRS have to drop the payout by 75% with no notice?He’s making things up as he goes along and not very well.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Also he quit the ponzi part of it while he still had money and is paying everyone, no one shut him down it was all by choice. WE WIN!! Now already being leveraged as a pro member I can continue making money in the private, outside income funded program. Kind of takes the fun out of bringing in new people but what can you do?

    that’s what i thought. as far as his gold buying and evaluating I honestly don’t know the business so you would have to ask him. Now obviously you just admitted it is up and running or how could they close by christmas? Seems your pushing the deadline back yourself there buddy. thank you for that. Also I never said it wasn’t a ponzi. Bank robbery is a whole lot different as you well know and here no one was robbed so no I don’t think he’ll be arrested especially when everyone gets their money back. so substituting bank robbery for ponzi is actually kinda stupid and a little grandiose for effect. a little smoke blowing with figures too as you don’t know what he’s paying on the gold.

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  54. dirty_bird: Farmers who agreed to have Gieseker sell their grain toward the end of the scheme didn’t get paid at all, according to the indictment.

    Yeah thats not good, thank god Steve isn’t doing that huh? He’s making sure everyone is in profit. as far as pictures I’ll have to see if he feels like he needs to satisfy your curiosity. It’s all real but I seriously doubt if he cares what you think whether he can show them or not.

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  55. dirty_bird: Are you saying she could have avoided 12 felony charges by switching to an advertising program right before the authorities stepped in?

    Gotta tell you that question doesn’t make a lick of sense. where the hell did that come from? I’ve looked at it from every angle and it doesn’t make sense.

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  56. Apparently, customer support is confused or the latest email hasn’t been sent to the membership. Here’s the latest from support.

    Hannah Brandt Replied 2009-08-29 13:28:18
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    We are shutting down the revenue share portion of AD4U as members
    know it now. We are still offering revenue share with the revenue
    coming in from the gold site. You’ll need to continue to surf
    everyday to be able to participate in this revenue share, but there
    will not be a regularly scheduled payout as before. We won’t know
    how much or how often those payouts will be.

    Please complete the cashout request on the tools page with the
    requested information and your payout will be calculated and sent
    to you sometime next week.

    If you wish to continue with Ad4U, you don’t need to request a
    cashout.

    Here’s the money shot:

    “but there will not be a regularly scheduled payout as before. We won’t know
    how much or how often those payouts will be.”

    SRS needs to “get ahead” of the story for damage control. If customer service is correct, then I doubt the membership will be happy. Didn’t the stoppage of payments cause the uproar on Friday?

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    dirty_bird: Farmers who agreed to have Gieseker sell their grain toward the end of the scheme didn’t get paid at all, according to the indictment.

    Yeah thats not good, thank god Steve isn’t doing that huh? He’s making sure everyone is in profit. as far as pictures I’ll have to see if he feels like he needs to satisfy your curiosity. It’s all real but I seriously doubt if he cares what you think whether he can show them or not.

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  57. My point was that you posted AV4U was a Ponzi but had gone legit. My question was wouldn’t the grain Ponzi been safe if the operator had switched over to a legit program. I was referencing your “WE WIN!!!” post.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    dirty_bird: Are you saying she could have avoided 12 felony charges by switching to an advertising program right before the authorities stepped in?

    Gotta tell you that question doesn’t make a lick of sense. where the hell did that come from? I’ve looked at it from every angle and it doesn’t make sense.

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  58. ADV4U launched in December 2008. Steve must have done pretty well in the Oprah gifting scheme in July 2008, just five months prior to the birth of the surf.

    One of his ADV4U members declared him a “retired Executive from a billion-dollar American Firm.”

    And to think people actually were worried.

    Patrick

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  59. admin: ADV4U launched in December 2008. Steve must have done pretty well in the Oprah gifting scheme in July 2008, just five months prior to the birth of the surf.
    One of his ADV4U members declared him a “retired Executive from a billion-dollar American Firm.”And to think people actually were worried.Patrick

    Ya gotta love it.

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  60. a little smoke blowing with figures too as you don’t know what he’s paying on the gold.

    And, lets face it joe, neither do you. The difference is that you are a member of AV4U and not knowing is rather more serious for you than it is for the observers.

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  61. alasycia: And, lets face it joe, neither do you. The difference is that you are a member of AV4U and not knowing is rather more serious for you than it is for the observers.

    Quite frankly, who the heck cares ???

    “joe” has made his position quite clear, and any regular reader would, by now, know what it is.

    For any non regular readers, “joes” position is:

    1) He believes HYIP ponzi “autosurfs” are just another form of gambling.

    2) He recognizes, but simply doesn’t care, that “autosurfs” are highly illegal.

    3) He recognizes, but doesn’t care that over 90% of “members” of a HYIP ponzi “autosurf” will be losers.

    4) He recognises but simply doesn’t care that knowingly participating in an illegal HYIP ponzi “autosurf” is, in itself, illegal.

    IOW, “joe” has exercised what he considers to be his “right” to do what he’s doing.

    As long as anyone/everyone reading his comments clearly understands “joes” position and acts accordingly, they too will be exercising their own “rights” should they decide to participate further.

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  62. alasycia: a little smoke blowing with figures too as you don’t know what he’s paying on the gold.And, lets face it joe, neither do you.The difference is that you are a member of AV4U and not knowing is rather more serious for you than it is for the observers.

    Really?

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  63. littleroundman:

    alasycia: And, lets face it joe, neither do you. The difference is that you are a member of AV4U and not knowing is rather more serious for you than it is for the observers.

    Quite frankly, who the heck cares ???“joe” has made his position quite clear, and any regular reader would, by now, know what it is.For any non regular readers, “joes” position is:1) He believes HYIP ponzi “autosurfs” are just another form of gambling.2) He recognizes, but simply doesn’t care, that “autosurfs” are highly illegal.3) He recognizes, but doesn’t care that over 90% of “members” of a HYIP ponzi “autosurf” will be losers.4) He recognises but simply doesn’t care that knowingly participating in an illegal HYIP ponzi “autosurf” is, in itself, illegal.IOW, “joe” has exercised what he considers to be his “right” to do what he’s doing.
    As long as anyone/everyone reading his comments clearly understands “joes” position and acts accordingly, they too will be exercising their own “rights” should they decide to participate further.

    That’s about right although I don’t recognize the 90% loser factor because that’s not what’s happening at ADV and there are others where way more than 10% made money. Some of these figures are not accurate just worse case.

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  64. jtm,

    You’re right, it is more than 10% on paper in theory IF they are run to the MAXIMUM benefit of members and MINIMUM benefit of the scammers who start them. In this case, the winners number 16% for your beloved AVG, and ~18-20% for AV4U. However, it seems unlikely that they are run for the maximum benefit of members, so LRM’s #’s are probably pretty close. Now, be a good little boy and go back and disprove my math, since you’re such a math whiz….

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    littleroundman:

    alasycia: And, lets face it joe, neither do you. The difference is that you are a member of AV4U and not knowing is rather more serious for you than it is for the observers.

    Quite frankly, who the heck cares ???“joe” has made his position quite clear, and any regular reader would, by now, know what it is.For any non regular readers, “joes” position is:1) He believes HYIP ponzi “autosurfs” are just another form of gambling.2) He recognizes, but simply doesn’t care, that “autosurfs” are highly illegal.3) He recognizes, but doesn’t care that over 90% of “members” of a HYIP ponzi “autosurf” will be losers.4) He recognises but simply doesn’t care that knowingly participating in an illegal HYIP ponzi “autosurf” is, in itself, illegal.IOW, “joe” has exercised what he considers to be his “right” to do what he’s doing.As long as anyone/everyone reading his comments clearly understands “joes” position and acts accordingly, they too will be exercising their own “rights” should they decide to participate further.

    That’s about right although I don’t recognize the 90% loser factor because that’s not what’s happening at ADV and there are others where way more than 10% made money. Some of these figures are not accurate just worse case.

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  65. joe the magnificent (and good looking): That’s about right although I don’t recognize the 90% loser factor because that’s not what’s happening at ADV and there are others where way more than 10% made money. Some of these figures are not accurate just worse case.

    With the greatest respect to your expertise in your chosen hobby, but, how the he** could you possibly know exactly WHO is making WHAT in a HYIP ponzi or “autosurf” game ???

    “there are others where way more than 10% made money” is the sort of statement one would expect from a primary schoolboy.

    Such a statement is no more believable than “AdSurf Daily will be back” or “Steve Watts is a misunderstood philanthropist, concerned only with the welfare of his followers”

    How many verified “members” does ADV have ???? 100 or 1000 or 10,000 ??? You have no way of knowing, other than the word of the fraudsters themselves.

    Even if you DID know, how could you possibly know that “way more than 10% made money” without seeing the actual bank deposits ??

    I’ll tell you what, I’ll back the conclusions drawn from 12 or 13 years of HYIP ponzi watching and “Entertaineds” mathematical analysis against the word of a self confessed HYIP ponzi “player” any day of the week.

    Play HYIP ponzi and “autosurf” games all you want, it’s your money. Spend it, burn it or hide it where the sun don’t shine.

    When you’re on HYIP ponzi forums, feel free to engage in as much “positve thinking” feelgood mental masturbation with your fellow “players”as your little hearts desire.

    But please, please don’t expect others to quietly accept it when you make such ridiculous statements in public.

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  66. littleroundman:

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): That’s about right although I don’t recognize the 90% loser factor because that’s not what’s happening at ADV and there are others where way more than 10% made money. Some of these figures are not accurate just worse case.

    With the greatest respect to your expertise in your chosen hobby, but, how the he** could you possibly know exactly WHO is making WHAT in a HYIP ponzi or “autosurf” game ???“there are others where way more than 10% made money” is the sort of statement one would expect from a primary schoolboy.
    Such a statement is no more believable than “AdSurf Daily will be back” or “Steve Watts is a misunderstood philanthropist, concerned only with the welfare of his followers”How many verified “members” does ADV have ???? 100 or 1000 or 10,000 ??? You have no way of knowing, other than the word of the fraudsters themselves.Even if you DID know, how could you possibly know that “way more than 10% made money” without seeing the actual bank deposits ??I’ll tell you what, I’ll back the conclusions drawn from 12 or 13 years of HYIP ponzi watching and “Entertaineds” mathematical analysis against the word of a self confessed HYIP ponzi “player” any day of the week.Play HYIP ponzi and “autosurf” games all you want, it’s your money. Spend it, burn it or hide it where the sun don’t shine.When you’re on HYIP ponzi forums, feel free to engage in as much “positve thinking” feelgood mental masturbation with your fellow “players”as your little hearts desire.But please, please don’t expect others to quietly accept it when you make such ridiculous statements in public.

    Sounds to me like quite a bit of masturbation in your little world. You make statements using numbers that i know are BS. You throw all kinds of crap out there and you know it. I don’t need bank statements, I’ve been around enough to know that better than 10% make money. Ever try a blow up doll? They probably make little fat ones for you.

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  67. joe the magnificent (and good looking): I’ll tell you what, I’ll back the conclusions drawn from 12 or 13 years of HYIP ponzi watching and “Entertaineds”

    I’ve seen a lot of these so called expert analysis’ that don’t pan out.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): but, how the he** could you possibly know exactly WHO is making WHAT in a HYIP ponzi or “autosurf” game

    I would ask you the same thing, the answer is simple you don’t as you certainly don’t take part in them. Your doll’s calling

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  68. joe the magnificent (and good looking): Sounds to me like quite a bit of masturbation in your little world. You make statements using numbers that i know are BS. You throw all kinds of crap out there and you know it. I don’t need bank statements, I’ve been around enough to know that better than 10% make money. Ever try a blow up doll? They probably make little fat ones for you.

    So,

    exactly where did you complete your degrees in English Literature and Debating ???

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  69. littleroundman:

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Sounds to me like quite a bit of masturbation in your little world. You make statements using numbers that i know are BS. You throw all kinds of crap out there and you know it. I don’t need bank statements, I’ve been around enough to know that better than 10% make money. Ever try a blow up doll? They probably make little fat ones for you.

    So,exactly where did you complete your degrees in English Literature and Debating ???

    If you must know, MIT Grad, class of 87. Not that it matters, it doesn’t take a degree to debate with you.

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  70. joe the magnificent (and good looking): MIT Grad, class of 87.

    You must have gone there 10-15 years after your stint in a Vietnam POW camp — after serving time harder than Gotti ever served.

    So, now you’re a POW and a nontraditional MIT student and grad who plays Ponzi schemes and uses words such as “penis,” “Dicks,” “dork” “phallus” and “fudgepacker” to make your case.

    GI bill?

    Patrick

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  71. admin: GI bill?

    Actually it was and yes i was a little older. You see it all the time.

    admin: “penis,” “Dicks,” “dork” “phallus” and “fudgepacker”

    Probably not the most eloquent choices but sometimes some descriptions just fit perfectly educated or not. I hear Richard Nixon said C==ks***er a lot. Love him or hate him he was a very bright man.

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  72. OK jtm, a little test……see, I know a think or two about MIT……

    1) What do they say about the steps leading into MIT?
    2) MIT is an acronym well known to the real scientists who went to Caltech. What does MIT stand for, according to them?

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    littleroundman:

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Sounds to me like quite a bit of masturbation in your little world. You make statements using numbers that i know are BS. You throw all kinds of crap out there and you know it. I don’t need bank statements, I’ve been around enough to know that better than 10% make money. Ever try a blow up doll? They probably make little fat ones for you.

    So,exactly where did you complete your degrees in English Literature and Debating ???

    If you must know, MIT Grad, class of 87. Not that it matters, it doesn’t take a degree to debate with you.

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  73. exactly where did you complete your degrees in English Literature and Debating ???

    The answer is here. joe’s secret is out. Having dropped by the AV4U chat room, the answer seems to be at The Steve Watt School of Business Language and Etiquette. And, as we know, Steve trained at the Bob Guenther School of Investigation, where he was a star pupil, graduating with top grades in Abusive Language & Temper Tantrums. He also played in a defence position in the Ponzi Players All Stars who won several trophies in the 2008 CyberCrime League

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  74. I was kind of thinking he was a star pupil of Professor Patrick Moriarity, but I was just guessing from his general knowledge demonstrated.

    And when I was an undergrad I heard people refer to MIT as “the vocational school down the street”, don’t know the CalTech slur though…

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  75. A quick little check seems to show that Massachusetts Institute of Technology is extremely hard to get into as an undergrad after the age of 30, in the classes of 1985-1989 there was only one student admitted above age 30 (the data I found does not provide names to the numbers). Of course, I’m making some assumptions here, Joe could of course be referring to
    http://www.doe.in.gov/alted/pdf/MIT_parent_student_packet_info.pdf

    which is the Monrovia School of Integrated Technology, which does welcome all comers, under an open admission program, seems you don’t even need to be a High School Graduate…..

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  76. Gregg Evans: A quick little check seems to show that Massachusetts Institute of Technology is extremely hard to get into as an undergrad after the age of 30, in the classes of 1985-1989 there was only one student admitted above age 30 (the data I found does not provide names to the numbers).Of course, I’m making some assumptions here, Joe could of course be referring to
    http://www.doe.in.gov/alted/pdf/MIT_parent_student_packet_info.pdfwhich is the Monrovia School of Integrated Technology, which does welcome all comers, under an open admission program, seems you don’t even need to be a High School Graduate…..

    Oh my God!!! You guys astound me, I was gone most of the day and just got home and read this stuff from PP and my buddy Entertained and Greg and the others. Are you serious? I made a quick joking answer to Patrick before I left but I didn’t think anyone would miss what i thought was an obvious joke or some irony anyway. When the LRM asked me “So,

    exactly where did you complete your degrees in English Literature and Debating ???” I thought MIT would be funny in that they are a technical school. I don’t know maybe they have somewhat of a literature program in their curriculum but I don’t think it would be where you would go to major in that. That would be the same as saying Cal tech or something Good lord. Was it that obscure? If so I’ll try to make it a little simpler for you. Anyway I don’t feel the need to discuss my academia as i don’t need to substantiate and it isn’t anyones business anyway. My alma mater is nowhere near Mass. I’ve never even been there. Humor boys, get it?

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  77. Gregg,

    I’ll fill you in after little joe answers, if he can…….methinks joe really wasn’t at MIT. To be fair, MIT is a great school. It is not quite up to Caltech wrt pure sciences & math, but it is a good engineering school (and hence vocational school!) However, if joe is in fact an MIT graduate, then beyond any shadow of a doubt (if there ever was one) joe does understand the AVG and AV4U business models, and knows full well that the mathematical analysis of these business models is exactly correct. Thus he knows full well they are unsustainable and illegal, but he just doesn’t care. My friends from ‘tech and MIT have had NO problem making a good living legally — wonder why joe hasn’t chosen that path?

    Gregg Evans: I was kind of thinking he was a star pupil of Professor Patrick Moriarity, but I was just guessing from his general knowledge demonstrated.And when I was an undergrad I heard people refer to MIT as “the vocational school down the street”, don’t know the CalTech slur though…

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  78. jtm,

    Good one! You got me! Subtle enough that it could have been believable. I actually bought your line! MIT grads WOULD make great scammers — they’d make it complicated enough that it could seem real, but the Black Box would still reveal the truth. I know perhaps 60 grads of ‘tech and MIT. Fortunately, that level of intelligence generally has a moral base stronger than that required to be a serial criminal scam promoter.

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Gregg Evans: A quick little check seems to show that Massachusetts Institute of Technology is extremely hard to get into as an undergrad after the age of 30, in the classes of 1985-1989 there was only one student admitted above age 30 (the data I found does not provide names to the numbers).Of course, I’m making some assumptions here, Joe could of course be referring tohttp://www.doe.in.gov/alted/pdf/MIT_parent_student_packet_info.pdfwhich is the Monrovia School of Integrated Technology, which does welcome all comers, under an open admission program, seems you don’t even need to be a High School Graduate…..

    Oh my God!!! You guys astound me, I was gone most of the day and just got home and read this stuff from PP and my buddy Entertained and Greg and the others. Are you serious? I made a quick joking answer to Patrick before I left but I didn’t think anyone would miss what i thought was an obvious joke or some irony anyway. When the LRM asked me “So,exactly where did you complete your degrees in English Literature and Debating ???” I thought MIT would be funny in that they are a technical school. I don’t know maybe they have somewhat of a literature program in their curriculum but I don’t think it would be where you would go to major in that. That would be the same as saying Cal tech or something Good lord. Was it that obscure? If so I’ll try to make it a little simpler for you. Anyway I don’t feel the need to discuss my academia as i don’t need to substantiate and it isn’t anyones business anyway. My alma mater is nowhere near Mass. I’ve never even been there. Humor boys, get it?

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  79. Throughout the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s there were annual competitions between Caltech and MIT for technical “supremacy” as measured by various acedemic compeitions. Caltech frequently prevailed, even with 1/6 of the student body size. Further, Caltech was somewhat more elistist in that it was more difficult to get into based on SAT scores, but they were egalitarian in that East Coast blue bloods had no advantage wrt admissions, unlike MIT in that era. In the end, MIT = Many Incompetent Trolls, long before Barb McIntyre and Kat and Laura Pont thought they coined the phrase to refer to the likes of you & I at Surf’s Up. Also, the steps reference is from the 1970’s/1980’s student recruiting information that said “The astute observer will note that the steps leading into MIT (I forget the building) are far more worn than the steps leading out.”

    Gregg Evans: I was kind of thinking he was a star pupil of Professor Patrick Moriarity, but I was just guessing from his general knowledge demonstrated.And when I was an undergrad I heard people refer to MIT as “the vocational school down the street”, don’t know the CalTech slur though…

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  80. Entertained: I know perhaps 60 grads of ‘tech and MIT. Fortunately, that level of intelligence generally has a moral base stronger than that required to be a serial criminal scam promoter.

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  81. joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    Entertained:I know perhaps 60 grads of ‘tech and MIT. Fortunately, that level of intelligence generally has a moral base stronger than that required to be a serial criminal scam promoter.

    Entertained you may want to think about that statement. Some very brilliant minds in this country alone have been criminals they just usually get away with it because of power and money. I think I said some thing about Nixon earlier. We can start there and any one here can fill in the blanks with plenty of names. By the way it was kind of funny how Patrick and one or two others scrambled to research MIT and my being there. I think the grads of caltech and MIT are smart people but when you say “that level of intelligence” I think you’re giving a little too much credit. Any school like those are going to have your brilliant ones of course, Linus Pauling at Caltech with Einstein teaching there as well but there are plenty with average intelligence who studied hard and made it but it doesn’t necessarily put them at a high level of intelligence.

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  82. Actually joe, I suspect I know FAR, FAR more about Caltech than you. Trust me when I say that the raw intellectual horsepower there is stunning. There are NO people there of average intelligence, and frankly, no one there even at the 90th percentile. It is unique in that regard, perhaps. If you really care to do the research, you’ll find that the average SAT scores for freshman admission is off-the-charts high. I recognize that there are variations in intelligence metrics, and that intelligence is a wide-ranging and amorphous notion. Nonetheless, there are strong correlations between “intelligence” as measured by standardized tests, and “success”, insofar as most western cultures define success. The Caltech crew are off-the-charts smart in that regard…..

    btw, Einstein did not actually teach at Caltech, other than as a visiting prof. Perhaps you are thinking of Feymann or Gell-Mann???

    You are right though that some intelligent people become criminals, and I also agree that truly intelligent people could become very effective criminals. I am not naive enough to believe that all MIT/Caltech’ers are on the straight and narrow, but I sure hope the vast majority are……

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Entertained you may want to think about that statement. Some very brilliant minds in this country alone have been criminals they just usually get away with it because of power and money. I think I said some thing about Nixon earlier. We can start there and any one here can fill in the blanks with plenty of names. By the way it was kind of funny how Patrick and one or two others scrambled to research MIT and my being there. I think the grads of caltech and MIT are smart people but when you say “that level of intelligence” I think you’re giving a little too much credit. Any school like those are going to have your brilliant ones of course, Linus Pauling at Caltech with Einstein teaching there as well but there are plenty with average intelligence who studied hard and made it but it doesn’t necessarily put them at a high level of intelligence.

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  83. Entertained: Actually joe, I suspect I know FAR, FAR more about Caltech than you.Trust me when I say that the raw intellectual horsepower there is stunning.There are NO people there of average intelligence, and frankly, no one there even at the 90th percentile.It is unique in that regard, perhaps.If you really care to do the research, you’ll find that the average SAT scores for freshman admission is off-the-charts high.I recognize that there are variations in intelligence metrics, and that intelligence is a wide-ranging and amorphous notion. Nonetheless, there are strong correlations between “intelligence” as measured by standardized tests, and “success”, insofar as most western cultures define success.The Caltech crew are off-the-charts smart in that regard…..btw, Einstein did not actually teach at Caltech, other than as a visiting prof.Perhaps you are thinking of Feymann or Gell-Mann???You are right though that some intelligent people become criminals, and I also agree that truly intelligent people could become very effective criminals.I am not naive enough to believe that all MIT/Caltech’ers are on the straight and narrow, but I sure hope the vast majority are……

    joe the magnificent (and good looking):

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): Entertained you may want to think about that statement. Some very brilliant minds in this country alone have been criminals they just usually get away with it because of power and money. I think I said some thing about Nixon earlier. We can start there and any one here can fill in the blanks with plenty of names. By the way it was kind of funny how Patrick and one or two others scrambled to research MIT and my being there. I think the grads of caltech and MIT are smart people but when you say “that level of intelligence” I think you’re giving a little too much credit. Any school like those are going to have your brilliant ones of course, Linus Pauling at Caltech with Einstein teaching there as well but there are plenty with average intelligence who studied hard and made it but it doesn’t necessarily put them at a high level of intelligence.

    b

    Yes I was aware Einstein was a visiting prof. I also know people who are very successful that don’t even have a college degree.

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  84. Actually, “joe” is once again providing a very powerful educational tool for anyone reading who is even remotely considering dabbling in HYIP ponzi “autosurfs”

    “joe” has given a real world example of how “HYIPspeak” can be used successfuly to dupe the unwary “newbie”

    Following a post questioning his obvious lack of verbal skills, he responded by claiming he graduated as a member of the MIT 1987 class. Under further questioning, he responded that he had, in fact, attended MIT under the “GI Bill”

    THEN, when his story was clearly exposed as being, at best, highly improbable and at worst an outright lie, his response was that the whole exchange had been an attempt at humour.

    Further, he then twisted the “facts” even further by claiming some sort of “victory” over other posters (and the blog itself)

    Prospective “players” would do well to educate themselves as to how the “HYIPspeak” demonstrated so well by “joe” works.

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  85. littleroundman: Actually, “joe” is once again providing a very powerful educational tool for anyone reading who is even remotely considering dabbling in HYIP ponzi “autosurfs”“joe” has given a real world example of how “HYIPspeak” can be used successfuly to dupe the unwary “newbie”Following a post questioning his obvious lack of verbal skills, he responded by claiming he graduated as a member of the MIT 1987 class. Under further questioning, he responded that he had, in fact, attended MIT under the “GI Bill”THEN, when his story was clearly exposed as being, at best, highly improbable and at worst an outright lie, his response was that the whole exchange had been an attempt at humour.
    Further, he then twisted the “facts” even further by claiming some sort of “victory” over other posters (and the blog itself)Prospective “players” would do well to educate themselves as to how the “HYIPspeak” demonstrated so well by “joe” works.

    people obviously smarter than you on here seemed to understand that I was joking after I explained it. Why would I bother lying about something that could be so easily checked. No, you just can’t stand the thought , you want to try to further your agenda by supposedly “exposing me”. Also you put words in my mouth, show me where I claimed a victory. I was just surprised that some people didn’t get it. That might be my fault a little bit when i told Patrick yes to the GI bill but I was still goofing around and I also thought it was obvious due to my age that the probability wasn’t there but bottom line I didnt realize you didn’t get it. You can’t admit that so you try to play it off that I meant it and was caught. Oh and verbally I’ll go toe to toe with you any day. What, you think you’re an eloquent speaker or writer? Wow ok

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  86. Wow, I gotta hand it to “joe”

    This is turning out to be one of the most educational threads on this blog.

    Who woulda thunk it ???

    So, what have we learned so far ???

    “joe” believes HYIP ponzi autosurfs are just another form of gambling.

    “joe” recognizes, but simply doesn’t care, that autosurfs are highly illegal.

    “joe” recognises but simply doesn’t care that knowingly participating in an illegal HYIP ponzi autosurf is, in itself, illegal.

    A lie is not a lie if the liar is smiling when he or she types it.

    When caught out in a lie, a cheerleader is only “a little bit” guilty when they reinforce the lie with additional “facts” (DAMN, but that sounds a lot like the “Congressional Medal” saga to me)

    When caught out, a cheerleaders’ best defense is to attack.
    Attack the way his or her accusers talks or types, their sexuality, political leanings, lack of military experience or even their nickname (can we spell G-U-E-N-T-H-E-R and j-o-e ???)
    Never mind the “facts” attack, attack, attack.

    Speaking of “facts” notice how every conversation on nearly every forum is mysteriously steered away from the “fact” that ASD is dead in the water, as is AVG, AV4U and virtually every one of the followon “clones” It’s no accident, just another HYIP ponzi cheerleader tactic to be aware of.

    Who knows, if “joe” is kept talking long enough, he may singlehandedly reform the whole ‘net scam scene by providing such real life “lessons”

    Stranger things have happened.

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  87. joe the magnificent (and good looking): By the way it was kind of funny how Patrick and one or two others scrambled to research MIT and my being there.

    I did not scramble to research MIT to see if you were there. I figured there was a 0 percent chance you were there, especially not as a nontraditional student 10-15 years after your purported release from a Vietnam POW camp.

    You’re now trying to pawn if off as a masterful bit of obscure humor — purporting to derive some sort of satisfaction because the surf critics raced to check on your claims.

    It wasn’t funny at all, which is not to say there isn’t a thick, darkly comical strain of Tom Wolfe’s “The Bonfire of the Vanities” running front to back in this long-running saga — the Hollywood version that flopped, not the book, which did well.

    Part of the ASD/AVG story is an extremely black comedy, but there is no joy. Too many people have been hurt.

    joe, you purport your POW claim to be true, but now purport your MIT claim not to be true. The reason I give the POW claim a sliver of a chance of being true is because it is too painful to contemplate that you’ve placed a lie on the shoulders of actual POWS, just like Andy placed a lie on the shoulders of the institution of the Presidency.

    True or untrue, actual POWS would be displeased to know one of their own is running interference for an entity the government believes to be a criminal enterprise that fleeced some of society’s most vulnerable people. They didn’t withstand the beatings to make Democracy safe for Ponzi schemes, wire fraud and money-laundering. They did it to make the world safe for their families, including children, wives, sisters, brothers, Moms, Dads and Grandpas and Grandmas coast to coast.

    And they’d be no more pleased by your intellectual dishonesty and stream-of-consciousness use of vulgarities in many of your posts. It is repugnant, whether or not one is a POW.

    Your defense of AVG — your demeanor, your word choices — is a real eye-opener, as LRM points out. You cannot sanitize it, joe. The filth runs too deep.

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  88. admin: The filth runs too deep.

    A-bloody-MEN

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  89. admin:

    joe the magnificent (and good looking): By the way it was kind of funny how Patrick and one or two others scrambled to research MIT and my being there.

    I did not scramble to research MIT to see if you were there. I figured there was a 0 percent chance you were there, especially not as a nontraditional student 10-15 years after your purported release from a Vietnam POW camp.You’re now trying to pawn if off as a masterful bit of obscure humor — purporting to derive some sort of satisfaction because the surf critics raced to check on your claims.
    It wasn’t funny at all, which is not to say there isn’t a thick, darkly comical strain of Tom Wolfe’s “The Bonfire of the Vanities” running front to back in this long-running saga — the Hollywood version that flopped, not the book, which did well.Part of the ASD/AVG story is an extremely black comedy, but there is no joy. Too many people have been hurt.joe, you purport your POW claim to be true, but now purport your MIT claim not to be true. The reason I give the POW claim a sliver of a chance of being true is because it is too painful to contemplate that you’ve placed a lie on the shoulders of actual POWS, just like Andy placed a lie on the shoulders of the institution of the Presidency.
    True or untrue, actual POWS would be displeased to know one of their own is running interference for an entity the government believes to be a criminal enterprise that fleeced some of society’s most vulnerable people. They didn’t withstand the beatings to make Democracy safe for Ponzi schemes, wire fraud and money-laundering. They did it to make the world safe for their families, including children, wives, sisters, brothers, Moms, Dads and Grandpas and Grandmas coast to coast.And they’d be no more pleased by your intellectual dishonesty and stream-of-consciousness use of vulgarities in many of your posts. It is repugnant, whether or not one is a POW.Your defense of AVG — your demeanor, your word choices — is a real eye-opener, as LRM points out. You cannot sanitize it, joe. The filth runs too deep.Patrick

    Oh my goodness, did I upset you?

    admin: You’re now trying to pawn if off as a masterful bit of obscure humor — purporting to derive some sort of satisfaction because the surf critics raced to check on your claims.

    I never said it was masterful at all, I just said it figuring you would get it. It was off the top of my head, it wasn’t planned at all. The only thing I thought was funny was the someone did some research based on the comment. I wish I had planned it, it would have been better but I can’t take credit for that. You still don’t get it, I basically said i was surprised that it was even taken seriously. You said you didn’t so good for you. Entertained said I “got him” which I wasn’t even trying to do. I can also see how someone might have thought I was serious although I don’t really know how because the timeline doesn’t fit at all and i obviously would be the one to know that.

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  90. Why can’t we just ignore this clown? He’s the classic definition of a troll.

    The only useful purpose of engaging him is to show is foolishness which he’s demonstrated in spades. Both in his ‘business acumen’ and the way he responds to inquires. Personally, I think his 15 milliseconds of usefulness are long since over.

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  91. dirty_bird: Why can’t we just ignore this clown?He’s the classic definition of a troll.The only useful purpose of engaging him is to show is foolishness which he’s demonstrated in spades.Both in his ‘business acumen’ and the way he responds to inquires.Personally, I think his 15 milliseconds of usefulness are long since over.

    You love me and you know it.

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  92. DB,

    You are probably right. Little joe is gloating above that I said he got me….yep, sure did….sorry joe, I guess you missed the sarcasm. Getting me would have meant correctly answering the two questions I posed about MIT. See joe, I didn’t need to research your possible MIT connections, nor did I care about your real age and whether or not it impacted on the chances that you went to MIT. No, I asked questions that all MIT insiders would know in order to flush out another deception on your part. We’ve found you’re not very good at answering questions, nor about refuting any of the illegalities of the scams you promote and support….

    dirty_bird: Why can’t we just ignore this clown? He’s the classic definition of a troll.The only useful purpose of engaging him is to show is foolishness which he’s demonstrated in spades. Both in his ‘business acumen’ and the way he responds to inquires. Personally, I think his 15 milliseconds of usefulness are long since over.

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  93. joe the magnificent (and good looking): Oh my goodness, did I upset you?

    Actually, yes. Take your passive-aggressive posturing elsewhere.

    My World War II vet father died while my brother was in Vietnam. The U.S. government plucked him out of the jungle and brought him home via Seattle, so he could watch his World War II vet father being buried — and to comfort his widowed mother and younger siblings, including his two-year-old brother.

    I was eight. My brother in Vietnam was 20 — suddenly the man of the family. He went back to the jungle when his bereavement leave expired. I didn’t want him to go back. He explained it was his duty. He’s 62 now, a frequent patient at the Vets’ Hospital. He once volunteered at the hospital, even though he can’t take a step without feeling pain.

    Your duty appears to be to claim you’re a POW while running interference for a Ponzi scheme. It’s reprehensible, and I’m not going to do another round with you on this.

    Patrick

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  94. It’s reprehensible, and I’m not going to do another round with you on this.

    Great news Patrick. It would appear that little joe has outlived his usefulness and is now wasting a lot of valuable bandwidth.

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  95. alasycia: Great news Patrick. It would appear that little joe has outlived his usefulness and is now wasting a lot of valuable bandwidth.

    He and Festa may be related. Although they appear to be on opposite sides of the debate on the merits of these scams, they are equally obnoxious. Nauseating, really.

    PWD

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  96. I kind of liked joe. I think he provided a valuable service.

    His child like bickering, the meaningless insults, the admission of illegal activity, the constant expression of acting outside the law, the petty distractions. All these may have helped show how ponzi supporters, ponzi payment processors, ponzi hosts, have such blatant disregard with the law, and no compassion with how anyone else lives.

    His posts may be an annoyance, but it may demonstrate how morally corrupt those who support & “play” these ponzi schemes are. My suggestion is to continue to let him post. Let him dig him self deeper in to his own hole.

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  97. Hi Tony,

    Tony H: My suggestion is to continue to let him post.

    “joe” is dishing out a considerable amount of invective and passive-aggressive spite in the back room. It appears not even to have occurred to him that thoughtfulness was an option before it came to this.

    I don’t deny people the opportunity to express their points of view on matters pertaining to ASD, AVG and the surfs. But “joe” was derailing threads and, prior to today’s events, was posing a maintenance problem.

    I asked him to stop derailing threads on Aug. 14, after he announced he had come out of his second self-imposed retirement to post here again. His post didn’t immediately appear because it had been flagged by the spam filter overnight, but he instantly declared that some “wimp” had deleted it.

    The spam filter is a WordPress plug-in that works automatically and does a very good job. “joe’s” post likely was flagged because it used words the filter scored high for spam. I didn’t trap the post; the filter trapped it automatically.

    When I awakened in the morning, joe’s post was in the filter. It was an announcement about a conference call for the ADV4U autosurf and had been directed at an inappropriate thread.

    A separate post of his also was in the spam filter, and also was off-topic from the thread. It, too, was a post announcing an ADV4U conference call. “joe” said right in his post that he had licensed himself to post off-topic in the thread.

    “[B]ut you know me, I don’t care,” he said.

    Today he claimed victory with a “Yay” — but then followed it up with a series of increasingly hostile or vulgarity-laced posts, directing vile to individual men and women who post here.

    “joe” had a wide berth here, and couldn’t exercise even minimal restraint.

    Patrick

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  98. For what it’s worth, anyone buying Joe’s “it was all a joke” had to believe Bill Clinton never inhaled, Nixon was not a crook and the check is always in the mail.

    Patrick, I have somewhere a list of all government recognized Viet Nam POWs, surprisingly there are two people who served, were captured and due to collaborative activity are not recognized as official POWs.

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  99. Hi Gregg,

    Gregg Evans: Patrick, I have somewhere a list of all government recognized Viet Nam POWs,

    Thanks for the note. I published a PDF of the officially recognized list of POWS from the Department of Defense, after “joe” made the claim. I asked him if his name was on it, and he deflected.

    This whole issue came into being as a result of a comment about John Gotti — and “joe” claimed to have served harder time than Gotti. Someone called him on it, and Joe then announced he was a POW — but didn’t want to talk about it.

    Patrick

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  100. alasycia: It’s reprehensible, and I’m not going to do another round with you on this.Great news Patrick. It would appear that little joe has outlived his usefulness and is now wasting a lot of valuable bandwidth.

    Actually I must tell you I miss joe, while he was crude at times he did also display a decent amount of intelligence. We can only wonder why he chooses to behave the way he does at times. It wasn’t all of the time and when he did he had plenty of good points and obviously knew a good deal more than you wanted to credit him with. I know I’m probably wrong but Patrick it seemed more like anger on your part than anything joe said that made you give him the boot. It might seem to some like you are running from him. Personally I know that isn’t the case but think of all of the people who come here to see what he’s saying. He could be rather entertaining. Many are people likeminded to him and see it as a sort of victory for them. Just a thought. In the end you’re the boss so it’s your choice. Respectfully yours

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  101. Hello William,

    William Lodge: I know I’m probably wrong but Patrick it seemed more like anger on your part than anything joe said that made you give him the boot.

    You’re right about this, William. It was anger. Doesn’t make my decision yesterday wrong, though. Basically, I started being wrong about this on Aug. 14, the date joe hurled insults because the spam filter trapped two of his posts and he didn’t get the gratification of seeing them immediately.

    Trying to err in joe’s favor, I gave him a warning to stop misdirecting threads. Looking back on it, I should have blocked him then.

    William Lodge: It might seem to some like you are running from him.

    William, I am not running from joe. joe licensed himself to be chronically abusive. I tolerated it for a while, believing it was in the best interest of the story to do so. Basically I thought it would be useful for people to see the vulgarity and deflections from a person who claims to be a POW and proponent of Ponzi schemes.

    One doesn’t see this kind of thing every day — the unapologetic, vulgar defense of Ponzi schemes — and from a purported POW, no less.

    William Lodge: Many are people likeminded to him and see it as a sort of victory for them.

    joe’s opinion was that this Blog was nothing, so it follows that like-minded readers who declare a sort of victory are declaring a victory over nothing.

    Some ASD folks will manufacture victories out of whole cloth if need be. Some of them even divined a victory from an order by a federal judge for Andy Bowdoin to show cause by Aug. 28 why his motion to undo his decision to submit to the forfeiture should not be denied.

    The judge was telling Andy in no uncertain terms that the 11th hour he had put on hold for six months was nigh, and some of the troops created the fantastic story that the judge had ordered prosecutors to demonstrate ASD was a Ponzi scheme by Aug. 28.

    Patrick

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  102. We have every penny we have in the company in the payment processors and some members just could not wait and see that we were going to pay all of you so they decided to start complaining to the processors.

    Now we have alertpay that is frozen. I have gotten solidtrustpay and strictpay all straightened out and now when I am getting ready to pay out I went to alertpay and the majority of our funds are frozen. Thanks to a few, none is getting paid until Tuesday because I did not realize it was frozen until I just logged in to do the payrun.

    I have no choice but to wait until I get the account unfrozen on Tuesday.

    VERY IMPORTANT, IF YOU DON’T WANT THE PAYMENT PROCESSORS TO DIVIDE THE MONIES TO THE MEMBERS AND THEM TAKE A LARGE % OF THE FUNDS THEN PLEASE DO NOT REQUEST A REFUND OR CASHOUT. IF YOU WANT TO HURT MANY PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU WILL GET MORE THRU THEM, YOU WON’T AND YOU ARE JUST MAKING IT BAD FOR THE GROUP.

    Yes I am upset, I worked all week putting this together. I have never ever missed a payrun and now a small few has taken that and made a huge mistake. SOME THINK I HAVE CHANGE FROM THE LAST 10 MONTHS? WHEN I SAY I AM GOING TO DO SOMETHING I INTEND TO DO IT!!!!!!!!!

    For the ones that believe that my intentions are real this does not pertain to you. For the ones that think that I am ripping members off and doing the wrong thing, here is the scoop. I do not take 25% like the website says, I took less than 1% because I want the gold site and the adventure members to earn like never before.

    I am so so upset, please give me to Tuesday, if not I will let all of you know that I cannot get the payment processor to reverse issue and you can the request thru them. But here is the scoop, every penny we have is in the processors because I have been dumping everything I have in there to do this payrun.

    I have enough to purchase gold and that is completely all I have. So if I cannot get reversed. This is in your hands.

    Steve Smith

    I can get it fixed but all has to be calm or I cannot and then you will have to get your money from them.

    Steve Smith

    Perhaps this is why poor lil joe is so cranky.

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  103. SRS stiffed the members and blamed them. I’m shocked and utterly speechless.

    At least we know he wasn’t kidnapped by aliens and is being held hostage in a trailer park in Arkansas.

    We also know that Elvis didn’t stop by and spend all the money on peanut butter and bananas.

    We have every penny we have in the company in the payment processors and some members just could not wait and see that we were going to pay all of you so they decided to start complaining to the processors.

    Now we have alertpay that is frozen. I have gotten solidtrustpay and strictpay all straightened out and now when I am getting ready to pay out I went to alertpay and the majority of our funds are frozen. Thanks to a few, none is getting paid until Tuesday because I did not realize it was frozen until I just logged in to do the payrun.

    I have no choice but to wait until I get the account unfrozen on Tuesday.

    VERY IMPORTANT, IF YOU DON’T WANT THE PAYMENT PROCESSORS TO DIVIDE THE MONIES TO THE MEMBERS AND THEM TAKE A LARGE % OF THE FUNDS THEN PLEASE DO NOT REQUEST A REFUND OR CASHOUT. IF YOU WANT TO HURT MANY PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU WILL GET MORE THRU THEM, YOU WON’T AND YOU ARE JUST MAKING IT BAD FOR THE GROUP.

    Yes I am upset, I worked all week putting this together. I have never ever missed a payrun and now a small few has taken that and made a huge mistake. SOME THINK I HAVE CHANGE FROM THE LAST 10 MONTHS? WHEN I SAY I AM GOING TO DO SOMETHING I INTEND TO DO IT!!!!!!!!!

    For the ones that believe that my intentions are real this does not pertain to you. For the ones that think that I am ripping members off and doing the wrong thing, here is the scoop. I do not take 25% like the website says, I took less than 1% because I want the gold site and the adventure members to earn like never before.

    I am so so upset, please give me to Tuesday, if not I will let all of you know that I cannot get the payment processor to reverse issue and you can the request thru them. But here is the scoop, every penny we have is in the processors because I have been dumping everything I have in there to do this payrun.

    I have enough to purchase gold and that is completely all I have. So if I cannot get reversed. This is in your hands.

    Steve Smith

    I can get it fixed but all has to be calm or I cannot and then you will have to get your money from them.

    Steve Smith,

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  104. Hi Whip,

    Thanks for passing the info above along. Man, this is insidious.

    Start a surf. Collect money. Make payments to gain trust. Start a Gold venture of some sort that asks people to send gold in the mail. Gather an unknown quantity of gold.

    Then change the payouts in the surf. Then warn people not to contact the offshore processors. Then blame people who do.

    If this person is for real, then he was pumping the Oprah scam just five months before the launch of the surf. And it is inconceivable that he did not know about ASD, and the federal seizure amid wire-fraud, money-laundering and Ponzi allegations.

    And it is inconceivable that he didn’t know about MegaLido and Noobing and the others — and it is incomprehensibly inconceivable that most of the others who came on board ADV4U didn’t know of the ASD litigation, the bizarre events at AVG and all of the previous litigation concerning autosurfs.

    How many true victims exist amid these circumstances?

    Participants defend the autosurfs by saying rebates aren’t guaranteed — only until rebates start to shrink or disappear. It somehow doesn’t become a scandal until they get ripped off. Never mind that they worked to create the pool of people who got ripped of.

    Just another day in the incongruous world of the autosurf.

    Patrick

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  105. Hey Patrick,

    I hope you sold your Microsoft shares because I called their bank today and complained. Starting next week, none of their vendors will be paid and shareholders have received their last dividend.

    dB

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  106. Hey, db, are you trying to start a rumour or something and damage Microsoft financial welfare with your negativity?

    We’ll have to watch their Alexa rankings carefully for the next few days! lol

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  107. Hi d_b,

    dirty_bird: I hope you sold your Microsoft shares because I called their bank today and complained. Starting next week, none of their vendors will be paid and shareholders have received their last dividend.

    Heck, you just ruined my retirement. But I figure you’re just kidding. More than one person must have called the bank, huh? It’s always been my understanding that a bank must get at least 15 panicked emails before it seizes the assets of its rainmaker depositor without calling police, holds them indefinitely, performs a secret calculation — and then provides a pro rata refund to shareholders by a forumula it determines while operating blindly.

    Hey, maybe AlertPay did call the police or the securities regulators in Canada. That way, a law-enforcement agency might be able to take steps to assure there is a level playing field for ADV4U victims.

    Patrick

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  108. I just called 15 times using different names and voices. I wasn’t sure they were going to believe me when I used my helium voice but they went for the edited Alvin and the Chipmunks audio so I figured the bank wouldn’t be wise to the helium voice.

    I really think you should do an investigative report on why money never has a problem flowing into these programs, it’s always the payouts that stop. I would think that if a payment processor had frozen an account, it would be in both directions. I guess not. It never is.

    admin: Hi d_b,

    dirty_bird: I hope you sold your Microsoft shares because I called their bank today and complained. Starting next week, none of their vendors will be paid and shareholders have received their last dividend.

    Heck, you just ruined my retirement. But I figure you’re just kidding. More than one person must have called the bank, huh? It’s always been my understanding that a bank must get at least 15 panicked emails before it seizes the assets of its rainmaker depositor without calling police, holds them indefinitely, performs a secret calculation — and then provides a pro rata refund to shareholders by a forumula it determines while operating blindly.Hey, maybe AlertPay did call the police or the securities regulators in Canada. That way, a law-enforcement agency might be able to take steps to assure there is a level playing field for victims.Patrick

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  109. What negativity? I am positive I shut them down.

    alasycia: Hey, db, are you trying to start a rumour or something and damage Microsoft financial welfare with your negativity?
    We’ll have to watch their Alexa rankings carefully for the next few days! lol

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  110. ……yes, and let’s not forget our friend, the compulsive liar and Patrick Pretty poster, Serial Criminal Scam Promoter Steve Watt. He’s long been one of the pimps for AV4U, and has posted lies here about no longer shilling for these criminal activities. Zero chance he’s a victim — he was an ASD pimp as well, so he knew, 100%, that AV4U was illeagl from day one, but of course he doesn’t care — his downline covers his financial risk. Too bad his victims don’t have their risk covered.

    admin: ……. and it is incomprehensibly inconceivable that most of the others who came on board ADV4U didn’t know of the ASD litigation, the bizarre events at AVG and all of the previous litigation concerning autosurfs.How many true victims exist amid these circumstances? Participants defend the autosurfs by saying rebates aren’t guaranteed — only until rebates start to shrink or disappear. It somehow doesn’t become a scandal until they get ripped off. Never mind that they worked to create the pool of people who got ripped of.Just another day in the incongruous world of the autosurf.Patrick

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