RECOMMENDED READING: 66-Year-Old Woman Booked Into Florida Jail Last Month After Traffic Stop May Be ‘Sovereign Citizen’; Police Encounter Yet Another Bizarre Circumstance
"Linda Louise." From May 2012 records at Charlotte County Sheriff's Office.
UPDATED 9:43 a.m. EDT (JULY 1, U.S.A.) Police in Punta Gorda, Fla., arrested a woman last month during a traffic stop. The events on the day of the arrest strongly suggest the woman is an adherent to “sovereign citizen” beliefs.
“Sovereign citizens” may express an irrational belief that laws do not apply to them and that courts have no jurisdiction over them. Case after case has demonstrated the fallaciousness of the claims, many of which spread on the Internet.
Arrest records in Charlotte County, Fla., list the woman’s name as Linda Louise. Her age is listed as 66; her residency is listed as “unknown.”
ABC 7 — WZVN — is reporting that police said the woman’s license tag read, “America DOT 1890262 Exempt.”
Moreover, according to the station’s report, Louise said she was not driving. Rather, she was “traveling.” And she produced documents that purported her name was “Linda Louise Suae Potestate Esse.”
“Suae Potestate Esse” is a phrase that has appeared on websites associated with the so-called “sovereign citizens” movement.
(Visit Latin-Dictionary.org to learn the meaning of the phrase.)
It sometimes proves to be the case that “sovereign citizens” introduce unknowing individuals to schemes and expose the individuals who adopt the schemes to severe legal or economic jeopardy.
Read the ABC 7 story.
Well, it’s all in good fun till they start shooting cops.
I wish I could find the link but on one of the “freeman” forums there was a goldmine of unintentional humor. A 20 something kid up in Canada (yes, the infection is spreading) talked his way into a world of unnecessary hurt by sticking to his “sovereign” principles.
He was driving his girlfriend’s car (with her permission) when a traffic cop took notice of him. His girlfriend had been recently popped for driving on a suspended license but she was also Asian and unless you were familiar with the culture the name wasn’t immediately identifiable as male or female. All the cop wanted was to see his driver’s license and once he was sure the driver of the vehicle had a license to drive he would have let the guy go on his way.
That’s when the trouble started. He wasn’t “driving” he was “traveling” and he wasn’t in a “car”, he was in a “conveyance.” And since we all know you don’t need a license to travel in a conveyance he refused to show the officer his “driver’s” license.
The conversation continued upon these lines till the officer reached in through the only partially closed window with a mind to unlock the “conveyance” door. Our brave sovereign attempted to stop him but failed and since he was resisting when the cop did get the door open he pulled the kid to the ground and cuffed him. Since this guy didn’t claim any undue brutality (only a breach of his sovereignty) I doubt the cop beat him up at all. But the cop did find a container with a significant amount of pot in the car.
The guy got a copy of the incident report and to his credit, posted them along with his account. The cream of the jest was when he said (and I’m going by memory here) that after his trial he shook hands with the cop and the cop “actually admitted that if I’d just have shown him my license the whole thing could have been avoided.”
Oh snap, just found the link:
http: //public.worldfreemansociety.org/index.php/forum/45-i-need-urgent-help/98241-trial-court-march-6-2012-possession-of-cannabis-help
Just remove the spaces.
Why don’t you address the biggest ponzi scheme in history “The Federal Reserve” rather than pick on a widowed grandmother held in solitary confinement who commited no crime and there is no injuried party.
*yawn*. You gotta do a lot better than that.
You left out that Social Security is a Ponzi. You’re slipping.
Maybe it’s different in America, but, down here in the colonies, letting people run amok doing as they please is referred to as anarchy and is something to be avoided.
Seems Grandma Lynn is serving AG Holder’s contempt of court sentence, now that’s Just’US in amerika.
Said the blind man to the deaf mute.
Ever had an unlicensed and uninsured “traveller” T-Bone your car at speed, Mr Witness ??
Worse, still, have you ever had an unlicensed and uninsured “traveller” exercising their “constitutional” rights to have a few beers and drive where they bloody-well-want T-Bone your families’ car/house/child/anything ??
What does the Federal Reserve have to do with a traffic stop in Florida that escalated into an arrest because a woman with 66 years’ life experience allegedly somehow decided she needed no driver’s license or registration and that manufactured tags or papers (read: a political statement) were good enough to put her behind the wheel of an automobile with at least two other occupants?
It would be interesting to know where a woman only four years short of her 70th birthday got the manufactured tags/papers — whether she paid a fellow “sovereign” for them without knowing he or she was a “sovereign” or whether a “sovereign” made them available to her for free on the Internet and thus potentially subjected her to arrest for following the fantasy line, and whether she was a longtime “sovereign” or recent convert.
BTW, what you described as me picking on a widowed grandmother, I’d describe as a means of educating the public about the potential severe downstream consequences of buying into the “sovereign” fantasy. A 66-year-old woman who should be enjoying her life now is in jail because she somehow became a party to the tortured “sovereign” constructions.
And I’d also describe it as a means of educating the public about some of the unbelievable challenges law enforcement is facing these days at the LOCAL level and how one or more officers can be sidetracked for hours when they encounter a “sovereign.” In this instance, it appears to have been a 66-year-old woman, a circumstance that — though incongruous — appears not to be unique.
Two “sovereigns” in their 60s, one a man of 63, the other a woman of 67, were recently convicted in Arkansas effectively after licensing themselves to commit mail fraud against 21,000 targets. When they were arrested, they were found with another “sovereign” — this one 56 years old. He’s in federal custody, too, in part because he allegedly filed false liens (read: manufactured papers) against at least FIVE public officials.
When police officers are attempting to engage a “sovereign” civilly at the scene of a traffic stop only to learn the “sovereign” has divined a construction by which no licensing or registration is required and people are free to do whatever they please, the situation easily can escalate into an intervention (arrest as opposed to the issuance of a ticket on the scene) or even an altercation that requires physical force to contain.
Law-enforcement resources are diverted for however long it takes to contain the situation and get the alleged offender booked, people are put at the risk of injury and other law-enforcement duties (enforcing traffic laws and investigating crimes, major or minor) are sidetracked. Of course, the alleged offender then becomes the responsibility of the local jail, so taxpayers get handed another bill.
Patrick
This construction makes no sense at all. Of course, you did provide yourself an opening to slime the Attorney General of the United States because American politicians have seen fit during a Presidential election year to try to destroy him while disingenuously handing an “opening” to others to do so.
Patrick
I just want to know hwy the lady in the photo is making a “poopy face”??
All this smells profoundly of “Democrat” to me.
Nothing more than “defend the system at all costs”. Read your law and know what you are talking about. She has a valid case and argument, regardless of whether or not I would do the same in her circumstances. I do not begrudge her or judge her for attempting to peacefully explain her case to the police officer and subsequently the court. Every person in our country is due their day in court, why take it away? Why repress hers? So it’s not your bag to be a “Sovereign”, big deal. Don’t pounce on her for trying to explain and be lawful about her situation. She wasn’t speeding, breaking any law or caused anyone injury. She simply had a DOT plate or tag on. Is there a crime here?
Also someone mentioned “unlicensed, unregistered, and/or uninsured”. THere was nothing in this article that says her car was uninsured or I’m sure that would have been made public. You don’t need registration to get insurance, in fact the other way around. I know a guy (distantly) who operates his car in the same way and he said he would never travel in his conveyance uninsured because that’s irresponsible. In this persons view it is irresponsible and unnecessary to pay license and registration fee’s on your own personal property when not used for hire or in course of employment. What’s so illegal about that?
Some people are so quick to judge and this is poisoning our system. Where’s the ACLU for this woman?
Don’t you mean the IMF? or are you a patriot as well, only focused on domestic stuff?
Making a public nuisance of herself, living in a state but don’t consider herself to be subject to that state’s laws, operating a vehicle on public roads without registration with that state or ANY state…
According to her logic, if she refused to recognize any laws in state of Florida as applicable to her, then she can’t enjoy any of the lawful protection afforded to residents either.
Guess that pretty much leaves the freemen to the unincorporated sections of Federal land that doesn’t belong to any state… But wait, there really is no such thing, is there? :) Well, maybe one of the Atolls out in the middle of Micronesia!
That’s right, maybe she should be tried as an illegal alien! :D
So, I take a few minutes to explain my take on an issue of serious public concern and a circumstance that can lead people to LOSE their freedom — and you dismiss it as something that “SMELLS profoundly of ‘Democrat.'” (Emphasis added.)
You seem to believe that Democrats somehow are less American and/or unpatriotic and/or clueless — while they are at once stinking up the joint. Was this 66-year-old woman allegedly with manufactured tags and other highly unusual documentation also somehow targeted by police officers serving as “Democratic operatives?”
Good grief.
In West Memphis, Ark., police officers were ambushed by “sovereigns” in a traffic stop and killed in a hail of gunfire. They died American heroes. Their blood was red. It was neither “Democratic” blood or “Republican” blood. It was “American” blood.
Here is hoping that Americans never forget those two American heroes and refuse to submit to the temptation to describe any events that took place at a gruesome murder scene in political tones.
I have seen absolutely no evidence that this woman will be denied her day in court or her opportunity to influence a judge and/or judge and jury. But there are court-room protocols and etiquette to be followed. One of my concerns is that “sovereigns” will try to change the subject or continue to seek to influence the woman and/or derail the proceedings, thus subjecting the woman to even more legal jeopardy.
They’ll be trying to score political points with the woman’s freedom at stake.
Patrick
As a “sovreign”, she doesn’t recognize power of the police OR the court. In fact, she doesn’t recognize your rights except whatever version of freeman she ascribes to (often, “Constitution”).
Fine if she practices this at home, but on public roads? Bullsh__
Slime the Attorney General? How can any of us ‘slime’ him more than he already has done to this country and the Constitution? Is slime is too good a word for this sycophant of Obama’s? Holder is a disgrace and anyone who defends this POS is ignorant, blind or a fool. Which is it Patrick?
Under your construction, Ace, it would seem that the Attorney General of the United States is a “disgrace,” a “sycophant of Obama’s” and even a “POS,” which stands for “Piece of Shit.”
And if I’m following you correctly, I’m “ignorant, blind or a fool” for offering the Attorney General of the United States a word of support.
So there can be no mistake, let me make it clear: I think Eric Holder is a fine man, a learned man, an inspirational man and an accomplished Attorney General. I think he has been the most effective Attorney General in U.S. history in the battle against white-collar fraud and is acutely aware of the national-security implications/ramifications of the fraud epidemic.
I feel the same way about Ronald Machen Jr., whom certain American politicians now are trying to make a political casualty of the extreme and dangerous partisanship that dominates the Beltway.
I’m sure you’ve heard about Machen; he’s the man who made sure that people defrauded in the $110 million AdSurfDaily Ponzi scheme received justice.
And it’s not lost on me that American politicians — in a bid to put an end to the Obama administration by destroying his Attorney General and making Machen feel the political heat — are trying also to gut the SEC and the CFTC during an era of unprecedented dangers.
Patrick
“Sliming” Holder just for “Fast and Furious” is rather lame, IMHO. F&F is a disaster, that I agree with, but sliming Holder just for “holding up investigation of F&F” is lame.
Things must be different in America.
“Having” insurance here is NOT the same as “having a policy which will pay the victims when the insured person does not hold a valid drivers’ license”
K. Chang: Normally I would agree, but there was a death of a border patrol agent the direct result of this idiotic program. It becomes a question of “holding up” or “stone walling” the investigation.
Only the Congressional committee investigating this knows what the true situation is. Obviously when it was submitted to the House for a vote, the members felt contempt of Congress was warranted. There were plenty of Democrats that voted for holding him in contempt. That alone should tell you something.
What I despised was some members of Congress trying to make this an issue about race when it had nothing to do with race. Obama didn’t help himself when he claimed “Executive Privilege.” This from a man who claimed he was going to have the most transparent administration ever. So much for transparency.
There are a lot of “theories” out there as to what F&F was truly about, but they are just that theories. It makes no difference what we think, or even believe, at the end of the day the US Congress in a bipartisan vote found him in Contempt of Congress. it wasn’t even a close vote.
I had no idea what “F&F” was referring to. For those like me, this describes it well:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/y-big-story-fast-furious-meets-wire-213803220.html
Tony H: very nice summary, and matches my thoughts. There are some SNAFUs on DOJ’s part, but “contempt”? Someone’s going way above his paygrade in order to make an impression for the next election.
Judge Dale’s series
Should answer all of your questions
http://lucas2012infos.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/judge-dale-retired-the-great-american-adventure-secrets-of-america-part-1-5-25-may-2012/
If you can’t read go here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ0dIUNmfAA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Ken, Ace, Eye, I don’t think I need to remind you how powerful and nefarious Adhesion Contracts are. What all these 14th Amendment Citizens don’t know that we know is that the Federal Government can only exercise power, “jurisdiction” in that ten by ten mile District of Criminals, unless we give up our sovereignty and submit (literally “stand under” or “understand”) their quote unquote “authority.”
This is why there’s so much fine print in every contract we sign. It’s to hide the fact that by signing our names (all caps or mixed caps) to that contract we are, by inches or miles giving up our God given freedoms. The sad thing is we no longer need to put wet ink on blank paper in this internet age, we can surrender our freedoms just through the very action of posting on a blog. I know most of the posters here would scoff at this notion but I think you guys are well educated enough to know what I’m saying here.
And this place is the worst, look high and low and you’ll never find the clause in Patrick’s posting agreement which grants the Federal Government jurisdiction over all your lawful commercial freedoms just because you posted here but tell me brothers, do you doubt it’s there? I didn’t think so, you guys are too smart.
My advice, discontinue posting to this blog Sine Die. You guys know what that means.
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