ASD Mainstay Bob Guenther Lectures Federal Prosecutor, Says He’ll Call On ‘Political Connections’ To Embarrass Justice Department; Claims Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio Not Tough Enough On Crime

Already facing two felony charges in Arizona stemming from what police described in court filings as a repeated pattern of harassment against a gaming company, Bob Guenther now has taken aim at a federal prosecutor involved in the AdSurfDaily case.

Guenther, 61, who describes himself as a former Marine and Vietnam veteran, forwarded a copy of an email to this Blog early this morning, suggesting the email has or will be sent to Justice Department Senior Trial Attorney William Cowden.

“Soon, very soon, I am going to call on some political connections, and I am going to share everything I knew then, know now and everything I tried to provide you with,” Guenther said in the email.

He complained that Cowden had not returned more than 50 emails he had sent. Guenther has a history of citing political connections. At one time, he claimed to have the private phone number of Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott.

Earlier this year, Guenther sent the PatrickPretty.com Blog 11 emails on a single day, requesting a receipt for each. He complained when the Blog did not instantly publish a story based on information he had sent, and also threatened the Blog with “war.”

At the same time, he threatened to use the database of the ASD Members Business Association (ASDMBA) to send an email that identified PatrickPretty.com as “Possibly a ASD winner!!!”

PatrickPretty.com and its author are a journalism enterprise. Neither the Blog nor its author were members of ASD or ASDMBA, which has come under fire for accepting money from ASD members in a bid to establish legal representation that would seek the return of money they sent to ASD.

Neither the PatrickPretty.com Blog nor its author has any stake in the outcome of the ASD litigation or matters that concern ASDMBA. ASDMBA members have complained that Guenther has not provided appropriate accounting for how ASDMBA spent its money. They also have complained that Guenther has engaged in menacing behavior and suggested members who sought answers would have to sue him to get them.

Guenther also criticized police officers and Maricopa County, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio in his email to Cowden.

“People go to jail everyday for things as simple as not paying a traffic ticket,” Guenther said. “I am fighting two bogus Class 6 felony charges in Maricopa County, filed by another ‘Andy’ I have exposed.  If I were to lose the case, there is mandatory jail time.

“MY crime? I purportedly sent two emails to CME’s corporate counsel, thus violating a Workplace Harassment Injuction (sic) filed against me to keep me away from other shareholders,” Guenther continued.

He complained that authorities were not taking effective action to stop crimes, saying an individual he described as a criminal “is still walking the streets, still taking in millions of investors money, still hiding assets, right there under Sheriff Joe’s nose..”

Cowden, Guenther implied, could learn a thing or two about law enforcement from Guenther, who has a felony conviction for bank fraud. ASDMBA members complained that Guenther did not disclose the conviction when he was holding conference calls to gather money for the Trust.

“When are you going to wise up and ask the help of people who can load you up with so much verifiable facts of fraud, you couldn’t possibly follow-up on it all[?]” Guenther lectured Cowden.

“By the time a Trustee finally gets around to attempting to get restitution from ASD winners, they will have the money spent or hidden so deep, MILLIONS upon Millions will be gone,” Guenther continued. “That of course assumes you win this case.. These ASD people talk and plan strategy daily, they communicate through emails, blogs, forums and conference calls. Do you have people in on every one of these groups, I do..

“You ever get around to really wanting to put these guys away, you call me,” Guenther lectured.

In an April 13 letter to readers, PatrickPretty.com shared details about behavior Guenther had directed at this Blog.

“In recent weeks we have received a number of communications from Guenther we deem threatening — and this while Guenther is facing felony charges in Arizona amid allegations he violated a court order repeatedly and continued to threaten an Arizona company even after being warned not to do so,” the Blog reported at the time.

“You want a war, there Patrick, you got one..,” Guenther commented here [April 11]. “Print the truth, get off the ASDMBA or start a war.. Your Choice…”

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39 Responses to “ASD Mainstay Bob Guenther Lectures Federal Prosecutor, Says He’ll Call On ‘Political Connections’ To Embarrass Justice Department; Claims Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio Not Tough Enough On Crime”

  1. I love watching attention wh*res flip out when they aren’t getting the attention they want while others are.

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  2. It’s nice to see Bobbie has our “back” in case Cowden totally screws up the case. I’m not sure about you, but I will sleep so much better tonight. I will have been drinking…

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  3. DICTIONARY: farce

    # noun
    1. light, comic theatrical piece in which the characters and events are greatly exaggerated to produce broad, absurd humor.
    2. The branch of literature constituting such works.
    3. The broad or spirited humor characteristic of such works.

    # A ludicrous, empty show; a mockery

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  4. Delta Farce? He is alleged military ya know.

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  5. Boy, I am sure Guenther will be a mainstay on the “witless” stand after that email. Spies everywhere? Good grief.

    And people thought Bowdoin, Mattoon, Bales, etc. were delusional. He sets the bar rather high.

    So who gets charged with more felonies, Bowdoin or Guenther?

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  6. And don’t forget, Guenther attorney Larry Friedman sent Jack Arons a copy of a letter admonishing Guenther to stop threatening people. It seems to have have had no effect.

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  7. It’s all a ploy, I tell ya.

    When he’s eventually charged, there’ll be more evidence supporting his “insanity” plea than he’ll need in 2 lifetimes.

    Given the amount of ammunition Blowhard Bob has provided, there’s not a court in the land which wouldn’t agree with such a plea being valid.

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  8. Dollars to donuts, Bob is bi-polar and most obviously off his meds.

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  9. Every seen that Billy Madison movie when Steve Buscemi has a list of “people to kill” and then proceeds to put on lipstick? That’s what I’m picturing here…

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  10. I really feel sorry for Bob as it is apparent that he has lost sight of reality.

    I am surprised that Bob is not blaming me for Cowden not answering his emails.

    Yes, Bob I did send a copy of your downline in ASD, Jaffa and Mmougals to Cowden, The Arizona AG, Sheriff Joe, The Judge and Prosecutor. So it seems that you Sir are the big winner in those scams and not everyone else.

    Maybe you and Andy can start your own church.

    Pastor Andy and Reverend Bob of “The Church of the Holy Scam”.
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    The information contained in the following link has been verified by various legal professionals as being true and correct.

    http://rapidshare.com/files/286985107/BobsASDJaffaDownline.pdf

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  11. What I am wondering is if Bob has considered some of the possible charges which could stem from his ASDMBA and Jaffa scams. Like Andy, he could be looking at Wire Fraud, Money Laundering, and other charges that involve fraud over state lines. Add these to falsifying financial and residency info to Arizona Court, transporting girls across state lines for immoral purposes (Maria), theft by deception and by conversion, and harassment by wire or electronic means and he is looking at about an Ice Age behind bars.

    Note: The above is based on watching 3 Episodes of “Law and Order” and one night stay at a Holiday Inn Express. No lawyers were harmed, damn it.

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  12. He complained that authorities were not taking effective action to stop crimes, saying an individual he described as a criminal “is still walking the streets, still taking in millions of investors money, still hiding assets, right there under Sheriff Joe’s nose..”

    In all fairness, Bob, they are putting you on trial…

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  13. Gregg Evans: He complained that authorities were not taking effective action to stop crimes, saying an individual he described as a criminal “is still walking the streets, still taking in millions of investors money, still hiding assets, right there under Sheriff Joe’s nose..”In all fairness, Bob, they are putting you on trial…

    But, Gregg… Bob is innocent, I tell ya!!!!

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  14. Right – he only send out a couple of itty bitty emails. (They may have enclosed threats including the whole of the US special forces AND his dog, but that is niether here nor there)

    When will the Government understand what is wrong with the American Judicial system. They NEED Bobbie to tell them.

    Patrick please stop all these articles. My sides are hurting from too much laughter.

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  15. Bob is innocent

    You keep on believing that…and we’ll have cookies after the men with the big nets take the dancing chimp away….

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  16. I wonder if Little Bobbie will call Mr Cowden “rookie”?

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  17. Tony H: I wonder if Little Bobbie will call Mr Cowden “rookie”?

    Well, in fairness to Bob he has spent more time in a court room than Attorney General Cowden.

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  18. Patrick Pretty,

    Thank you for publishing my comments so quickly. As I told our group of ASD and Panda victims, and the victims of Gary Whiting, Founder of Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment and a affiliated MLM company called MMOGULS, I can always depend on your blog to stir up the natives.

    I would, however take exception to your comments regarding Maricopa County’s Sheriff Joe. I made no disparaging comments regarding Sheriff Joe. Mesa, AZ is just in his jurisdiction. The charges against Gary Whiting will be brought by the Arizona AG’s office, the SEC, and other State AG’s where victims of Whiting reside.

    My letter to William Cowden was requested by several concerned groups of victims. Over 300 ASD and Panda victims, most of whom have given Andy/ASD or Panda over $5000. Another particular group of over 400 people, represented by four Atlanta area men gave Busby over $1.8Million, none of which was earned through ASD, so there is no link between the two.

    My reason for emailing you should be obvious, Judge Collyer is close to ruling. When she tossed all of the ProSe filings on August 31st, filings that were orchestrated and influenced by some Kansas, Iowa and Florida based ASD winners, she gave a clear indication that enough is enough. So now it is time to round up all the troops again and get ready to try and “GO GET THE MONEY”..

    Dont you find it strange that Judge Collyer ruled on behalf of the Government on July 24th in the Panda matter and Panda forfeited over $14Million dollars in investor money. No effort on behalf of the Government has been made to give ANY money back to vitims, unless you call posting a website proactive.. Read the letter from the USDOJ.

    http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/dc/Victim_Witness_Assistance/files/July%2027,%202009%20-%20GP%20Forefeiture%20Granted.pdf

    Regarding Gary Whiting and CME/MMOGULS, this guy makes Andy and ASD look like childs play. Why not help thousands of Investors, former employees and vendors who are owed millions and millions. Read the public records and see if you see a trend to keep agressive victims at bay. Simply go to:

    http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseSearchResults.asp?lastName=whiting&FirstName=gary&bName=

    Of course, it’s not over until its over, given Andy’s latest BS with his new lawyer, next he will plead Insanity.

    Again, thanks for the post..

    Robert L. Guenther

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  19. What’s REALLY spooky is: how the heck does Blowhard Bob know WHAT the prosecution/investigators are up to/have done/will do ???

    Is this some sort of new fangled American legal system “thing” where the prosecutors/investigators phone “interested parties” and keep them up to date on what’s happening ???

    I dunno how it works in the USA, but here, investigators keep things strictly to themselves until they consider they have enough to spring their trap/s, (which could take years)

    The same type of “years” by the way, which long time observers of HYIP ponzi and “autosurf” scams have long been predicting this case will take.

    Instead of being a mere “farce” this has now DEFINITELY shifted into the realms of HIGH farce.

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  20. Bob, I’m sure all of the ASDMBA and PANDAMBA members can write glowing testimonials on how well you got them back the money they invested, after you took donations for a legal battle. But wait, all you did was take the money.

    All anyone sees you doing now is repositioning yourself to con people out of even more money, for doing nothing but bumping your gums, and not helping anyone but yourself. Why on earth do you think you can get control of any of this money? And what high moral calling does this come from? None.. none at all.. you, just like Andy, have lived off of conning people for so long, that’s all you know how to do.

    Be sure to let people know of your felony bank fraud conviction before they “hire” you to watch out for their money.

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  21. Since this is such a big deal to all of you, why dont you look up my “Felony Bank Fraud”.. None of you can, because the only way you can access it is if you are an enforcement agency, And why would that be?? Judge’s orders, BUT WHY? Hey ask Arons, he knows all, right? He controls the internet and knows all, right from that mobile home in Florida.. Maybe he should try and charge for all this gratis information, but wait, then it would have to be factual…

    My “crime” was I didn’t pay off 11 cars “on time”. Thats right genius.. In fact the money to pay off those 11 cars was deposited in the US Bankruptcy Court, per the trustees instuctions.
    The incident happened in the late 80’s, it wasnt until right before the statute of limitations was due to expire that charges were brought. And the reason they were brought, I wouldn’t cooperate with a no-talent punk “Former” USAG Prosecutor and roll over on my S&L partners, none of which were guilty of anything, and none of which were ever charged with anything. All of this is way over your head, but suffice to say, a very hard nosed, but fair Judge saw through the Governments charade. Now I could post the 6 page recap from my Criminal Attorney, one of the most capable and well known Criminal Attorneys in the Southwest, but why? It has no bearing on anything.

    YOU PEOPLE JUST DON’T GET IT. Our Government Judical system is filled with incompetent wanna be’s, most of whom couldnt make it in the private sector on their best day. When these prosecutors get a “big case” especially when a Administration change is swapping parties, they are watching out for themselves and their supervisors. There are no wild cards being played. They half ass a case because they are over worked, understaffed, sometimes underfunded for that particular case, and when all else fails, they resort to intimidation. When that doesnt work, hell they actually have to try a case and do some work, only problem with the fight, they have a check book that never runs dry.

    And the reason I am doing what I am doing has nothing to do with the money. They is no money, I dont know what you bill an hour, or a day or a month. Something obviously none of these people understand, it is to eradicate JUSTICE, Do you actually believe that the circus going on in Judge Collyer’s court is going to provide justice? By the time Andy and his scum bucket bunch of lawyers finish, most of the money in the field will be gone, spent or hidden/ I dont know about you people, but a principle of dealing with crooks is, “Get your money back THEN get even..”

    You people actually think the FEDS are going to take $70Million dollars, set it all aside in the coffers of the US Treasury, then very fairly and without delay, give it back to the victims. You must be on drugs.. IF and I say IF it happens, you let them do it the Feds way, it will take YEARS and Millions of Dollars of Trustee, Admin and legal fees, all taken out of the ASD POT..

    You dont get anything FROM the US Government without a fight.. Unless of course you are in prison or dead, then they might just mail you a stimulus check..

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  22. Patrick….

    Instead of taking your very creative interpretive authority of my email to Cowden, you have my permission to post it, Word for Word..

    Bob Guenther

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  23. My “crime” was I didn’t pay off 11 cars “on time”. Thats right genius.. In fact the money to pay off those 11 cars was deposited in the US Bankruptcy Court, per the trustees instuctions.

    That, Bob, is a lie. I have read what purported to be a document on your criminal conviction, and from what I read, your crime was actually mis applying loan funds that were contingent on certain assets (cars you were holding in inventory) to other assets after the underlying assets (the cars you used for the collateral) were sold. Ever see the movie Fargo? Sounds real familiar to me. I also seem to recall that the funds were not in the bankruptcy estate, and in fact I’m positive I have seen comments in the record of that case where the Judge in fact flat out calls you a liar and gave you a little pimp slapping for having the nerve to try to bullshit a Federal Judge.

    The facts, in your criminal conviction, are….

    You were loaned money against certain cars you acquired.

    These loans were to be paid off from the purchase funds when the cars were sold.

    You sold the cars.

    You didn’t pay back the loans.

    At some point someone tried to match the funds from the loans to the cars they were tied to, and lo and behold the cars and the cash were both gone.

    Which is a felony.

    Which you were convicted of.

    Convicted Felon Bob Guenther.

    And I’m willing to try and get the so called “sealed” record and post it for all the world to see. I’m pretty sure I can do that. In light of your recent behavior I’m pretty sure I can get a pet federal judge to release it.

    Rookie

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  24. The incident happened in the late 80’s, it wasn’t until right before the statute of limitations was due to expire that charges were brought. And the reason they were brought,

    Oh that’s rich. Didn’t pay the loans off on time, but the statue of limitations was about to run? So you call 7 years later on floorplan loans “not on time”? So you’d have us believe that 7 (well, in Texas it may be 2 years, I’d have to check) years passed and the funds were in bankruptcy trusteeship? Not everyone is an idiot Bob. You may think this nonsense will fly, but face it, you’re a crook and everyone here knows you’re a crook.

    And quite a few of us think you’re batshit crazy, too.

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  25. You people actually think the FEDS are going to take $70Million dollars, set it all aside in the coffers of the US Treasury, then very fairly and without delay, give it back to the victims. You must be on drugs.. IF and I say IF it happens, you let them do it the Feds way, it will take YEARS and Millions of Dollars of Trustee, Admin and legal fees, all taken out of the ASD POT..

    More proof that you haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about. Admittedly, in SEC actions where they do not have the authority to take over the money directly most of the time, a private entity is appointed as a receiver and is paid fairly from the criminal proceeds. But this case is not that kind of action, the money is seized, it is held in the treasury and none of it is directly used to pay any costs of refunding any of the victims. Also, this method allows the government to determine that some members for lack of a better term, deserved to lose, and not give them anything. In fact, the refunds under this program are not strictly dependent upon the amount of money recovered, it is possible that not all of the seized funds will be distributed, but also possible that more will be returned to victims than was taken from Andy. And you have been told this many times, which leads me to suspect you are trying to mislead people, and maybe you have motives that many who question your ASDMBA experiences bring up.

    So here we are.

    You’re a crook.
    Everyone here knows you’re a crook.
    And quite a few of us think you’re batshit crazy.

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  26. Note to readers:

    If you’ve been reading this Blog for a while, perhaps you know that we established a policy in April no longer to reply to any emails Bob Guenther sends us.

    Our decision was based on threats he made against us and others and the hostile or sarcastic manner in which he has approached us and others. We have not, however, blocked Guenther from posting here. Nor have we blocked his ability to send us email.

    Guenther is part of the ASD story. We’ll cover him as the situation warrants.

    Robert L Guenther: And the reason they were brought, I wouldn’t cooperate with a no-talent punk “Former” USAG Prosecutor and roll over on my S&L partners

    Note: Bob Guenther previously described this prosecutor as “the little Volvo driving idiot of a Prosecutor.” (March 25, 2009, email to this Blog.)

    Guenther said the prosecutor angered him after his guilty plea to bank fraud, adding, “I had to be restrained and was escorted out of the courtroom…”

    However, Bob’s own attorney had this to say about the prosecutor, Michael Savage:

    “In fact, the final, successful sentencing disposition of the case was achieved in part as a result of Mr. Savage’s full compliance with certain ‘gentleman’s agreements’ favorable to Bob Guenther which other prosecuting attorneys may not have honored.”

    The docket in the case (See No. 37 in the PDF below) suggests the government recommended a downward departure to the judge in sentencing Guenther.

    Robert L Guenther: Since this is such a big deal to all of you, why dont you look up my “Felony Bank Fraud”.. None of you can, because the only way you can access it is if you are an enforcement agency, And why would that be?? Judge’s orders,

    Note: The conviction is a public record.

    Here is a PDF of the court docket:

    http://patrickpretty.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/guentherdocket.pdf

    Guenther, on this Blog, said he had been approached about applying for a Presidential pardon, but decided against it because the granting of a pardon could be construed to mean that he agreed he was guilty — despite actually pleading guilty in 1994.

    “I will except nothing less than the charges be expunged,” Guenther said, on March 21, 2009, on this Blog:

    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/03/21/guenther-was-charged-with-financial-fraud-in-1990s/comment-page-1/#comment-1671

    Guenther initially was charged with 11 felony counts. He accepted a plea deal, and pleaded guilty to one count in December 1994. Prosecutors dropped 10 counts in the deal.

    After a year-long series of delays Guenther, was sentenced to three years’ probation, in December 1995. He was ordered to pay $76,134 in restitution, which U.S. District Judge Paul Brown labeled “due immediately.”

    In July 1998, his probation was modified, enabling Guenther to pay restitution in installments of $3,000 monthly. Guenther made good on the restitution and was discharged from probation in April 1999.

    Here is what Guenther said March 25, 2009, in an email to this Blog, to explain his decision to plead guilty:

    “At the time [of the plea], I was down to my last $350,000, after liquidating everything I had to keep my [car] dealerships alive during the S&L collapse of the late 80’s ,and simply TRYING to get the FHLBB and the Government out of my life and business. I sold and liquidated everything from my house in Vail to selling my wife’s wedding ring to pay payroll, still couldn’t get them out..

    “When I took the plea, I was trying to protect my family, we had just adopted another child, and I chose not to fully deplete my funds. I fully thought I was going to jail for 8-12 months. And for what, absolutely nothing but after 3 tours in Vietnam, a year at club-med in Seagoville Texas was not the end of the world..”

    Robert L Guenther: All of this is way over your head, but suffice to say, a very hard nosed, but fair Judge saw through the Governments charade. Now I could post the 6 page recap from my Criminal Attorney, one of the most capable and well known Criminal Attorneys in the Southwest, but why? It has no bearing on anything.

    Note: In March, Guenther described the document he now says “has no bearing on anything,” as a document that had bearing. He provided a copy of the document to this Blog, and we published a story that included a link to the document.

    http://patrickpretty.com/2009/03/25/attorney-guenther-devastated-but-never-should-have-been-charged/

    After we published the story, Guenther threatened a poster here:

    “And get ready to spend a little of your own money pal. It’s coming, hide and watch..” he said.

    NOTE: When we publish a “Dear Readers” letter — as we have done on three occasions with Guenther — we are establishing a written record of threats or untenable conduct directed at this Blog.

    Bob Guenther creates a challenge for a reporter in that he sends hostile emails and tries to extract a journalistic result. It’s something that approaches “write this or else . . .”

    Here is what he said March 21, 2009:

    “Failure to do so, in a professional matter will leave me no option than to do what I must to get the truth out..”

    Guenther emailed us again (twice) through our Contact form April 6, 2009, asking us to provide an email address (that we previously had provided), saying he had information to provide and opining that “you are finally catching on to Andy and ASD.”

    On April 7, Guenther sent us 11 separate emails, asking for a receipt on some or all of them. We supplied the receipts and completed a very busy work day, which included reading Guenther’s emails and attachments.

    On April 8, Guenther emailed us again — twice. These emails were hostile and sarcastic. Our reading of them is that Guenther was unhappy because we didn’t instantly prepare a story based on the information he had submitted. Less than 24 hours had passed between his earlier submission of 11 emails and attachments, and much of the time was “overnight” time in which we were sleeping.

    Guenther also opined in one of his April 8 emails that “If Andy had not been such a fool, so greedy and surrounded himself with such low life thugs and thief’s, he might have beat the case.. The problem for the Government, Andy’s business plan, 125% return DOES work.. I have a logarithm prepared by one of the most prestigious mathematics professor’s in the country that proves my case.”

    Guenther also talked about a hostile confrontation he had in a Florida bar with an ASD figure.

    “I confronted this lying SOB in the bar of the hotel where the Miami rally was held, there were about 150 people in the bar, I was pretty upset, in fact down right pissed by then, because I had been trying to get my $5000
    cashiers check back I had put in ASD earlier that morning,” he said.

    By April 11, Guenther was challenging us to a “war” and threatening to send an email to the ASDMBA membership that suggested we were “Possibly a ASD winner!!!”

    We concluded there was no way to have a productive discussion with Guenther, based on his threatening behavior, menacing language and hostile tone.

    Patrick

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  27. And what is your problem with a little hostility, a little “get in your face” conversation. Writing is indeed an art, and you do a great job at it, credit where credit is due, BUT “facts” are something that shouldnt change from author to author. When I read many of these responses, you and I both know they dont have a clue what they are talking about You have the resouces to check things out, research what someone tells you, ascertain what is fact and fiction and use your resources to KEEP PEOPLE FROM LOSING THEIR MONEY.

    Case in point. Last year I sent Cowden information on three new companies about to emerge, Ad Surf type companies simply duplication ASD, usi9ng the same software in many cases, and founded by ASD Winners, withy Andy and Busby’s hand in each one. The original post regarding these companies remains on our website, http://www.asdmba.com. It was posted in November 2008. You wrote a story on one such company last December. Some of those emails I sent you last year and early this year pertained to Ad View Global..

    http://patrickpretty.com/2008/12/22/ad-view-global-new-advertising-program-debuts/

    Question, how many people joined thisn scam and LOST THEIR MONEY??

    The FEDS, including Cowden, had all the info on Ad View from day one. So did you.. WHY NOT WARN PEOPLE???

    My beef with you is you have a forum and resources to give unbaised straight forward reporting, and you worry about hostility??? Please..

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  28. Bob Guenther: My beef with you is you have a forum and resources to give unbaised straight forward reporting, and you worry about hostility??? Please..

    Umm, sorry to interupt your little rant there,

    BUT,

    who the he** is “worried” by anything a loudmouthed, delusional stereotypical “ugly American” nobody has to say ???

    Annoyed ?? nah

    Amused ?? perhaps

    But “worried” ????

    You gotta be kidding.

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  29. News Flash to Bob G. People were warned about ASD, AVG, AGW, BAS, Megalido, MrsVIP/V-Lane, CEP, 12DP shall I name more? The fact that people ignore warnings is not the fault of the people who do the warning. People were warning about ASD, and yet you thought ASD was the real deal, so why didn’t you pay attention?

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  30. What is amazing is the utter cavalier attitude with which Bobbie dismisses 11 counts of felony bank fraud. But then, he has an excuse for everything, after all, he was a car salesman, he is genetically disposed to lie his ass off. And he does it in every post he makes, sometimes forgetting what story he has told before. Nothing like an old liar, just like Andy, he can’t remember which lie he told already.

    “I was down to my last $350,000” and “Had to sell my house in Vale, and my wife’s wedding ring”. I’m sure that was mentioned to elicit some sympathy for “poor” Bob, who could not afford an attorney in Arizona, and then miraculously, he could. I bet Bob has more names and numbers for lawyers than most local bar associations; after all, he frequently needs a lawyer, the benchmark on an honest businessman.

    All Bob wants is attention, like most children.

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  31. Excellent comnments, Patrick and Co.

    The only thing I can think to add is that Bobbie Guenther is consistant only in his consistancies

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  32. Ok Don, for the record that is VAIL, Colorado, not VALE…

    And who said I could not afford an attorney in Arizona.. Once again, show up to a real courtroom, quit watching Perry Mason or Boston Legal, maybe you will get it.. Or just ask Arons, he haw all the answers.. They are wrong, but he has answers..

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  33. Bobbie, apparently, your memory is failing. You plead indigence and were assigned a Public Defender when you were arraigned. It’s a fact and part of the court records. Back when you appeared before Margaret Benny on May 12th, along with a record of you submitting financial information.

    And I quote:

    IT IS ORDERED appointing Public Defender’s Office to represent the Defendant for all further proceedings in this case.

    5/12/2009 FIN – Financial Information – Party (001)

    Both of these are taken directly from Maricopa docket records and Case Minutes. Public records. Why would you submit financial information and be given a PD if you could hire an attorney; seems you would have had this attorney there for all court appearances, an attorney you retain, an attorney not paid for by taxes for poor people. You can’t keep your lies straight anymore.

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  34. Maybe Bob only filed his financial information to impress the court as to his importance.

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  35. Rookies, one and all. internet rookies…

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  36. Robert L Guenther: Rookies, one and all. internet rookies…

    Gee, Blowie,

    are you psychic now ???

    All those people ridiculing you, mocking your every post and reporting your shenanigans to all those agencies, yet you’ve somehow divined they’re ALL “internet rookies” ????

    WOW !!!!!!!!!!! What a man, a veritable legend in his own lunchtime.

    Goodness, gracious, you ARE the funny one.

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