JUSTICE DEPARTMENT: Amber Alert System ‘No Way’ Affiliated With Narc That Car MLM Program

Shooting down claims by affiliates of Narc That Car, the U.S. Department of Justice said this morning that the Amber Alert System is in “no way affiliated” with the Narc That Car multilevel-marketing (MLM) program.

The denial comes on the heels of repeated claims by Narc That Car affiliates that the company, which says it pays “independent consultants” to write down license-plate numbers and enter the information into a database, had ties to law-enforcement agencies and the Amber Alert system.

Narc That Car is in “no way affiliated with the Amber Alert program,” said Kevin Jenkins, a Justice Department spokesman who works with the component of the agency that coordinates Amber Alert.

Narc That Car says it sells license-plate numbers to banks and companies in the business of repossessing automobiles, implying that it also has government clients for the license-plate data entered by its affiliates.

Information on Amber Alerts, which are issued when a child goes missing, scrolls across the bottom of Narc That Car’s website, and affiliates have said the company was started in part to provide information to Amber Alert.

Amber Alert is referenced in a promotional video put out by Narc That Car. It also is referenced in a video by an apparent Narc That Car downline organization known as Team Trinity International.

Team Trinity International makes the claim that the Narc That Car program was started “to provide historical location data for lien holders, law enforcement and other entities such as the Amber Alert System.”

Part of Team Trinity International Narc That Car promotion.

A Team Trinity video promotion for Narc Thar Car says affiliates should go to the parking lots of famous companies such as McDonald’s, Best Buy, Piggly Wiggly and 27 other famous firms to find a ready supply of license-plate numbers to enter into the company’s database.

Whether Narc That Car affiliates are required to obtain the permission of companies into whose parking lots affiliates venture to mine license-plate numbers is unclear. Also unclear is whether Narc That Car affiliates are required to obtain the permission of the vehicle owner before recording the license-plate number.

Another open question is how Narc That Car affiliates are expected to behave if a person who does not want his plate number recorded calls police or an attorney. Yet another open question is how Narc That Car affiliates are expected to behave if a store manager calls police or shoos the affiliate off the premises.

Jenkins said companies and individuals were not permitted to cite nonexistent Amber Alert ties in advertisements and promotional materials.

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25 Responses to “JUSTICE DEPARTMENT: Amber Alert System ‘No Way’ Affiliated With Narc That Car MLM Program”

  1. Hello, thanks for the information. Actually, Narc That Car has established a partnership with CodeAmber.org which is another Amber Alert organization which works with governmental agencies across the US.

    The logo that is on each consultants site is the CODE Amber ticker and not the AmberAlert.gov logo.

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  2. Hello JP,

    JP Robinson: Hello, thanks for the information. Actually, Narc That Car has established a partnership with CodeAmber.org which is another Amber Alert organization which works with governmental agencies across the US.

    The logo that is on each consultants site is the CODE Amber ticker and not the AmberAlert.gov logo.

    Various Narc That Car affiliates are simply citing “Amber Alert,” while implying (at least) there is some sort of official tie.

    I’ve seen an ad on Craig’s List that cites Amber Alert:

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/crs/1583282973.html

    I’ve seen an Amber Alert reference in Los Angeles classifieds:

    http://espanol.clasificadoslosangeles.univision.com/BizOpps/narc_that_car_/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=8635541

    Included in the Los Angeles claim is this phrase:

    “We recently allowed the Amber Alert program access to help in their cause when there is a need to track down a vehicle quickly that might be in the National data base.”

    So, I’m not sure if this issue is uniquely about whose logo Narc That Car is publishing on its website.

    A Google search result, for example, includes this claim:

    “I got my first check from Narc That Car. This is fun and easy, and I’m helping Amber Alerts!”

    I’ve also seen claims that Narc That Car affiliates joined downlines operated by police officers, which leads to questions about whether the officers are recording license numbers for nonpolice duty and selling the data to Narc That Car.

    Despite the claims, I have seen no endorsements of Narc That Car from police agencies — and yet the Narc That Car affiliates appear routinely to be implying that police and/or law enforcement have some sort of formal tie to Narc That Car.

    Patrick

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  3. It will be interesting to see what the various famous companies have to say about people who are not authorised by the authorities who are collecting number plate lists from their customers

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  4. If anyone starts snooping round my car, whilst I’m parked in a store’s private car park, I’ll be asking why and on whose authority! If they tell me they are working with an mlm company, I would not believe a word of it and would call security – I mean, since when did companies like Amway need your car registation?

    If, on the other hand, I have something to hide, I’ll be long gone before anyone who’s looking receives the information about my whereabouts. lol

    Thankfully, the people who search for adbducted kids have law enforcement agencies and genuinely concerned citizens to help them and dont have to rely on chance information provided by a bunch of mlm’ers who are more worried about recruiting a downline and getting paid than child safety when they write down the car registrations.

    It is hard to believe that even the greediest online promoter can really expect people to fall for this one.

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  5. alasycia: It is hard to believe that even the greediest online promoter can really expect people to fall for this one.

    Einstein is reputed to have said “Both the universe and stupidity are infinite, and I am not sure about the universe.”

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  6. I have a real good idea….

    the only way this can actually not be a ponzi scheme is if someone is PAYING for the information being collected..the website has no information on how one might pay them for the data, so has anyone contacted them and asked how to buy it?

    I’ll bet they have no idea….

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  7. Greg:

    I have talked with them and for $99.00 I can get information concerning any car that I am looking for provided it is in their database. Yesterday, I called the Department of Justice and sent them a copy of their website where they claimed to be part of the Amber alert system. I am sure that in a couple of days those guys with the fancy suits will be knocking on the doors of Narcthatcar wanting answers to questions.

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  8. The way it is going now, the company should be getting the license plate numbers over and over again. Wonder if the keep paying again and again for the same plates???? Okay, it goes like this, I give the company or another player my $124.95 to join. Then I get three others to sign up and I get my $100.00 back, not $124.95, and they sign up 3 each and on and on and on. The company at a minimum makes $24.95 for each sign up and an additional $100.00 for each one that gets wise or just quits. Right or not, someone let me know?????

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  9. I just tried to access the site and it seems to be down.

    http://www.narcthatcar.com/

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  10. A poster ‘chat’ at scam came up with this scenario:

    Now here’s a brilliant idea if I may say so:

    Rather than go out once a week to collect 10 plates why not do this?

    Let’s see, 52 weeks x 10 = 520 plates.

    I think it would be easier and less work to:

    Pick one day a year, go to the mall in January, and write down 520 numbers.

    Keep that list and pick 10 from it each week – Pretty smart, huh?

    But wait a minute, if I do that, the siting of the car might be 11 months old by November when I plug that car in. Oh well as long as I put my 10 plates in I get paid. There’s no way of proving I didn’t see that car yesterday at the mall, right? Whew, still a good idea.

    I guess the only downside of this would be for the “so called” clients purchasing the data to locate the car. I mean what client would want information that is 11 months old?

    Golly gee, I hope those clients aren’t as smart as I am and consider the above scenario.

    I guess it’s possible some of them just read this post though.

    I would guess that is more reality than hypothetical but I would even imagine the ‘plate numbers’ are just being made up out of thin air. As ‘char’ states, who is verifying any of this if it’s allegedly ‘legit’?

    And why would anyone need to pay $99 when they can get that info for free from any number of resources?

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  11. Whip:

    According to their website and the postings by members who got paid you only get paid for the first ten license plates. After that you only get paid if one of your upline/downline gets paid for their ten plates.

    Another words you can give them 500 plates and you would only get paid for the first ten.

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  12. Jack Arons: I have talked with them and for $99.00 I can get information concerning any car that I am looking for provided it is in their database.

    Was there any indication on how many cars+locations their database currently has? Was there any indication as to how up to date any location info would be?

    Jack Arons: you can give them 500 plates and you would only get paid for the first ten.

    So most people would only submit 10. Which indicates an upper limit to the size of the database. If the target were to really sell the data, they would want to collect as much info as possible. The fact that they only pay for the first 10 and therefore are actively restricting the size of the database, indicates that this is really a sell-to-your-downline operation only. There is no real product here.

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  13. Jack, Good to know you’re still around after the ASD debacle. Here’s what I meant with the 520 plates. Yes, you can only submit 10 or so at a time. I’m saying just keep the same list of 520 for the whole year and cross off ten each time. Point being, by November, the plate numbers you are using were seen at the mall 11 months ago when you wrote them down.

    This absolutely defeats any advantage to this ridiculous idea. And I guarantee that the same people boasting about how much money they are making and how easy this is WILL operate this way. Heck, I’d do it that way and I’m not a scammer.

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  14. Jack,
    There video on the ‘Opportunity’ page says 10 per month at the 1:32 mark.
    Which the site is back up with a change to the front page thanks to Patrick. LOL.
    I hadn’t really thought about how absolutely ridiculous this whole theory is until I just now.
    People ARE PAYING to do work. $25 a month on top of the privilege to join fee. LOL.
    These people would be better of selling the info they collect to this bogus enterprise. At least the ones at the bottom would then actually get something back.

    They still have not removed ‘the Amber Alert program’ from the video though.

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  15. whip:

    The site is down again. They must be now removing the Amber alert logo or trying to remove all reference to it. All those who have paid for websites through them must be hopping mad as their sites are down as well.

    Yes Char I am still alive and just as ornery as before.

    I have a friend in the Repo business who is going to find out just how good the service is not. I will let you know what happens on Thursday.

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  16. Jack, a company that is just starting to gather a data base will not have the comprehensive list that they will have in a few months…. years….. you are counting on proving that this start – up company (less than 5 years in business) is not worthy of attempting to grow a value service business. Is there any business that you want to encourage to be successful?

    The PI in my group, (and there are others) have checked them out. I would imagine that the principles and their company have been scrutinized down to their under ware due to the professionals that would “get” what service this company will be able to offer. So far, there have been NO RED FLAGS but you keep spreading your written negative words. “find out just how good the service is not”. People attempting to grow the business falls to being called everything in the book. They maybe eager and not promoting it in company guidelines, but I’m sure it will be addressed…after all it’s been all of 4 months with tremendous growth. Patrick uses the word “Gawk”. Maybe if more poeple “Gawked” innocent women or children wouldn’t abducted and killed. There just might be something positive in this. I think it’s time that you and Patrick move on. Go tear down someones else’s dreams.

    My hope is that we do find someone through this data base that will rescue them from harm. You both can eat your negative, hate filled words.

    Charlie

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  17. Charlie: Jack, a company that is just starting to gather a data base will not have the comprehensive list that they will have in a few months…. years….. you are counting on proving that this start – up company (less than 5 years in business) is not worthy of attempting to grow a value service business.Is there any business that you want to encourage to be successful?The PI in my group, (and there are others) have checked them out.I would imagine that the principles and their company have been scrutinized down to their under ware due to the professionals that would “get” what service this company will be able to offer. So far, there have been NO RED FLAGS but you keep spreading your written negative words. “find out just how good the service is not”.People attempting to grow the business falls to being called everything in the book. They maybe eager and not promoting it in company guidelines, but I’m sure it will be addressed…after all it’s been all of 4 months with tremendous growth. Patrick uses the word “Gawk”.Maybe if more poeple “Gawked” innocent women or children wouldn’t abducted and killed.There just might be something positive in this.I think it’s time that you and Patrick move on.Go tear down someones else’s dreams.My hope is that we do find someone through this data base that will rescue them from harm.You both can eat your negative, hate filled words.Charlie  

    Charlie are you a promoter?

    If the biz is legit, then nothing to worry about right?

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  18. Charlie,

    Dreams are fine, as are great new business ideas. Narc is not that great new business idea. Let’s analyze, and please, please, please rebut if you can. Let’s assume that collecting license plate numbers is a great business wherein the company can sell database access. While I have my doubts about that, I’ll concede it’s possible. The real problem with Narc is that it is building the database by operating as an illegal pyramid scheme, and as Patrick says, they can never unring that bell. If the core idea is so good, why have they chosen to operate as an illegal pyramid? Why not choose a legal business model instead? For example, pay ZERO rebates, and instead issue future equity shares for all license plates entered. Further, in order to radically speed up growth of the database (the main product, remember?), drop that asinine restriction on 10 license plates per month. You yourself said that the idea was to expand the database as rapidly as possible. Again I ask you why, if there are SO many legal variations of business models that could build a database even more rapidly than the current Narc model, did the founders of Narc decide to choose the illegal pyramid model for their business? Hint: I know why…..

    Charlie: Jack, a company that is just starting to gather a data base will not have the comprehensive list that they will have in a few months…. years….. you are counting on proving that this start – up company (less than 5 years in business) is not worthy of attempting to grow a value service business. Is there any business that you want to encourage to be successful? The PI in my group, (and there are others) have checked them out. I would imagine that the principles and their company have been scrutinized down to their under ware due to the professionals that would “get” what service this company will be able to offer. So far, there have been NO RED FLAGS but you keep spreading your written negative words. “find out just how good the service is not”. People attempting to grow the business falls to being called everything in the book. They maybe eager and not promoting it in company guidelines, but I’m sure it will be addressed…after all it’s been all of 4 months with tremendous growth. Patrick uses the word “Gawk”. Maybe if more poeple “Gawked” innocent women or children wouldn’t abducted and killed. There just might be something positive in this. I think it’s time that you and Patrick move on. Go tear down someones else’s dreams.My hope is that we do find someone through this data base that will rescue them from harm. You both can eat your negative, hate filled words.Charlie  (Quote)

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  19. Charlie,

    People also “checked out” Andy Bowdoin, and look at how well that worked out. It’s kinda like when Mark Simmons said on his website that someone was “personally vetted”, and when Bob Guenther said that he, too, had been “vetted”.

    The definition of “vetted” can mean:
    1 a : to provide veterinary care for (an animal) or medical care for (a person) b : to subject (a person or animal) to a physical examination or checkup
    2 a : to subject to usually expert appraisal or correction b : to evaluate for possible approval or acceptance

    Perhaps Mark and Bob meant they took their pets to the Vet, not that they have been “appraised or accepted”. I worry when someone or something is verified by persons within the organization itself or a group of its promoters. It carries about as much validity as when Don Peterson said he personally checked Andy’s record and found it to be clean. Clean if you do not count 2 Felony convictions for fraud.

    Sorry, but your perceptions of this schemes “validity” carries no weight at all.

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  20. Oh, by the way. Haven’t the people at Narc thought of the possibility that someone with nefarious intent would think to use stolen license plates or steal someone’s car to use in the commission of the crime?? So much for the well thought out plan here. Besides, it’s just plain un-American for people to turn in information in hopes of being compensated monetarily. Sounds a lot like East Germany where neighbors reported neighbors. Where does it end??

    Besides, it just the same BS idea that other schemes used and failed doing it.

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  21. alasycia: If anyone starts snooping round my car, whilst I’m parked in a store’s private car park, I’ll be asking why and on whose authority! If they tell me they are working with an mlm company, I would not believe a word of it and would call security – I mean, since when did companies like Amway need your car registation?
    If, on the other hand, I have something to hide, I’ll be long gone before anyone who’s looking receives the information about my whereabouts. lol
    Thankfully, the people who search for adbducted kids have law enforcement agencies and genuinely concerned citizens to help them and dont have to rely on chance information provided by a bunch of mlm’ers who are more worried about recruiting a downline and getting paid than child safety when they write down the car registrations.It is hard to believe that even the greediest online promoter can really expect people to fall for this one.  

    It is interesting that people that work in business helping other people are considered greedy, but when you each go to work, you don’t complain about wanting a raise. The people above you make more money than you do, but you do all the work. Their are less people above them and they make even more money, and so on up to the top of the corporate “pyramid” we call corporations. Interesting.
    As far as people writing your plate down? Each citizen of the United States has the right to safeguard his or her community by being alert. SO many people don’t pay their bills, and I HOPE they get their car taken away, I am tired of paying for their mistakes! When I had a car that had to go back to the bank, I did not try to run and hide it, but many do! Also, the little girl whos family was killed was found based on license plate information.
    This is not “spying”. Your license plate is public information. If you hit my car in a parking lot, I am going to write your number down and call the police. This is not much different. If the car next to me might be a kidnapper, a bill payment skipper or whatever, I am going to be pleased that they get caught.

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  22. You are not ‘helping’ anyone. There is no database nor ‘clients’. It is a ponzi and that’s all it is.

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  23. “Also, the little girl whos family was killed was found based on license plate information.”

    But not out of date license plate information from a hit and miss out of date data base from an mlm. It has already been stated many times that law enforcement now have at their disposal technology which does the job faster and more accurately and for a fraction of the cost.

    Equally it is unrealistic to compare the salaries of those higher up in the food chain in a conventional business with commission earned by mlm uplines and downlines. In the first instance, the higher salaries are based on a higher level of responsiblity and seniority and bear little relation to the performance of those “under them”. In the second instance, higher comission payments relate to the timing of getting into an mlm and the number of people in your dowline and not on the work or responsibility in volved. Many downlines work very hard and well for a fraction of the money paid out to an earlier recruit who has the chance to earn comissions on a large downlines work, rather than his or her own.

    This is always assuming that the mlm has a product. In the case of NTC or CSI or whatever they are called now, it is the product or lack of it that makes the set up a straight ponzi.

    By the way there are some very strict laws about who can and cant write down registrations and why and where they can do it, especially on private property. If you see a suspicious car and report the plate to law enforcement, you are dealing with a situation where you could be a good citizen. Collecting up a random list of plates without any reason to suspect that the owners have been involved in any kind of felony and sending it to a private mlm data base is a whole different ball game.

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