News And Notes: Surf’s Up Poster Calls For ‘Militia’ To Rise Against Government; BizAdSplash Urges Members Not To Contact MasterCard Vendors

NEWS: A member of the Pro-AdSurfDaily Surf’s Up forum says he is willing to “Bear Arms in line with the Bill of Rights” and storm Washington, D.C., if a “militia” can be formed.

In a separate thread, the poster said the government ruined his life last year when it seized assets tied to the Florida autosurf firm and that he is ready to fight to the “DEATH.”

“If anyone from the US Government reads this,” the poster said, “yes[,] look out because you are now my enemy. May God Bless Andy [Bowdoin] and all ASD members. I’m done with working within the system. I will destroy the entire US Government if that is what it takes to serve justice for ASD members.”

The incendiary remarks were contained in two threads, one of which was titled “Letter from Andy.” A poster within the thread had criticized Bowdoin for not conducting a conference call he had promised nearly three months ago in a letter to members published at Surf’s Up, opining that Bowdoin should get “jail time.”

In response to the post critical of Bowdoin, yet another poster appealed to the Surf’s Up Mods to cleanse the forum of “rats.” A Mod assured the poster that, if the purported rat again posted “negative garbage” about Bowdoin, the offending post would be deleted.

The Mod said nothing about the “militia” post.

NOTE: In court filings in a racketeering lawsuit against Bowdoin, ASD attorney Robert Garner and Golden Panda Ad Builder President Clarence Busby, one of Busby’s pleadings defines him as a minister of 30 years’ standing and uses the abbreviation “Rev.” at least 120 times.

Golden Panda has ceded to the government more than $14 million it had gathered in only days last summer as the so-called “Chinese” version of ASD. In the months that followed, a new, Busby-connected surf known as BizAdSplash (BAS) opened, touting an offshore location.

Early promoters identified Busby as the owner, but others defined him as a consultant.

As a marketing proposition, identifying Busby in any capacity of authority at BAS was odd regardless of any title he held, in no small part because he consented to the forfeiture of Golden Panda’s assets in September, saying he had relied on ASD’s assertions that the program was legal.

Only in the incongruous world of the autosurf could a man responsible for a stunning, $14 million loss of investor funds be positioned as a marketing plus.

Work-around?

One seized Golden Panda account contained precisely $6 million, according to federal prosecutors.

Choosing his words carefully in a sworn court filing in August, Busby said none of the Golden Panda money came from Bowdoin or ASD, that Busby had provided an unspecified amount of “seed” capital from his real-estate business and that Golden Panda “obtained all other start up money from 34 founders.”

Amounts Busby provided personally or obtained from the “founders” weren’t disclosed in Busby’s filing.

Busby’s filing, however, did not rule out the possibility that one or more “founders” provided capital from “profits” paid to them by ASD and deposited in their individual bank accounts and that “profits” then were forwarded to Golden Panda.

Nor does it rule out the possibility that Golden Panda seed money from one or more “founders” flowed to the company after the “founders” deposited checks from individual ASD downline members in the “founders'” private bank accounts, shifted a corresponding amount of “ad-packs” to ASD downline members by using ASD’s internal system, and then forwarded the desposit amount or portion thereof to Golden Panda, instead of ASD.

Busby said a prosecution claim that a “majority” of Golden Panda’s funds came from ASD was “false.”

There have been numerous reports that ASD prospects paid sponsors directly for ad-pack purchases, that the sponsors deposited the money in their individual checking accounts at their local banks and then used ASD’s internal system to transfer ad-packs to the individual prospects.

The approach was pitched as a work-around, because ASD was having trouble posting payments from individual members and getting them started in the “rebate” program, which was purported in advertisements to pay 1 percent a day or 30 percent a month.

Given this scenario, it is possible that huge sums paid by ASD “rally” attendees were deposited into the private bank accounts of individual ASD promoters and that the deposits were routed directly to Golden Panda, instead of ASD.

“Neither Bowdoin nor ASD provided any capital,” Busby said.

Busby’s claim about Golden Panda’s seed money would be true — at least in a technical sense — if any of Golden Panda’s “founders” also were ASD promoters who deposited money from ASD downline members directly in the promoters’ back accounts, transferred a corresponding amount of ad-packs to the members using ASD’s internal system, and then forwarded the funds to Golden Panda, instead of ASD.

It is known that at least one of Golden Panda’s “founders” was a highly visible ASD promoter who helped the company organize rallies at which millions of dollars were collected. It also is known that some ASD prospects who attended the rallies paid sponsors directly for “ad-pack” purchases and that the sponsors deposited the money in their individual checking accounts and transferred a corresponding amount of “ad-packs” to the prospects by using ASD’s internal system.

It is possible that a significant chunk of the money seized from Golden Panda originated with one or more “founders” who initiated private ad-pack transactions with individual ASD downline members, deposited the sums in their personal checking accounts and forwarded the funds to Golden Panda.

‘Chief Consultant’

Busby now has officially been declared the “Chief Consultant” of BAS, in a news released marked a “must read” at the BAS website.

Unlike Busby’s court filings in the RICO case, the BAS news release does not identify him as a minister or use an abbreviation such as “Rev.” It simply identifies him as “Clarence Busby.”

Busby was enjoined by a federal judge in the 1990s from breaking securities laws, after he was implicated in three prime-bank schemes by the Securities and Exchange Commission. The government took mercy on Busby, waiving certain financial penalties and not interfering in a bankruptcy petition he filed.

In the BAS news release, Busby assured members that BAS had “spent a tremendous amount of time and thousands of dollars on economists, attorneys and other professionals and with their advice have built this company in a very responsible manner.”

Busby did not identify the economists, attorneys or other professionals. Nor did he mention the past encounter with the SEC or the current litigation involving ASD and Golden Panda Ad Builder. Busby did, however, provide an inspirational quotation from auto tycoon Henry Ford.

Mum’s The Word

Elsewhere on the news pages of BAS, the company urged members not to contact vendors associated with its use of MasterCard with any questions about the BAS program. The information appeared under a bright red headline titled, “URGENT INFORMATION FOR MASTERCARD USERS.”

“At Biz Ad Splash, we have worked very hard to develop great relationships with some of the finest international banking services available,” BAS said. “We continually strive to maintain a good standing with these institutions in order to provide the best services possible to the Customer/Associates of Biz Ad Splash.”

Last year, ASD announced that it was finalizing a deal with a company known as Praebius Communications that would result in a cash infusion of $200 million. ASD withdrew the news release after members responded by contacting Praebius in a bid to confirm or deny the deal.

Some ASD members were infuriated that other members actually questioned the claim, describing even rational doubts as an act of disloyalty.

In its MasterCard news release, BAS openly discouraged members from contacting any vendors to get answers to questions.

“[W]e strongly urge our Biz Ad Splash Customer/Associates not to contact these vendors with questions concerning withdrawal requests or Biz Ad Splash card deposits,” BAS said.

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31 Responses to “News And Notes: Surf’s Up Poster Calls For ‘Militia’ To Rise Against Government; BizAdSplash Urges Members Not To Contact MasterCard Vendors”

  1. AMAZING…..repeating what Andy Bowdoin himself admitted in his pro se filings and in the proffer letter gets one castigated at Surf’s Up, while the threat of insurrection, armed action against the government, and threats of violence against members of the government is well-tolerated if not applauded.

    The member in question with respect to the “rats” comment (he’s posted here too) somehow doesn’t see any of this as incongruous. He continues to be a supporter of the ASD Ponzi, and is involved in, and pushing, the AVG Ponzi. His grown children (Melissa and Nick) must be SO proud of daddy. What sort of morals/ethics are they learning from this guy?

    That BAS continues to operate is amazing. Another poster here and elsewhere, who is held by some former ASD members in high regard, is one of the pimps for BAS. Steve Watt is likely using the bait-and-switch approach. First, he was a strong supporter of ASD, then once the writing on the wall became clear, switched sides to be an opponent of Bowdoin. Lest one think that he is anti-Ponzi, he is just posing as anti-Ponzi to get new people signed up in the latest Ponzi he is promoting (BAS) uing the “trust” he is supposedly building up by being able to claim that he can identify scams.

    Sheesh, you have to wonder where the authorities are in all of this…….

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  2. Hi Entertained,

    Entertained: Sheesh, you have to wonder where the authorities are in all of this…….

    It wouldn’t surprise me if the answer to this question is “close.”

    Patrick

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  3. Ah yes, Steve “Mr Integrity” Watt. One of Alasycia’s biz ad forum’s “friends”. Rather a strange choice of friend for a self-styled anti-scam campaigner and educator. Mind you, Watts is only one in an extensive list of Alasycia’s ponzi-pimping friends so they may be friends for investigative purposes only.

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  4. Entertained,

    You worry too much. Relax, take a deep breathe and try enjoying life once in awhile….

    Well, work is calling! I slank away in style in my pin-striped- suit, fedora hat, alligator skin shoes waving a cane. My girls hanging on both sides as I leave the room……

    Bait and Switch Pimp Daddy

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  5. Pistol,

    Your still around UncleFesta? You found me out! OMG…. I’m one of Alasycia’s biz ad forum’s friends. I wonder if that information will make headline news soon? Who is Alasycia? Is she a Prostitute?

    Hear that? I heard the recess bell go off. You better get going “kido.” * I stick my pimp cane out in front of you as you ran back to the classroom.”

    Ohhhh I’m sorry, Festa. My Bad….

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  6. Steve,

    I probably do worry to much.

    I see you don’t deny the label…..

    Steve: Entertained,You worry too much. Relax, take a deep breathe and try enjoying life once in awhile…. Well, work is calling! I slank away in style in my pin-striped- suit, fedora hat, alligator skin shoes waving a cane. My girls hanging on both sides as I leave the room……Bait and Switch Pimp Daddy

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  7. Steve,

    Ignoring personal comments as to anyone’s sexual morality, I am surprised that you, who have professed to be so open minded, have not taken a closer a look at a couple of the schemes that you openly promote.

    The ends do not justify the means. We all would like to make money and most of us have families to support in a difficult climate. ASD was the first venture into illegal territory for many of us, and we have paid a high price for our ignorance. HOWEVER, ASD has happened, and you, of all people, have more information about the development of the AG prosecution than most. For the most part, we have understood what was wrong with ASD and why we should never have been involved. And that is without even taking account of the internal shennigans of the ASD owners and management!

    It is beyond the understanding of the majority of those who post here how anyone with this knowledge can knowingly encourage people to join similar programmes which we KNOW are of dubious legality and dubious sustainability. In addition, even if they could show sustainability, none of these schemes can demonstrate that they are provided genuine advertising products of the value at which they are being sold, and, as such, are dealing in unregistered securities, which is totally illegal and everyone knows it.

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  8. I’m inclined to think that a HUGE sweep of law enforcement is very “close” as Patrick stated above.

    I fail to believe that 1.) THe authorities aren’t building a case on AVG, 2.) quoting recent national headlines, violent threats would never be tolerated against the US Government.

    The only thing that “ruined” that idiots life is his greed in dumping a bunch of money into a scam like ASD.

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  9. I’m amazed that even the moderators of that cult-like forum would leave that post up for 5 minutes. I have a feeling someone will be getting a visit by a large black sedan soon filled with guys wearing dark suits and earpieces.

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  10. I found it strange that Steve did not have a thread to the good “professor” being charged with tax issues, or in his breaking news link. Guess 4 counts over tax issues was not considered important enough to even get mentioned. Strange since the good “professor” was such an ardent supporter of ASD, AVGA, and probably the other two clones.

    But I am sure this was just an administrative oversight due to Steve’s busy schedule, as he has alluded to above. Right Steve? Just a helpful hint, you need to take off the dark sun glasses because you are getting burned.

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  11. Lynndel Edgington,

    Yes Lynn, I’m a very busy man, but have rescheduled all my events with Primavera 6 so I could personally reply back to you. Thanks for your Omen regarding being burnt. I really appreciate your sincerity and effort you make to think of someone else besides yourself. I’ll keep my shades on thank you..

    ***** Intermission interjection question *****
    Wondering if you lived in Mission Viejo very long? I used to live in Lake Forrest some years ago.

    Regarding my friend Patrick Moriarty, Oh course I heard about his tax problems with the govenrnment… Why would I want to post that information on my site? He’s got cancer and is dying. You have been around for years yourself and should realize I’m showing some humanity. But then, you might be the type that would be happy viewing an execution.

    I will tell you this Lynn, you need to not worry about others and worry about your own state of affairs. Life on this planet is short lived. Seek the positive, and find it. Seek the negativity and find that too…

    Steve

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  12. alasyciaIt is beyond the understanding of the majority of those who post here how anyone with this knowledge can knowingly encourage people to join similar programmes which we KNOW are of dubious legality and dubious sustainability.

    It shouldn’t be beyond anybodies understanding who has “invested” in a ponzi themselves, because you have all done the same thing.It is quite simple really. Ponzi participants encourage other people to join in order to profit. As always it is down to one thing and one thing only GREED

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  13. It seems one of the moderators has deleted that post, after it was mentioned it’s against most TOS rules.

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  14. Steve: Lynndel Edgington,Yes Lynn, I’m a very busy man, but have rescheduled all my events with Primavera 6 so I could personally reply back to you. Thanks for your Omen regarding being burnt. I really appreciate your sincerity and effort you make to think of someone else besides yourself. I’ll keep my shades on thank you..***** Intermission interjection question *****Wondering if you lived in Mission Viejo very long? I used to live in Lake Forrest some years ago. Regarding my friend Patrick Moriarty, Oh course I heard about his tax problems with the govenrnment… Why would I want to post that information on my site? He’s got cancer and is dying. You have been around for years yourself and should realize I’m showing some humanity. But then, you might be the type that would be happy viewing an execution. I will tell you this Lynn, you need to not worry about others and worry about your own state of affairs. Life on this planet is short lived. Seek the positive, and find it. Seek the negativity and find that too… Steve

    Thanks for your reply. Yes I do live in Mission Viejo, and know Lake Forest well. While I understand about the good “professor’s” illness, it is amazing to me that you, nor the Surf’s Up forum would even give it a mention. It was breaking news, and it does have a lot to do with ASD, pro se filings, and a whole host of other issues. The fact one has cancer should not enter into this at all. I guess if Bernard Madoff had cancer, or if Andy had cancer then all the news about Madoff and ASD would have been off-limits if I am to follow your logic.

    As for if I enjoy watching an execution? Well, if the person being executed had raped an 8-year old girl, cut her up in pieces, and had tried to do it to another young girl, you bet I would relish being at his execution. You see, it depends on the crime. But the last time I checked, the good “professor” was not being executed or charged with a crime that would warrant execution. So your point was?

    My finding it interesting that you, nor the Surf’s Up mods would post breaking news about the good “professor” was interesting, because I assure you if it had been a “naysayer” who had cancer, it would have been headline news in bold letters; humanity be damned.

    As for you keeping your sun glasses on, that’s your choice and right. At least you have been warned that you are about to get burned, so don’t let it be a shock to you when it happens. There are other “C” words besides cancer than can be just as damaging.

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  15. Lynndel EdgingtonAs for if I enjoy watching an execution?Well, if the person being executed had raped an 8-year old girl, cut her up in pieces, and had tried to do it to another young girl, you bet I would relish being at his execution.

    Care to share what other spectacles Good Christian Fellows like yourself find enjoyable and entertaining?

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  16. alasycia: Steve,Ignoring personal comments as to anyone’s sexual morality, I am surprised that you, who have professed to be so open minded, have not taken a closer a look at a couple of the schemes that you openly promote.The ends do not justify the means. We all would like to make money and most of us have families to support in a difficult climate. ASD was the first venture into illegal territory for many of us, and we have paid a high price for our ignorance. HOWEVER, ASD has happened, and you, of all people, have more information about the development of the AG prosecution than most. For the most part, we have understood what was wrong with ASD and why we should never have been involved. And that is without even taking account of the internal shennigans of the ASD owners and management!It is beyond the understanding of the majority of those who post here how anyone with this knowledge can knowingly encourage people to join similar programmes which we KNOW are of dubious legality and dubious sustainability. In addition, even if they could show sustainability, none of these schemes can demonstrate that they are provided genuine advertising products of the value at which they are being sold, and, as such, are dealing in unregistered securities, which is totally illegal and everyone knows it.

    You are, as usual right and wrong Jenny. I and the ASDMBA have more information than Watts, Patrick Pretty, ASD-Biz and ASD Surfs Up combined. In fact, I am beginning to believe we have more information than Cowden and the USAG office.

    The ASD knockoff’s that are going on right now, right under the nose of William Cowden and the USAG office were all posted as ASD knockoffs last November and December on the http://www.asadmba.com.
    I attended a rally, right here in Dallas last year, and busted Steve Renner (Not his real name) He is a friend and follower of Andy’s. His scam AdPacs, http://www.adpacs.com/index.html

    That of course was before he changed the name to INetGlobal…. http://www.inetglobal.com

    You are nestled up in a that small little village on the coast of Granada, Spain, expecting to make your hundreds of thousands with ASD and advertising your website http://www.alasyciagranada.com

    But left wing liberal socialist cry babies like you, Jack Arons and the “Ning Nine” have so maligned our association that people just got tired of all your bullshit, lost interest or just moved on. What was it you invested in ASD, $250 if I remember.. And you still cant find anything better to do after almost one year than whine over your $250??

    Why dont you do something constructive and start a international petition calling for the US Attorney General’s office to look into all these ASD knockoffs and ask why Andy and Busby are not going to jail. See if you can get Cowden to issue a statement that will guarantee the USAG’s office is going to give all the ASD and Panda money back to the rightful claimants..

    So much all these 100,000 people could be doing..

    Power is in numbers… Especially now with our current administration and Odumbba..

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  17. Bob, I find the idea that you know more than all the authorities and blogs combined as far fetched as the idea that the Surfs Up crowd have of dealing with the US Government. And, furthermore, if you do have information which would hel the membership of ASD and the Government to recuperate more money for the victims of the ASD affair, why dont you just go ahead and pass it onto them and let them deal with it as they see fit and without publicity, just like the majority of those who wish to fight internet crime.

    The ASDMBA was set up to protect the members of ASDMBA. As the money and property has now been forfeited and as there is no possibility nor purpose in gaining standing for ASDMBA members, ASDMBA has outlived its usefulness. There is serious doubt as to whether your recuperation of GP funds may or may not be classified as obstruction of justice, and for ASD nothing has been recuperated.

    It is amusing to see that you credit the reason for the problems of ASD to the left wing political radicals. If memory serves me well, there are protesters from all parts of the political spectrum , including extreme right wing republicans who have protested about your conduct with the ASDMBA and with its funds. Thereagain, I guess it is simpler for you to accuse them of being left wingers than face the truth.

    Many of us have a continued interest in the way the ASD case is panning out because we have an interest in curtailing internet scams, not because of the money we may or may not have lost in that operation. You have made a lot of noise about the suffering of ASD members, but now only appear to be interested in the wealthy ones. It may be hard for you to understand, but some of us continue because we give a damn, even though we dont get paid.

    Your own unpatriotic comments towards your democratically elected president do you no credit either. What we need at this present time is a change in overall US legislation to outlaw this kind of programme completely, and therefore avoid all the to-ing and fro-ing in the courts. Now THAT is something to work towards, rather than pester the life out of Bill Cowden who has enough on his plate without your histrionics in representation of heaven knows who.

    (By the way, thanks for publicity for my off-line business! Good to see you all folks, and we do supply the US and Canada with our custom painted angels too.)

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  18. “It is amusing to see that you credit the reason for the problems of ASD to the left wing political radicals.” should read ASDMBA

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  19. Barb McIntyre decided to join the militia………unfortunately the surplus store did not have any camo pants in her waist size…..

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  20. Well, that makes total sense, now. Bob Gunther knows more than anyone including those who investigate things for a living. Is there no end to his abilities? Is he SuperBob?? I seem to recall someone saying the only info Bob ever gave them was to lead them away from Bob. And then they stopped using his info as he could not follow protocols.

    But, they forgot that “SuperBob Guenther is above mortal rules. Harassment and choking are his favorite tools”.

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  21. And like the Alamo, he’s the last guy standing.. LOL

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  22. But left wing liberal socialist cry babies like you, Jack Arons and the “Ning Nine” have so maligned our association that people just got tired of all your bullshit, lost interest or just moved on.

    So what happened to all those wealthy professional businessmen who are still backing your ADSMBA efforts?

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  23. The Surf’s Up site is down for “maintenance ” right now. I wonder if the threatening emails will be gone, when it comes back up??

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  24. Marci, most all of Ning is down for maintenance. Not just Surf’s Up.

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  25. I use to get up in the morning,walk out get the paper,read the news and comics.Now I just read the news you all are funnier than the comics.
    Your attitiudes are why our world is in such a mess.Grow up ,become knowledagble like Bob and we wouldn’t have invested 100 million in a scam. Hmm!I wonder what that makes those who are doing the investigating since they have bought the auto manufacturere and Banks.Perhaps knowledgeable like Bob

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  26. Just when I thought Convicted Felon Bob Guenther couldn’t get any more outrageous, well, there you are.

    Bob, even for you, that’s a post for the “All time stupid” list. You still don’t seem to get it, do you. WE ARE ALL LAUGHING AT YOU! Me, the victims, the authorities, random people on the street. I wouldn’t be surprised if your own family locks up the steak knives when you get home. You’re gonna be real popular in prison.

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  27. Gregg Evans: Just when I thought Convicted Felon Bob Guenther couldn’t get any more outrageous, well, there you are.

    Up until now, baiting Blowhard Bob has been funny (in a strange sort of way)

    Now, it’s just plain sad watching the man sinking further into his delusional nightmares.

    The poor guy’s now completely lost the plot.

    His current behavior can’t be accidental.

    Surely he’s setting up for an insanity plea.

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  28. BizAdSplash Surf

    Is this one in trouble? It seems they are adding a texting platform.

    I’m not in it but am watching it as some have joined it.

    Thanks!

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  29. Sally,

    BAS is a known Ponzi scheme….stay away….one of the posters here is a promoter of this scam….

    Sally: BizAdSplash SurfIs this one in trouble? It seems they are adding a texting platform.I’m not in it but am watching it as some have joined it.Thanks!

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