Guenther Was Charged With Financial Fraud In 1990s

The de facto head of the ASD Members Business Association (ASDMBA) Trust was charged by federal prosecutors with 11 counts of bank fraud in July 1994, according to records.

Bob Guenther pleaded guilty to a single count in December 1994. In a plea agreement, prosecutors dropped 10 counts.

ASDMBA members said Guenther has refused to provide details on how the association had spent money it began collecting last summer to ensure contributors’ legal interests were covered in the AdSurfDaily Ponzi scheme case.

After a year-long series of delays in the 1994 Texas bank-fraud case, Guenther was sentenced to three years’ probation, in December 1995. He was ordered to pay $76,134 in restitution, which U.S. District Judge Paul Brown labeled “due immediately.”

In July 1998, his probation was modified, enabling Guenther to pay restitution in installments of $3,000 monthly. Why restitution remained unpaid more than two years after sentencing is unclear. Brown extended Guenther’s probation by one year to ensure payment.

Guenther made good on the restitution and was discharged from probation in April 1999.

Guenther was charged in Maricopa County, Arizona, with two felony counts of aggravated harrassment March 13. Police alleged he violated a court order that prohibited him from making harassing contact with Cheyenne Mountain and Affiliates, an Arizona company.

ASDMBA members said Guenther routinely used threats and menacing talk when the subject of his management of the association’s business affairs was brought up.

One of Guenther’s lawyers in the bank-fraud case was Michael McColloch. McColloch’s name was referenced in an an Oct. 27, 2008, document prepared by Dallas attorney Larry Friedman.

The document advised Guenther on how to behave when he interacted with a federal prosecutor in the ASD case, and warned him to quit threatening ASDMBA members.

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19 Responses to “Guenther Was Charged With Financial Fraud In 1990s”

  1. Patrick,

    It just get’s better and better. Guenther is far from innocent, as we all suspected. As a self declared resident of both Arizona and Texas some of his rants and threats were done by “interstate communication”, namely, email and internet forums, bringing things into Federal jurisdiction. Bob seems to have experience with them already, eh? Perhaps he needs yet another lawyer as he seems to have one in every state for apparently a good reason.

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  2. You are so old news Patrick, that story played out in the late eighties and early nineties. On TV, the Dallas Morning News, the Dallas Times Herald, Houston Chronicle, 60 Minutes and 20/20/..

    But thanks for bringing it up, it will show the people that when I am right, not even the threat and intimidation of the USAG, FBI or prison can make me do something I know is not right or make me go away or make me turn on my partners.

    If you will print it, give me your FAX number, I will fax you a 6 page summary of the entire case. US v. Robert L. Guenther Cause No. 4:94CR37, as written on March 31, 1996.

    I can also provide you with two judical reviews encouraging me to process a request for a Presidential pardon, but then a pardon would mean I did something, which I did not. I will except nothing less than the charges be expunged

    Seven years of investigation, hundreds of thousands of tax payers dollars wasted investigating and intimidating me because I would not roll over on my S&L Partners in a failed Texas S&L. Seven years and ALL the Feds could come up with is I didn’t pay 11 automobiles off ON TIME… Not at the S&L, but at a different bank, City National Bank, another failed Texas Bank.

    There is so much more, including the unprecedented decision of Judge Paul Brown, known for dealing out maximum sentences in the 80’s and 90’s S&L fiasco, when he departured downward six levels from the Federal sentencing guidelines to give me the least possible sentence, Probation until the restitution of $76,134 was paid, and a $25.00 fine.
    The restitution was required because the failed bank, City National Bank, while under the supervision of the FHLBB, did not timely file a Proof of Claim in Bankruptcy Court, and the $76, 134 in vehicle sales proceeds I placed with the administrator, was given to other secured creditors

    As a side note, evidence was presented on my behalf, and read into the record, that over the course of four years, 1984-1989, my dealership made repayments to that very bank, City National Bank, on some 4000 vehicles representing $36,000,000 in principal payments, and to GMAC on over 22,000 new vehicles representing $200,000,000 in floor plan payments. All in a timely manner, not one violation on over 26,000 transactions….

    The best the Feds could come up with, I did not pay off 11 vehicles worth $76, 134, ON TIME….

    So thank you for posting this, that should show everyone,
    when right, in pursuit of what is right or when I have done nothing wrong, I never, never, ever give in or give up………

    Semper Fi……

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  3. I am still waiting for the ‘real’ Bob G. to show up. At the rate he is going, he is giving “Sybil” a run for her money.

    One has to wonder if his previous bout with cancer, as well as all the medications, hasn’t affected his behavior in some way.

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  4. Isn’t it somewhat ironic that one of the things that “The Merchant” berated Jack for, was for being a convicted felon. And yet it seems that Blowhard himself has had plenty of experience of the wrong side of the law. Except that Jack hasn’t asked for any money & promised some sort of return.

    Yes, Little Bobbie, I’m sure it was all a government conspiracy, and that the FBI were out to “get” you. Perhaps they would have stopped if you have told them about your ex-marine buddies. Did any of the FBI agents have any small children you could make veiled threats to?

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  5. Gee Bob, I can’t help but wonder, have you ever been involved in a business that didn’t go under? I know people who have had failed businesses before, but your’s don’t just run out of money, they end up in criminal courts more often than most. Did the SEC close your lemonaid stand? Ever have a paper route charged with any felonies?

    It’s all for the best I guess, from what I can tell, if you ever gathered together enough cash to treat someone at Burger King, you might be dangerous. If you had the sense of a turnip you’d fade off to the sunset and live on social security before you end up in more trouble.

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  6. In case you haven’t noticed, we’re laughing at you Bob. Your almost, but not quite as entertaining as the Arby’s Indians.

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  7. This can’t be the real Bob. It’s too coherent and civil. I will wait patiently until Patrick verifies the text contains the secret code.

    Until then, perhaps our time would be better spent petitioning Maricopa Joe to allow Bob to register…at Victoria’s Secret…in the event that Bob’s case doesn’t turn out as he predicts (that wouldn’t happen, would it?). We could all contribute an item thereby saving the tax payers of Arizona a few bucks and supporting an American business. We’d call it our “stimulus package”.

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  8. I may need counseling after that image, thanks.
    But back on point. Bob, you’re not that good at spin control. Aside from you saying it, (which in itself makes it pretty likely a flat out lie) I just have a hard time believing the federal government wasted the resources to convict you of felonies (how do you Vote as a convicted felon?) for being behind on your car payments. Does anyone know of anyone ever convicted of a felony for being late on a loan payment?
    Come clean now Bob, ’cause you know what? We’re gonna find out.

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  9. I have to wonder if Friedman’s “but wait, there’s more” bonus offering to Jack in his litigation package was a mistake. It’s little too convenient and serves too many agenda’s. Of course, it’s unclear if the document was faxed as it states but now that it’s public, Friedman would have to be able to back up his assertions if it was entered into evidence in Arizona.

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  10. Yet another one blaming the evil government! (one exclamation mark only) It seems to have become a custom with those involved in any legal proceedings relating to ASD Is it contagious?

    Sounds as if Bob and Andy have even more in common than we realized.

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  11. Kudos to Patrick for some great investigative reporting!!! Bob Guenther no doubt has more skeletons in his closet and I am sure because of his charming ‘bedside manor’ ASDMBA victims and others will have a field day beating the bushes for’like’information.

    Bob Guenther’s “spin” that this was nothing more than a ‘prosecution for some late payments’ to a failed bank that had handled some of his wholesale financing, just does not sound reasonable. Yes there were late payments….several years late….some $76,000 in payments made under Court Order and part of Terms of Probation.

    Far more more money however was paid by Bob to his Criminal Defense lawyers to get the other 10 counts dismissed and Probation instead of Jail time. I wonder if the Federal Prosecutor in this matter has the same recollection as Bob does and/or what his ‘spin’ would be? Federal Prosecutors just don’t go after people for “late payments” or even ‘defaults’ on legitimate and legal loans. It simply does not happen.

    There will be more ‘breaking stories’ soon coming out of the Bob Guenther/Larry Friedman ASDMBA affair, Patrick will get the ‘Exclusive”.

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  12. This begs the next question. If Bob is a felon, how does he own any guns?

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  13. As Bob likes everyone to know about my past I can tell you in Florida you have to apply for the rights to vote to the clemency board. After 39.6 years last year I was finally able to vote (and yes Bob I voted for Obama). Since his charges were Federal he would have to apply to the Federal Department of Probation and the Federal Clemency Board in order to vote. Without special permission he can never carry a gun unless he receives a FULL pardon.

    As Bob continued to inform me over and over about people in glass houses should not throw stones then I think that he should have heeded his own warnings.

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  14. Don: This begs the next question.If Bob is a felon, how does he own any guns?

    Well, G Gordon Liddy does not own any guns, but he has said on his radio show that ‘Mrs Liddy is better armed than most small armies”

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  15. Gentleman,

    Unlike many others in these forum, rooms, threads, including PatrickPretty, Wayne Tidderington (real nameJD Sullivan) Don, Gregg Evans(maybe),alasycia,dirty_bird,Tony H and the hundreds of other “internet” interested parties, I USE MY REAL NAME, ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER.. I am listed in the Coppell Texas phone book, and in the Scottsdale Phx phonebook.. Why?? Because I am a MAN, not afraid of face to face confortation, and willing to fight for what I believe in, in a court of law, across a conference table, or in a field somewhere…

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  16. Robert Guenther: I USE MY REAL NAME, ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER.. I am listed in the Coppell Texas phone book, and in the Scottsdale Phx phonebook..

    Let me fill in the blanks Bob since you did not:

    REAL NAME: John Doe

    ADDRESS: 123 Main St. Anytown, USA

    PHONE: 555-I AM A MAN

    Whew, glad that is out in the open.

    8<)

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  17. Robert Guenther: Gentleman,Unlike many others in these forum, rooms, threads, including PatrickPretty, Wayne Tidderington (real nameJD Sullivan) Don, Gregg Evans(maybe),alasycia,dirty_bird,Tony H and the hundreds of other “internet” interested parties, I USE MY REAL NAME, ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER.. I am listed in the Coppell Texas phone book, and in the Scottsdale Phx phonebook.. Why??Because I am a MAN, not afraid of face to face confortation, and willing to fight for what I believe in, in a court of law, across a conference table, or in a field somewhere…

    So what’s your point?

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  18. Gregg Evans is my real name.
    And unlike you, I have never been convicted of a felony, never fallen for a two bit ponzi scheme, never asked anyone for money to pursue a case I or they had no standing in, I don’t get my rocks off calling people names, (well, okay, I do make fun of you, but it’s hard not to, Bob) I don’t threaten people or make a general blowhard out of myself and I’v e never accepted over $100,000 of other people’s money and then refused to account for it, or indeed try to browbeat anyone who questions where it went.
    I have spent some of my free time trying to disuade people of limited financial savvy from falling for what I consider con men like you and Andy and any number of other petty thieves on the internet. Unlike many of your other critics I have always pointed out my opinion that you haven’t broken any laws in your stewardship if the ASDMBA, but I have also not made any secret of the fac that I think you’re perhaps a little more complicated than you would have other believe. I also think you’re a borderline sociopath and nuttier than a Texas Pecan log, but as I’m not that kind of Doctor, the sociopath is an honest opinion that I admit I’m not clinically qualified to make, and I’m not an expert on Pecan Logs either.

    That said, without being able to put my finger exactly on why, it’s my opnion you’re not a good person, not someone anyone should interact with unless legally required to and I pity your family who cannot easily disavow you.

    And when I start asking people to send me money, I’ll provide the exact location of the well armed bunker complex, but until then, it’s not really any of your business.

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  19. Robert Guenther: I USE MY REAL NAME, ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER.. I am listed in the Coppell Texas phone book, and in the Scottsdale Phx phonebook.. Why?? Because I am a MAN, not afraid of face to face confortation, and willing to fight for what I believe in, in a court of law, across a conference table, or in a field somewhere…

    Bob probably has to register with state probation and parole officials every time he moves, so he might as well give his correct name and address. Or maybe his ll counts of bank fraud involved opening accounts in fictitious names and then defaulting, and he’s been told by Federal judicial and/or law enforcement officials that if he ever uses an alias again, the other l0 counts will be reinstated. It’s not all that uncommon for a person who has used an alias or two when committing a crime to be forbidden by the courts to ever use an alias again. If a person who has told that he may never use an alias again uses an alias, that in itself is a crime. Maybe that’s why we see Bob or Robert, or if it’s Marie, Marie says that “she” is Bob’s secretary, writing for him. In other words, Bob would claim that he didn’t try to hide his identity.

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