DATA NETWORK AFFILIATES: License-Plate Data A ‘Loss Leader’; Company Statements Will Prove To Be ‘More Than 100% Accurate’

Using language with which followers of the long-running AdSurfDaily Ponzi/pyramid-scheme saga will be familiar, Data Network Affiliates (DNA) has declared its license-plate data program a “loss leader.”

Meanwhile, the company declared it has “no competition” and that members will come to understand its advertising claims are true once it rolls out three-fourths of its program.

“NO ONE or NOTHING could even come close to where we are or where we are going,” the company said in an email laced with sentence fragments and fractured syntax. “When 75% of The D.N.A. Opportunity is fully released. You will know why this statement is more than 100% accurate.”

DNA, a multilevel-marketing (MLM) company, did not say how a statement could be more than 100 percent true. Nor did the company explain why members would not be able to determine it was telling a truth that exceeded 100 percent until 75 percent of the program was released.

At the same time, DNA said “it expects” to pay out more than “$100,000” in “PRO” commissions April 5, adding that the addition of “3rd party” affiliates made it “believe” commissions would “grow to over $1,000,000 (one million weekly).”

Although DNA previously said it has recruited tens of thousands of affiliates for its “free” program that asks members to write down license-plate numbers for entry in a database as a means of helping the “Amber Alert” program recover abducted children, the company now suggests its data may not be all that useful.

“Currently the #1 benefit for D.N.A. collecting such DATA is the small and hopeful chance that it may help save a child or prevent a crime,” the company said in the email.

In a previous email, DNA acknowledged it had erected barriers that made it more time-consuming for “free” members to enter information in the database. The barriers can be removed by paying the company a one-time fee of $97 and a monthly fee of $29.95 for the right to use what the firm describes as a “PRO” data-entry module.

The “PRO” module, DNA says, makes “DATA ENTRY simpler, easier, faster and less time consuming.”

DNA noted that it was selling other products for which it would pay commissions, including a “$35 to $50 bottle of NUTRITIONAL JUICES at a $10 price” and a “$35 to $50 bottle of LOTIONS & POTIONS at a $10 price.”

In a separate email, DNA said members who came into the company for free because of the license-plate program have nothing about which to complain.

“We receive over 50 e-mails a day saying why did you change from “FREE,'” DNA said. “FACT we have not changed anything from our original ‘FREE’ opportunity except to go from up to SIX LEVELS OF PAY ‘TO’ up to TEN LEVELS OF PAY.

“A person may still sign up as a FREE Affiliate and enter their TWENTY CAR TAGS,” DNA continued. “It will take 5 Minutes per Tag entered since advertising partners is our main source of income from DATA ENTRY. (PRO Affiliates create other sources of income so their per tag data entry time is only 30 to 60 seconds per car tag.[)]”

DNA encouraged members to “be positive.”

Details about how DNA has tied its free data-entry program to “advertising” partners are unclear. Also unclear is why the original group of thousands of members weren’t told when they were signing up for free — while perhaps relying on DNA’s assertion it could help the Amber Alert program — that the company intended to treat the data-entry program as a “loss leader” and make it harder, not easier, for free members to enter data.

Tens of thousands of free affiliates registered for DNA before the “PRO” data-entry module, which comes with an up-front cost of $126.95 and a monthly cost of $29.95 thereafter, was announced.

Using a largely all-caps presentation, DNA said the sky was the limit.

“D.N.A. is so much more than CAR TAG DATA,” the company said. “Many have said it but only one will do it. We will do in 3 to 5 years what took AMWAY 50 YEARS. Here is a partial list of current and future opportunities with D.N.A.

“LOCAL, NATIONAL & INTERNATIONAL ADVERTISING; GOLD FOR CASH; CELL PHONES FOR CASH; LAPTOPS FOR CASH; DIRECT TV; THE DISH NETWORK; SECURITY SYSTEMS; CREDIT REPAIR; DEBT REDUCTION; INTERNET SALES SYSTEMS; 1000’s OF DISCOUNT PRODUCTS; 1000’s OF DISCOUNT SERVICES; ONE STOP SHOPPING; HEALTH BENEFITS; DENTAL PLANS; LIFE INSURANCE; WHOLESALE AUTO BUYING; WHOLESALE TIRES; DISCOUNT DRUGS; TRAVEL and MUCH MORE…”

In the context of MLM, “loss leaders” can be dicey. In August 2008, federal prosecutors referenced AdSurfDaily’s use of the “loss leader” claim in a forfeiture complaint that seized more than $65.8 million from the bank accounts of ASD President Andy Bowdoin.

“In a further attempt to make Bowdoin’s business mode sound legitimate, [ASD attorney Robert] Garner describes ASD rebates as ‘function[ing] something like ‘loss leaders’ in that advertisers are presented [with] a way[ ] to earn their money back, plus a little more, in addition to having their ads viewed on the internet.

“[Undercover agents] have not found any other product or service that ASD sells, aside from new memberships, to cover the ‘losses’ it incurs by allowing its so-called ‘advertisers to ‘earn their money back, plus a little more.'”

DNA has not been accused of wrongdoing. Whether the company has sufficient revenue streams to defeat a pyramid challenge — if one emerges — is unclear. Also unclear is the number of affiliates who signed up for free and then opted for the “PRO” data-entry module.

What is clear is that DNA knows the famous Emma Lazarus sonnet, “The New Colossus,” which is mounted on the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty. The company has its own take on it:

“Give D.N.A. your MLM tired, your MLM poor, your MLM people who are sick and tired of being sick and tired, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore,” DNA said in its email to members. “Send all of these, all who could not make it where they were, the homeless, tempest-tossed to D.N.A. as we lift our golden opportunity for free to all.”

Another MLM company in the license-plate recording business — Narc That Car — is the subject of an inquiry by the Better Business Bureau in Dallas to substantiate advertising claims and determine if the company is using a pyramid model to pay members.

The BBB now notes that Narc That Car is using the name “Crowd Sourcing International” — or “CSI” for short.

Other names associated with Narc That Car include Narc Technologies Inc. and National Automotive Record Centre Inc.

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20 Responses to “DATA NETWORK AFFILIATES: License-Plate Data A ‘Loss Leader’; Company Statements Will Prove To Be ‘More Than 100% Accurate’”

  1. I guess the ploy to get the ‘freebies’ to pay didn’t work. LOL.

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  2. What I find disturbing is the reference to such companies as Directv, Dish Network and ADT. I wonder if they are aware that their logos and names are being used to promote a company suspected of being a PONZI?

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  3. Breaking News March 21, 2010

    PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS INCOME FROM JUST ON ONE OF THE D.N.A. PRODUCTS “B.B.P.”… This does not include any of the 100 other MONTHLY RESIDUAL & ONE TIME BONUSES…

    DO YOU HEAR THAT SOUND?

    It is the sound of all the other data entry programs affiliates running to� D.N.A… It is the sound of the so called competition putting their keys in the door for the last time… We apologize that is just the way the cookie crumbles…

    MAJOR BREAKING NEWS: PRO Affiliates just got a 500%; 800%; 10,000% & “OFF THE CHARTS” MASSIVE RAISE IN PAY…

    ALL INTERNATIONAL PRO AFFILIATES are EXCUSED FROM DATA ENTRY QUALIFICATION for the FIRST TWO COMMISSION RUNS…

    ATTENTION PROS… NOW EVEN A
    2×10 PAYS A PRO OVER $10,000…
    3×10 PAYS A PRO OVER $500,000…
    4×10; 5×10 are OFF THE CHARTS…
    10×10 FORGET ABOUT IT… IT IS UNIMAGINABLE…

    B.B.P. BIG COMMISSION CHANGE UP… BY MOVING THE $25 from the current personal purchase and adding $48 to the PRO DOWNLINE PAY… D.N.A. has JUST INCREASED PRO EARNING POTENTIAL BY 500%; 800%; 10,000% to “OFF THE CHARTS %”

    D.N.A. Also Added THREE MORE LEVELS OF BONUSES for PRO AFFILIATE LEVELS…

    EXAMPLES…

    OLD B.B.P. Commission Plan you + 10 + 100 = $275 in BBP Commisions

    NEW B.B.P. Commission Plan you + 10 + 100 = $2250 in BBP Commisions (800% INCREASE PAY OUT)

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    OLD PRO PAY:
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    $25 Personal Purchase (max pay $25)
    $25 on all B.B.P. Sales/Purchases on 1st level
    $2 on all B.B.P. Sales/Purchases 2nd to 7th level

    ++++++++++++
    NEW PRO PAY:
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    $25 on all B.B.P. Sales/Purchases on 1st level
    $20 on all B.B.P. Sales/Purchases on 2nd level (1000% Increase)
    $10 on all B.B.P. Sales/Purchases on 3rd level (500% Increase)
    $5 on all B.B.P. Sales/Purchases on 4th level (250% Increase)
    $2 on all B.B.P. Sales/Purchases 5th to 9th level (10,000% Increase)
    $10 on all B.B.P. Sales/Purchases 10th level (OFF THE CHART Increase)

    ++++++++++++++++++
    VERY CONSERVATIVE
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    … since on 04/05/2010 B.B.P. will be available via DNAconnects Website the B.B.P. will be made available to the public (non-affiliates). You will have people in your downline selling 2, 5, 10 B.B.P. Packages. There are no MAXIMUM INCOMES when RETAILING TO NON-AFFILIATES.

    UNLIKE THE DATA ENTRY ADVERTISING POOLS all of the above incomes of $2, $5, $10, $20 & $25 are locked in and not up to.

    D.N.A. – PRO Commission Calculations & Binary Roll Ups are Coming on March 26th 2010.

    THE DEADLINE: To qualify for PRO Affiliate for this 1st COMMISSION RUN will be 03/26/2010 which will pay on 04/05/2010.

    PRO Affiliate 5 B.B.P. Commission Runs for April 2010
    04/02/2010 pays on 04/12/2010
    04/09/2010 pays on 04/19/2010
    04/16/2010 pays on 04/26/2010
    04/23/2010 pays on 05/03/2010
    04/30/2010 pays on 05/10/2010

    Data Entry Commission Run on 04/01/2010 pays on 04/20/2010

    DUPLICATE – DON’T COMPLICATE:

    How do you go from Affiliate to PRO Affiliate? You make one B.B.P. (Business Benefits Package) purchase or non-affiliate sale.

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    “First Commission Run With Binary Roll Up”
    FIVE STEPS TO Data Network Affiliates SUCCESS

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    THERE IS NO PLACE ON THE PLANET EXCEPT WITH
    “DATA NETWORK AFFILIATES” WHERE YOU CAN…
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    * JOIN FOR FREE & RECEIVE TWO WEBSITES

    * WORK “SIX MINUTES A DAY” INPUTTING DATA

    * EARN $2 & EARN UP TO $2 SIX LEVELS OF INPUTTING

    * POSSIBLY EARN HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS

    * SIGN UP WITH D.N.A. FOR FREE TODAY

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    5 Simple Steps To MEGA D.N.A. Success
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    STEP ONE:
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    Sign Up For FREE: Takes TWO Minutes.

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    STEP TWO:
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    FOUR BIG REASONS TO Buy/Sell an OPTIONAL $29.95 monthly Business Benefits Package aka B.B.P. from DAY ONE:

    #1) B.B.P. has 10 to 50 times what it cost in value. You save $352.95 just on The Travel Agent Value Package. You receive 1000 REWARD DOLLARS with FREE Refills. It includes a FREE membership into The Network Marketing Magazine and it also saves you $197 on the PRICE RECRUITING System which will be available in 10 days. PLUS A WHOLE LOT MORE COMING…

    #2) B.B.P. allows you to do in 30 seconds what takes 5 to 6 minutes to do when inputting data into your back office. Plus instead of being limited to up to 5 a day with B.B.P. you can input all 20 at the same time.

    #3) B.B.P. “LOCKS IN YOUR BINARY POSITION and PREVENTS BINARY ROLL UP”… All PRO Affiliates at the end of each pay period will roll up to the next active PRO Affiliate passing up any one who is not a PRO Affiliate in their BINARY upline. Even their original sponsor (ONLY IN THE BINARY). Of course the original sponsor still may qualify for the 100% BINARY MATCH and will always have such person in their UNI-LEVEL. However even the original sponsor would lose BINARY POINTS unless they are at The PRO Affiliate Level.

    #4) A major reason besides saving money and saving time. Is the fact that if you sell/purchase a B.B.P. as a PRO Affiliate your commission structure is 100% to 400% higher than an Affiliate.

    Examples:

    $25 on all 1st level; $20 2nd level; $10 3rd level; $5 4th level; $2 on 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th & 9th level and a whopping $10 on TENTH LEVEL B.B.P. Sales/Purchases instead of “ZERO”;

    PLUS you earn 20% instead of 10% commissions on most DNAconnects personal sales and purchases including the CASH FOR GOLD and CASH FOR OLD CELL Phone Programs;

    PLUS you earn 2% per level instead of 1/2% per level up to 6 levels on most DNAconnects sales;

    PLUS you earn 2% on the 7th level vs 0% on the 7th level on most DNAconnects sales…

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    STEP THREE:
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    Enter your 20 car tags

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    STEP FOUR:
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    Sponsor 2 to 10 People to do the same (you just earned up to $250 in $25 B.B.P. Bonuses and when you do reach 10 active PRO Affiliates your $29.95 monthly cost is waived).

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    STEP FIVE:
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    When available on 04/05/2010 send your DNAconnects site to everyone you know. Have business cards and flyers with your DNAconnects site printed on such.

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    THE FIRST PRO Affiliate COMMISSION RUN & BINARY ROLL UP TAKES PLACE ON FRIDAY 03/26/2010 and PAYS OUT 10 Days Later on MONDAY 04/05/2010… THEREAFTER PRO Affiliate COMMISSION RUNS & BINARY ROLL UPS TAKES PLACE WEEKLY…

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    GO FOR PRO TODAY… AFTER THE FIRST COMMISSION RUN THE BINARY ROLL UP IS PERMANENT and CAN NOT BE REVERSED. NO EXCEPTIONS. THIS WILL REPEAT ON A WEEKLY BASIS.

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    IF YOU ARE HAVING ANY TECHNICAL PROBLEMS WITH PURCHASING THE Business Builders Program please e-mail dna.support.dna@gmail.com put B.B.P. in the SUBJECT LINE with your TEL # and best time to call you…

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  4. I have been approched to join on with Crowd Sourcing Intenational.

    Should i hold off?

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  5. Steve,

    Ask the person who is trying to recruiot you these two questions. 1) Where does the money come from to pay you back (or anyone else back). 2) What is the intrinsic value of the data being collected. In each case, ask for proof. In posts here and on scam.com the promoters of NarcThatCar, now known as Crowd Source International, have failed to answer either question with verifiable information. Failure on question #1 means that NTC/CSI is an illegal Ponzi scheme, where new money (like potentially yours) is used to pay for older members (like the person recruiting you). Without a significant eternal source of income, this is not legal. It has been asserted (and to my math-oriented brain proven beyond doubt) that the NTC/CSI database is near-worthless, and may even have a negative value or a dangerous component. Again, look for proof that the data on the license plate locations is valuable. Proof would be in the form of VERIFIED large customers for the data. So far, promoters have lied about this citing that “a major auto finance company is a major investor and/or a major customer” but of course with no proof. They also do not name the “customer” since then people could check on the claim. They have also claimed that they are linked to the Amber Alert organization, which has been refuted by Amber Alert itself. Finally, note that the Dallas Better Business Bureau has granted NTC/CSI an “F” rating. Beware, people are trying to steal your money in this scam (yes I have an opinion, based on data. Ask for your own proof…..but insist on verifiable data, not the word of someone who benefits from your signing up — ie your recruiter)

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  6. Steve…….and everyone else.

    Yes…check it all out. What I have found is that DNA (And..NTC?CSI is much worse…REQUIRING FUNDS up front) …but DNA never returns emails or questions and longer.

    My red flags:

    1. NO phone to call (Any legit business would have phones and people answering them)

    2. No address to visit them if we desired. Yes, they have said it is coming, but where are these guys?

    3. Two HUGE red flags. We have all been ripped off before.
    4. Why would we join a company without “normal” business practices.
    5. I had to learn the hard way to NEVER, NEVER join a business from the hype and greed as well as the push that you need to join or upgrade NOW!

    Do not upgrade in DNA or purchase anything from NARC/CSI!

    Let them show us they will succeed or drop them.

    Cheers for our success in reliable programs

    PS Steve or anyone wanting something legit. I do work two free programs that make great money and have been around for awhile with phones addresses, etc. (Ie..Yes, a real business)

    They give you a free web-site and products…yes products (wow..something new huh?..A business that actually has true products?? Yes, and theses products are those that everyone needs right now…I have used several myself!) Keith [Email address gently deleted by Admin]

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  7. Disappointed to see that Troy Dooley of MLMHelp Desk has pulled DNA from his scam alert section.

    http://www.mlmhelpdesk.com/2010/04/09/data-network-affiliate-moved-out-of-scam-alerts-by-mlm-help-desk/

    Patrick, isn’t this kind of like “unringing the bell” as you say?

    DNA created a sham operation based on fast buck, ponzi principles to build a massive Pied Piper List of zombie followers and is now jamming a pseudo product down those distribution channels.

    Is that similar to making money selling cocaine and then using the money to open a grocery store and claiming “Hey, I’m legit”?

    Just wondering………

    ARWR

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  8. Hi ARWR,

    To me, DNA only has gotten odder. It started by saying in a conference call that 100 million license plates entered into the DNA database could become “the equivalent of just about $1 billion” in potential revenue for DNA.

    Now, it is playing down the license-plate recording biz and playing up cellular phones.

    After all of the marketing with the AMBER Alert name, DNA now says its database — on some date uncertain — may provide a “small” chance of locating a missing child or solving a crime.

    DNA also is sticking it to Narc in its promotions, saying Narc loves the Repo man and DNA does not. DNA says it isn’t selling to the Repo man, and the real purpose of the DNA database is to benefit society.

    One need not look beyond DNA and Narc to see why MLM has so many opponents and a big section of the public believes the Internet is one giant scam.

    From DNA:

    “DNA Affiliates STAY ALERT – They are watching out for their neighbors children. If DNA has 1 million affiliates that is 1,000,000 more people watching out for and caring about children world-wide.

    “Other companies may collect data to sell to REPO COMPANIES to take cars away from many people who are just down on their luck. A single mom, a dad out of work or 100 other good reasons why good people just can not make a payment. One DNA Affiliate just had his car repossessed because he owed 3 payments and offer to pay two of them and they said no and picked up his car.

    “DNA will have no part in such cases. At DNA we collect car data for one purpose and that purpose is that there is a small chance that this data in the right hands could help save a child or help prevent or solve a crime.

    “We do not boast of 6 figure contracts with REPO COMPANIES. At the end of the day a DNA Affiliate knows that what they are trying to do will only be a FORCE FOR GOOD in their community…”

    Also from DNA:

    “D.N.A. CELLULAR + DNA GLOBAL CELL = BILLIONS”

    Just a few weeks ago it was talking about the billions in data collection — and the $1 billion that could come from 100 million license plates.

    Patrick

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  9. A Random Walk Rant: Disappointed to see that Troy Dooley of MLMHelp Desk has pulled DNA from his scam alert section.http://www.mlmhelpdesk.com/2010/04/09/data-network-affiliate-moved-out-of-scam-alerts-by-mlm-help-desk/Patrick, isn’t this kind of like “unringing the bell” as you say?DNA created a sham operation based on fast buck, ponzi principles to build a massive Pied Piper List of zombie followers and is now jamming a pseudo product down those distribution channels.Is that similar to making money selling cocaine and then using the money to open a grocery store and claiming “Hey, I’m legit”?Just wondering………ARWR  

    Not surprising. I’m sure you saw on scam where he did the same back and forth with one of the alleged mlm phone scams. My theory is he’ll post whatever he may or may not be paid to post. There certainly is a pattern.

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  10. admin: Hi ARWR,To me, DNA only has gotten odder. It started by saying in a conference call that 100 million license plates entered into the DNA database could become “the equivalent of just about $1 billion” in potential revenue for DNA.Now, it is playing down the license-plate recording biz and playing up cellular phones.After all of the marketing with the AMBER Alert name, DNA now says its database — on some date uncertain — may provide a “small” chance of locating a missing child or solving a crime.DNA also is sticking it to Narc in its promotions, saying Narc loves the Repo man and DNA does not. DNA says it isn’t selling to the Repo man, and the real purpose of the DNA database is to benefit society.One need not look beyond DNA and Narc to see why MLM has so many opponents and a big section of the public believes the Internet is one giant scam.From DNA:“DNA Affiliates STAY ALERT – They are watching out for their neighbors children. If DNA has 1 million affiliates that is 1,000,000 more people watching out for and caring about children world-wide.“Other companies may collect data to sell to REPO COMPANIES to take cars away from many people who are just down on their luck. A single mom, a dad out of work or 100 other good reasons why good people just can not make a payment. One DNA Affiliate just had his car repossessed because he owed 3 payments and offer to pay two of them and they said no and picked up his car.“DNA will have no part in such cases. At DNA we collect car data for one purpose and that purpose is that there is a small chance that this data in the right hands could help save a child or help prevent or solve a crime.“We do not boast of 6 figure contracts with REPO COMPANIES. At the end of the day a DNA Affiliate knows that what they are trying to do will only be a FORCE FOR GOOD in their community…”Also from DNA:“D.N.A. CELLULAR + DNA GLOBAL CELL = BILLIONS”Just a few weeks ago it was talking about the billions in data collection — and the $1 billion that could come from 100 million license plates.Patrick  

    Hi Patrick…what’s also funny is that DNA is actually giving narc,thatponzi legitimacy with this ridiculous campaign where none exists for either of them to begin with. The false repo story is hilarious.

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  11. Whip and Patrick:

    Thanks for the comments/feedback.

    Question: Has anyone looked at the actual cell phone product/service for validity/value? Or, perhaps, is it another smoke and mirrors show like GlobalVerge did with their “cutting edge” cell phone?

    It just pains me to see people get sucked into programs and products that have no value, just the biz op. Hopefully the Super Sleuths that populate the educated Patrick Pretty Blog can identify the sure to be there holes in the DNA product offering.

    And, I am guessing that soon enough the rocket scientists at DNA will find a way to “encourage” a monthly fee from participants, they won’t be able to sustain a model based just on sales of cell phone products, air time and peripherals.

    ARWR

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  12. Well I’m still on the unemployable hobo spam list and ol’ Mark is starting to push the DNA phone plan. Mark is nothing if not consistent, from ASD to GlobalVerge there seems to be few “get rich quick” deals too unsustainable or legally questionable to keep him from promoting it. Anyway I guess the full sales pitch wont be public until April 14 but for now they are saying:

    —“DNA IS THE FUTURE OF THE CELL PHONE INDUSTRY

    As a DNA Affiliate you will earn income buy selling service plans, cell phones, and accessories through your own DNA Cellular Web site. Introducing UNLIMITED talk and text for ONLY $10 per month.
    NO CONTRACT – NO CREDIT CHECK!”—

    I don’t think they’re even claiming to get you a dial tone for ten bucks a month so I assume they’re selling you some sort of add on subscription to your current cell service. I’ll wait for full details before venturing an opinion, but I feel very little cause for optimism so far.

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  13. There’s a little more info here:
    http://www.work-at-home-business.com/blog/dna-future-of-cell-phone-industry/

    No details as to who the network provider is or what make & model the “free” phone is.

    DNA has expanded from car tag entry to cell phones and this is just the beginning.

    Yes, car number plates to mobile phones is such a logical step. I wonder what Phil-The-Crime-Wave will be pushing next?

    I believe the mobile phone market in most developed countries is saturated with little scope for expansion. Any new product is unlikely to “make history”.

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  14. Tony:

    Yep, I seriously doubt that a new paradigm shift in cell phone products or services would introduced out through a second rate multi-level company whose initial growth and pitch was a mathematically challenged compensation plan.

    Further, the initial massive growth stage was fueled by thousands of people being fed the same B.S. that they could make money doing nothing and convincing others the same (Sorry DNA supporters, driving around spying on your neighbors, at best, is “doing nothing”).

    So, the business model morph to one where the general membership has to actually WORK, learn marketing techniques, split testing, SEO, PPC, etc. means that the “make money doing nothing” crowd will be extremely disappointed.

    But, prediction ==> the hypesters behind DNA will probably come up with something that does two things:

    (1) Creates another mirage of being able to make money doing nothing and;

    (2) Will “encourage” entice them to pay $5 – $15 /month. (They can’t go back to $29/month because they’ve already been there, LOL)

    Let’s see how accurate my crystal ball is. I’ve been known to be wrong before (ask my ex-wife, hahahaha), but, I’m guessing some variation of these things will occur within a month.

    Stay Tuned. LOL

    ARWR

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  15. DNA is makes a fraudulent representation to its affiliates–both free and “pro.” I upgraded to “Pro” introduced the data entry program to several folks who all took the program seriously and entered hundreds of plate numbers. I entered nearly 1600 myself last month–my pay? $2.00!!!! In spite of the fact that we were told we’d be paid $2.00 for every 20 entered—fraud all around. Hype all around. Go elsewhere; these folks are outright frauds!

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  16. yea, I joined, and got screwed. I paid the pro pkg and got nothing. Had 19 people in my downline at dna. So I was supposed to make some money. Got only 2.00.

    So I [deleted by admin] them over. My downline was 19 and I told them all what happened and we happily have been putting in fake license plate numbers for the past 6 weeks. Most of my downline got sick of it and quit. But I wrote a blog http://bloginthefogforgreen.blogspot.com/ and over 427 members of dna got in touch with me and I told them what I was doing, and many many people started doing the same thing, the license plate numbers they are putting in are false, DNA is [deleted by admin] they will never be able to sell the info, they are a fraud and they have fraudulent info to prove it.

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  17. High Priestess,

    Sorry to break the news to you. In no way, shape, or form did you screw over the DNA people — they screwed you. With all due respect, there never, ever, ever was, nor will there ever be, significant paying customers for the data. Even if the data were flawlessly entered by you and your fellow victims, the “flawless” data is still virtually worthless, and in many instances has a negative value (or actually endangers abducted children). For example, lets say your child was kidnapped. Given that police resources are limited, would you want them searching near a McDonald’s fifty miles away from the home address of the owner of the license plate that was spotted on the car of your child’s abductor? No, you’d rather have them search around the home address. You can’t choose both (limited resources, remember). Take it as alesson learned. You fell for a scam — if it sounds too good to be true, it is. The people who run these scams are pros — they pull in a lot of people to “programs” that “sound” enticing. They are never real, not ever, not even once…. Poor scammers go hungry. Always look under the hood. DNA was a pretty obvious scam to people who have seen these things before.

    hipriestess4u: yea, I joined, and got screwed. I paid the pro pkg and got nothing. Had 19 people in my downline at dna. So I was supposed to make some money. Got only 2.00. So I [deleted by admin] them over. My downline was 19 and I told them all what happened and we happily have been putting in fake license plate numbers for the past 6 weeks. Most of my downline got sick of it and quit. But I wrote a blog http://bloginthefogforgreen.blogspot.com/ and over 427 members of dna got in touch with me and I told them what I was doing, and many many people started doing the same thing, the license plate numbers they are putting in are false, DNA is [deleted by admin] they will never be able to sell the info, they are a fraud and they have fraudulent info to prove it.  (Quote)

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  18. Ada,

    This thin was a fraud before it began. It is a pretty straightforward pyramid scheme, and unfortunately you fell for it. Sad to say, but no one, not ever, will ever pay you $2 to enter a license plate number. Why would they? Their story, which does not hold up under even the lightest scrutiny, is full of logical holes. The license plate data is fundamentally near-worthless. Thus, the simple question of “who is paying for the plate data” can never be answered. The real answer is no one, because no real company is stupid enough to pay DNA (or NTC for that matter) for the data. Furthermore, DNA has never, not even once, identified a verifiable customer. Neither has NTC. The proponents will rip on the people who are eposing these scams, but they never ever refute the scam argument by identifying one customer. Thus, the only cash coming into DNA comes from the new recruits and the ongoing fees. In other words, this whole structure is a money shuffle and benefits the early entrants.

    You should actually be grateful that you never received you payments from DNA. I believe that you are an honest person, and that you would not enjoy the guilt that would come from knowing that you have in effect, stolen money from the later members. Make no mistake, this is an illegal pyramid scheme, and if you come out ahead, it is because you have benefitted (illegally) from other’s losses. No honest person wants to make money that way…….

    Ada Wildberger: DNA is makes a fraudulent representation to its affiliates–both free and “pro.” I upgraded to “Pro” introduced the data entry program to several folks who all took the program seriously and entered hundreds of plate numbers. I entered nearly 1600 myself last month–my pay? $2.00!!!! In spite of the fact that we were told we’d be paid $2.00 for every 20 entered—fraud all around. Hype all around. Go elsewhere; these folks are outright frauds!  (Quote)

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  19. Quick note:

    Readers who come across the story and comments in this thread might also be interested in this essay:

    http://patrickpretty.com/2010/05/12/essay-why-narc-that-car-has-a-duty-to-reveal-the-names-of-its-database-clients-and-police-departments-whose-members-may-be-narc-consultants-2/

    Patrick

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  20. Entertained, responding to hipriestess4u: Even if the data were flawlessly entered by you and your fellow victims, the “flawless” data is still virtually worthless, and in many instances has a negative value (or actually endangers abducted children).

    Hi Entertained,

    As you pointed out long ago, abducted children actually could be placed in even more danger by these programs.

    The advertised ties to AMBER Alert and law enforcement in general are particularly reprehensible. If anything, DNA is even worse than Narc for hatching its own version of this scheme simply because it was “working” for Narc.

    Personally, I believe it is one of the most callous frauds ever pulled while at once being one of the most amateur. Various missives from DNA should be cataloged and studied by both law enforcement and business schools — and also introduced in high-school lectures.

    DNA’s emails are the most absurd I have ever read. It would have been a lot quicker for DNA simply to take out an ad in the New York Times that said the company was running a scam and a few scams within the scam.

    The incongruities almost defy description: A Grand Cayman domain conducting customer service with a free gmail address and purporting that it had solutions to aid U.S. law enforcement — while at once suggesting it had the cure for the poor job the AMBER Alert program was doing rescuing abducted children.

    It got crazier yet when one of the cheerleaders-in-chief told folks to get plate numbers at churches and in the parking lots of doctors’ offices and to look unassuming if members were recording plate numbers at Walmart.

    Of course, the cheerleaders also tried to say that Oprah and Trump approved of the DNA program. Shortly thereafter DNA turned its attention to conquering the cell-phone business.

    One day, DNA was not even in the cell-phone business, which is capitalized with billions of dollars by real companies that spend real money on human assets, customer acquisition, R&D, equipment, infrastructure, network logistics, marketing, public relations, etc.

    Overnight, DNA entered the cell-phone business and declared “GAME OVER — WE WIN,” that it was the new big dog. This posed what you might classify an irresolvable conundrum: Could a “GAME OVER” declaration by a company using a Caymans domain, free gmail and ALL KINDS OF MISSIVES FROM A RIDICULOUS HUCKSTER BEHIND A GREEN CURTAIN ever hope to do anything more absurd?

    The world did not have to wait long for the answer, which was revealed when DNA announced that its “GAME OVER” declaration was premature, given the fact it actually decided to study the cell-phone business AFTER it announced its $10-a-month-plan for unlimited service and decided it had been snookered into believing that undercutting Walmart’s unlimited pricing by 450 percent was possible.

    Worry not, though: DNA now has the “DNA Sleep System at 50% off for $995,” the company says.

    “This sleep system has 400% Deeper Penetration than it’s predecessor with new ‘Three Dimensional Magnetic Fields’ The First of Its Kind with Patented Technology!” DNA says.

    “The D.N.A. OUTFRONT Magnetic Sleep System is 400% more powerful than anything currently in the marketplace. Out of everything under the D.N.A. Opportunity this is one of the most exciting and more profitable items which will be listed with DNA CONNECTS.”

    Me? I think average students in high school would howl at the absurdity of it all and then perhaps want to projectile vomit after their laughing eventually gave way to the depressing and inescapable fact that adults who purported to be professional business people were pushing this scheme.

    Patrick

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