Sadly, there are far too many unscrupulous businesses on the internet who do use unauthorised company or organization logos. So the presence of a logo is not authentication of an association between two organisations. Don’t forget that, previously, NTC was using the AMBER Alert name without any authorization whatsoever.

Equally, it is very presumptious to assume that people write here with the intent to cause undue harm for profit. especially when that couldnt be further from the truth. The only thing that people stand to gain is the possibility that there are a few less victims falling for a scam. Unless NTC can produce some plausible verification of their claims, I would suggest that any harm done to it is very much due

I’d like to make certain that my “personal” opinions aren’t confused. My personal view about Amber Alert and Code Amber are both the same. They are excellent organizations which assist our law enforcement establishments across the country. I wholeheartedly support them and their efforts. I personally also support the constitutional right of free speech and press whether I agree or disagree. I appreciate the opportunity to express myself freely and also that you print those views as I originally wrote them, unaltered.

My debate isn’t about whether someone did or didn’t say the wrong thing about the Amber Alert Service. I certainly can’t speculate what someone else thinks or prompts their personal decisions. What I DO know is that this is a very legal and legitimate business, one of many who all experience a few growing pains. My debate is with anyone who attacks a company or business or person with the intent to cause undue harm for profit. That would be you. I mean we get it….you hate network marketing…that’s the way you make your living…..the exact same thing you accuse Narc of doing….next subject.

As was once said before: “It is finished!”

Rick

Alasycia,

Thanks for your reply & comments. You said “but you have yet to provide any verified proof of your claims”. However you must have missed this in my previous emails? Simply go to http://www.narcthatcar.com and you can see the Code Amber Ticker and Logo right on their web site. Anyone could interpret that in almost anyway they desire. I nor you can be responsible for someone else and their misinterpretation or rightful interpretation.

So, I guess the best thing is just to agree to disagree. My best….

Rick

The relationship between NTC and Code Amber is also unclear.

The current video says that NTC CAN be used by

Law Enforcement Agencies
Government Agencies
Missing Persons
Code Amber

It doesnt clarify if it is actually being used by them (and why a missing person would use it is beyond me. lol) What we do know is that the DOJ and other missing persons related Government Agencies are not using them, because they have stated as much. We have not, as far as I am aware, received any clarification from Code Amber either, though I may be wrong here.

So all we have is a series of misleading insinuations from NTC and their promoters.

I know they say that, when you cant answer questions with verified data, the best form of defence is attack – and you are certainly doing a good job trying to discredit Patrick and other posters – but you have yet to provide any verified proof of your claims . It is highly unlikely that many of the posters here would join a scheme like this, but there are many readers who come here to find out what NTC is all about, as Patrick’s blog frequently shows up on Google when one is looking for a scheme by name. What they must make of this lack of information and series of personal insults by promoters of NTC is anybody’s guess!

Rick Hawkins: Again your argument doesn’t hold water. Code Amber News Service is an entirely different organization than the one you rant about. As I said, visit their web site and view what’s displayed there yourself. It only takes a couple of seconds to do that.

Rick,

Do you somehow not know that Narc That Car referenced BOTH AMBER Alert and Code Amber, that one NTC promoter after another tied AMBER Alert to NTC, that NTC promoters started .org domains using AMBER Alert’s name and positioning NTC as a charity (including appeals such as “Help us”) — and that both the Department of Justice AND the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, which administer AMBER Alert, denied any affiliation with NTC?

Do you not know that the sales pitches for NTC got so impossibly butchered that one rep issued an appeal to help AMBER Alert find repossessed cars?

Rick Hawkins: “Some people are just too smart to take a risk so they stay safe, secure, and broke.”

And some people are so concerned about not being broke that they start .orgs and tell people that joining Narc That Car is like giving money to a charity — while they’re trying to pocket commissions by leeching off the AMBER Alert program, a national treasure named after a 9-year-old girl who was riding her bicycle, abducted and brutally murdered.

Patrick

I’m certain that all people make blunders and errors and speak things that they’d like to retract. I KNOW you’ve done the same. So, that “ignorance” thing is a really big club Patrick. I respect your rights to free press and speech as well as my own. However, don’t throw gas on something that you purport and publish for your own self-exhalation. You profess to be a network marketing “hater” and thus make war on anyone or anything that is associated with your own personal interpretation and/or understandings. None of that changes the real facts and truth.

Let’s keep this simple. Here’s a quote I love that I’ll close with. It’s completely self explanatory:

“Some people are just too smart to take a risk so they stay safe, secure, and broke.”

Rick

Story on Narc That Car’s removal of AMBER Alert’s name from a video pitch:

http://patrickpretty.com/2010/02/16/narc-that-car-removes-reference-to-amber-alert-in-sales-video-after-justice-department-denied-link-to-mlm-program/

Patrick

Rick Hawkins: If a person makes a statement out of ignorance you haters love to rub it in their face and then make a 15 minute news production out of pure lies.

Rick,

Why are people who purport to provide Narc That Car “training” making statements out of ignorance?

Rick Hawkins: The problem with your article is that you don’t have your ducks in a row. Narc isn’t involved with the Secondary Amber Alert System, however rather the CODE AMBER NEWS SERVICE

I now see that Narc That Car has removed the reference to AMBER Alert in its video. I’ll do a story on that.

Do you know if the Justice Department or the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children asked Narc That Car to remove the AMBER Alert reference?

And do you know if Narc That Car is able to determine how much money it received as a result of its own reference to AMBER Alert and the repeated (and continuing) references by its promoters to AMBER Alert?

Did Narc That Car send an email to all members informing them that the AMBER Alert reference had been removed and instructing all members to stop using AMBER Alert’s name?

Rick Hawkins: I don’t doubt that there has been someone out there in the ranks of our team members that have mistakenly tied Narc to the wrong entity but that still doesn’t change the FACTS and it doesn’t excuse your article of balderdash.

Why would they not tie it to the wrong entity when Narc That Car itself was using AMBER Alert’s name?

This Blog contacted both the Justice Department and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children to determine if Narc That Car was affiliated with AMBER Alert. The answer was no.

Balderdash? Hardly.

Patrick

Thanks for the admission that you know nothing about the mathematics as to why the data from NTC is virtually worthless, or in the worst case, dangerous. Promoters of NTC rely on people not knowing the reality, much like you. They pitch something that seems plausible, but the underlying reality is different (exactly like ASD btw). You are spewing words with no meaning in your response, although you actually do touch on the central issue. You mention that the data changes over time, a “variable” in your terms. That’s precisely why the data ends up worthless! OK, so here goes…..YOUR child is abducted. By some incredibly long shot, the license plate of the getaway vehicle is noted, and somehow happens to be in the NTC database. Problem is, the car was spotted by a NarcThatCar Ponzi player 100 miles away from your home (and let’s just say by coincidence, 3 blocks from the home address of the owner of the car). Further, the car plate was entered 6 months ago into the NTC database. YOUR child’s life depends on the following answer. The authorities have limited resources, so YOU have to choose for them……search in the vicinity of the gas station, or search in the vicinity of the house 3 blocks away. Hope this helps clarify. The very real situation is that the NTC data can very well be very, very dangerous. I appreciate that you may not have the mathematical werewithal to understand the math, but it is real, and I hope that you at least understand the folley of NTC (but probably not). Even if you do not, hopefully at least others can think for themselves and avoid this illegal, and dangerous, pyramid scheme you are promoting.

Really anonymous: Entertained-I can only answer by scenerio, as I’m not a math major. I would think that a person obtaining a license plate that was registered with the Code Amber system, and tracked to a particular parking lot, would offer a greater trail than to not know where the vehicle was and would present no danger to the child-you don’t want to know where the abducter was? so, you can’t follow them? That is a “trail” and bounty hunters or law enforcement officials would consider that valuable information.anyway,I don’t want to plug this into an equation, because it is a variable and not a constant due changing values (i.e., future moves, etc.), and statistical data is imperative to analytical success, but that’s also why they have labs and field research because only plugging real-life scenarios into equations doesn’t bring about empirical data due to the very nature of our changing world. (look, I hurt my own head with that one) That being said, if I wanted to find a vehicle, and it left town, and someone found that license plate in another state, or city, and I could notify the collectors of that area that the vehicle was seen there on such-and-such a date, the odds of me finding it are significantly better than if I had NOTHING, and I don’t need to put that into an equation to figure it out-it’s common sense. They pay good money to get vehicles worth tens of thousands of dollars back, that alone would be a business. Look up crowdsourcing.  (Quote)