Questions AdViewGlobal Members Might Want To Ask The ‘Management Team’ As Surf Sinks Into Cash-Out Abyss

AdViewGlobal (AVG) has announced the suspension of cash-outs and a decision to make an 80/20 program mandatory. AVG members should ask the “management team” if there is any possibility that any of the following three things happened.

1.) Money paid to AdSurfDaily members by ASD ended up in the AVG system. (For example, a member got paid by ASD, and then later moved the money to AVG. Or, alternatively, an ASD member sold ad-packs directly to ASD downline members, deposited the money in his personal bank account, and later moved the money to AVG.)
2.) “Founders” and insiders of AVG used fictitious paper profits that once existed in ASD as their capital contribution to AVG.
3.) Founders/insiders of AVG took a disproportionate share of AVG’s early revenue and cashed out their fictitious ASD profits — in whole or in part — through AVG .

Here is why these questions are important:

1.) ASD’s visible cash and other assets were frozen by the U.S. government in a wire-fraud and money-laundering investigation, but other cash that once resided in ASD’s bank accounts had made its way into the bank accounts of ASD members. It also is known that some ASD members collected money directly from customers for the purchase of ad-packs, and then deposited the money in their personal bank accounts and used ASD’s internal system to move the ad-packs to the purchasers. Money from No. 1 (above) is money laundered twice, which means it is doubly dirty. If it was unclean when it resided in ASD, it is doubly unclean inside AVG.

2.) Money from No. 2 above doesn’t really exist, which means AVG created value where none existed and had non-founders/non-insiders fund the value — as ASD allegedly did with its ASD Cash Generator iteration.

Looking at it another way, AVG could have used the theoretical value of money now held by the government in the ASD case — and also the fictitious paper profits — to fund the launch of the company, passing the real cost off to non-insiders/non-founders.

3.) Money from No. 3 above would mean founders/insiders paid themselves disproportionate shares before anyone else got paid, thus plundering the company.

The autosurf landscape is littered with stories about plundering. To explain suspended cash-outs, ASD President Andy Bowdoin once claimed script problems were to blame. Meanwhile, Bowdoin claimed Russian “hackers” had stolen more than $1 million from the company.

Bowdoin never filed a police report — not even to report a purported theft in excess of $1 million, prosecutors said.

The reason one has to consider each of the possibilities above is that AVG suspended cash-outs after collecting money for 5+ months, then made 80/20 mandatory, while also changing the maturity dates for “page impressions” from 150 to 180 to 210 days.

As one of our readers pointed out, the situation AVG currently confronts is like the situation a bank would confront if it advertised CDs and couldn’t fund redemptions on their maturity dates.

Customers would buy the CDs, expecting a return in 150 days. On cash-out day, the bank would tell customers that it couldn’t fund the redemptions, hoped to be able to fund them by adding two months to the maturity date in anticipation of new revenue — but, in any case, when customers went to cash-out two months later, they could take only 20 percent of the money they were owed and were told they must keep 80 percent of their money in the system.

Financier Allen Stanford faced a similar problem with CDs earlier this year on the Caribbean island nation of Antigua, and has been indicted on Ponzi and fraud charges. Prosecutors said he created the mirage of value by employing a series of accounting tricks.

There is a fourth possibility to consider with AVG: Not all founders/insiders were created equally and that the people closest to the money cherry-picked some of it for themselves, and then told the other founders/insiders that AVG simply wasn’t generating enough revenue or that “bad members” had siphoned off cash.

Putting it in the context of the ASD case, did Russian “hackers” really steal more than $1 million — or was it simply more convenient to blame them to cover up theft and insider dealings?

Here is another possibility: No one at AVG stole anything, no one paid themselves early, the founders/insiders kept all their money in the company — and AVG simply flopped because it couldn’t generate enough cash.

A few things could be in play in this scenario. AVG, for example, could have relatively few customers willing to pay for its “advertising” services — and that the existing base of AVG’s “advertisers” willing to spend money is too small to support the weight of the liabilities or even a break-even line.

It also is possible that the banking system “caught” AVG early and choked off its access to wires and the money supply, thus starving the company.

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62 Responses to “Questions AdViewGlobal Members Might Want To Ask The ‘Management Team’ As Surf Sinks Into Cash-Out Abyss”

  1. Some things you might want to know…
    Posted 6 Hours Ago By Donna Rougeau
    Some Random Data that I heard you might like to have as members:

    Q) Do old members get earn their revenue strictly from new member purchases in the AVGA Business Model?

    A) No they do not. AVGA receives revenue from a variety of services and product offerings and 50% of all of AVGA’s revenue is allocated to the VIP Program so you are ALL earning from ALL sources of revenue the company has.

    Q) Where does AVGA Revenue come from today:

    A) Websites, logo’s, consulting services, programming, web maintenance and management services, graphic designs, print designs, SEO, Copywriting, PPC management, Email marketing services, Purchased advertising services, Marketing Research etc….

    More Revenue Streams are being implemented weekly and we will announce them as they launch.

    Q) What type of projected Revenue can be expected from the current sources OUTSIDE of Page Impressions for the current viewer platform.

    A) Our previous venture of business development strategies and web dev solutions that was a similar yet less robust nature than this model generated in excess of 100 million dollars in 3 years.

    Q)Will I be able to earn more than I spent to purchase Page Impression for my advertising with AVGA – EVEN with the current issues being addressed.

    A) Yes, every member is able to earn equal to or more than they have spent in Page Impression Purchases. More detailed information will be released this week.

    Q)What are the proven conversion rates of advertisements on the AVGA Viewer.

    A) My personal testing provided a 10% conversion rate on my posted advertisement, 2 sites that we made over have created sales and revenues of the same conversion rate for avga members.

    Q)Why would someone with my background and success want to do this work for you the members of AVGA? Whats in it for me?

    A)We have a chance to do something that has never been done like this before. We can combine the massive growth ability of the testing and viewing platform with its very attractive VIP program into our traditional business practices and offer a much higher value and many more robust research services for our clients. The previous program needed to have a more attractive business model to maximize its capabilities and to meet its potential in a sometimes hostile market segment. It needed a perception face lift, more obvious legitimacy. The AVGA Product, is a flagship for what all advertising companies on the internet need to aspire towards. Any negative press, perceptions or contrary views on this company are essential in showing the CONTRAST between short term business vision for networker’s who want to get rich quick and entrepreneurs who want to create strong and lasting opportunities of wealth and value.

    Q) Who is the management team at AVGA? Who works here?

    A) The real managers at AVGA are the members in very large part, you say what you want and us minions over here get it done for you.

    George and Judy our owners are very involved in all day to day activities and decisions, we have a full team in our Uruguay offices that work with our owners to provide support, administrative services, management services, accounting services, legal services and so on…

    AVGA has Alliance Relationships with several excellent best of breed partners to provide products, services and consulting towards our strategic goals, you will continue to meet them as their roles, results and services move forward.

    I hope that is all useful data for you, see you all tomorrow!
    Donna

    Here is the latest off the AVGA forum.

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  2. Um, George and Judy Harris “OWN” AVGA???? You have to be freaking kidding me!! May as well say Andy Bowdoin is running it, same thing, same players.. No wonder AVGA is foundering!!

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    Once again, no verifiable data……just handwaving.

    Interesting and evasive answers, in the proud tradition of AVG. That’s why I previously posted detailed questions, so that Donna could not provide evasive non-answers. For example, in the very first question she does not answer the critical question of “did AVG ever pay old members almost exclusively with new member money?” which would of course make it a Ponzi scheme. Instead, she states that today members share in 50% of the revenue (she probably meant income stream), but does not articulate how much of the revenue stream is from new member money and how much is from the other outside sources — sustainability requires outsode revenue (actually income) to be at least as much as member purchases. Additionally, new members don’t get to share in the revenue from their own purchases (of course not — in a Ponzi scheme that new revenue all goes to old members, just like it does in AVG).

    Cathy G.: Some things you might want to know…Posted 6 Hours Ago By Donna RougeauSome Random Data that I heard you might like to have as members:Q) Do old members get earn their revenue strictly from new member purchases in the AVGA Business Model?A) No they do not. AVGA receives revenue from a variety of services and product offerings and 50% of all of AVGA’s revenue is allocated to the VIP Program so you are ALL earning from ALL sources of revenue the company has.Q) Where does AVGA Revenue come from today:A) Websites, logo’s, consulting services, programming, web maintenance and management services, graphic designs, print designs, SEO, Copywriting, PPC management, Email marketing services, Purchased advertising services, Marketing Research etc…. More Revenue Streams are being implemented weekly and we will announce them as they launch.Q) What type of projected Revenue can be expected from the current sources OUTSIDE of Page Impressions for the current viewer platform.A) Our previous venture of business development strategies and web dev solutions that was a similar yet less robust nature than this model generated in excess of 100 million dollars in 3 years.Q)Will I be able to earn more than I spent to purchase Page Impression for my advertising with AVGA – EVEN with the current issues being addressed.A) Yes, every member is able to earn equal to or more than they have spent in Page Impression Purchases. More detailed information will be released this week.Q)What are the proven conversion rates of advertisements on the AVGA Viewer.A) My personal testing provided a 10% conversion rate on my posted advertisement, 2 sites that we made over have created sales and revenues of the same conversion rate for avga members.Q)Why would someone with my background and success want to do this work for you the members of AVGA? Whats in it for me?A)We have a chance to do something that has never been done like this before. We can combine the massive growth ability of the testing and viewing platform with its very attractive VIP program into our traditional business practices and offer a much higher value and many more robust research services for our clients. The previous program needed to have a more attractive business model to maximize its capabilities and to meet its potential in a sometimes hostile market segment. It needed a perception face lift, more obvious legitimacy. The AVGA Product, is a flagship for what all advertising companies on the internet need to aspire towards. Any negative press, perceptions or contrary views on this company are essential in showing the CONTRAST between short term business vision for networker’s who want to get rich quick and entrepreneurs who want to create strong and lasting opportunities of wealth and value.Q) Who is the management team at AVGA? Who works here?A) The real managers at AVGA are the members in very large part, you say what you want and us minions over here get it done for you.George and Judy our owners are very involved in all day to day activities and decisions, we have a full team in our Uruguay offices that work with our owners to provide support, administrative services, management services, accounting services, legal services and so on… AVGA has Alliance Relationships with several excellent best of breed partners to provide products, services and consulting towards our strategic goals, you will continue to meet them as their roles, results and services move forward.I hope that is all useful data for you, see you all tomorrow!DonnaHere is the latest off the AVGA forum.

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  4. Entertained, there’s a reason AVGA hired these professional “spin doctors”, in a 4rth quarter bid at legitimacy. It’s too little, too late. I’m wondering how the “Life coach” is going to help them out, you can’t coach AVGA into legality or success.

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  5. I am actually working with a firm to design a website for my business. On their website they have shown me several examples of previous sites created for other clients as well logos they have designed.

    Can Donna or Irma or another one of those scamming liars show us some previous work AVG has done? How about a logo design? Can Donna define “SEO” without looking it up on Google? The answer to my questions is obviously “no”

    George and Judy Harris huh? Aren’t they Faye Bowdoin’s kids?
    Did anyone ever ask Faye what happened to the earrings she had purchased for “a buck or so?”

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  6. Here is some of the work on their own site

    http://www.syndicatedigital.com/portfolio.html

    Judging from the expections of certain members of fees of tens of thousands of dollars, they could be in for a disappointment. The bread and butter work of a company like this will bring them pennies on the dollar for much smaller levekls of billing. The whole corporate image remake campaign for a multinational might well command those figures, but those happen once in a while for even the very best advertising and marketing companies.

    There is a terrific amount of competition from highly competent companies in this field and commissions on a bill of a couple of thousand might be closer to the mark for the average client.

    Donna’s statement is just psychological marketing, but we are not seeing the real facts and figures – just vague cheer leading/ advertising spiel. Companies that have legitimate outside revenue shout it from the roof tops, in order to give credibility to their claims.

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  7. I’m only getting charged $1,500 and then like $65 a month after. They are designing a logo, doing a flash intro, etc.

    WHo’s to say if you pay AVG for a site design it will even get done? Probably get better results setting the money on fire.

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  8. I thought the whole spin was down right funny. After all of the conversations here yesterday, the new Queen Donna had to come up with some sort of deflecting so that the cheerleaders could say, “See, I told you Donna would answer questions”.

    It will be so very interesting to see how many cheerleaders they may have by the end of July.

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  9. I think there is every possibility that Syndicate Digital engages in legitimate online commerce.

    One question I’d ask is what would Syndicate Digital — or any legitimate company — bring to the marriage that AVG needs in the here and now.

    Let’s say AVG wants to go clean and needs “Company XYZ Widgets” to help it do so.

    Well, “Company XYZ Widgets” gives AVG an association with a firm that conducts legitimate business. Also, “Company XYZ Widgets” gives AVG access to traditional banking and payment-processing channels.

    Why did/does AVG need these things if it always was above-board?

    AVG announced in March that it’s bank account was suspended. eWalletPlus, which once provided a critical money service for AVG, now is offline. Like AVG, its servers resolve to Panama. But the ownership of eWalletPlus is registered in Arizona as an “association.”

    It looks very much like AVG was relying on the wire facility of eWalletPlus and that the U.S. banking infrastructure choked off or severely curtailed its access in March.

    In May, AVG announced a second wire facility. It got choked off within 72 hours. In that case, it looks as though AVG was trying to funnel money to itself through a Florida company.

    AVG needs access to traditional banking solutions like an alcoholic needs his next Scotch and soda. A legitimate company could provide it.

    Problem is, however, the legitimate company can’t unring the earlier bells. It also runs the risk of becoming implicated in a wire-fraud and money-laundering investigation.

    As a practical matter, any company that can offer high-quality services and create revenue and profits through the sale of legitimate products is doing itself a horrible service by becoming associated with the autosurf business.

    One AVG promo I saw recently created the impression that Staples — the office-supply giant — was an AVG customer. I’d be stunned if that were the case.

    During my ASD research, I viewed a YouTube video in which the narrator tried to create legitimacy by osmosis: A Facebook page flashed on the screen, and the narrator planted the seed that Facebook was a paid ASD advertiser.

    It was just another form of the ASD promoters’ Google lies and the lies about Andy Bowdoin’s White House award.

    Patrick

    P.S. The Staples’ brand name now is associated with a company in the autosurf trade — a company that has suspended payouts, has management/promoters in common with ASD, is moving the line on maturity dates and making an 80/20 program mandatory.

    Even if Staples is an AVG customer, where is the value of having its brand associated — at a minimum — with the appearance of impropriety?

    If the autosurf business model were legitimate, well-known, legitimate companies would own the space. There would not be a square inch of room for the ASDs of the world or the hucksters.

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  10. admin: One question I’d ask is what would Syndicate Digital — or any legitimate company — bring to the marriage that AVG needs in the here and now.

    I can understand what AVG gets from the deal, but what does Syndicate Digital get from it? Why would they associate themselves with something that was born out of an illegal operation like ASD?

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  11. Hi Tony,

    Tony H: I can understand what AVG gets from the deal, but what does Syndicate Digital get from it? Why would they associate themselves with something that was born out of an illegal operation like ASD?

    Access to a list? The prospect of creating a customer base from AVG members?

    Regardless, the synergies don’t seem even remotely equal and the downside to Syndicate Digital is potentially catastrophic.

    As you point out, ASD’s brand was poisoned beyond repair — except in a tiny universe of people who didn’t care. What people in the tiny universe cared about was getting back their ASD money or realizing profits through AVG, even with all of the unfinished business with ASD.

    I find Syndicate Digital’s participation in this very puzzling. The potential for branding immolation is obvious. A company would have to have a very good reason for walking down this road.

    Patrick

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  12. Cathy/Patrick,

    I did a one-to-one comparison of Donna’s questions and answers with the questions I posted for Lynn to ask her if he attends a conference call. Interestingly, Donna’s “random” questions are almost identical in content, and in order, to the questions I posted yesterday. Zero chance that that is a coincidence, clearly not random. Perhaps we got their attention. However, in reframing the questions, and answers, Donna did avoid answering any of the hard ones.

    Cathy G.: Some things you might want to know…Posted 6 Hours Ago By Donna RougeauSome Random Data that I heard you might like to have as members:…… Here is the latest off the AVGA forum.

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  13. admin: Access to a list?

    A list that would be made up of people who were probably fooled by the ASD scam, and others like Mark Simmons, Clifton Ebersold who pimp any dodgy scheme going, and others like “Le” who think blood drinking reptile aliens are going to invade us. A list like that can’t have much value to a company that provides web based services. If the company wanted a list of potential customers, surely there are direct marketing companies that could provide opt-in lists of names. And without the danger of acting as a money laundering conduit for something that has ties to a previous illegal operation.

    The downside to Syndicate Digital is more than potentially catastrophic, it opens up possibility to legal action.

    adminI find Syndicate Digital’s participation in this very puzzling.

    Yes, me too. I can’t see how they benefit at all, while there is a great deal of risk involved with the association with AVG.

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  14. Hi Entertained,

    Entertained: I did a one-to-one comparison of Donna’s questions and answers with the questions I posted for Lynn to ask her if he attends a conference call. Interestingly, Donna’s “random” questions are almost identical in content, and in order, to the questions I posted yesterday. Zero chance that that is a coincidence, clearly not random. Perhaps we got their attention. However, in reframing the questions, and answers, Donna did avoid answering any of the hard ones.

    The “spin” challenge AVG is confronting may pose an unresolvable conundrum. It’s getting harder and harder to conflate a new reality.

    With ASD, one of the earliest conflated realities after the seizure was that the government was evil and that ASD had caused no harm.

    The trouble with that now, of course, is that AVG has done effectively what the government did: Seize all the money.

    So, if what the government did was evil, how come what AVG did is not?

    It’s the same result: Members can’t get their money.

    Patrick

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  15. Well since Donna is so willing to answer questions, wonder if she would answer these:

    1. Where did George and Judy Harris get the money to fund AVGA?
    2. What happened to the 37% conversion ratio, unless your website sucked? (She now claims only a 10% conversion ratio)
    3. Who are the founders of AVGA and how much did each put in to be a founder of AVGA?

    After all she is very important person within AVGA, and can answer all questions. Joe told us so.

    Since I am the resident Idiot, according to Joe, I thought someone else should be the one asking Donna these questions. Joe doesn’t think I know enough to be asking any questions. Guess he forgot I can tell the difference between a legal company and an illegal one; and I’m the Idiot.

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  16. “Naysayers are NEVER wrong” said the man. It’s amazing how untrue that statement is in the case of AVGA….amazing. BTW, the 37% ratio included optins to mailing list and newsletters, requests for information, emails and 10% actual product sales responses. Naysayers never wrong…phoooey! That may be the single most ridiculous comment I have ever seen here.

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  17. How powerful and successful can an experienced internet marketing and design consulting company be (talking about Donna and her Syndicate Digital) if they only have less than 600 unique visitors to their site an entire month?

    http://siteanalytics.compete.com/syndicatedigital.com/

    I readily admit that compete.com statistics, just like Alexa statistics, are often flawed, but, they are a good general indicator.

    But, 593 unique visitors for an entire month?

    Kinda hard to get from there to millions of dollars of commissions in a highly competitive market one would think.

    But, maybe Syndicate Digital is a start up, too, and is willing to share all their upside with AVG members who bring nothing to the table. (Think about it, that’s what the believers will have us believe).

    Just a thought as I take my Random Walk.

    AWR

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  18. ARW, now don’t go confusing CORRECTION, Joe and David with facts. They believe all that Donna says, and anyone else supposedly in authority from AVGA. I think AVGA needs to be making some “Retractons.”

    What is truly funny is now we have “qualifier’s” for the 37% conversion ratio. Before it was only if your website sucked. Now we have all kinds of things that must be added to the mix to get this magical 37% conversion ratio. Why not just say 10% from the beginning? Wait, I know the answer…could it possibly be that they didn’t think anyone would challenge the 37% number, and point out all the fallacies of it? Nah, couldn’t be. Even the 10% conversion rate is bogus. Wonder what the FTC would have to say about their advertising claims? Hmmmmmmmm.

    So much for the disclaimer on AVGA’s site that says AVGA doesn’t have any connection to Andy Bowdoin, ASD, ElDinero, Clarence Busby or Golden Panda. Guess George and Judy Harris weren’t considered part of ASD. Also makes you wonder just who all the management team players are, and their connection to ASD doesn’t it.

    Funny how we went from an experienced and professional management team started AVGA that learned from the mistakes of ASD, to now having to bring in a management team that can run the company.

    Of course we are just naysayers and don’t know what we are talking about, especially me since I am the idiot here. Right Joe?

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  19. Cathy G.: I thought the whole spin was down right funny.After all of the conversations here yesterday, the new Queen Donna had to come up with some sort of deflecting so that the cheerleaders could say, “See, I told you Donna would answer questions”.It will be so very interesting to see how many cheerleaders they may have by the end of July.

    Just what I thought, it doesn’t matter what she says you all will claim the questions are unanswered.

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  20. admin: Hi Tony,

    Tony H: I can understand what AVG gets from the deal, but what does Syndicate Digital get from it? Why would they associate themselves with something that was born out of an illegal operation like ASD?

    Access to a list? The prospect of creating a customer base from AVG members?Regardless, the synergies don’t seem even remotely equal and the downside to Syndicate Digital is potentially catastrophic.
    As you point out, ASD’s brand was poisoned beyond repair — except in a tiny universe of people who didn’t care. What people in the tiny universe cared about was getting back their ASD money or realizing profits through AVG, even with all of the unfinished business with ASD.I find Syndicate Digital’s participation in this very puzzling. The potential for branding immolation is obvious. A company would have to have a very good reason for walking down this road.Patrick

    Very good point, perhaps you should keep on thinking about that.

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  21. Hmmm – having compared the site statistics with my own real site statistics, they are very much on the low side. HOWEVER even if they were three times the number, it is still incredibly low for a supposed established “expert” site. My own angel site does much better than that (1500 to 5000 unique visits per month, depending on the season) and that is principally from straight search engine traffic.(no surf sites to bump up traffic figures) .

    Although I am not doubting it’s legality, I suspect that Syndicate Digital may not be what Donna Rougeau and AVGA are claiming it to be, and that any revenue from that company will be nothing near to the amount that AVGA members may be expecting and are being led to believe. Or will it be their fault for not selling enough of the SD products and services?

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  22. Quote from Donna~
    “The previous program needed to have a more attractive business model to maximize its capabilities and to meet its potential in a sometimes hostile market segment. It needed a perception face lift, more obvious legitimacy.”

    So Joe….did Donna really just say more obvious legitimacy? In other words, it wasn’t legit before she came on board with AVGA?

    And you are correct Joe, she did not answer the questions. Just because she stated that old members do not get paid with new members money does not make it the truth.

    “A) Yes, every member is able to earn equal to or more than they have spent in Page Impression Purchases. More detailed information will be released this week.”
    Again, something is always going to be released later in the week. And if she is guaranteeing that members will earn equal to or more than they have spent I would believe she would need a securities license.
    So the “rebates are not guaranteed” line been removed from the TOS?

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  23. Lynndel Edgington: ARW, now don’t go confusing CORRECTION, Joe and David with facts.They believe all that Donna says, and anyone else supposedly in authority from AVGA.I think AVGA needs to be making some “Retractons.”What is truly funny is now we have “qualifier’s” for the 37% conversion ratio.Before it was only if your website sucked.Now we have all kinds of things that must be added to the mix to get this magical 37% conversion ratio.Why not just say 10% from the beginning?Wait, I know the answer…could it possibly be that they didn’t think anyone would challenge the 37% number, and point out all the fallacies of it?Nah, couldn’t be.Even the 10% conversion rate is bogus.Wonder what the FTC would have to say about their advertising claims?Hmmmmmmmm.So much for the disclaimer on AVGA’s site that says AVGA doesn’t have any connection to Andy Bowdoin, ASD, ElDinero, Clarence Busby or Golden Panda.Guess George and Judy Harris weren’t considered part of ASD.Also makes you wonder just who all the management team players are, and their connection to ASD doesn’t it.Funny how we went from an experienced and professional management team started AVGA that learned from the mistakes of ASD, to now having to bring in a management team that can run the company.Of course we are just naysayers and don’t know what we are talking about, especially me since I am the idiot here.Right Joe?

    Pretty much

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  24. Cathy G.: Quote from Donna~
    “The previous program needed to have a more attractive business model to maximize its capabilities and to meet its potential in a sometimes hostile market segment. It needed a perception face lift, more obvious legitimacy.”So Joe….did Donna really just say more obvious legitimacy?In other words, it wasn’t legit before she came on board with AVGA?And you are correct Joe, she did not answer the questions.Just because she stated that old members do not get paid with new members money does not make it the truth.“A) Yes, every member is able to earn equal to or more than they have spent in Page Impression Purchases. More detailed information will be released this week.”
    Again, something is always going to be released later in the week.And if she is guaranteeing that members will earn equal to or more than they have spent I would believe she would need a securities license.
    So the “rebates are not guaranteed” line been removed from the TOS?

    Well we can spin the words all day and it won’t matter. Obvious legitimacy, no I don’t think she was saying it wasn’t legit but you can spin it if you want. Pretty obvious she’s not going to say it wasn’t legit before. If that’s how you read it then your either intentionally spinning it or your to dumb to really get the answer.

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  25. joe:

    Cathy G.: Quote from Donna~
    “The previous program needed to have a more attractive business model to maximize its capabilities and to meet its potential in a sometimes hostile market segment. It needed a perception face lift, more obvious legitimacy.”So Joe….did Donna really just say more obvious legitimacy?In other words, it wasn’t legit before she came on board with AVGA?And you are correct Joe, she did not answer the questions.Just because she stated that old members do not get paid with new members money does not make it the truth.“A) Yes, every member is able to earn equal to or more than they have spent in Page Impression Purchases. More detailed information will be released this week.”
    Again, something is always going to be released later in the week.And if she is guaranteeing that members will earn equal to or more than they have spent I would believe she would need a securities license.
    So the “rebates are not guaranteed” line been removed from the TOS?

    Well we can spin the words all day and it won’t matter. Obvious legitimacy, no I don’t think she was saying it wasn’t legit but you can spin it if you want. Pretty obvious she’s not going to say it wasn’t legit before. If that’s how you read it then your either intentionally spinning it or your to dumb to really get the answer.

    Also, key words, “perception face lift” as there were models out there in the beginning that were complete ponzi’s that had nothing to do with AVGA. Megalido, frogress, to name just a couple. Those were known from the beginning to be very high risk by all who participated. It was like Russian Roulette. Unfortunately those were the predecessors for adviewing. That’s why the face lift with the words that followed obvious legitimacy. Get it now?

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  26. Tony H:

    admin: Access to a list?

    A list that would be made up of people who were probably fooled by the ASD scam, and others like Mark Simmons, Clifton Ebersold who pimp any dodgy scheme going, and others like “Le” who think blood drinking reptile aliens are going to invade us. A list like that can’t have much value to a company that provides web based services. If the company wanted a list of potential customers, surely there are direct marketing companies that could provide opt-in lists of names. And without the danger of acting as a money laundering conduit for something that has ties to a previous illegal operation.The downside to Syndicate Digital is more than potentially catastrophic, it opens up possibility to legal action.

    adminI find Syndicate Digital’s participation in this very puzzling.

    Yes, me too. I can’t see how they benefit at all, while there is a great deal of risk involved with the association with AVG.

    Well that’s an interesting point, have you ever considered there is probably a very good reason? Of course not that wouldn’t fit your agenda.

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  27. Joe, did you ever get an answer regarding the securities question as Donna did state that all members will receive equal or more than there initial page impression purchase.

    That would definitely be a securities violation.

    Unless…she has it approved by SEC already? Didn’t we hear that one already. Haha!

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  28. Cathy G,

    Can you read? I believe she said ABLE to receive…not WILL receive.

    “Naysayers are NEVER wrong”. That’s what the man said. Do all of you naysayers agree with that opinion? I say “Nay” to all your comebacks and comments…and I’m right since naysayers cannot be wrong. Now isn’t that the most ridiculous comment you’ve read today Cathy G?

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  29. I especially like this multi-million dollar company having to use gmail/yahoo E-mail accounts for people to get answers to questions, etc.. Funny, I checked Microsoft, IBM, Dell, Target, Staples, Office Depot, Sears, and a whole lot of others, and not one gmail or yahoo E-mail account for contacting the companies.

    Must be AVGA’s trend-setting, revolutionary, new online advertising company’s secret strategy. I can see it now….all the major corporations running to establish gmail and yahoo E-mail accounts so they don’t get left behind with this great new strategy and advertising revolution.

    This should really help with their marketing and getting people to join. I think AVGA should be on Fox Business News Channel explaining this revolutionary new concept in advertising companies. Wait….you mean that gmail and yahoo mail aren’t new? Bummer, but they are the favorite choice of scammers and scams. Guess I’ll have to cancel the request for Fox News to do a story.

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  30. LG,

    Man that was weak! Is that the best you got? Why be so mean and sarcastic for laughs? Are you twelve years old? Seriously, I cannot tell your maturity level off these comments. I think Joe figured you out…pretty much.

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  31. CORRECTION:

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  32. It’s true about the Gmail. That’s what’s weak. What a junk company.

    I cannot wait to see what the excuse is after the 30 days is up……..all money put into AVG is LOST. I’ll bet my right eye and left nut on it.

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  33. No…your comments are weak Sicilian. Very weak! I’d comnment about your bet, but you threw me a beach ball. It’s just too easy…

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  34. Thata girl Correction, keep promoting an illegal enterprise. You do realize the federal government can find out exactly who you are, don’t you? Madoff got 150 years………..I’m betting you’d be squeamish if you did 15 minutes inside. Keep it up!

    Oh and they can track G-Mail too

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  35. CORRECTION:

    First, I am not the one who is claiming to be a part of this great International business opportunity called AVGA. You, Joe and David are.

    AVGA is bragging about how it is going to set the online advertising world on its ear, and they are using gmail and yahoo E-mail accounts. Really professional, and instills a lot of confidence in them claiming to be this great International Multi-Million Dollar company. They can’t even pay their members for God’s sake. What’s up with having to have a bank half-way around the world to handle your company’s banking? Guess local banks aren’t good enough. Wait, they tried having a bank in this hemisphere, but none would do business with them. And here they turned down this Multi-Million Dollar Revolutionary, Trend-Setting, Visionary Advertising company. Silly banks.

    Of course I am being sarcastic, because it is the only way it gets people to stop and think before joining. I love how you, Joe and David keep avoiding the fact that AVGA was ILLEGAL the day it opened its doors.

    But then, as I said before, I am sure all major International companies are now going to be using gmail and yahoo E-mail accounts. Must be nice to be part of a company that is a trend setter and visionary. Hmmm, I think I heard that word visionary somewhere before. Now if I could only remember where. Don’t tell me, it will come to me.

    I am just waiting for the bio’s of George and Judith to tell me how astute a business person they are, how humanitarian they are, how they have only had a parking ticket, and what Godly people they are. So far it is the only thing that has been missing. Makes you wonder how many members would have rushed to join if they knew about their Forgeiture in Rem now doesn’t it.

    I was not the one who claimed they were “Professionals,” and had learned from the mistakes of ASD. From what I have seen, they learned absolutely nothing. Same pig but in a different dress and lipstick. I am not the one who said registering offshore prevented them from being subject to the U.S. authorities, when that is a total lie. I wasn’t the one who claimed by forming an association it prevented the members from being subject to U.S. Laws, but in their association pages declare they are protected by the “Constitution of the United States as United States Citizens.” So please tell me again how “Professional” the people running AVGA are.

    All this constant posturing that AVGA has no ties to ASD, and here you have the owners directly tied to ASD. The managment team is former ASD employees, and officer’s. I would think I would be a little more leary of a company that goes out of its way to disclaim any ties to a company, and then you find out it is up to its proverbial eyeballs tied to the company it denies it has any connection to in any way.

    Sorry you hate having it put in your face of the sheer stupidity of AVGA saying one thing and doing another. If I had to list all the contradictions of what AVGA has said, versus what they have done, and are now saying, it would take an entire page to do so, and then I doubt if I could list them all.

    But please all of you keep on posting. Keep digging that hole. Most people know when you find yourself in a hole, you stop digging. So far you are not only digging, you are using a steam shovel to dig even deeper. It is greatly appreciated.

    But then what do I know, I am just the resident idiot here, according to Joe and now you. Then again you might be shocked to find out I’m not quite the idiot you both think I am.

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  36. LE,

    Just be fair and accurate, because we are not leaving. We are here not to promote or recruit AVGA members, just to keep your silliness and pompousness to a minimum and call out the inaccuracies and half truths. And I did not call you an idiot. I just question your knowledge at times and your maturity level.

    I would not be surprised if more anti- “naysayers who are NEVER wrong” show up with their own steam shovels now that copywrited material taken directly from a private forum is smeared and distorted all over this blog, not by the blogger, but by smug self-appointed AVGA sherrifs. And do you ever accept an answer as plausible truth? I’m just saying if you do not know the truth don’t speculate and don’t print opinions that are not based on hard evidence and fact. Is that too much to ask? so far it definatly has been I’m sorry to say. Oh well…I could be wrong.

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  37. CORRECTION!: Naysayers never wrong…phoooey! That may be the single most ridiculous comment I have ever seen here.

    It may be the most ridiculous comment YOU’VE ever seen. If it’s true, by the way, it’s more a reflection of the limited amount of ridiculous things YOU’VE seen here.

    Notwithstanding that, it’s not even the actual comment.

    Which was:

    “There’s one really, really satisfying thing about being a naysayer IN THE HYIP/AUTOSURF ARENA.

    Naysayers are NEVER wrong”

    Given the fact you obviously don’t believe you’re in the “HYIP/autosurf” arena, despite almost unlimited proof being provided, I guess I’ll just have to sit back and wait for the inevitable, while quietly chuckling to myself.

    If only one could transfer this amount of certainty of being “on a winner” into picking Lotto numbers.

    Based on history, though, one thing IS for certain.

    The demise of AVG will also mean the sudden disappearance of the “Correction” and “Joe” type posters on this forum.

    So, “naysayers” will be two times winners.

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  38. Cathy G.: Joe, did you ever get an answer regarding the securities question as Donna did state that all members will receive equal or more than there initial page impression purchase.That would definitely be a securities violation.Unless…she has it approved by SEC already?Didn’t we hear that one already. Haha!

    She never guaranteed it. Ha Ha You are not nearly clever enough to spin words so stop trying, she did say should be “able” which when it pays again and it will, it will be very possible, I know, I already have and then some.

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  39. littleroundman:

    CORRECTION!: Naysayers never wrong…phoooey! That may be the single most ridiculous comment I have ever seen here.

    It may be the most ridiculous comment YOU’VE ever seen. If it’s true, by the way, it’s more a reflection of the limited amount of ridiculous things YOU’VE seen here.Notwithstanding that, it’s not even the actual comment.
    Which was:“There’s one really, really satisfying thing about being a naysayer IN THE HYIP/AUTOSURF ARENA.Naysayers are NEVER wrong”Given the fact you obviously don’t believe you’re in the “HYIP/autosurf” arena, despite almost unlimited proof being provided, I guess I’ll just have to sit back and wait for the inevitable, while quietly chuckling to myself.If only one could transfer this amount of certainty of being “on a winner” into picking Lotto numbers.Based on history, though, one thing IS for certain.The demise of AVG will also mean the sudden disappearance of the “Correction” and “Joe” type posters on this forum.So, “naysayers” will be two times winners.

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    Are you kidding me you thrive on us being here numbnuts

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  40. joe: Yes, me too. I can’t see how they benefit at all, while there is a great deal of risk involved with the association with AVG.

    Well that’s an interesting point, have you ever considered there is probably a very good reason? Of course not that wouldn’t fit your agenda.

    Yes I have wondered what the reason might be. That’s why I asked the question. Which you, or any one else, hasn’t answered. Yet another unanswered question. Perhaps you could pass it on to Donna – “why would a legitimate company openly associate itself with an entity that has connections with an illegal operation?”.

    As for my agenda, you don’t know what it is. I don’t know what it is either.

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  41. Patrick,

    You wrote: “I think there is every possibility that Syndicate Digital engages in legitimate online commerce.” I doubt Bernie Madoff stole his office supplies; he probably purchased them from a legitimate supplier, using legitimate means. But that didn’t change a thing when it came to the crookedness of his company………

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  42. Lynndel Edgington: CORRECTION:First, I am not the one who is claiming to be a part of this great International business opportunity called AVGA.You, Joe and David are.AVGA is bragging about how it is going to set the online advertising world on its ear, and they are using gmail and yahoo E-mail accounts.Really professional, and instills a lot of confidence in them claiming to be this great International Multi-Million Dollar company.They can’t even pay their members for God’s sake.What’s up with having to have a bank half-way around the world to handle your company’s banking?Guess local banks aren’t good enough.Wait, they tried having a bank in this hemisphere, but none would do business with them.And here they turned down this Multi-Million Dollar Revolutionary, Trend-Setting, Visionary Advertising company.Silly banks.Of course I am being sarcastic, because it is the only way it gets people to stop and think before joining.I love how you, Joe and David keep avoiding the fact that AVGA was ILLEGAL the day it opened its doors.But then, as I said before, I am sure all major International companies are now going to be using gmail and yahoo E-mail accounts.Must be nice to be part of a company that is a trend setter and visionary.Hmmm, I think I heard that word visionary somewhere before. Now if I could only remember where.Don’t tell me, it will come to me.I am just waiting for the bio’s of George and Judith to tell me how astute a business person they are, how humanitarian they are, how they have only had a parking ticket, and what Godly people they are.So far it is the only thing that has been missing.Makes you wonder how many members would have rushed to join if they knew about their Forgeiture in Rem now doesn’t it.I was not the one who claimed they were “Professionals,” and had learned from the mistakes of ASD.From what I have seen, they learned absolutely nothing.Same pig but in a different dress and lipstick.I am not the one who said registering offshore prevented them from being subject to the U.S. authorities, when that is a total lie.I wasn’t the one who claimed by forming an association it prevented the members from being subject to U.S. Laws, but in their association pages declare they are protected by the “Constitution of the United States as United States Citizens.”So please tell me again how “Professional” the people running AVGA are.All this constant posturing that AVGA has no ties to ASD, and here you have the owners directly tied to ASD.The managment team is former ASD employees, and officer’s.I would think I would be a little more leary of a company that goes out of its way to disclaim any ties to a company, and then you find out it is up to its proverbial eyeballs tied to the company it denies it has any connection to in any way.
    Sorry you hatehaving it put in your face of the sheer stupidity of AVGA saying one thing and doing another.If I had to list all the contradictions of what AVGA has said, versus what they have done, and are now saying, it would take an entire page to do so, and then I doubt if I could list them all.But please all of you keep on posting.Keep digging that hole.Most people know when you find yourself in a hole, you stop digging.So far you are not only digging, you are using a steam shovel to dig even deeper.It is greatly appreciated.But then what do I know, I am just the resident idiot here, according to Joe and now you.Then again you might be shocked to find out I’m not quite the idiot you both think I am.

    I believe you, you’re probably not quite the idiot we think you are. Pretty close though huh?

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  43. joe:

    Lynndel Edgington: CORRECTION:First, I am not the one who is claiming to be a part of this great International business opportunity called AVGA.You, Joe and David are.AVGA is bragging about how it is going to set the online advertising world on its ear, and they are using gmail and yahoo E-mail accounts.Really professional, and instills a lot of confidence in them claiming to be this great International Multi-Million Dollar company.They can’t even pay their members for God’s sake.What’s up with having to have a bank half-way around the world to handle your company’s banking?Guess local banks aren’t good enough.Wait, they tried having a bank in this hemisphere, but none would do business with them.And here they turned down this Multi-Million Dollar Revolutionary, Trend-Setting, Visionary Advertising company.Silly banks.Of course I am being sarcastic, because it is the only way it gets people to stop and think before joining.I love how you, Joe and David keep avoiding the fact that AVGA was ILLEGAL the day it opened its doors.But then, as I said before, I am sure all major International companies are now going to be using gmail and yahoo E-mail accounts.Must be nice to be part of a company that is a trend setter and visionary.Hmmm, I think I heard that word visionary somewhere before. Now if I could only remember where.Don’t tell me, it will come to me.I am just waiting for the bio’s of George and Judith to tell me how astute a business person they are, how humanitarian they are, how they have only had a parking ticket, and what Godly people they are.So far it is the only thing that has been missing.Makes you wonder how many members would have rushed to join if they knew about their Forgeiture in Rem now doesn’t it.I was not the one who claimed they were “Professionals,” and had learned from the mistakes of ASD.From what I have seen, they learned absolutely nothing.Same pig but in a different dress and lipstick.I am not the one who said registering offshore prevented them from being subject to the U.S. authorities, when that is a total lie.I wasn’t the one who claimed by forming an association it prevented the members from being subject to U.S. Laws, but in their association pages declare they are protected by the “Constitution of the United States as United States Citizens.”So please tell me again how “Professional” the people running AVGA are.All this constant posturing that AVGA has no ties to ASD, and here you have the owners directly tied to ASD.The managment team is former ASD employees, and officer’s.I would think I would be a little more leary of a company that goes out of its way to disclaim any ties to a company, and then you find out it is up to its proverbial eyeballs tied to the company it denies it has any connection to in any way.
    Sorry you hatehaving it put in your face of the sheer stupidity of AVGA saying one thing and doing another.If I had to list all the contradictions of what AVGA has said, versus what they have done, and are now saying, it would take an entire page to do so, and then I doubt if I could list them all.But please all of you keep on posting.Keep digging that hole.Most people know when you find yourself in a hole, you stop digging.So far you are not only digging, you are using a steam shovel to dig even deeper.It is greatly appreciated.But then what do I know, I am just the resident idiot here, according to Joe and now you.Then again you might be shocked to find out I’m not quite the idiot you both think I am.

    I believe you, you’re probably not quite the idiot we think you are. Pretty close though huh?

    joe:

    Lynndel Edgington: CORRECTION:First, I am not the one who is claiming to be a part of this great International business opportunity called AVGA.You, Joe and David are.AVGA is bragging about how it is going to set the online advertising world on its ear, and they are using gmail and yahoo E-mail accounts.Really professional, and instills a lot of confidence in them claiming to be this great International Multi-Million Dollar company.They can’t even pay their members for God’s sake.What’s up with having to have a bank half-way around the world to handle your company’s banking?Guess local banks aren’t good enough.Wait, they tried having a bank in this hemisphere, but none would do business with them.And here they turned down this Multi-Million Dollar Revolutionary, Trend-Setting, Visionary Advertising company.Silly banks.Of course I am being sarcastic, because it is the only way it gets people to stop and think before joining.I love how you, Joe and David keep avoiding the fact that AVGA was ILLEGAL the day it opened its doors.But then, as I said before, I am sure all major International companies are now going to be using gmail and yahoo E-mail accounts.Must be nice to be part of a company that is a trend setter and visionary.Hmmm, I think I heard that word visionary somewhere before. Now if I could only remember where.Don’t tell me, it will come to me.I am just waiting for the bio’s of George and Judith to tell me how astute a business person they are, how humanitarian they are, how they have only had a parking ticket, and what Godly people they are.So far it is the only thing that has been missing.Makes you wonder how many members would have rushed to join if they knew about their Forgeiture in Rem now doesn’t it.I was not the one who claimed they were “Professionals,” and had learned from the mistakes of ASD.From what I have seen, they learned absolutely nothing.Same pig but in a different dress and lipstick.I am not the one who said registering offshore prevented them from being subject to the U.S. authorities, when that is a total lie.I wasn’t the one who claimed by forming an association it prevented the members from being subject to U.S. Laws, but in their association pages declare they are protected by the “Constitution of the United States as United States Citizens.”So please tell me again how “Professional” the people running AVGA are.All this constant posturing that AVGA has no ties to ASD, and here you have the owners directly tied to ASD.The managment team is former ASD employees, and officer’s.I would think I would be a little more leary of a company that goes out of its way to disclaim any ties to a company, and then you find out it is up to its proverbial eyeballs tied to the company it denies it has any connection to in any way.
    Sorry you hatehaving it put in your face of the sheer stupidity of AVGA saying one thing and doing another.If I had to list all the contradictions of what AVGA has said, versus what they have done, and are now saying, it would take an entire page to do so, and then I doubt if I could list them all.But please all of you keep on posting.Keep digging that hole.Most people know when you find yourself in a hole, you stop digging.So far you are not only digging, you are using a steam shovel to dig even deeper.It is greatly appreciated.But then what do I know, I am just the resident idiot here, according to Joe and now you.Then again you might be shocked to find out I’m not quite the idiot you both think I am.

    I believe you, you’re probably not quite the idiot we think you are. Pretty close though huh?

    Actually I will admit I have no idea what you are talking about with gmail, yahoo and all that. what are you referring to?

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  44. joe: Are you kidding me you thrive on us being here numbnuts

    Actually, you couldn’t be more wrong, if you tried.

    After an extended period of my working life dealing with substance abuse, “at risk” behaviours and the fallout from both, I long ago learned to practice some Sun Tzu “Art of War” type strategies when dealing with such well reasoned arguments as displayed by referring to your opponent as “numbnuts”

    At some point, any reasoned person needs to make the decision as to whether further debate is merely an egocentric need to be “right,” has any educational value or, indeed, is likely to have any effect at all on the outcome of the “discussion”

    As Alasycia rightly points out, there are many non posting readers of such blogs as this still open enough to be influenced.

    However, based on many years observing the “scene” IM(very)HO, any members money in AVG is effectively “lost” anyway.

    For any “autosurf” to come back from the current state would be highly unlikely, if not impossible.
    Further, should it do so, it would be only a temporary reprieve.

    Any “education” as to the futility of “investing” money in these frauds is going to be delivered in a far more brutal (and effective) manner by actual experience than by any amount of posts by Yours’ Truly.

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  45. Joe: Now this is rich. You are saying, and I quote: “Actually I will admit I have no idea what you are talking about with gmail, yahoo and all that. what are you referring to?” and you are a member of AVGA? Surely you jest. You mean you don’t read the FAQ’s on how to contact the company? As far as your being pretty close though, only if you say so.

    Say, I saw where those who had 10,000 page impressions made a whopping 14 cents the other day. Now that is what I call a serious income stream. Let’s see, I think it would take 88 years to get your $10,000 investment back at that rate. Yeah, I know, in two weeks…..

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  46. Welcome ARWR,

    In addition to a surprisingly low hit rate, in looking carefully at Syndicate Digital’s web site, if I were in the market for that type of service I’d likely go elsewhere. A competent “professional” web services company wouldn’t have as many grammatical errors as they do. I think your research is the clue as to why they, and Donna, would hook up with AVG — perhaps they cannot really make it on their own, hence need to turn to something like AVG.

    ARandomWalk: How powerful and successful can an experienced internet marketing and design consulting company be (talking about Donna and her Syndicate Digital) if they only have less than 600 unique visitors to their site an entire month?http://siteanalytics.compete.com/syndicatedigital.com/I readily admit that compete.com statistics, just like Alexa statistics, are often flawed, but, they are a good general indicator.But, 593 unique visitors for an entire month?Kinda hard to get from there to millions of dollars of commissions in a highly competitive market one would think.But, maybe Syndicate Digital is a start up, too, and is willing to share all their upside with AVG members who bring nothing to the table. (Think about it, that’s what the believers will have us believe).Just a thought as I take my Random Walk.AWR

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  47. Joe,

    I think Donna got off to a good start. She answered a few of the questions I posed, esp. around her involvement and the ownership. If you look carefully at the other questions, even you have to agree that she did not address the financial questions head-on. Instead, she did a pretty good job of taking the tough financial questions and turning them into somewhat innocuous questions, and the proceeded to partially answer them. A pretty good job I’d say, and a good start. Do you think she’ll address the full, hard versions of the questions?

    joe:

    Just what I thought, it doesn’t matter what she says you all will claim the questions are unanswered.

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  48. Cathy,

    I think she is referring to the ASD Ponzi when she talks about the previous program. It did after all raise/steal over $100 MM in 3 years.

    Also, to be fair, Donna did not say that old members were not paid with new member money. She rewrote the question to include the qualifier “strictly from new member money” so that her answer would be correct if tens of millions of new member money was used to pay old members, and in addition twenty five cents flowed in from other sources to supplement the tens of millions. That is why inquiring minds want to know (and have a PWC-type validation) what the ratio is between the new member money and the other revenue that is used to pay old members, AND whether or not that mix has ever been 100% new member money. These questions are the crux of the sustainability and legality issues, and Donna did not answer them.

    Cathy G.: Quote from Donna~“The previous program needed to have a more attractive business model to maximize its capabilities and to meet its potential in a sometimes hostile market segment. It needed a perception face lift, more obvious legitimacy.”So Joe….did Donna really just say more obvious legitimacy? In other words, it wasn’t legit before she came on board with AVGA?And you are correct Joe, she did not answer the questions. Just because she stated that old members do not get paid with new members money does not make it the truth.“A) Yes, every member is able to earn equal to or more than they have spent in Page Impression Purchases. More detailed information will be released this week.”Again, something is always going to be released later in the week. And if she is guaranteeing that members will earn equal to or more than they have spent I would believe she would need a securities license.So the “rebates are not guaranteed” line been removed from the TOS?

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  49. Correction. I recall several days or weeks ago you signed off of the blog saying you had better things to do with your time than listen to the naysayers.It is obvious you either have a short memory or you can’t find a more interesting blog.
    A piece of advice for your time.Start searching for legal counsel that will represent you.You can tell a skunk by its stripes and these folks have the same stripes as ASD. Get over it.Move on to another one !I promise the results will be the same. To satisfy a lot of folks on this blog list one company with this type marketing system and/or pay out promise , anywhere in the world that has ever succeeded.One just ONE.
    Go back to your disgusted state the other week and admit your a financial loser.If You associate with losers your a loser.
    Have a wonderful time in court!

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  50. Joe,

    Good to know you are a winner in AVG. I am sure Mr. Cowden will be interested, just like I am sure that the British Columbia AG will appreciate his name and office being linked to promoting AVG by Donna…..you know of course she does not live in Uruguay, even though she’s a senior officer of AVG. She lives in Vancouver….

    joe:

    Cathy G.: Joe, did you ever get an answer regarding the securities question as Donna did state that all members will receive equal or more than there initial page impression purchase.That would definitely be a securities violation.Unless…she has it approved by SEC already?Didn’t we hear that one already. Haha!

    She never guaranteed it. Ha Ha You are not nearly clever enough to spin words so stop trying, she did say should be “able” which when it pays again and it will, it will be very possible, I know, I already have and then some.

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  51. Correction: LE,Just be fair and accurate, because we are not leaving. We are here not to promote or recruit AVGA members, just to keep your silliness and pompousness to a minimum and call out the inaccuracies and half truths. And I did not call you an idiot. I just question your knowledge at times and your maturity level. I would not be surprised if more anti- “naysayers who are NEVER wrong” show up with their own steam shovels now that copywrited material taken directly from a private forum is smeared and distorted all over this blog, not by the blogger, but by smug self-appointed AVGA sherrifs. And do you ever accept an answer as plausible truth? I’m just saying if you do not know the truth don’t speculate and don’t print opinions that are not based on hard evidence and fact. Is that too much to ask? so far it definatly has been I’m sorry to say. Oh well…I could be wrong.

    So, are you telling me that I should be “warned and scared” about the copywrited material? Yah right. Let’s see the actual copywrite documentation.

    You kids just need another popsicle with all of the other lies that you believe over in AVGA land.

    And please do not tell us not to base our opinions unless we have hard evidence and fact. Wow, I would think if I was sending in money or telling my friends and family I would demand evidence and facts.

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  52. Mindset Shift
    Posted 24 Minutes Ago By Louis Muise
    Wondering why we cannot get paid our referral commissions now instead of 30 to 40 days???

    Louis

    Now it has been “shifted” to 40 days. Then it will be 50, 75 and so on till they hit the global launch on Aug. 1 and then there will be internal “hackers”.

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  53. Hi Lynn,

    Lynndel Edgington: Where did George and Judy Harris get the money to fund AVGA?

    AVG members can ask, reasonably, if the AVG capital contributions of Judy and George Harris came from ASD money — either in the form of fictitious profits that were moved from ASD to AVG or in the form of cash that had been hidden.

    Why? Because the Secret Service is well-aware that the Harris family effectively had no visible money in August 2008, and the documentation is a matter of public record.

    In August, Judy borrowed $5,000 from her aunt, who placed a lien against Judy and George’s 2008 Honda CRV to guarantee repayment. Judy instructed her aunt to place the lien, prosecutors said.

    The Secret Service has interviewed Judy’s aunt, who provided a statement to investigators.

    The lien held by Judy’s aunt, however, cannot be enforced at this moment in time because the government named the car in the ASD December forfeiture complaint as part of the proceeds of an illegal enterprise.

    The car was paid for with ASD Check No. 1337 in the amount of $28.607.67.

    Judy Harris is a Bowdoin/Harris family member. Her husband, George, is the son of Edna Faye Bowdoin, Andy’s wife. George paid off the Harris mortgage with more than $157,000 from ASD, according to prosecutors.

    Andy identified George as head of ASD’s real-estate division, and Judy as the person who answered Andy’s cell phone. Andy’s identification of Judy and George is documented in an exhibit filed with the August forfeiture complaint.

    All of this information was in the public record BEFORE the launch of AVG.

    You’ll recall, of course, that AVG did not start out as a “private association.” You’ll also recall that AVG formally launched AFTER Andy Bowdoin had signed a proffer letter and acknowledged ASD was operating illegally — and AFTER Andy had made the decision to submit to the forfeiture of tens of millions of dollars.

    Andy didn’t tell the rank-and-file about the proffer letter. Andy didn’t tell the rank-and-file that he acknowledged ASD was illegal. Andy didn’t tell the rank-and-file about his decision to submit to the forfeiture, which was formalized in mid-January — at the same time he was named a defendant in a racketeering lawsuit.

    Andy’s submission to the forfeiture and the proffer letter were potentially devastating to a great number of people, including members of his own family.

    In late February, weeks after his forfeiture decision, Andy changed course after meeting with what he described as members of a “group.” At the same time, AVG introduced members to Pro Advocate Group, which is associated with a convicted felon and pitches “private associations.”

    AVGA later emerged as a sort of awkward hybrid — claiming to be headquartered in Uruguay but also claiming to have derived its power from the U.S. Constitution.

    Judy Harris was not an original “Trustee.” She became one after former ASD executive and AVG Chief Executive Officer Gary Talbert suddenly resigned from AVG, amid an announcement from AVG that Gary no longer was leading the company but would continue to have a role in the “accounting” department.

    News about Gary’s resignation broke on a Friday. On Monday, AVG announced its bank account had been suspended because too many members had wired transactions in excess of $9,500. AVG blamed the suspension on members, in the very first sentence of its announcement. The date was March 23.

    Around the same time, a member of AVG’s “Compliance” department was settling a federal lawsuit that had been filed against him last year. Financial details of the settlement were not disclosed.

    In May, AVG announced it had acquired a new wire facility. But a company AVG identified as a facilitator of the wire transfers denied it had any business relationship with AVG. The company that issued the denial said it had discussed business with a Florida company, and that Florida company just happened to be owned by the member of AVG’s “Compliance” department who had settled the federal lawsuit just a month previously for an undisclosed sum.

    A final note: During the same time frame in which AVG was announcing the resignation of Talbert and the suspension of its bank account, Andy Bowdoin appeared in a video for a company named “PaperlessAccess.”

    Andy said it was a good way for members to get back cash lost in ASD. The PaperlessAccess video went missing after several days, when reporters pointed out that the script PaperlessAccess was using and the language in its pitch was virtually identical to the language ASD had used.

    Surf’s Up said Andy asked PaperlessAccess to remove the video because he had been misled by the company. Other people complained about having their ASD membership details transferred to another surfing company, and still others questioned why yet another company appeared to be springing to life to compete against AVG.

    Patrick

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  54. Cathy,

    It’s really at 40 days now? That should be a huge red flag. All that money is lost and gone. It’s either tucked away or has been spent.

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  55. Sicilian: Cathy,It’s really at 40 days now? That should be a huge red flag. All that money is lost and gone. It’s either tucked away or has been spent.

    That’s what Louise posted. I’m betting tucked away.

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  56. “new management”
    Posted 2 Hours Ago By Joey Shiver
    If this is an off shore company and the home office is in Uruguay, doesn’t that mean that the new management will be living and working in Uruguay as well? How else can they properly run the company?

    Another question posted by a member…

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  57. Oh the “members” are getting restless huh? I feel another attack of “Satan” forthcoming……..but hey…..if God be for us….who can be against us?

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  58. ….another question for Mlle. Rougeau:

    “Why does the mailing address for AVG, if it is supposed to be this shining light of the internet ad world, resolve to a UPS Store (UPS Store 102 COLLEGE STATION DR #3, BREVARD NC 28712, 828-883-4701)
    instead of a real location?”

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  59. Hi Entertained,

    Entertained: Why does the mailing address for AVG, if it is supposed to be this shining light of the internet ad world, resolve to a UPS Store (UPS Store 102 COLLEGE STATION DR #3, BREVARD NC 28712, 828-883-4701)
    instead of a real location?”

    Nice find.

    Maybe it happened for the same reason a 2005 bankruptcy filing by an AVG insider listed an apartment address that also resolved to a UPS Store. The application expressly used the abbreviation “Apt.”

    The filer sought to discharge about $1.3 million, claiming assets of about $3,500. In subsequent legal actions against the filer, process servers reported trouble locating him, but eventually did: At an office park where conferencing can be rented by the hour.

    One of the companies in the office park — one owned by the person who once claimed to reside in a UPS Store — appears to have attempted to use its wire facility to route transactions to AVG.

    But the wire service found out about it, called its lawyers and blocked the back-door transaction routes. A little more than a month later, AVG announced the suspension of its cash-out program.

    Patrick

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  60. Patrick,

    Credit goes to Cathy G. and Don….

    Jack Arons also posted the AVG terms of service. My favorite, clause, which is another question for Donna. Article VII, below, grants permission at any time for any reason for Judy Harris to close up shop and keep all of the money. The liabilities piece goes away, because after all, rebates are not guaranteed. Why is that they case, Donna? Looks like permission for Judy to keep everything at any time…

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  61. alasycia: Although I am not doubting it’s legality, I suspect that Syndicate Digital may not be what Donna Rougeau and AVGA are claiming it to be

    A bit more on Donna, and I have a theory as to why she is involved with AVG.
    From http://www.ryze.com/view.php?who=coachdonna Donna says she is an ” Internet Marketing Specialist”. Those who have seen these sort of things before will probably recognise that as a MLM promoter who is an “expert” at building down lines. (For “expert” read someone who pimps any sort of MLM rubbish).

    It appears that before Syndicate Digital, she had another business: ABW Internet Marketing Consulting Inc. I’m not sure if that company still exists. Then on Twitter she is promoting MAI Systems (Masters Alliance International).

    There is also a “Donna Rougeau” who was a Personal Development Coach at Compass North Consulting & Coaching. This Donna was the founder of millionairePLUS (http://www.spoke.com/info/p1PmUVu/DonnaRougeau).

    What was millionairePLUS? It appears to be a “downline service” (http://www.scamclub.com/reports/Glen-Steagall-5495.html), which appears to have existed in 2002: http://www.agpcommunity.com/archives/issue70.html. The web site is now parked by godaddy, but it appears to have been alive in 2007.

    I think Patrick was right when he said that Syndicate Digital got involved with AVG for a list of names. I get the impression that Donna is going to be using AVG as her “downline”, even if those further down the pyramid don’t know it. I think Donna is just the sort of person to get involved with AVG. In fact, I would not be at all surprised if Donna was involved in some way with ASD.

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  62. If you look up their Customer Support phone number: 786-752-4143 you will find it is an unlisted cell phone number in Homestead, FL. So now we have a mailing address and phone number in North Carolina, and a customer service unlisted cell phone number in Homestead, FL, but this is a real and legitimate International Internet Advertising company that is setting the standards for all companies.

    By the way where did Barb and Joe go? Sorry, meant to say CORRECTION and Joe.

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