And The Ponzis Will Die As One . . .
Dear Readers,
Two days ago we received a note from a woman who identified herself as a member of AdViewGlobal (AVG). The note was intended for publication, but we declined to publish it.
The woman described herself as angry about developments at the surf. We would have published the note, except for one thing: The woman included two URLs, along with an appeal for readers to click on PTCÂ ads on her website.
So, in one breath, she was condemning AVG. In the next, she was encouraging people to engage in click fraud so she could earn a fee. There was virtually no editorial content on the site.
Bids to commit click fraud were an element of the ASD case, of course. Despite all that has happened, some people continue to show annoyance that their favorite surf or surfs aren’t paying, and yet try to line their own pockets with fraudulent fees.
Reduced screen shot of pitch last year for ASD members to commit click fraud.
It’s hard to imagine that anyone actually joined AVG, given the events at ASD. But it’s even harder to imagine that a person bitter about suspended AVG payouts then would arrive at the conclusion that she could make up for lost money by taking money out of the pockets of PTC advertisers.
And, speaking of the word “imagine,” we offer this — with our apologies to the late John Lennon.
Imagine there’s no Surfing
It’s easy if you try
No Ponzi below you
Nothing above you to deny
Imagine all the Surfers
Saying no to pay to play
Imagine there’s no Cashouts
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to shill or ply for
And no soiled commissions too
Imagine all the Surfers
Saying no to clicking for a fee
You may say that he’s a schemer
But he’s not the only one
He hopes someday you’ll join him
And the Ponzis will be as one
Imagine no rebate schemes
I wonder if you can
No appeals to greed or hunger
A brotherhood of anti-scam
Imagine all the Surfers
Respecting the nobility of the working man
You may say that he’s a schemer
But he’s not the only one
He knows now you won’t join him
And the Ponzis will die as one
Patrick:
“If Only.”
It’s hard to imagine anyone joining AVG after ASD if you assume that they are generally law abiding, have the intelligence greater than a slug, and have a bit of moral fibre.
Those who did join and invest must have known exactly what they were dealing with and either were to think to realise it was an obvious ponzi scheme, or simply did not care.
For some people, it is all about the money. Getting money for nothing and chicks for free. Sadly there are those who are happy to profit from this system – ponzi friendly payment processors, web hosts, promoters etc. It looks like the future is looking gradually harder for these people. I read recently that the Secret Service has set up an operation/office to further cooperation with the IRS, FBI and other services.
http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/single.php?id=8338
Going off topic, Patrick you have commented on how print media is changing, so you may be interested in this story:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2009/08/charging_for_online_news.html
Yoko should kick your ass for John. At least make the words fit the melody. Hey wait a minute isn’t this plagiarism? She could sue you but then she would know that only a few PP heads would see it so no matter. I don’t know her but I know someone who does, maybe I should tell them to tell her. Just think, you could have more fame than you’ll ever be likely to get if she even bothers to look. I doubt she would because your not really anyone and it would be the equivalent to picking on a garage band.
‘joe,’ plagiarism? You’ve got to be kidding. I suggest you look it up before showing your ignorance. Opps, too late. But I love the name dropping. Hope you didn’t think that would impress us. Tell your friend who knows Yoko to tell her I said “Hi!” Also ask her when she is coming back for a visit. See, I can play that game too.
Fair use
what a concept
Still an idiot I see. How would me knowing someone who knows Yoko be so impressive? I wasn’t even thinking of it that way. I love this part “Tell your friend who knows Yoko to tell her I said “Hi!â€Also ask her when she is coming back for a visit.See, I can play that game too.” What a great comeback, did you think of that yourself? I told you I didn’t know her jackass.
well you obviously don’t know anything about music copyright, thats clearly based on Imagine in fact he even used the title so before you show your ignorance “oops too late” see I can play that game too.
You’re also showing some idiocy by even taking all of that serious, I was joking as anyone should have been able to tell. Even if I knew Yoko do you actually think I would embarrass myself by pointing it out to her? If it was used to make money she would see it on her own but it’s so petty on this little blog and out of context, it doesn’t matter. By the way, if it were used to make money would it then be counted as plagiarism? Oh yeah.
Still an idiot I see. How would me knowing someone who knows Yoko be so impressive?
It’s not in the least but you felt it was or you wouldn’t have made it up. Your need to make believe you are somehow in the know is adorable. School will be starting soon….perhaps your teachers will appreciate it.
First you think I’m still in school which means I’m a kid and then you use the word adorable about me, is there something about you we should know? Yeah and with a name like WHIP no less.
“joe” reading comprehension is also not one of your abilities. In fact I am still waiting to see one of your abilities. I did not say “YOU” knew Yoko, so go back and read what I said slowly and maybe you will finally get it; but then I doubt it.
There is a major difference between plagiarism and music copyright, so as suggested go back and read the definition of plagiarism again and you just might learn the difference; but again I seriously doubt it. By the way, since Patrick gave credit to John, it is not even music copyright infringement. Now if he had made a music video, it might be a totally different situation. You really are slow aren’t you. Next time put your brain in gear before your mouth in motion.
CORRECTION: Tell you what. Since you do not believe any of us here that AVG is a Ponzi and illegal, here’s one sure fire way to find out.
Go to your bank and tell them you want to take out a small business loan. Doesn’t have to be a huge sum, as you only want to expand your business. You do have a business besides AVG don’t you? For if you don’t this won’t work. They will give you the forms to fill out. They will want a business plan, including your marketing strategies, and your financial statements to show you can repay the loan.
In this business plan, you tell them about AVG’s great marketing program of how you can advertise your business on AVG; and you will have two sources of revenue streams. One from all that increased business you will receive from AVG’s superior advertising results (37% conversion ratio unless your ad sucks), and they will pay you back 25% more than you spent advertising; thus it is a double win-win for you and the bank. You might have to explain why AVG is not paying anyone right now, and all their internal problems of keeping a staff, stealing of money, mods taking advantage of the “button,” all those little minor details; but I’m sure the bank will understand as all businesses have these problems when they start-up. You might also throw in how this is the same as the stock market and the winners and losers thing you believe. I’m sure the loan officer will agree with you on these points.
Now after doing all this, come back and tell everyone what the bank said. After all this should be an instant loan once they see the brilliance of AVG. Good luck.
Poor Joe,
He can’t play with the big boys and gets his arse handed to him every time.
Ignore the troll, maybe he’ll go away.
I can’t wait to hear what the bank says about the loan. ha ha What a tool!
Not nearly as slow as you dipshit. since were talking about John Lennon, George was found guilty of plagiarism when he did My sweet Lord so Music copyright and plagiarism is the same thing slow boy. Now you go back and read REAL slow, it doesn’t matter if you said I personally knew her you accused me of name dropping idiot……But I love the name dropping. Hope you didn’t think that would impress us. I can play that game too.
Or you can use Adventures4U for your back up. That ones paying awesome. Actually I wouldn’t need a loan, I can use the money from that to do what I need. You don’t hear too much talk on here about them do you. You can’t because you would look to stupid. oh and by the way the continual reference to Donna’s offhand “if it doesn’t suck comment” shows just how weak you really are. I’m not even sticking up for her anymore because of what I know but I do know her and that was just an offhand humorous remark or an attempt at humor but either way so insignificant that it’s just real chickes88t to keep using it..
Actually copyright infringement is the word I meant to use when I made my original joke about plagiarism concerning the Imagine takeoff. so ok if you want to take an accidental word misusage and beat it to death because thats all you’ve got then go ahead, it’s kinda like the constant reuse of “if it doesn’t suck” but then thats the kind of whimps you are. By the way, this doesn’t have any effect on you being an idiot. Remember, I have credibility now because Pat Dunn said so.
Well I started thinking about this a googled plagiarism george harrison and here it is…This case found the late George Harrison liable for copyright infringement; given Harrison’s popularity as one of the Beatles, it is probably the most commonly known music plagiarism dispute. The court’s tone is almost apologetic in determining that Harrison’s use of the melodic kernels of plaintiff’s universally popular number, in the same order and repetitive sequence and set to “identical harmonies,” compelled it to conclude that Harrison unconsciously misappropriated the musical essence of “He’s So Fine.” Music Plagiarism so I wasn’t wrong copyright infringement might be the legal term though but so is music plagiarism
Here, just a little more for you……..Musical plagiarism – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Music plagiarism is the use or close imitation of another author’s music while … Plagiarism in music now occurs in two contexts – with a musical idea …and from Lindyboy “There is a major difference between plagiarism and music copyright, so as suggested go back and read the definition of plagiarism again and you just might learn the difference; but again I seriously doubt it.” Oh my goodness! Do we need to fly in a team of specialists to surgically remove the foot from your mouth?
Patrick,
Is there any way I can quote everything said so I can make some senseless point like Corruption and Joe poorly attempt to do? I lost concentration after the 4th or 5th quote.
(Famous name dropped here, for effect)
Yo!
Joe Einstein:
Adventures4You will be going down, too.
Why? Because of the simple math (Unless the Feds get to them first!)
You need to be worried, too, because not only will the math collapse it, but, those of you who are earning from the losses of others can quite possibly be sued criminally and civilly and be subject to clawback provisions when (if) the trustees take over (assuming there is any money left.
http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=788965&postcount=98
Consider yourself warned although I doubt you’ll heed it.
ARWR
Or you can use Adventures4U for your back up. That ones paying awesome. Actually I wouldn’t need a loan, I can use the money from that to do what I need. You don’t hear too much talk on here about them do you. You can’t because you would look to stupid. oh and by the way the continual reference to Donna’s offhand “if it doesn’t suck comment†shows just how weak you really are. I’m not even sticking up for her anymore because of what I know but I do know her and that was just an offhand humorous remark or an attempt at humor but either way so insignificant that it’s just real chickes88t to keep using it..
What big boys? I’ve never gotten it handed to me in fact I usually end up being right but another arse kisser like would never admit that. Get off your knees and go have a beer boy.
Well that article was interesting but Madoff was in the US, big difference. ADV is here to stay baby amd we’re making bank. I heard some figure about the last 84% will lose and I would love to know where these formulas come from. You put money in ADV you make the % as everyone else immediately. I’ve heard all kind of BS formulas on here and they don’t work. Also Madoff did it for years and for one hell of a lot more money. He was clearly ripping everyone off, even the first people in so there goes any theory. ADV is also bringing in outside money with the Gold site and the texting site which i haven’t looked at yet so I don’t really know how it works but you can find out by going to http://ad-venttures4u.com it’s the first ad that comes up but you probably know that because a lot of you are probably members already. when those make money it’s going in to ADV then I guess that will make everyone happy but then again probably not because then you be able to bad mouth it as easy.
Hey joe;
Lest I your comment be misunderstood as me being a fan of yours, let me put this remark in context. I said to you:
“It’s time for me to acknowledge that you do, indeed, have some credibility here. And it comes about because of a knowledgeable observer and commentator like Entertained, no less.
Why do I say that? On the Eagle Research Associates website Entertained has an article titled, “Mathematical Analysis of AVG: Payouts and Membership – The Painful Result†Your new-found credibility (with me, anyway) comes from this statement in his article: “Thanks again to ‘joe’ for his insights and detailed information on the workings of AVG. Without his information, this modeling would not be possible.â€
Wow, joe, that’s amazing! So, I must now say that while your self-declared lack of integrity remains an issue, your credibility has now been established.â€
Source: https://patrickpretty.com/2009/08/05/adviewglobal-says-it-filed-state-federal-complaints-about-27-million-theft-surf-wants-new-cfo-compliance-officer-department-managers/
I wonder if I can sue the smooth operator I handed over
$2000 in cash to…. only to see the daily returns
dropping day by day right after…. an expert
they are too…. you gotta get the incentives whilst
you can, buy now, here’s the cipie doll, I can get you
in quick, never mind ewallet, just pay me in cash.Boy,
was I a sucker.
Just biding my time.
Sucker
Our sincerest condolences and sympathy on your loss.
…the answer is yes, you CAN sue your upline….and their upline, and their upline….probably not worth it for $2000 though..
joe,
You know where the information is located — Eagle Research Associates site.
There you go again, questioning/condemning the math behind AVG as I have posted. Recall however that that math is based on your input. As such, you should be well-positioned to articulated lucidly the flaws in the analysis. As usual, you have not done so. Instead, you merely say that it is BS. C’mon joe, usually you’re better than that. Break it down, tell me where I am wrong. I posted logic, fact, and math. You posted “BS”. Step up to the plate!!
Oh, and btw, the VERY BEST case is that the last 84% into AVG will lose. Likely to be higher…..
I have not analyzed your latest Ponzi (ADV), but if you care to post the payout process, we can debunk that scam together as well.
Oh don’t worry, I know you’re not a fan but you did find out that I do tell it the way it is regarding AVGA. That being said you also can see i’m not always too complimentary about it when speaking of people like the harris’s and lately, Donna. Actually you would agree with the reason Donna left but the fact also remains you don’t bail and leave work undone while nabbing $90,000
Ok ADV is simple. You put in whatever you put in and it pays 200%. Put in $1000 take out $2000. Since December it has paid 14% a week. There IS no way for you to debunk it because it is paying that to everyone period, no matter when you come in. when you have your 2000 your done. if you want to stay in then you take 50% of your earnings and your ventures which is the same as page impressions, stays the same. If you take anything over 50% then your ventures dwindle. to tell the truth I don’t know the rate they decline because I havn’t taken more than that but you can go to the site and it will tell you how it works. Hey, when you sign up do it under me huh? You know what, I would love to know the number PP supporters who are in there and i know there are some. The money is great and no one but no one is losing anything. In other words if these people want to sit and bash then I have to believe they have done their research other wise they are full of sh”t. If you have researched then they can see it’s a great way to make money and have probably joined.
On a side note, I always check Alexa ratings for different things and I couldn’t help being curious about where your hero stood. OUCH, even worse than last month. Remember my analogy involving a whale and a pimple located somewhere back by that big ole tail of his? Seems pretty fitting.
“It’s Paying So It Must Be Real” – yep, got that. That’s a corner square for me.
“Due-diligence By Reading The Ponzi Site” – no, I haven’t got that one.
“All My Downline Are In This” – no, I haven’t got that one either.
“The Naysayers Are Really Investors” – crap, not got that one either.
“Its Paying So It Must Be Real” – already got that one.
“Do Your Due-diligence And You Will See It’s Real” – yes, got that but it’s no help at the moment.
“Distraction By Mentioning Web Site Ratings” – that was on my old Ponzi Buzzword Bingo card, not the new one.
By the way joe, are you by any chance in the up/downline of TeamAaronShara? I know they have been promoting AdVentures – much the same way they promoted ASD and many, many other obvious ponzi schemes.
No? well I’ll explain again, he wanted to know about the pay plan if only for debunking purposes so it’s the best most accurate place for it. got it yet” If you need it maybe we do it with pictures.
“It’s Paying So It Must Be Real†– yep, got that. That’s a corner square for me.
good for you because the money sure is real.
tony, tony, you shouldn’t try this format at humor, you’re obviously trying to copy one of your teammates and you’re not good at it.
Thx joe,
Is this a straight 2:1 pyramid, or does the promoter of ADV get a cut as well (like Bowdoin’s 50%)? I ran the 50% scenario. I know you’ll be shocked, by ADV is about out of steam if the founder gets his 50%. If he gets less, it could hang on a while longer, but it won’t matter.
OF COURSE it is still paying. All pyramid models pay until they blow up, otherwise they don’t even get started……join under you? No. 1) It’s still illegal, and unsustainable. I prefer to make my living legally. 2) Were I criminally inclined like you, it’s too late to join ADV. You’re on record as saying you don’t care if the programs you promote and sign into are illegal, so I suppose this is just another one…
Come up with a legal, sustainable biz model that pays like ADV and I’ll still sign up under you….
PS: Under the scenario where the owner takes out 50%, we wind up with, wait………….. a minimum of 83.6% losers at implosion.
Under the scenario where the owner magnanimously only takes out 10%, the minimum number of losers at implosion is just over 60%. A large percent will come close to breaking even.
Well, i don’t know where you come up with that but all i can say is it’s been here since December and still going as strong as ever with no sign of slowing which is what normally happens when they are about out of steam so I think you are wrong there and i would bet you will see this around for a long time to come. If you want to see the real biz plan as accurate as possible go there if you haven’t already and check it out. I promise no one will know. There’s a link a couple of posts up. As for joining under me, uh do you think I was joking maybe?
Entertained, it appears that the operators of ADV claim to take 25% of revenue, and 10% of “other income”. Of course, we have only their word that this is what they take, the actual percentage could be anything.
Entertained, I haven’t read your mathematical analysis of ASD, do you take into account of referral fees? This obvious ponzi scheme has 15% referral commission.
This obvious ponzi scheme could be in trouble already – there are claims that the cash out button has gone missing. Somewhat difficult to profit from an illegal ponzi scheme if you can’t get at the investment. Of course, this could be just a problem with the new site – yes, some of us have heard that excuse before. But don’t worry, “the new site will be awesome!!” Yes, that sounds familiar as well.
joe, is TeamAaronShara your up/downline?
Ok, answer for the completely clueless, they are up grading the scripts on the site. Why, because membership is growing so fast they needed to upgrade. the payrun is being done tonight but you don’t know that because you are not in. You just make your dumbass statements because momentarily they are upgrading and while the website is up and running and money is coming in, they don’t have everything available yet. I’ll tell you what it will be up this week and if it’s not I’ll tell you how brilliant you are. Or we can make a wager, yeah that’s even better. wanna bet? wanna put your money where your halfwitted mouth is? I’m serious, keep talkin and let’s bet. You should be jumping at the chance because you got it all together and know what’s going on so come on.
Ad-Ventures4U Will be gone by September 1st, 2010.
By that date either the sheer weight of the ponzi math will have collapsed it or a governmental agency will have stepped in to avoid others being sucked into the scheme.
There is an outside chance that it might still be alive, paying out less than .1% a month (to clarify, that’s 1.2% a YEAR).
Point being the program will be dead for all practical purposes. The high probability scenario is a collapse of “revenue share” rates and mass exodus of the members.
The next probable outcome is criminal charges against the owner and big promoters and the final option is the mathematically required reduction in revenue share payouts to amounts so miniscule that it’s not worth the time to “Surf”.
That is the way I see it, guaranteed, as recorded this day, Sunday, August 9th, the Year of Our Lord, 2009.
Faithfully submitted, Douglas C. Neidemeyer, Sgt. at Arms.
ARWR
I haven’t had the time to look at ADV until now. The owner of the domain gives his name and address as “Steven R Smith, 110 plum, Eminence, Missouri,65466 US, Tel. +573.2263340”. So that would be US jurisdiction then.
A small amount of research shows that “Steven R Smith” uses the email addresses “srstls2007@yahoo.com” and “steveraysmith@hotmail.com” and possibly others. Those two addresses appear on several copies of a paypal chain letter. So not only was this person circulating a paypal chain letter, he was trying to profit from it by putting his email addresses there at least twice.
ADV is using an off-the-shelf script from a company – the script costs $195. At least that is what the “Powered By” message at the bottom of the ADV web site indicates. The domain itself was provided by “VENTRINO SOFTWARE LLC”, the company behind the script.
This is a typical, run-of-the-mill ponzi scheme. No different from may others that have failed in the past. No different from many of the others that have been promoted by the likes of Faith Sloan, Ken Russo, Team AaronShara. It will fail just like the others.
joe, is TeamAaronShara your up/downline?
Thanks, Nostradumbass we’ll remember that wild prediction based on nothing.
Anybody notice how the “excuses” being given by ad-ventures4u are the same ones that ASD used, and AVG, and BAS are using? Server problems, new script, can’t handle the “explosive” growth, overwhelmed by the number of signups; yet we are supposed to believe this is a real company that will last forever. Guess it is being run by the same type of “Professionals” that ASD, AVG, BAS, and AGW were using. One thing is for sure, these “Professionals” seem to be a dime a dozen. Worth about as much too.
At least the owner is not claiming to make 100,000 Millionaires (well at least not yet), but otherwise it is the same script, same storyline, and will be the same end results. I especially like where they state if you join at the $10,000 level, you don’t even have to surf to get paid; but they are legal.
The only question to be answered is how long before it does?
Exchange Information
Members 54171
Links 71430
Banners 11529
Alertpay, Solid Trust, Liberty Reserve, and Strict Pay Approved
NOTICE WE MOVED TO PANAMA FEB 1ST-2009
Registrant:
AD-VENTURES4U.COM
Steven R Smith (steveraysmith@hotmail.com)
110 plum
Eminence
Missouri,65466
US
Tel. +573.2263340
Most of the companies I deal with only accept “alternative payment processors” and move to Panama….LOL
“joe” in regard to this brilliant knowledge of yours when you said, and I quote: “Well, i don’t know where you come up with that but all i can say is it’s been here since December and still going as strong as ever with no sign of slowing which is what normally happens when they are about out of steam so I think you are wrong there and i would bet you will see this around for a long time to come.” Hmm, I remember this also being said about ASD.
In regard to your point about the Alexa ratings of Eagle versus ad-ventures4u, you are comparing apples and oranges. ad-ventures4u is running a Ponzi claiming they will make people wealthy, thus the draw. Eagle educates the public to avoid Ponzi’s/scams and assists law enforcement in shutting Ponzi’s/scams down. I wouldn’t be so worried about Eagle’s Alexa ratings, but how effective they are. They just might shut down your favorite scam, and you just might get caught up in having charges filed against you.
By the way, do you know what they call it when someone blows in your ear? Data Transfer.
Here’s a link to an image of a “calculator” offered by David Courtney, a serial promoter of autosurfs, including (formerly) ASD and AVG, among several others.
Note that this example uses 2% per week as the rate at which “rebates” (or whatever they’re called by this scheme) are paid. Without any compounding, members purportedly can generate 104% per year return on thir investment.
“Step right up, folks, to Dr. Smith’s medicine wagon; take this elixer and it’ll solve all your financial problems…”
http://www.venturescalculator.com/images/A4U_Calculator_Screenshot_20090630.jpg
Thought “joe” would like to know that this great company ad-ventures4U is not even licensed or registered to do business. So moving his operation to Panama will not cut it. Guess he bought the myth that by registering offshore you are exempt from U.S. laws and law enforcement agencies. Even dumber than not registering his business in the first place. Interesting, but I could not find all those ads from all those companies (read outside revenue streams) on the website. Looked high and low, and none to be found.
Also wonder in what century he will get his gold program running. He doesn’t even know as he cannot put a date on his “coming soon” mantra. But this is a legal company.
Steved Ray Snith started off his AdVentrues4U autosurf with the claim that he was sick of programmes that ripped people off and so his was going to be different. (Sound familiar to anyone that joined ASD?) His is a “family business” but, as Lynn already pointed out – it is not registered anywhere, including Panama.
Steve R. Smith has already been involved in sereral dubious programmes, including the “Oprah Paypal scam”. He doesn’t seem to be tax registered either for AV4U, or licensed this gold business that he keeps talking about. If you think that anyone can start to deal and smelt precious metals on a commercial basis without a LOT of paperwork, you are sorely mistaken.
I’ve looked at this one in some detail. It talks well, but has the same basic illegal unsustainable model as all other autosurs, and judging by its present popularity, is coming close to implosion time. (Unless the Government beats them to it)
Apart from clawbacks from the AV4U scheme, should the governmetn intervene, ex ASD members need to remember that membership of yet another autosurf will probably disqualify them from receiving anything back from the Government from the ASD pot too.
Gotta stop hitting that submit button so fast!
Edit:
Oops! I said 2% per week, when I should have said 2% per day. That works out to 728% per year without compounding.
It’s interesting that “the company has moved to Panama” but you still send your checks to Missouri.
Yeah, right. We’ve all seen how that script pans out. Always, yes, ALWAYS there’s a never ending series of excuses of why payments are later and later or the authorities step in. What’s next? Russian hackers? Ex-employee ripped them off? Death/illness in the family? Server crashed and they have to “recreate” the books because no backup exists? They paid out too much and are “conducting an audit”? Fire? Steve is stranded in space on the International Space Station and they need funds to pay for his return trip?
They’ve only delayed payments once for a few days but the writing is on the wall in capital letters.
Let’s see what other sites are hosted on this server.
http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/web-sites-on-web-server/
Found 4 domains hosted on the same web server as AD-VENTURES4U.COM (67.225.181.8)
AD-VENTURES4U.COM
ezyinvest.com
getresponse.com
http://www.ad-ventures4u.com
http://ezyinvest.com/i/adv.htm promotes and links back to AV4U.
The main block is out of Michigan but it looks like someone in the UK leased a block of 4.
network:IP-Network:67.225.181.8/30
network:IP-Network-Block:67.225.181.8-67.225.181.11
network:Organization;I:VENTRINOSOFT
network:Org-Name:Ventrino Software LLC
network:Street-Address:817 Foxhall Road
network:City:Ipswich
network:State:Suffolk
network:Postal-Code:IP4 5TJ
network:Country-Code:UK
network:Tech-Contact;I:mwalker@walkersoftware.com
network:Abuse:abuse@sourcedns.com
network:Created:20090809
network:Updated:20090809
network:Updated-By:admin@sourcedns.com
Try the same thing on tradinggold4cash.com and you wind up with Mitch Pike, who’s Steven’s tradinggold4cash customer service representative on the west coast.
http://tradinggold4cash.com/contact.php
573-226-3340 EST.( Steve )
(East Coast) USA.
541-998-6628 PST.( Mitch )
(West Coast) USA.
Found 13 domains hosted on the same web server as tradinggold4cash.com (75.125.47.34).
adwordsite.net
classyblaster.com
incomesonfire.com
meggalist.com
mitchslist.net
notepopsite.com
superiorsurfer.com
text-2-go.com
tradinggold4cash.com
videosneeks.com
http://www.adwordsite.net
http://www.classyblaster.com
http://www.mitchripke.com
No one said there were server problems, they do need to upgrade because of the tremendous growth and they are, all the while PAYING and the site is functional while it is happening. What excuses? excuses for what? everything is fine, you guys are amazing, even when one is doing awesome you claim they are having problems and nothing could be further from the truth. tommorrow they will post the earnings and you will see the cashout button and it will pay like it has from the very beginning. Unmissed. You can say it won’t last if you want but to claim it’s having problems just makes you look rather dumb.
I was actually referring to Patrick’s blog when I talked about Alexa ratings. Adventures4U never claimed to make people wealthy. Finally Eagle can’t shut anything down anymore than this blog can. You give yourself way way too much credit.
It is registered in Panama and show me one time where the Gov has even started a lawsuit or “gone after” a company off shore. You say they aren’t protected, well I don’t know but so far it looks like they are. Remember ASD, Madoff, American soil. ADV is not. You say judging from present popularity it’s about to implode? How is that? If membership was stagnant or stopping you would say the same thing. which is it? Growing membership means continuing prosperity especially in these illegal ponzis, that’s the nature of the beast. You can’t have it both ways. I put this out there to illustrate a point. Even a program that is kicking ass is having problems according to everyone here and yes Pat Dunn it is paying 7% a week or 14 if you cash out 100%. this is not in theory it is paying that period. I know, I’m there but don’t take my word for it ask anyone in it.
That should have been somewhat obvious because I said to Entertained that I was looking at the ratings of “YOUR HERO”
Yup, you got, I know who he is and he’s maxed out in ADV and making 5600 a month just in his own earnings. That doesn’t count commissions. And he doesn’t even have to surf.
joe,
U.S.A. v. Stanford
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/vns/caseup/stanfordr.html
They even indicted a banking regulator in Antigua.
Here’s another case:
U.S.A. vs. Donald Manning. They captured him in Nicaragua,
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/01/21/donald-manning-president-of-purported-offshore-investment-firm-faces-10-years-in-prison/
The Arizona Corporation Commission did a lot of legwork in the Manning case:
http://images.edocket.azcc.gov/docketpdf/0000036683.pdf
Patrick
how about:
The U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) announced that it obtained orders imposing more than US$2.9 mln in sanctions against Foreign Fund and some other defendants, including two individuals and a Tennessee Corporation, for violations of the anti-fraud provisions of the Commodity Exchange Act. The CFTC action alleged that Foreign Fund, which was an Internet entity operating exclusively from a website in Ukraine and maintaining bank accounts in Nashville, Tennessee (U.S.), defrauded thousands of customers worldwide out of more than US$3 mln, by offering illegal off-exchange futures contracts
Or, how about:
On April 3, 2009, the Securities and Exchange Commission filed an emergency action in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas to halt an on-going multi-million dollar Ponzi scheme and affinity fraud involving investments in Oversea Chinese Fund Limited Partnership, a hedge fund based in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
And, don’t think having “offshore” status while operating from within the USA is any protection, either:
On March 25, 2009, the Commission filed an emergency action in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas to halt an on-going $68 million Ponzi scheme involving the sale of bogus certificates of deposit (“CDs”).
The Commission’s complaint alleges that Defendants William J. Wise, 58, of Raleigh, North Carolina and the Caribbean, and Kristi M. Hoegel, 34, of Napa, California, orchestrated the scheme through companies they control, including co-defendants Millennium Bank of St. Vincent and the Grenadines, its Geneva, Switzerland-based parent, United Trust of Switzerland S.A., and its U.S.-based affiliates, UT of S, LLC and Millennium Financial Group.
That isn’t the same thing, first of all those are just sanctions not criminal charges and it’s because of the TENNESSEE corp.
TEXAS WHY TEXAS?
Huh? Mitch Pike looks like a real professional precious metals trader (I dont think) – adword site, classyblaster,mitchslist,superiorsurfer. He may have background and experience, but it looks as if it is not in the gold business that he is now in. More like get rich quick schemes on the internet.
ASD was rather folksy. AV4U has always seemed very “homemade” but the addition of the fold sitge in its existing form has taken amateurs night out to a new level of incredulity
oops same problem with the submit button here too.
Who on earth would deal with a precious etals dealer who uses hotmail??
He’s registered in Panama (allegedly) but you need to send your checks to Missouri? Pray tell, how does that figure?
And both he and his partner have several other get rich sites as I posted. When you follow the links on those sites, you wind up in a morass of other get rich schemes, many of which are run by serial scammers. Very nice company he keeps.
It might be paying now but I doubt it’s going to last very long. Either it implodes on its own or the authorities will squash it….the sooner the better.
Even if you are registered offshore (which I doubt), you have to actively take steps to exclude American citizens or the Feds may decide to take you down. As posted, it’s happened more than once.
Thx Tony,
I do not take referral fees into account. It’s not all that hard to do, but it is perhaps hard enough to follow the details in the analysis. Plainly, the referral fees make things worse, assuming that the referral fees come out of the pool of funds that are returns to the members, as opposed to out of the owner’s pocket. Even if they do come out of the owner’s pocket (and who knows — they never submit themselves willingly to a legitimate audit), the math is identical to the case where the owner keeps 50% (in the ASD/AVG variants). Further, referral fees go to the earlier members, not the last people to join (aka the losers).
‘joe’
He’s running an unlicensed “business” from Missouri and having the checks sent to an address in Eminence, MO. I am sure the authorities are A-OK with this….NOT!
http://www.ad-ventures4u.com/faq.php
Where do I mail my check or money order to?
Make payable to Steve Smith and mail to Steve Smith at PO Box, 93, Eminence MO 65466. Please make sure to include your member number.
Government going after off shore companies? You’re right, never happens…well, except E-Gold, and Stanford, BLake Prater and Wellspring, a couple of the offshore gambling companies (whose business was actually legal in the countries they operate from, their only crime was not preventing US persons from playing), and a quick google search comes up with 7 million hits. Yep, never happens.
12 Daily Pro was “kicking ass” at one time, same as PIPS, CEP, Freeland Opps, P2P, and if you check talk gold they have 389 pages of failed scams, most of which were kicking ass at one time.
Are you really this naive or just another pimp?
Gregg: In regard to your question OF ‘joe’: Are you really this naive or just another pimp? BOTH.
Poor young “joe”
he’s been shown up so many times and added so many disclaimers to his original challenge, it’s becoming like the “Black Knight” scene in Monty Python.
Next we’ll have:
“show me one time the govt. even started a lawsuit or “gone after†a company off shore whose CEO was named Fred, stood 5’6″tall and was whistling the theme from “The Sting” at the time he was arrested”
fu** you I’ll answer my own questions boy.
Your just pissed off because I whipped your ass all over the place yesterday, I punk”d you good.
Please stop. My sides are hurting from laughing so hard. The only thing you have whipped is your mouth.
Yep,
definitely a descendant of Monty Pythons’ Black Knight.
A performance worthy of nothing less than a whole chapter in Greggs’ book, one would think.
I’m gonna have one chapter for Misc, Useful Idiots, If they all got their own chapter, it wouldn’t be a book it would be an encyclopedia. The only one who get’s a whole chapter is convicted felon Bob Guenther.
So I guess it will be an autobiography
Poor joey! Resorting to childish taunts and name calling. boo hoo! What should any of us have expected from such a mindless myrmidon? joey delivers!
Just got this in from The Fearless Leader at AD4U. This has disaster written all over it.
For crying out loud, there truly is nothing new under the sun. Just the same old pablum spun out over and over again.
ARWR
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Update from Ad-Ventures4U Below
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We are moving forward on the Gold site, you will see it on home page of http://ad-ventures4u.com. Have you ever dreamed of having your own gold buying website? I have and it is all of ours because we will all share in the revenue it generates.
It is not turned on yet but you can see it touch and smell the site and it will be open very soon. We will be doing allot of advertising including tv, radio, newspaper and internet. Most of the online programs does not have a real business to feed the income but we really do.
I will let everyone know when we go live but right now just look.
We are here to stay and I would highly suggest you get yourself leverage while the opp is here. (hint)
So go to http://ad-ventures4u.com and click on purchase ventures and start sharing earnings today. Thanks Steve Smith
I’m kind of wondering if I should write a letter to the postmaster in Emminence Missouri and make sure he knows this guy is running a scam through the mails. They frown on that kind of stuff.
About the same as you would expect from a guy who calls himself Ace. But hey it’s nice to be thought of as a fierce Greek warrior.
And as far as the taunts, it’s purely intellectual when you all do it to me. and yes Lindyboy I showed you how wrong you were about copyright infringement and plagiarism being “totally different. Backed it up with a couple of examples too so if your sides are hurting it’s from an asskicking.
For goodness’ sakes, “joe” quit while you’re ahead.
“Plagiarism is NOT copyright infringement. While both terms may apply to a particular act, they are different transgressions. Copyright infringement is a violation of the rights of a copyright holder, when material protected by copyright is used without consent. On the other hand, plagiarism is concerned with the unearned increment to the plagiarizing author’s reputation that is achieved through false claims of authorship”
Just because people don’t bother to respond to your obvious lack of comprehension, doesn’t make you “right” it’s more an indication that people are taking pity on you.
Wow lots of excitement going on there, I know I sure made some money this week and it didn’t come because anybody else lost it. I sure am happy I made you all more aware of this one. Some of you knew but nothing was being posted. Why don’t you talk about how this failure is paying. It’s really kind of ludicrous for me to say anything because it doesn’t matter how good any of them are and especially one thats doing great, you’ll never admit it. It’s only going to get bigger and better. Three cheers for AD-Ventures4U.
You want to know whats really funny? You guys are so easy. You really can’t tell that 99% of the reason that I even come here is for my own entertainment and most of the things I say are to piss people off and get a reaction for my own entertainment and it has worked. Hey, all of these surf/revenue shares have a shelf life and they will end when they end and you all have no effect but thats ok keep believing. You might as well celebrate that you finally got that blistering hot sun to go away. YAY we did it! Well until tommorrow. No, nature took it’s course just as it will with all of these programs and when it does it will be like a real surfer in the ocean. You catch a great wave and have a hell of a ride and then it’s done. You guys would be like some guy standing and watching on the beach and saying I told you it would end when the surfer got done as if he caused the wave to dissipate by hoping. The surfer would be grinning because he had a hell of a ride and guess what, he’s headed back out to catch the next one. I probably have gone a little far sometimes in my pursuit of fun and been a little insulting but I’ve taken my share too so it all works out. You have to remember there’s only me and all of you. well, occasionally Correction but otherwise only me. I didn’t post for a few days recently and thats because I wasn’t bored, I was kind of busy. Yes I’ve wondered why I do it when no one else does from any of these programs but I guess thats because they know it’s pointless just as much as what you’re doing is. You have zero effect, no more than I do when I post on here. The difference is, I know I have no effect, you don’t. I guess it’s like a little old ladies bridge club or an old guys shuffleboard club, you have fun getting together but at least they know they aren’t accomplishing anything other than entertainment, you don’t. It’s been fun baiting you but I think it’s time to move on because i’m just not as entertained as I was and it’s really dumb to continue if I don’t enjoy it. You won’t admit it but you’ll miss me because it’s fun for you to have a protagonist here. Well, never say never, I could put in a guest appearance in the future but it’s not in the plans for now. I will surf off in to the sunset now to the tune of the Beach Boys Surfin Usa. Bon Voyage
Beginning of the end over at Ad-Ventures4U?
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=115944&highlight=ad-ventures4u&page=3
Looks like my guarantee might be coming sooner than anticipated.
ARWR
Note from Steve, the Fearless Leader at Ad4U about a Conference Call on Friday, August 14th. This should be interesting, doubt they’ll take any questions, especially those that require an understanding of simple math.
Oh, well, as T.O. would say, “Get Your Popcorn!”
ARWR
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Received the Evening of August 13th:
For the first time ever we will be doing a company conference call. Let everyone know, This call will be Friday, August 14, 2009 at 8:00PM Eastern. (That’s 7:00PM Central, 6:00PM Mountain, 5:00PM Pacific. If you live in another time zone, please calculate the difference for your local area.)
Time: 8:00PM Eastern (Call in 5 minutes ahead)
Date: Friday, August 14, 2009
The phone # is 517-417-5600
The access code is 198309#
We start our calls On Time, so do not be late! I would recommend that you call in 5 minutes early.
This will be an excellent opportunity for you to hear directly from the owner of Ad-Ventures4U and get up to speed on all the changes and hear about the Extremely Exciting future of this program!
I have been assured that this call will be completely generic, so feel free to invite your own people to the call. There will be no mention of website addresses, phone #’s, emails, or anything else. This call will be strictly about getting to hear more from the owner of Ad-Ventures4U.
DO NOT MISS THIS CALL!
Remember coop special will stop at midnight Friday so get in, we have a ton that have purchased. Also weekly earnings is huge. thanks Steve
Guess again.
BetOnSports was founded in the UK where sports betting and online gambling are legal. The company’s servers were located in Costa Rica.
Here’s the Wikipedia page for background on the company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BetonSports
The mistake he made was to not exclude Americans as customers as online gambling is not legal in the US. He was arrested in the US in 2007 when transited the U.S. on his way from the UK to Costa Rica.
He’s now pleaded guilty and will most likely spend time in a US prison.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/15/betting.plea/index.html
“WASHINGTON (CNN) — The man who founded and ran the online sports gambling operation BetOnSports pleaded guilty and agreed to forfeit more than $43 million in proceeds, prosecutors announced Friday.
Gary Kaplan, 50, entered a guilty plea to conspiracy and violating wagering laws in federal court in St. Louis, Missouri, authorities said. Justice Department officials said Kaplan last week had wired the entire forfeited amount from his Swiss bank account to the court.”
This BS doesn’t even deserve a reply!!
On second thought ..some of you idiots DO deserve a reply! First of all Ad-ventures4u..auto-surf??? Now you’re really showing your ignorance aside from the fact that many of you can’t even spell what you’re writing about. A few of you HAVE to be or have been adv members because you know a few things that only members could have known. There was a member in the adv chat room several days ago that was all bent out of shape because he / she can’t take all “it’s” money out in a lump sum. How are you going to make money in revenue sharing that way? Perhaps “it” saw an ad for another revenue sharing program that allows members to “hit and run” making a measly ten bucks or so then get out. Just how long will ANY revenue sharing program last like that? I’ve seen several programs trying to compete with adv by saying in ads ” no 50% rule “, ” no hit and run clause”, etc. Think about it. If every depositor at any of the biggest banks on Earth, which will pay maybe 2% per YEAR suddenly went to their bank and withdrew every dime of their money do you think that bank would stay in business? NO. NO , NO because they invest that money to earn more for themselves and return MUCH less than adv. Many of the other revenue sharing programs have almost identical TOS rules as adv. In fact I saw one that was IDENTICAL (obviously this moron couldn’t come up with his own so he ” copied and pasted” adv4u). “PatrickPretty” hmm.. Patrick is a male name…wonder if it’s a fag???’….”Pretty?” By the way ,I’m also wondering why only adv is accused here? Could it be that some of you badmouthing adv are owners of the competing programs or at least have a high vested interest in them? They are all basically the same except that adv has upwards of 56,000 members where as the competitors have a few hundred to a few thousand. Maybe the membership numbers speak for the integrity of the programs. I had a thriving offline business for 26 and a half years and not once did I resort to ” badmouthing” my competitors to gain business. That’s as unprofessional as it gets people. If you don’t agree with adv policies then simply DON’T join. If you already have and you’re so sure you’re going to lose your whole ten or twenty dollars you’ve probably invested then you CAN cash out 100% of your weekly earnings until you have your lunch money back. I have more than lunch money there myself and am not losing sleep over it, much less badmouthing someone else over it. If I find it was a mistake..big deal..I’ll learn from it and move on. There are always people in the world who have nothing better to do than shoot off their big mouths when they don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. I’m out of here.You bunch of idiots make me sick!!!
Eddie,
Paragraphs would be helpful. I know you can do it, your site is full of them as is your blog.
whois tokiesnetenterprises.com
Technical Contact:
Tokie`s Net Enterprises
Eddie Gillespie
US
http://www.tokiesnetenterprises.com/blog2/
Promoting Ponzi’s online is highly illegal in the US.
Not really, Eddie.
Patrick
Eddie, And your point is?
That doesn’t even deserve a reply alasycia!!!!!!
“Pretty” Patrick….This doesn’t deserve a reply either!!!!!!
If adv is an illegal ponzi why has it been online for over 8 months…you MORON!!!
AdSurf Daily was online for 2 years, Bernard Madoff lasted for 30+ years, P.I.P.S. lasted a couple of years, CEP similarly and 12Daily Pro was online and “still paying” for 18 months,
And your point is what exactly ????
Are you implying it’s some sort of American legal “thing” ????
If you can last more than 12 months you get to pass “GO” and collect $200.
Since you’re the smart guy, I’ll let you figure it out.
But here’s a hint for you. Bernie Madoff was running a Ponzi for decades. He pleaded guilty and is now serving his time. His scheme was reported to the SEC for over a decade. The SEC even opened an investigation a few years ago and found nothing. Half of Wall Street knew he was dirty and would have nothing to do with his operation. All their Berkeley math PhD’s couldn’t figure out how he made his stated returns month after month after month. The result has been in the headlines for almost a year.
But you thought you would reply anyway. lol
He’s pimping his website. Hover over his name. See if you like his blog.
I did hover and I didn’t like it much. ANOTHER “internet marketing” make money from home without working with yet another group of miracle online schemes (including of course AV4U)
Contact the Secret Service about AD-Ventures for You. The responses are starting to Pour in. Steve Ray Smith and Joey Smith Ms.Emma Hannah Brandt are all criminals and need to be caged like animals. You can also contact the District attorney in Eminence Mo. and mention ad-ventures4u a case file HAS already been opened.
Its true Steve Ray Smith is a crook and has always been a crook. You cant change a Zebras stripes. It does not matter if he says his company is offshore. He is ripping off people with a illegal Ponzi scheme. His emails will prove the case in itself.
Ad-ventures4u is going out people! He says he was running a illegal ponzi is his emails and now he wants to make it legal 9 months later. Notify the Secret Service on these Ponzi scammers. They should shut alert-pay down for catering to these ponzi theives. The District attorney in Eminence Mo is waiting to hear from you. This was designed from the beginning to scam people evern when it was failing Steve Ray Smith Joey Smith Ms.Emma and Hannah Brandt still said everying was just fine. It is close to lights out right now. The Law will make arrest or it goes black soon. I look for the cowards to run. You can bet Steve Ray Smith exited this SCAM with Millions of Dollars in His Pockets. It was a illegal Ponzi from the beginning!
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