DEVELOPING STORY: Blogger In Czech Republic Who Called INetGlobal A ‘Scam’ Last Summer Says She Was Threatened With Lawsuit; Blogger’s Name Means ‘Prophetess’ Or ‘Oracle’
EDITOR’S NOTE: Sybille Yates, the subject of the story below, contacted the PP Blog Feb. 26 and Feb. 27Â from an IP in the Czech Republic, after reading our coverage of the Ponzi scheme allegations against INetGlobal. The PP Blog asked Yates questions in follow-up emails, and this story is based on her responses and the PP Blog’s own reporting.
A woman who described herself as a Blogger in the Czech Republic says she was threatened with a lawsuit after calling INetGlobal a “scam” in a post in September 2009 and after owner Steve Renner was convicted of federal income-tax evasion in a case that alleged he had converted customers’ money in a separate company to his own use.
Sybille Yates, who said she runs a Blog at hospitalera.com, called INetGlobal a scam in a post on Sept. 3, 2009.
Ironically, the name “Sybille” means “prophetess” or “oracle,” according to ThinkBabyNames.com, a website that provides a dictionary on the meaning of names.
About three months later — on December 8, 2009 — Renner was convicted of four felony counts of income-tax evasion. Last week, federal agents raided his offices in Minneapolis, amid allegations that INetGlobal was operating a Ponzi scheme and engaging in wire fraud and money-laundering.
Although Yates said paperwork directed at her appears to have originated in the United States on or around Dec. 18 — about 10 days after Renner’s conviction — Yates added that she did not know she was the target of a prospective lawsuit until on or around Feb. 25, about two days after the Feds raided INetGlobal.
Yates said she was summoned to a Czech court to retrieve the papers, adding that “I think [INetGlobal] tried to silence me, but didn’t count on the amount of time it would take to serve them overseas.” She noted that she was puzzled by the paperwork because “I never received a cease and [desist] email or letter.”
The Czech court appeared not to be the venue from which any lawsuit would be heard. Rather, the court contacted Yates to let her know that “that legal papers were waiting for me [since the] middle of January.”
“This notice didn’t state what the papers were all about, just that they were legal and from the USA and that the courts here in the Czech Republic are not involved,” Yates said. “I kind of felt paralyzed, I lead a pretty law obedient life and didn’t have any experience with such situations.”
INetGlobal’s website was offline early this morning, throwing an error message that said “Our Web Servers appear to be experiencing technical difficulties.”
Yates, who described English as one of four languages she speaks, said she was not a member of INetGlobal.
“I toyed with the idea for a second to sign up for free /[or the] minimum fee in order to get better insider info, but only for a second,” she said. “I would not have felt comfortable enough to give them even the most basic personal information, not to speak of my debit card details.”
INetGlobal went to the time and expense of translating the documents sent from the United States into Czech, Yates said.
“[T]hat was completely wasted on me as I don’t speak Czech!” she said. “I live here, because my husband works here.”
Yates said she believed INetGlobal perceived her “as a pain in the backside” because of the “scam” reference and because she has a high search-engine ranking for terms associated with INetGlobal.
“I don’t concentrate on scams, but I am convinced that it is perfectly possible to make money online without scamming and ripping people off, so if I come across something that I think is a scam, I say so,” Yates said.
On Sept. 3, Yates wrote, “Inetglobal is a scam and a really bad one. Stay away from them and save your money!”
Her Sept. 3 post suggested INetGlobal had a “daily re-purchase,†program in place, which she interpreted to mean “your credit card will get continuously charged and drained until you are in deep debts.”
In an affidavit for a search warrant in the INetGlobal case last week, the U.S. Secret Service described an “automatic repurchasing†program that the firm allegedly employed by default and prevented customers from overriding.
It was not immediately clear if Yates and the Secret Service were referring to the same repurchase program.
Visit the hospitalera.com Blog to read Yates’ Sept. 3 post. See Yates’ Feb. 25 post that announced she had been targeted in a prospective lawsuit.
It seems that iNetGlobal has done well for you. Your traffic has increased; people think this minor league blog is legitimate and you get to play judge and jury. Wow – only in America.
And you think iNetGlobal was a lawful company? Please do tell!
Don,
Is this your site?
http://ibnn.org/minneapolis%E2%80%99-star-tribunes-newspaper%E2%80%99s-bias-reporting-causes-defamatory-speculation-at-internet-marketing-firm-updated/
If it is, you’re writing about INetGlobal, too. Should people believe you operate a “minor league Blog” and does the fact IBBN is writing about INetGlobal demonstrate you’re “legitimate?”
Do you have any interest in posting a comment that has something to do with the content of the article above — or would you like to limit yourself to criticism of this Blog and the suggestion it is “minor league” and therefore not worthy of a courteous post from you or a second thought from INetGlobal members?
I’m wondering if you believe “minor league” applies to 649 posts on this Blog and thousands of readers’ comments that have nothing to do with INetGlobal — and whether the many correspondences this Blog receives from widows, senior citizens and others who’ve been victimized by scams make the senders “minor league.”
Patrick
No fear Mr. Allen, even without iNG we’d have plenty of scams to talk about. We’ve known about Steve Renner and AdPacs perhaps even longer than you have but it’s such a common and unnoteworthy example of a surf ponzi that it hardly warranted comment until recently. Sure, when the Feds stream through the door it makes for some drama but for most of us it certainly came as no surprise.
I’m not gloating, just stating the obvious. I hope you didn’t lose much if any money to the soon to be incarcerated Mr. Renner.
Patrick, here the who.is from Don Allen’s web site ibnn.org http://who.is/whois/ibnn.org/ notice the name the domain is registered by? Google also “Don Allen Inetglobal” that makes for some interesting background info ;-) SY
Sybille says
“I toyed with the idea for a second to sign up for free /[or the] minimum fee in order to get better insider info, but only for a second”
Well, ladies and gentlemen, that pretty much summarizes it all. Business critic experts need one second, JUST ONE SECOND to get it all right! Isn’t that something? Funny, I spent more than 15 years in school trying to get an education and all this time I was not thought on how to get it right in JUST ONE SECOND! Instead, they dragged me around for 15+ years to finally get that university degree! I feel so ripped off! WHAT A SCAM!
Got your ass sued? Well, that’s a lesson for you to learn from.
Dear Anonymous,
First, let us congratulate you for spelling the word “anonymous” properly, as most people who like scams seem have a problem with polysyllabic words. Besides, the phrase “one second” is not literally one second. It merely infers a short amount of time had passed.
Your attempts at sarcasm regarding your lengthy time at a university belies other difficulties, perhaps. I noticed you used the prhase ?trying to” which implies you did not succeed.
As the old blacksmith joke goes, “No, it wasn’t hot.. It just doesn’t take me very long to look at a horseshoe!” Perhaps you take longer to look than others.
I was not aware that US courts would have jurisdiction in the Czech Republic. Or is the Czech Republic the 51st State?
@Leo Smith
No, they don’t, but as the internet is involved, things are a bit more complicated. I am questioning the point of “personal jurisdiction” over me by an US court together with a lot of the other points stated. SY
Don:
If I did not know better I would think that your above posting was that of Robert “The Scammer” Guenther another lowlife just like you.
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Somewhere guenther weeps over being ‘outscooped’ once again. lol.
Jack,
Of course you mean Don Allen, not the Wizard, I hope…..
Seems ole ‘Don Allen’ is Renner’s puppet as Renner owns all the websites that ‘Don Allen’ posts his propoganda on.
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Dear Patrick – LMAO!
Yes, my blog(s) are registered with the company…by posting names and address of registrants of my blog; nowhere did you identify an illegal activity – simply because there is none. While you continue your “witch hunt†I would like to give you some food for thought.
It’s good that you know where to find public information – because that’s all you posted: public information. DUH!
It’s a shame that something as trivial as the truth eludes you. I would love a one-on-one with you – at least that would be far and informational – rather than wasting space on your comment section posting registration information…you think?
Clearly this ‘minor blog’ is far more legitimate than you want to cry about.
And I was the one that posted the reg info about your owner – not Patrick.
mr ‘radical black’. lol. Racist much are ya?
Not really. anyone with the IQ greater that an garden invertebrate would see that anything that saya you can “earn” a six figure income by looking at 24 websites a day for 20 seconds each, for a total of 8 minutes a day, has got to be a scam.
It was a obvious ponzi scheme just the same as ASD, 12DailyPro, and many, many others. The excuses were the same, the script was the same, the ponzi supporters are using the same excuses.
Dear Tony H,
I equally love to be scammed and to scam others too. Zero doubt about it! So, give me your jewellery and I will give you cash! That’s right, I will give you cash!
Classic ponzi promoter’s trick – attempt at distraction or deflection. And not a very good attempt at that. Little Bobbie was always much better, at least his rants have entertainment value.
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One of the domains associated with Renner has the phone number 702 555 1212. It appears that this number is associated with some dodgy phone billing scam in the past.
Entertained:
You are correct as I was not referring to my friend and fellow ning9 member but the jerk who calls himself Don Allen.
My Dear Tony H,
Little Bobbie
What’s your hobby?
I am sitting in my lobby!
I am surfing on the net!
I get paid to move the rest!
HAAAAAAAAA… !! ?! !? DA! :)
XOXOXO
I didn’t think it was possible, but Bog G actually has competition for being the most egoistic poster. Way to go Don Allen.
please stop re-quoting each other. It doesn’t make for easy reading.
I am a customer of InetGlobal and I am trying to get a better idea of what everyone is talking about- All I know is that I purchased my domain with Inetglobal built a website and I am able to sell products now. Every month I opt for Advertising Pacs because it give me international traffic and I make sales online as a result, I was told i have the option to MLM and earn commission off products I sell- so .. can someone please explain where the Ponzi scheme is related to.
I hope the company closes the accounts of members that dont represent it accurately.
There is a fine line between CRAZY and INTERESTING
This conspiracy is looking downright Crazy loco
Take Care, While everyone debates this I’m going back to my online sales with inetglobal so I can I support my family financially and provide products to my customers all over the globe.
Best,
Sorry about that, but in my post above I meant to say Bob G. Another case of putting my tongue in front of my eye teeth so I could not see what I was saying; or just my brain goes faster than my fingers on the keyboard. Still I am shocked to see someone who comes even remotely close to Bob G. and ego.
Maureen, So help me out. Are you a customer or a memeber of inetglobal? If you are a memeber are you a gold? or higher level? If you just a customer why did you chose inet over let’s say go-daddy for your webs site? In the last 3 months how many sells did your online business get by advertising on the internal inet rotator? what do you sell on line? Where else do you advertise on or off the net?what other services do you use with Inet?
Dear…. Just Sick of it, I wasn’t going to answer but I really feel like I should
I am a member and a customer :) I made a choice of buying Inetglobal because it is the only online company that offers everything in one place.
Seriously this may sound very trivial but I just needed 1 company in which I can control my entire business, no more web developers to bill me, no more hawks to sell me, no more online guru’s telling me they have the key to my online success. I was sick of tired of NOBODY making it clear how to make money on the net. I don’t have all the time in the world to spend, learn , spend , learn – I wanted to earn money yesterday.
Signing up with Inetglobal is like the Sam’s Club of the Internet, everything in one place, affordable – no guessing – if they don’t offer it to me as a member then I probably don’t need it for my success – Then I fell in love with the international rotator. NO BODY HAS THIS= My website shows for 20 seconds around the world to all the international members or I can restrict it to the US and Canada. NOW to answer you – I cant tell if people that are buying from me are members or not, but I can tell you that I made $15,533 net in my second month. I’m getting such beautiful online traffic it is actually causing my site to be found # 1 in its category, Where I am picking up even more traffic.
My Husband and I looked at this opportunity very closely. I don’t see Ponzi at all, buying Ad pacs is the KEY to my success I am buying advertising money !!! I love it, I’m not buying Health products, useless kitchen ware, tupper ware, video phones… I’m buying something that keeps my business advertised. I hope it survives after the all media attention because I truly enjoy it as member and a customer.
I wish everyone a wonderful day
So Maureen,
A question…..did you make your $15,533 from sales of your product on your web site from the iNet members viewing your site and buying a real product, or did you make it from the iNet rebate program on your ad pacs? I really hate to break this to you, but you do need to know this. If it is the latter, then it is 100% that you are the beneficiary of criminal activity (and for reference, see all of the information available concerning AdSurfDaily). I know you do not want to hear this, but you strike me as an honest person who happens to be a true believer in INet. iNet is a Ponzi scheme, and you, as a big winner, have several things facing you in your future. These include criminal liability and possible criminal charges and jail time for actively promoting and benefitting from the fraud, as well as civil liabilities for every single person in your extended downline. Don’t forget the tax angle — you must file every cent of income (not net income) on line 39 of your 1040 under “other income”, which includes illegal obtained income — make no mistake, this is illegal income. At the very least, you really don’t want the IRS to come calling. Ask Al Capone…..
My advice — which I doubt you’ll follow but nonetheless is stellar advice — is to seek out a good criminal attorney, and in order to ease your conscience and possibly avoid the dire scenarios above, call the MN Attorney General and offer to help as a witness/insider in this fraud. btw, now that you have this information, your liability exposure has increased, since you now cannot claim “ignorance” from this point forward. You know with certainty (from a legal point of view) that what you have done was to be involved with a criminal enterprise. Even if you don’t believe it is/was illegal, it does not matter. You have now been put on notice……
I think your lost and confused. (not to be rude or anything)…. My taxes and my earnings are between me and the government, My family probably contributes more to the roads you drive on.. then you do… SO get a grip eager beaver.
Like in my note I am very crystal clear I sell Online Products through the rotator, if you were educated on the products (no offense again) you would understand my Clear English, when I said. “I cant tell if people that are buying from me are members or not” At this I dont have a downline,nor did i ever say I have. Because I’ve been focused on selling my products. And my products sell off the rotator , just like any products sell of commercials.
When I am interested in learning how to expand my downline, I will ask ACN or Pre paid legal or Mary Kay or Talk Fusion reps. But right now I don’t have time
Anyways I would continue this debate if I felt i was speaking to educated people. But its obvious your obsessed with excitement and conspiracy and error so …. no points ‘throwing pearls to swine.’ – no offense again, Im sure your a good person but it seems in your writing language that Your just ready to tear up anyone anything for no other reason then probably because you enjoy conflict and mystery instead of looking at the good.- good luck take care
I don’t think anyone here enjoys your long drawn out re-quoting, reporting and misinterpretation, You’re confusing ..Also it seems you are using too much jargon please explain what you would like to say to me in clear simple English.
The answer for the 3rd time is- M-Y O-N-L-I-N-E sales have jumped!! I only advertise on the International Rotator of InetGlobal. I don’t have a downline or referral commissions yet.
WE all know you will respond because you obviously cant accept someone else having the last word, so I just wanted to say for the readers MY sales jumped with Inetglobal, if it was a ponzi, like ‘Mr Entertained’ is claiming, the site would be gone. Especially since the FBI seized the equipment and the site is still functioning.
The fact that I’m responding to someone called Mr Entertained is funny and wasteful to all our time.
So in closing – May all the readers see that I have been clear about my position AND …responding to you any further would just be fueling a fire I don’t care to see grow, as I have a family to feed a community to build and products to sell. Hopefully you do something productive for society besides breaking down legit companies.
Now …Don’t get me wrong.. In your mind, based on everything you know I understand that you perceive yourself to be right, But what we are saying to you is that you actually dont know the company. It looks to me the whole ASD idea went wrong because the industry was so new and there were no laws against it. The Internet is still a new tool for mankind.
– GET a 5 Hour training on the tools, products, hardware, Cpanel, E-commerce, Auto Responder, Directory listing, and then and ONLY THEN show me the magical rainbow path to your ponzi ideas. THEN if you can prove it, I will as a responsible citizen and I’ll cancel my membership.
Hope you got your entertainment Mr Entertained.
I did –
Maureen,
You have asked me to respond and so I will, with a question. I’ll accept it when you say your on line sales have jumped. You have not denied receiving rebates on your ad pacs. Are you unconditionally stating that you have received no rebates on your ad pacs? Are you saying that unconditionally your income is 100% from the profits of the sales of your actually products? Thx
And this is exactly where the problem lies.
It is ONLY membership that is buying as that is the only, limited, targeted audience.
The only way they get paid……especially if they don’t even have a business as has been proven at one rally already, is to pay their membership and surf websites in the limited exposure rotator.
In order for them to get paid, money from new members must come in making it a ponzi.
Your website IS NOT being found (since you have stated it is only on a ‘rotator’) by many, many, many, more people on google which is what I would think you’d want.
Where is the value in that?
My site comes up near the top in many differing google searches for the services I offer with a site I designed and put online myself.
Any questions I had about trying to get better ranking, I asked people and got answers.
It’s really not that hard unless you are hawking crap that everyone else who tries to ‘make money online’ attempts.
@Maureen Damme
What is your site about and what kind of product are you selling? SY
@Whip
In order for the less fortunate to get paid, money from every working citizen must come in social assistance making it a ponzi. See, social assitance is a ponzi scheme.
Then instead of scamming innocent people you can focus your energies to bringing that rather tired, lame excuse to scam others, to the FTCs attention.
Right now, others are concerned about the real scam such as iNetglobal, Narc,thatponzi, DNA, etc.
Maureen,
I think you have overreacted somewhat to Entertained’s post. He simply asked if the money you have made is from direct sales from your site or from returns on your advertising investment through rebates paid by iNetGlobal (or a mixture of both). Having read the same post as you did, it was clear that he then proceeded to offer advice if your income was derived from non sales returns from your web site.
If your income derives from straight product sales, then you have no cause for concern, but if the contrary is the case, then you have received some excellent advice from a recognised expert in the field of anti-financial fraud.
You may belittle his qualification to comment, but, since having been the victim of a similar fraud, I can only tell you that I have been impressed the patience and totally non vested interest of Entertained and other highly qualified professionals. They spend their valuable time, without any prospect of financial reward, in educating us to evaluate the legal and mathematical merits of online schemes, in order to help us avoid scams like these. My personal “achilles heel” was ASD. In the past, I defended their activities with spirit and great debating skills, just as you are doing with iNetGlobal. However, at the end of the day, I came to understand WHY ASD was an illegal ponzi scheme. And this was because they shared with me some mathematical and legal information which helped me work out for myself that the Secret Service did us all a favor when they raided ASD.
If I had not had the intellegence to listen to them, I would stil be defending a con man who ran a multi million dollar ponzi scheme
You have the oportunity to listen to their advice, investigate and decide for yourself, or you can continue to shut your eyes and ears and listen to the promoters of iNetGlobal who, of course, have a vested interest in convincing you that the authorities have made a mistake and that Steve Renner is a great businessman.
It’s nice to see the classics haven’t been forgotten. I think it was Pliny the Elder who first documented this excuse.
alasycia:
Excellent post, and I hope that Maureen takes your advice. The reaons why your post was excellent is that you have walked in her shoes, and fully understand where she is coming from at this moment in time. You can speak to her in ways the rest of us cannot that have not been there.
Maureen, whether or not you listen to alasycia’s comments is your choice. I highly recommend that you do listen and gain from alasycia’s experiences. It will save you a lot of grief downstream if you do. Now it is up to you to decide. All the best.
Maureen,
There is a chance you’ll find these posts helpful. They’re a bit on the long side, but they might be worth your time.
“Black Box” by Entertained:
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/01/03/asd-sustainability-black-box-entertained/
ASD Fantasy Courtroom Series: ‘Blue Paint’ by PP Blog:
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/03/11/reprise-blue-paint-part-3-of-fantasy-asd-series/
The ASD case and the INetGlobal case have a number of things in common. Perhaps the most obvious is the thing that occurs naturally: the laws of mathematics.
There are other things, though — things that resulted from the intervention of man. ASD had a plan to create 100,000 millionaires in three years, for example.
INetGlobal promoted a plan to create “10,000 New Millionaires [In] The Next 24 Months!” according to a slide from a PowerPoint presentation.
Disclosure also is an issue in both cases. ASD’s Andy Bowdoin, for example, was arrested in Alabama in the 1990s for fleecing investors. He did not disclose his arrest while ASD was collecting tens of millions of dollars. In fact, he let people believe his only brush with the law had been a speeding ticket.
Golden Panda Ad Builder, the so-called “Chinese” option for ASD members, was operated by Clarence Busby. Busby was implicated by the SEC is a prime-bank scheme in the 1990s. That, too, was not disclosed while Golden Panda was ramping up for its July 2008 launch. It was only disclosed AFTER autosurf critics reported on the SEC probe into Busby
AdPacs, the precursor for INetGlobal, also was ramping up for launch in July 2008. I’m wondering if you know whether Steve Renner, who operated a company known as Cash Cards International (CCI), ever disclosed that CCI had become part of a major Ponzi scheme case the SEC filed against a company known as Learn Waterhouse in 2004 and the FBI filed against FOUR criminal defendants in 2005.
Did you know that, when the receiver in the Learn Waterhouse case tried to get Renner to convert millions of dollars of electronic CCI credits into cash to compensate Ponzi victims, Renner could not do it?
Did you know that Renner himself told the receiver that he used customers’ money as his own? And did you know that the receiver asserted in 2005 that Renner himself was an investor in the Learn Waterhouse Ponzi scheme to the tune of $250,000 and needed his money back plus “earnings” because CCI was having “cash-flow difficulties?”
See Page 21 of this court filing:
http://www.tflinc.com/media/waterhouse_2ndInterimReport.pdf
It might be a good idea to read the entire document, including the Exhibits.
Just wondering: Do you know how many INetGlobal sales pitches from its worldwide army of promoters disclosed any of these things?
Does it cause you any concern that a man who was running a payment-processing business — and now is running INetGlobal — had taken money from customers and used it as his own?
Was that disclosed to you when you joined INetGlobal?
Are you concerned at all about Renner’s four felony convictions? Do you know if INetGlobal ever issued a news release that informed members about the felony convictions and the matters pertaining to CCI?
If such a news release was issued in English, was it issued in Chinese, as well? Do you know if INetGlobal’s Chinese members knew about the problems Renner’s CCI had? How about the tax problem? What’s going to happen if, say, the judge in the tax case sentences Renner to prison and issues a big fine and a restitution order?
Do you know how much revenue the businesses under the Inter-Mark Corp. umbrella were posting? Was it enough to sustain the rebates?
Do you believe that when a business such as INetGlobal pays members, the payments are “proof” that no Ponzi scheme exists? Remember, ASD paid members. So did Charles Ponzi.
Here is how the current situation is shaping up: A man with four felony convictions — a man who faces prison time and the prospect of restitution and a big fine, and a man who was upside down to the tune of $2.5 million when operating CCI, which was providing payment services for a Ponzi scheme — now finds himself at the center of his own Ponzi scheme, wire-fraud and money-laundering investigation.
And a large percentage of his customers may not have sufficient command of English to understand precisely what is going on. Meanwhile, INetGlobal, which may not have informed members about the convictions or the grave allegations in the Learn Waterhouse Ponzi case as they applied to CCI’s involvement, is threatening to sue a Blogger in the Czech Republic for calling INetGlobal a scam.
It might be a good idea for you not to get too comfortable with your $15,533 if any of it came from rebates.
Patrick
P.S. Renner was indicted on the tax charges in September 2008, one month after the ASD raid and while AdPacs/INetGlobal was in its infancy. Were you aware that Renner was under indictment when you joined?
Were you aware that Randall T. Treadwell, one of the defendants in the criminal case that emerged from the SEC’s Ponzi scheme probe into Learn Waterhouse, was sentenced to to serve 300 months in federal prison and ordered to pay $44 million in restitution?
And that co-defendant Arnulfo M. Acosta, an attorney, was sentenced to serve 87 months and ordered to pay $20 million in restitution?
And that co-defendant Ricky D. Sluder was sentenced to serve 188 months in federal prison and ordered to pay $44,872,152.38 in restitution, and that co-defendant Larry C. Saturday was sentenced to to serve 63 months in federal prison and ordered to pay $22,436,076.19 in restitution?
It sure seems strange that Maureen would not jump at the chance to post her website, since $15K+ is a lot of sales in this global economy, in 30 days no less and to a captured audience. She did not mention what the 1st and subsequent months brought in.
If my products were that good, I would be welcoming a more global audience. She stated that she needs to help her community, so $100k in sales would increase the local tax base (sales & use tax), therefore one way of benefiting the community. I am assuming that would definitely feed her family also. And if the product(s) she sells is benefiting society, then it would be a winning trifecta.
Yep, something just doesn’t add up here. Maybe the real issue is the money is too alluring, too blinding, just like all the other easy money chasers who get involved in ponzi schemes online.
At least with Inet I haven’t heard the old ASD mantra “If God be for us, then who can be against us”.
@ Tony H., Nowhere on any official iNetGlobal website does it say you can make money just by looking at websites. It’s basically a business for small and home businesses. You’d have to give a shit to look at it and find out, but you’ve already made up your mind that it’s a scam. Just thought I’d share.
Oh, really ????
What is “inet surf” then ????
How do “adpacks” work ???
Why is it, if you click on the “surf demo” button, a “rotator” popup appears, a’la “AdSurf Daily, CEP, 12Daily Pro” etc, etc, etc
Was Vito Corleone innocent because he operated an olive oil factory AS WELL as the “family business” ????
NOTE: Poster formerly known as “Anonymous” from IP in Canada blocked by Admin for using multiple identities/email addresses when posting in support of INetGlobal. It is OK to argue a case for INetGlobal and to post anonymously. It is OK to cheerlead for INetGlobal. It is OK to speak passionately about INetGlobal and to argue a passionate case.
It is NOT OK to use multiple user IDs and fabricated email addresses in an apparent bid to create the impression you are two different people arguing in support of INetGlobal. That’s the behavior of a troll, not the behavior of a person who wants to argue a case for INetGlobal legitimately.
Patrick
It would be nicer if we knew what other aliases he/she used here. I remember another Inet fan in Hospitalera site used 3 or 4 different aliases to give similar false impression.
Hi Sean,
The other alias was “Italian guy.” The poster used a different, fabricated email address (an “@” sandwiched between two letters) when posting as “Anonymous.” The “Italian guy” email address was a hotmail address with an Italian theme. The post was mostly in English but included a passage in Italian.
Just plain bizarre.
Patrick
Arguing is useful. But before it, we should know what we are arguing. We shoul know argued object well. How to know it? firstly, we should spend much more time on researching. For inetglobal, it is a MLM business, so we should understand what’s MLM? Does it have its essential products? and how about its products, garbage or advanced ones? Secondly, we we should know what’s the same and difference from inetglobal and others? Thirdly, if any companies, especially MLM companies’ accounts are frozen by the government, can they survive or not?
I trust inetglobal even I am not doing it well. But I am knowledgable for economics. Accounting to the definition of MLM, inetglobal is a real MLM company.It really provides essential products and service, due to virtual businese, even we can’t see it, it exists.
Now for most people, stock market is normal. Countless people get involved. You can’t imagine why most people lose their money and they are still interested in it? No matter people lose or win, the thing is: at the begining of the shares, most people at that time thought it was obviously huge Ponzi scheme. Even now, some people still think it is.
Haha, human being is human being. It will be more smart, especially after experience some “comfused” issues!
I hope U.S. government farely sapientially deal with inetglobal!
Good luck, inetglobal!
Its funny here as i see inetglobal to having a good outcome
because the chart i see from ready all post on scam and inetglobal.
is this
1.Scam blog Posters are always on Negative point of view. and most dont cite their Factz.
2.from what i have read 80% (majority) of the post responds give positive point of view.
3.Then 15% of people are confuse about joing or not to inetglobal
4.Lastly 5% are those that for wat ever they have been through with MLM , as soon as they see MLM they reponds to Scam and Ponzi~
Ask me to join a side~ i would setup a web site of my own and blog some Scam topic too @.@ this is $$$$$ traffic~
I love iNetGlobal, it makes sense.
Adison, the Feds do not have the resources to go after wild goose chases. They only do so when they have hard evidence with which to prosecute. They are after Steve Renner.
But I guess you know better than them!
Newsletters / ** Special Announcement To iNetGlobal Leaders **
** Special Announcement To iNetGlobal Leaders ** / March 8, 2010 /
To: iNetGlobal’s Customers, Consultants and Friends Fr: Mark I. Kallenbach, Esq. Legal Counsel to iNetGlobal Re: Recent Developments at iNetGlobal As you are likely aware, on February 23, 2010 the U.S. Secret Service executed a search warrant on iNetGlobal’s Minneapolis offices. At that time some of iNetGlobal’s business documents and computers were seized. Despite the seizure of iNetGlobal’s property, iNetGlobal continues to service its existing customers’ needs and is mounting a vigorous defense to the untrue and unwarranted claims against it. iNetGlobal has retained independent accountants, lawyers, experts in MLM and others to examine its business model, operations and practices. They have determined that iNetGlobal’s business and business practices are legal. iNetGlobal intends to open for business as usual this week. Later this week, iNetGlobal expects that it will be presenting factual and legal evidence to a federal judge that describes in detail why iNetGlobal’s business is legal. You will be promptly notified of any developments that may arise. iNetGlobal thanks its 70,000 Customers, Consultants and many friends for their continuing support and patience during this very trying time. iNetGlobal is emerging from the cloud of untruthful allegations about it and is again on its way to becoming one of the world’s pre-eminent providers of internet services for the Small Business community. Please send this message to your Downlines. Sincerely, Mark Kallenbach
I personally believe that there is nothing wrong with inetglobal.
People from different newspaper press and TV advertisement always come to my office to sell their advertisement space to me. Why not can I sell my advertisement space to those who need to sell their products by using my inetglobal to the potential customers?
Why would you ‘advertise’ to only a minute group of people that have no interest whatsoever of ever purchasing anything, no matter what you are ‘selling’?
Your ignorance to the facts does not make you innocent.
Though, I’d be pretty sure you know exactly what the facts are.
Perhaps you should read exactly what is posted.
What could YOU be buying from people that have no business?
After all, you did look at their site so you could get paid right?
I’m posting my message everywhere, On every blog, on every thread, on every webpage I can find… So no one else will get scammed like me and my friend and my family and my room mates… And all my downlines…
DO NOT JOIN INETGLOBAL!!! DO NOT JOIN INETGLOBAL!!!! DO NOT JOIN INETGLOBAL!!!!!
It’s a scam, 100%!!!! I wish I never joined them. When me and my friend first joined, we were promised big bucks for just clicking on a few ads a day. At least $8 US minimum, plus whatever our downlines click. You know how much we are getting a day? Take a wild guess!!!! $1 to $2 a day, plus we have to pay back $40 per month from their stupid automated repurchasing plan!!!!! That means we make pretty much $0 dollars a month!!!!
Inetglobal is B.S. I hope they’re found guilty. It’s been 4 months now, And I have not received my V-Cash card, nor have I seen a single penny. 4 MONTHS ok??!!!! How long does it take to send something from the states? A week or 2? What a waste of my $2060. I hope that Steve Renner guy rots in jail because that’s where he belongs. I just hope the FBI will use the money they froze from his account to pay us something back.
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