NarcThatCar: Site Operates As MLM, Says Members Earn By Writing Down License-Plate Numbers; Links Itself To Amber Alert Program

NarcThatCar wants you to pay it $100 up front. For that fee, you become a “consultant” qualified to write down the license-plate numbers of 10 cars per month, input the information into a database and earn multilevel commissions by recruiting. After you pay the $100, you’re then charged $24.95 a month for a website, according to Narc That Car.

Some members of AdSurfDaily and Golden Panda Ad Builder now are promoting the NarcThatCar program, which says clients such as major automobile manufacturers, companies that have private liens against cars, banks, car dealerships that do their own in-house financing and commercial vehicle companies are interested in purchasing information from the database.

If the repo man, for example, is looking for a car and the owner is hiding it, NarcThatCar — relying on the input of its team of license-plate gawkers — will sell him a database entry on reported sightings of the car for $99 — and even provide a map of the reported sightings.

The repo man also has the option of offering a “finders fee for information which leads to the location of your collateral,” Narc That Car says. “This option sometimes helps the process along.”

NarcThatCar labels its license-plate gawkers “independent consultants.” It appears as though any independent consultant hit by a car or otherwise injured while while gawking at license plates and recording their numbers would need to rely on his or her own insurance.

The NarcThatCar website does not explain how consultants should proceed if, say, a local merchant calls the police to complain that a strange person appears to be walking around the parking lot and writing down license-plate numbers.

Who else can use the Narc That Car database?

“Law-enforcement agencies, government agencies, missing persons and the Amber Alert program,” Narc That Car says in a video to recruit prospects.

Information on Amber Alerts, which are issued when a child goes missing, scrolls across the bottom of the NarcThatCar website.

The U.S. Department of Justice, which celebrated the 14th anniversary of the Amber Alert program Jan. 13 and maintains an official website on the program, did not immediately return a call seeking comment on the NarcThatCar program.

NarcThatCar does not list the names of any clients on its website. Nor does the company disclose information on how many database clients it has and how many of them are paying fees to receive a report on a target vehicle. Also unclear is whether Narc That Car imposes a fee if the government or the Amber Alert program wanted to use its database.

Narc That Car, however, does disclose that it has rounded up “thousands” of consultants to write down license plate numbers, enter the information in a database and potentially earn MLM commissions at least five levels deep.

The business is simple, Narc That Car explains.

“Narc a Few Cars,” the company says. “Teach Others How to Narc Cars.”

The company says members are required to act in a “lawful, ethical and moral manner” and perform “with honesty and integrity.” NarcThatCar adds that it provides instruction on federal and state privacy laws and “fundamental training on the the proper way to gather information.”

On “the online success zone,” a forum once known as “The Golden Panda Ad Zone,” a Narc That Car sponsor is promoting the program in a thread titled, “ANYONE CAN DO THIS…write down 10 license plates a month get paid.”

The Amber Alert program is referenced in the first sentence (18th word) of the Narc That Car pitch.

“A company out of Dallas needs to grow a data base of license plates to use for Amber Alerts and other reasons,” the pitch begins.

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30 Responses to “NarcThatCar: Site Operates As MLM, Says Members Earn By Writing Down License-Plate Numbers; Links Itself To Amber Alert Program”

  1. Could this be another one of those Bob and Larry scams?

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  2. This was posted on another forum by willie.

    I was told by the CEO/President (Bill Forester), NOT to advertise Narcthatcar.com on any forums, or anywhere else, unless approved by the
    company.

    Sounds just like what Andy use to tell his supporters.

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  3. Jack Arons: Could this be another one of those Bob and Larry scams?  

    Nah,

    it’s just ANOTHER one of the HYIP/ponzi “hot opportunity” games currently being featured on the “usual suspect” forums, such as My Cash Forum (MCF) and MMG.

    This weeks “hot opportunities” include “NarcThatCar” along with “VOIParty” and the “FillerUpClub” which is offering fuel with a 50% “rebate”

    Just more of the same.

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  4. “A company out of Dallas needs to grow a data base of license plates to use for Amber Alerts and other reasons,” the pitch begins.

    So what is to stop someone entering any old rubbish & earning $$$$$$? I suspect not much, this is just the hook. This is the excuse to say that someone is providing goods or a service.

    NarcThatCar wants you to pay it $100 up front.
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    After you pay the $100, you’re then charged $24.95 a month for a website, according to Narc That Car.

    That’s the important bit, the $100 up front then $24.95 a month. The rest is just the hook and the convincer.

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  5. When I first saw this, I could not believe what I was reading. My first thought was surely no-one would fall for this, which was immediately followed with I wonder how quickly they will get 50,000 to join. It seems the more bizarre and absurd the scam is, the more people fall for it. Just goes to show you how desperate people are today, and the scammers count on it.

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  6. I have a new program called “Make Don Rich” in which you need to send me $100 to join, and only $20 a month to continue in the program in which I might pay a “rebate”. No pesky license plate numbers to write down or websites to surf.. just send me money each and every month!!! How much easier could it be??

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  7. Hi Tony,

    Tony H: So what is to stop someone entering any old rubbish

    Narc That Car suggests in a video that its consultants’ database entries are checked against government Department of Motor Vehicle (DMV) entries, which makes me wonder if the company ever could glean government clients. For example, why would a government entity ever become a Narc That Car customer when it already has its own database(s) and law-enforcement agencies to do whatever tracking is required?

    Beyond that, people are already selling Narc That Car as though it has some tie to the Amber Alert program. That’s going to rub people the wrong way — like the purported medal from the White House and the “shelter” claims from the SEC and FTC in the ASD case.

    Amber Alert has its own .gov address. Here is the site as administered by the Justice Department:

    http://www.amberalert.gov/

    It seems to me that promoters already are implying that Amber Alert endorses Narc That Car or that joining Narc That Car is a way to support the Amber Alert program. Narc That Car mentions Amber Alert in its marketing materials. Could lead to confusion.

    Patrick

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  8. Don: I have a new program called “Make Don Rich” in which you need to send me $100 to join, and only $20 a month to continue in the program in which I might pay a “rebate”. No pesky license plate numbers to write down or websites to surf.. just send me money each and every month!!! How much easier could it be??

    LOL, Don. I think Mario Puzo published a book in 1969 with a “Make Don Rich” theme. He called it “The Godfather,” if I’m not mistaken.

    Patrick

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  9. admin: Narc That Car suggests in a video that its consultants’ database entries are checked against government Department of Motor Vehicle (DMV) entries

    The obvious question is why don’t they just get the DMV database? The number plate thing is just a distraction, a front to the scam, nothing else.

    Don: I have a new program called “Make Don Rich”

    In the past I have seen some scams promoted on talkgold et al, which had the word “ponzi” in the domain name. They still had “investors”, and paid-for posts saying “nice site” etc.

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  10. Yeah…there’s a few scammers already trying to justify this hilarity on scam.com:

    http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=123295

    In fact, one of the clowns, of course, is already claiming to have made his money back plus.

    I signed up a month ago, made my money back and am earning commission. So I wouldnt be so quick to judge. This data will not only benefit lieholders but it will be used for Amber alerts and Missing persons. Sometimes you just have to do your research. This isnt getting peoples personal info and exploiting them like “big brotherish” explains……. Anyone can write down a license plate in a parking lot. Please do reseach on Billy Forrester and call Narc Technologies yourself and ask who the clients are that are buying these reports. Then call those clients. Lot of people passing this opportunity by due to previous scams. MLM works. Ask anyone who does it or has done it.!!!!! I for one am thrilled I joined.!!!!!

    I was curious as to how long it would be before you talked about this one.

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  11. Whip, quoting a Scam.com poster.: This isnt getting peoples personal info and exploiting them like “big brotherish” explains…….

    Hi Whip,

    I wonder if the Scam.com poster who likes the program has considered other privacy or GIGO issues.

    For example, Suspect A, who is on the lam from California, is in Key West, Fla., and believes the cops or repo man know his license-plate number and want to question him about something or repossess his car. Neither the cops nor the repo man, however, knows he is in Key West, and Suspect A has removed his license plate or shielded it from view.

    Suspect A calls someone in Michigan, who plunks down $99 and reports he has seen the license plate at the Kmart in Kalamazoo.

    And then someone from Anchorage, Alaska, does the same thing for Suspect A. Such a result could throw off both the repo man and the cops, making it harder — rather than easier — to locate the car.

    What if Suspect A is an Amber Alert subject, and games the Narc That Car system against the cops or has family members, friends or fellow suspects who will do it for him?

    Seems as though there is a high potential for abuse and also GIGO with Narc That Car.

    Plus, it might be a hard sell to persuade Americans that Narc That Car isn’t licensing a bunch of private MLM spies. There mere act of driving to the grocery store or parking on a public street or at a sports stadium or at a place or worship or — mercy, the adult-video store — could result in your plate number being entered in a database by an MLMer.

    Maybe MLMers will start staking out the adult-video stores or start hanging out in church parking lots to get their 10 license-plate numbers per month. Someone will find the laziest way possible to meet the minimum requirement.

    Just leaving your car parked in your driveway or at the curb in front of your house could get you entered in a database — all so someone can earn a commission and rake off downline commissions.

    Patrick

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  12. http://www.bbb.org/dallas/business-reviews/multi-level-selling-companies/narc-technologies-in-dallas-tx-90236435

    I wonder if the “independent consultant” referred in the BBB report above is the same one making the claims at scam.com?

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  13. Now this is suppose to be a big company or so the claims go. My question is why are there servers/ISP operating out of Atlanta,Ga and not Texas? Also, let me clarify the money for tags. You will only get paid for the first 10 tags that you give them. After that it is strictly based on the number of other people you get to join and their 10 tags.

    Also, what is to stop some one from going to their local salvage yard (junk yards) and writing down all the tag numbers from wrecked and disabled cars?

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  14. Narc Technologies Inc.

    Phone: 214-377-1617
    Fax: 214-572-7331

    Office Hours: Monday – Friday 9am to 5pm CST

    Address:
    1111 Empire Central Place
    Suite 200
    Dallas TX, 75247

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  15. These people are allegedly former directors of YTB – Your Travel Biz – MLM fame.

    http://scam.com/showpost.php?p=857707&postcount=2258

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  16. Ken jFusso seems ot escape thes procedings. Lets not forget him. He is a huge pimp and enable. I want to take him down. ken russo is a huge scammer.

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  17. Some bold earnings claims being posted about:

    http://www.work-at-home-forum.com/reviews-14/cash-for-writing-down-license-plates-narcthatcar-16253.html

    You get $50 check once you join and submit 10 license plates. Refer 3 others that do the same and you get $25 each, you’ve got your money back. The money grows from their monthly.

    If you think people aren’t making money with this; here are December Top Earners:

    1) J Truitt – $22,235.60
    2) B Drewery – $10,222.60
    3) G Furr – $3,369.60
    4) B Derrick – $2,703.60
    5) L Myers – $2,399.80
    6) D Trigueno – $1,906.30
    7) D Bliss – $1,596.10
    8) B Frey – $1,594.30
    9) J Richard – $1,560.50
    10) R Salley – $1,558.30

    And where have you heard this before:

    I was told that the company has the attorneys of the king of network marketing, Amway, on board making sure all is legit and to provide for longevity.

    And then they get exposed:

    Having owned a lease and finance company years ago, and having to hire reposession companies more than a few times, it was not my responsibility to locate car, I just handed over contract with address, job information and nearest living relative, and in almost every case, they found the cars, so where does it make sense to collect a bunch of plate numbers of millions of people who in most cases are not going to ever face a repo situation?

    Sorry, I research them all, and no matter how I look at this, it just does not make sense. It is like looking for a needle in a haystack with this supposed data base they are creating, and given everyone is pulling plates from any parking lot, who in their right mind would first look at a random shopping lot looking for a repo. If they were requiring you to search for where an existing repo may be located according to finance company if the person moved, changed jobs, etc. OK, maybe, then it would make a little more sense, but the way this company is operating is ass backwords, starting with just any car in hopes of having a data base to source. Come on, you don’t start with random locations, you start with home, work, parents home, etc. when a repo order is sent in.

    It just makes no sense, and believe me, I analyzed it carefully, even called my old repo companies and they all laughed, so by all means, enjoy it while you can, it did not pass my smell test, sorry. It is a money game as I see it, and hey, many can make money at first, but come on, what happens when everyone is submitting same plates, then they have the same data base they could have purchased from DMV as most repo companies do since many will change plates when they are in default of loan on their cars, so you tell me, am I wrong, this just doesn’t make any sense to me, but hey, good luck.

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  18. 17 years in the making – Feds to unveil auto database
    And I thought it was taking a long time to get the “Red Flag Rules” up and running. 17 years after Congress first passed legislation requiring it, the Feds are unveiling an auto database to deter theft and fraud regarding vehicles titled in the United States. Read all about it here – http://www.detnews.com/article/20100123/AUTO01/1230331/Feds-to-unveil-auto-database-to-deter-theft–fraud. Good read and about time!

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  19. Interesting article here: http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/jan/19/the-eyes-have-it/ about the Mobile Plate Hunter 900 Series computer linked system which is also being demonstrated and trialed in Oz as well as being implemented in some states in the U.S.A.

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  20. Do any of you know this is a scam? Let me answer that for you. No! I personally know all the guys that are on the top list of money makers. One of them is Cash Myers yes the Rodeo guy. Google him if you like. They have always got their checks and so have I. For the people that say why not go through the dmv directly. Please use your brain. DMV does not tell the location of that car, example, sitting in front of walmart or parked in an empty lot. Especially if the car is taken. This is a database to find cars that are not paid for. Other companies can use this to. Like my mother is about to sign up as a client, what does she do? She owns a bailbond company. Before you knock this company use your little brains. If you cannot see the usefulness of this company maybe go back to school. Also if you are building a business that is one of a kind would you list all info on how the business works so that others can build the same business. Wow all the negatives about a company that gives all your startup money back. Oh and it takes a lot of work to maintain their website systems. Check on it. Just don’t make stupid comments!!

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  21. Here is another take a look. Oh why not attend meeting since there are so many concerned citizens.
    Hello again nay sayers. This company is brand new. Of course everyone is skeptical and that is fine. There is a 21-25 business day delay on bonus checks. I got mine like 2 1/2 weeks after I joined. I guess because it’s an easy concept that its a scam. I know 2 of Billy Forresters friends from highschool. They were skeptical too and now are making alot of money. A police officer is the one who signed me up and he has 200 officers under him. How can I prove this is legit when it is brand new? How can anyone? You are not required to sign up clients until the Director level. You do get money for signing up other consultants. I have recieved by $50 sign up, my $75 promotion and my earned commission from those plates. I work for the courts and can assure you that police do not have addys for peoples cars because they get that info from DPS and people dont go and get new DL everytime they move. Maybe responsible people do but irresponsible people (like people who dont pay for their cars) dont. Thats just a fact. Ask any officer please. So if this database has 5 hits on a vehicle thats registered to Montgomery Alabama but its reported being seen 5 times in Dallas TX then one can reason that the person is not in Alabama and is in TX. Right? People are creatures of habit and will grocery shop, work out, tan, get haircut etc at the same places. Hate ont his all you want. But talk to someone who is actively involved in promoting this and get informed. Then make an opinion. This is not a get rich scheme overnight. Lots of people doing it are 2 months into it and finally seeing a pay off. Its networking and takes time. But I will say there were only 6K consultants 2 weeks ago and now there are 11K. That’s amazing! I am excited I joined and am just looking for extra income on top of my reguar 8-5 job. One other point. I have already made my money back so if for some miraculous reason this database flops then I havent lost anything and I have gained extra money. So who loses?

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  22. Jeffery,

    Jeffery Wilkins: Just don’t make stupid comments!!

    You’re an affiliate for Narc That Car. You’ve suggested that people who question some of the claims they’ve read have “little” brains and need to “go back to school.”

    I have now seen several forum posts and a video that imply Narc That Car is affiliated with the Amber Alert program or was started for the Amber Alert program, law enforcement and repo companies.

    Is Narc Thar Car affiliated with Amber Alert? Are police departments and other law-enforcement agencies? Are there any testimonials from the agencies or perhaps a letter from Amber Alert, whose national coordinator is the U.S. Department of Justice, that certifies any sort of affiliation or endorsement? Is Amber Alert a customer?

    Also, if you have a moment, please see this story:

    http://patrickpretty.com/2010/02/02/video-ad-for-narc-that-car-claims-program-was-started-for-amber-alert-system-prospects-told-to-gawk-at-license-plates-at-best-buy-food-lion-mcdonalds-others/

    The story is on a video promo for Narc That Car that includes the logos of 30 famous companies, all of which maintain private property, pay taxes on it, have oodles of customers and maintain parking lots for them.

    Should these retailers and service companies surrender their parking lots so Narc That Car affiliates can mine data from them and get paid for entering it into a database?

    Should the companies poll customers to determine if they think it’s acceptable that a Narc That Car affiliate is outside in the parking lot, writing down license-plate numbers for a fee?

    Is a Narc That Car affiliate required to get the permission of say, the manager of the local McDonald’s, before he or she starts recording the plate numbers of cars in the parking lot?

    What happens if the manager says no and calls the police because he is beginning to notice that more and more people appear to be standing in the parking lot with pen and paper and recording license numbers?

    Should the manager of, say, Best Buy — another company whose logo appears in the video — start stationing an employee in the parking lot to monitor bids by Narc That Car members to record plate numbers and/or to shoo away would-be recorders?

    What if a Best Buy customer complains to the manager that she came into the store to buy a new laptop, not to have her license-plate number written down by someone standing in the parking lot and acting suspiciously?

    What if a car owner confronts a Narc That Car affiliate in the parking lot, demanding the piece of paper on which the plate number was written? Are Narc That Car members supposed to turn over the paper? What are they supposed to say if an irritated customer calls the police or demands the name of the Narc That Car affiliate so it can be shared with a lawyer?

    Are Narc That Car affiliates supposed to record the numbers in stealth fashion, so Best Buy or Krispy Kreme doughnut customers don’t know their cars are being monitored by a data-collection company?

    Patrick

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  23. Quick note:

    Justice Department says Amber Alert program in “no way” affiliated with Narc That Car:

    http://patrickpretty.com/2010/02/03/justice-department-amber-alert-system-no-way-affiliated-with-narc-that-car-mlm-program/

    Patrick

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  24. Jeffery Wilkins: Do any of you know this is a scam? Let me answer that for you. No!

    You didn’t answer for me. Of course it’s an obvious pyramid scheme which will collapse eventually.

    Jeffery Wilkins: I personally know all the guys that are on the top list of money makers. One of them is Cash Myers yes the Rodeo guy.

    Actually it’s not “Cash Myers” but a “Lacey Myers”, which sounds like a girl’s name, not some butch cowboy type. But I could be wrong. In fact:
    http://members.boardhost.com/LisaLou/msg/1264354458.html

    Lacey Myers is a stay at home Mom. She joined on 12/5 and made 2400 in December.

    So not a cowboy. Do you really know them personally? If so, you may need to get your eyesight tested. Being able to tell the difference between a stay at home mum and a cowboy seems quite fundamental to me.

    Jeffery Wilkins: This company is brand new.

    If it is brand new, the database would be small. This MLM pyramid scheme is about selling the database. If the database is small then it’s value is low. With a small, low value database, how can it afford to pay these people 10s of $$$$$?

    On the list is a “Beverly Drewery” who was also connected with something called “My Travel Club Usa Team Build” – there’s a thread at MMG. If a MLM promoted at a notorious ponzi promotion forum is not enough to make you think twice you deserve what you get.

    All the people on the list have been paid money taking from new members. They have not been paid for providing a service or product. That makes it a fraud. Don’t believe me, there’s this post at a ponzi friendly forum:
    http://www.asamonitor.com/forum/index.php?s=fe24116877a51c1d45792d005c4316b7&showtopic=17969&pid=322546&st=0&#

    The gentleman that made the $22K+for Dec., made
    around $3700 for his November commission. Of course he has a majority of the company in his downline.
    With the current growth (from 1200 consultants on the 1st of Dec to over 7000 now) he could possibly
    double his commission for January.

    The big money is being made purely from selling the pyramid to a “downline”. This makes it fraud because they are profiting from the opportunity not the product. The product has very little value.

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  25. Like all other scams, 10% will make money, the rest will eat dirt.

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  26. This last quote by Ed speaks for me “Like all other scams, 10% will make money, the rest will eat dirt.”

    Here is my take on narcthatcar…As I responded to a recruiter’s email to me:

    I admitted “I had been bitten by the MLM Bug years ago and somewhat been addicted to it every since”, but the more I read about the mechanism of the business the more I am convinced that only a few will earn big. Your plan pays out $5,930.00 monthly for the member who has 363 active members in their downline which is great for that member. However, this means that these 363 members must get (363 x 363) or a total of 131,769 new members in order for each of them (the first 363 members)to earn $5,930.00 per month! You know this I am sure but man this is a long shot! Honestly only the heavy recruiters will see big pay checks and the rest will be just working for these big recruiters! Oh by the way that 131,769 above will need 131,769 x 363 or 47,832,147 new members if they want to earn $5,930 per month! The top dogs who got in early just ride the momentum and earn huge bucks while the rest get peanuts or as Ed said “eat dirt”.

    Well as I said, you already know this. I am just seeing it for myself. All the best to you but I don’t think I want to offer this some what false hope to others.

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  27. Hi Solomon,

    It’s great to see that things are clicking for you now, pardon the pun. Hopefully, it saves you from losing money and the grief of alienating friends and family.

    dB

    Solomon: Well as I said, you already know this. I am just seeing it for myself. All the best to you but I don’t think I want to offer this some what false hope to others.

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  28. If they were really offering a legitimate service why limit people to only narking 10 cars per month. Why impose a limit???? They are primarily concerned with more people joining the business than they are about collecting more data…

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  29. Okay, here we are about three years later and I wonder how all these rich people are doing. Funny, I don’t hear them bragging about all their trips to the bank…

    I know two of the idiots who got involved in this garbage- a husband and wife team who can never seem to make a car note, light bill or mortgage payment on time. Yet they always have money to give away on this kind of crap and, of course, lottery tickets.

    The funniest part, to me, is, the couple I speak of was leasing-to-buy the computer they used for all this crap. Before the leasing agent came and got the computer for non-payment, the ISP had long before cut the line for the same reason.

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  30. Post script:
    Until I went there a few moments ago, the last activity on its FaceBook page was in May of 2010. They have gathered a whopping 29 (yes, twenty nine) “Likes”

    Copied directly from the FB page, this was the most recent posting:

    NarcThatCar shared a link.
    May 22, 2010

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