AdViewGlobal Withdraws Announcement Of New Payment Plan; Initial Announcement Baffled Members
UPDATED 9:47 P.M. EDT (U.S.A.) AdViewGlobal has disabled its forum. The move followed on the heels of complaints from members that the surf company was confusing them when trying to explain its new pay-out program. The payout program was introduced with great fanfare today, and included a prediction that AVG would become a Fortune 500 company.
The surf blamed the decision to disable the forum on members, saying confused members were posting information that confused other members. AVG has a history of blaming problems on members, saying in March that its bank account had been suspended because too many members wired transactions in excess of $9,500.
The forum suspension announcement was signed “George and Judi Harris,” and identified them as the “Owners.” A separate AVG forum operated by Mods and members of the Pro-AdSurfDaily Surf’s Up forum went dark a few days ago. AVG said it would inform members through “breaking news,” apparently in their back offices.
Here, our earlier post . . .
AdViewGlobal (AVG), which purports to be a professional advertising and communications company based in Uruguay, has withdrawn an announcement of its new pay-out plan, members said.
AVG members reported confusion over the initial plan, which suggested members could earn back their entire advertising spend and a profit of 25 percent during an unspecified time period.
Some members questioned whether they would have to view advertisements for eternity to record a profit. Others said they expected profitability to return quickly after AVG emerged from a dark period in which it announced the suspensions of cash-outs for at least 30 days and the implementation of a mandatory 80/20 program.
Many members joined AVG expecting to earn back their initial spend, plus full profit, in 150 days. AVG later moved the redemption date to 180 days, and then 210 days, according to its website. The date for full redemptions now appears to be up in the air, members said.
Some members raised concerns that they would not receive credit for matching bonuses AVG advertised.
For weeks, AVG advertised bonuses of 200 percent, for both prospects and sponsors. To celebrate the launch of a new website last month, AVG advertised a 250 percent match for prospects.
The initial payment plan AVG announced appeared to reflect only cash purchases and did not seem to address matching bonuses, members said. In March, one AVG promoter told prospects that $5,000 turned into $15,000 “instantly.”
Some AVG members complained about smug responses from AVG after they made simple inquiries about the payment plan and matching bonuses.
Members said AVG appeared to have an unfathomable number of page impressions on its books, owing to the 200-percent promotions and the presence of a member-to-member cash button than enabled participants to “stack” earnings within individual downline groups.
Some AVG members held more than 1 million page impressions, members said.
In other news, AVG members said the company announced that its program was “100% Legal.” The announcement came on the heels of a court filing yesterday in a RICO case that mentioned AVG’s name as a new iteration of AdSurfDaily and other autosurf programs.
ASD and AVG have close ties. Tens of millions of dollars were seized from ASD last year as part of a wire-fraud, money-laundering, securities and Ponzi scheme investigation.
For the 3rd time now Correction, if you are going to stand on a platform of “Truth”, then do so with both legs on and not with one dangling off the side.
Make your next post with your real name, that would be a good start.
Now, before you come back with a “you don’t use your real name” type argument “why should I”, remember you are the one pronouncing your commitment to the “Truth”. Perhaps it needs to carry the full intended weight you proclaim.
Otherwise, your proclamation it is nothing more than “Hypocrisy”.
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Deal with it!
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Correction!!
Can you please tell me if Andy Bowdoin has been and intends to continue making his court ordered restitution of $100 a month?
Can you also tell me what the Harris family thinks of this?
Thanks!
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No need for me to deal with it, it is your “Platform of Truth”
True colors are shining through.
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Oh, and could you have “Donna” ask Mr. Harris to pass along a few things to his mother and step father!?!
1.) Did they get the brownies I sent them?
2.) Thank you SOO much for the VOIP phone gift that costs me $19 a month. It really has helped my financial security.
3.) Tell them I won’t be able to make it to the lake this 4th. I was really looking forward to using the water toys purchased for my benefit, since I was in fact and ASD member.
Please tell me whos ass is fatter in a swim suit: Pont, Terralyn, McIntyre, or Simmons.
Thanks so much! You’re a peach.
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Happy to do so and it is quite easy. It is actually the original ASD Black Box analysis…..but for kicks, let’s try this. AVG has stated they have 20,000 members. If they all kicked in $1000, and Andy, errr, I mean Andy’s kids, get to keep 50% = $10 MM, that leaves $10 MM remaining to pay off the guaranteed rebates of 125%. Hmmmmm, 20,000*1000*125% = $25,000,000 so we are a little bit short of paying off that guaranteed rebate. We need to come up with $15 MM in additional operating income to balance the books. Let’s say that Donna is two times as good as little joe and CORRECTION! say she is, and that SD is a good viable company. Well, the good viable company will have to willingly give $15 MM of their operating income to the AVG members, and of course what good company wouldn’t jump at that chance? Perhaps MSFT should be called — maybe they want to get in on it, or Berkshire Hathaway — Warren’s always looking for a good investment (nice guy too). OK, when I looked at SD’s web site, zero chance they have $15 MM in operating income — no big clients, mediocre website (see: lots of grammatical errors, mediocre low-end business clientele (no Fortune 1000 companies, for example….). Anyway, AVG would appear to have no way to come up with the additional $15 MM. Oh wait, they can recruit more victims, use the new victims money, and pay off the old obligations. They’ll only need 30,000 new members at $1000 apiece (half of that goes to Andy’s kids). Not sure what they will then do……those new 30,000 people have created a GUARANTEED liability of $37.5 MM. No problem, just bring in 75,000 more people at $1000 (and Andy’s kids get half). Of course, the new liability is $93.75 MM.
Hmmmmm, where does it end????? Well, 5 more steps and we need to recruit 7,324,200 new members at $1000 apiece. By now, AVG is a Fortune 500 company, somewhere around #333. But wait!!!! Five more iterations and we’ll need every man, woman, and child in the US, Russia, Japan, Germany, and France combined, and we will have become the 3rd largest company in the US, behind ExxonMobil and WalMart. Unfortunately, the GURANTEED!!!!!! rebate liability has swollen to almost $900 Billion! The good news is, Andy’s kids are by far the richest people on the planet, worth 8 times what Gates and Buffett are worth combined. So, let’s work through a few more cycles to get rid of that debt obligation…..
3 more cycles and Houston, we have a problem. There aren’t enough earthlings to fund the program, at $1000 apiece. No problem though — we’ll just have every living human on the planet contribute $2000. Now, AVG is the largest economic entity on the planet, with revenues exceeding the GDP of the European Union and the US.
PEOPLE, OF COURSE THIS IS REAL! OF COURSE THIS CAN HAPPEN! DONNA, CORRECTION, AND little joe SAY IT CAN!!!!
Sorry pro-AVG’ers, no aliem math here, just math based on your laughable 125% GUARANTEED!!!!
Chris,
Here is a link to the court document that describes the seizure of the property that the HArris’s obtained through their illegal activities in ASD: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-dcdce/case_no-1:2008cv02205/case_id-134498/
Sorry if you missed that. Dear old daddy (Harris’s daddy, Andy Bowdoin) has twice admitted that ASD was operating illegally, once in his proffer letter and once in his pro se filing.
AVG on the other hand has only admitted once that they are operating illegally. In a very recent post on the official AVG site they said the sweeping changes are comiong to AVG, in summary that they will be having external revenue and that THEY WILL BE 100% LEGAL. Not my words. They describe being 100% legal as a sweeping change, ergo they were not legal before by their own admission……
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Entertained,
Watch…….they’ll come back and say “who says everyone is putting in $1,000″ or some other dumb defense.
I can confidently say after reading entertaineds post that I “understand the business model” lol.
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But, but, but, Entertained…the 80/20 rule says victims, aka members, aka advertisers can only really have 20% of what they “earn”. By mandate from the wizards behind the curtain, 80% must be reinvested back into more “advertising”. Surely that helps, doesn’t it? After all, that 80% is only bits of data on a computer monitor if they can’t avccess it.
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I firmly believe that those of you on this blog should be ashamed of yourselves
Why…because you allow yourselves to mislead people you are “genuinely” trying to help.
No way, Jose – I am not at all ashamed of myself and you can take the quotations off the word “genuinely” (yes you are right – the name is Jenny Stewart, owner of Alas y Cia. – not Correction nor joe nor Joe L nor any other pretend name)
The owner of this blog and the majority of the writers are genuinely trying to help people from falling into the trap of yet another autosurf which will end up causing pain and suffering – both to their bank accounts and to their friendships and families. This has been the result of the failures of CEP 12DP, ASD etc etc. People have not only lost large sums of money they can ill afford to lose, it is worse – it has damaged relationships with friends and family who they involved and who also lost money. Yup, the winners were there and got their money out in time and made profits – but the rest…………. ?? The only thing that I am ashamed of is having promoted ASD, of not having understood the financial model of ASD to work out that it was unsustainable and also of having fallen for so many lies.
AVGA has yet to demonstrate the facts and figures necessary to convince most people that they are operating legally and sustainably. IF they did so, then that would be great and, believe me, they would be left alone by the critics- and we would probably all join too. Why not,? A legal way to advertise and make a profit from your advertising would be great. The problem is that no one has come up with a way yet that is totally legal and sustainable.
Whilst I am in agrement with you that belittling people is not necessarily the best way to convince them, you yourself are hardly the best person to make that observation – people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. The correspondence by yourself and joe has been very damaging to any professional image AVGA might have had.
Ad hominen attacks on individuals do not convince. I neither know nor care who you really are (although I could make an educated guess) and am not about to start to make personal comments about you or any other poster. If you wish to make comments about me – feel free. WHEN I write doesnt change the realities of WHAT I write. I do care when I see you writing down things that are NOT facts, but are nothing more than propaganda and you call them facts. That IS misleading people.
We were members of ASD, remember? We have read all the Court documents and discussions by both sides and are more than able to make our assessments of the situation based on the facts available to us. The majority of us understand that, not only were we conned, but we also allowed ourselves to fall for the smoke and mirrors of the “business plan” which was in fact mathematically totally unsustainable and illegal. Most of us also know that we were lied to. And curiously enough, many of the people who lied to us now seem to be part of AVGA.
Read this. https://www.betternetworker.com/articles/view/asd-was-it-really-a-ponzi-scheme
I found it today. This guy explains it so clearly. We were idiots and got screwed. But only once.
If AVGA is not a ponzi and never was a ponzi – the FACTS AND FIGURES will save it from an ignominious destiny., not any dramatic posts by you and your friends. It’s books will balance and its members will have sucessful results from their advertising and make money. If it is A PONZI – then it will not last long. It will either collapse insolvent, or will have legal trouble which it cannot get out of and then you will have demonstrated yourself to be guilty of conning others – because I suspect you know exactly what its going on. And if you dont, it is because you have not taken advantage of the very clear explanations given by Entertained on the Black Box Test on the mathematics, and the other information of the legality or not of businesses outside the US. and those with overpriced and dubious products.
Correction and joe, Terralynn, Joe L, Kat, Laura, Barb1 and Bar2 and all the rest of you – If your company is what you say it is – give us facts and figures – then we will leave you alone or join you. However, until you can do this – save your breathe
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Edit: After all, that 80% is only bits of data on a computer monitor if they can’t access it.
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This is good! A real laugh out loud!
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I wondered how long it would take before the “why hasn’t AVGA been shut down if it is Illegal, or Andy hasn’t been charged with a crime so how is ASD not legal mantra” would be invoked. Actually it took longer than I had expected. But I knew it would at some point, usually about the time all the other excuses for AVGA had been exhausted.
I especially love CORRECTION’s definition of what is truth. Funny that is the first time I have seen truth spelled HYPOCRISY.
Chris, in regard to your listing of just 12DP and ASD as being the only surf companies raided, I call your attention to CEP and PhoenixSurf, and Megalido who just disappeared on its lonesome without any government intervention. Hmmm, a program that many ASD heavyweights were also promoting by the way. Many of whom were also in either 12DP or CEP or both. Not a good track record following their recommendations of a great program now is it. But you really should read: http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/autosurf.htm. You must might learn something. Now I could have named more auto-surf programs that have bit the dust, but you look them up.
I just love how JOE and CORRECTION keep thinking that if you just give AVGA enough time, they will become legit; and it is no big deal they were illegal when they opened their doors. Of course they also overlook on major important legality. In AVGA’s Articles of Association, they say and I quote: “This Association will be construed and interpreted under the laws of the State of Florida, U.S. Constitution and the Florida Constitution.”
Now what is really important about that statement is this: To be a legally registered company, AVGA must be registered in the State of Florida. Hmmmm, a check of the Florida Records Department for all the various agencies in which they must be registered, AVGA is missing in action. That means they are ILLEGAL. So all this posturing about trying to get all the revenue streams in place now that the horse is out of the barn, are all for naught. They were ILLEGAL when they opened their doors both Federal and on the State level. So please JOE, tell me this is no big deal. By the way, has anyone realized that AVGA has not paid any “taxes” on all of this “outside income?” So when you do the math again Entertained, don’t forget to toss in this factor as well. But keep on trying to convince us AVGA is legal and can sustain itself. It is just a matter of time, and I think AVGA will go down before any agency takes action. They will be lucky to last the next 10 days.
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So smug…so off the mark. You cmments are a joke.
And yet, you clowns still can not provide any proof to the contrary.
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And yet you have not provided anything to back up what you say. Just because you say it, doesn’t make it so.
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You may have also missed the hidden domain registration information.
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PAt,
Interestingly, the 80/20 rule makes it worse, since you STILL have a guaranteed payout of 125%, but in the meantime you are compounding the liabilities…..but of course, you are correct — the $$$ are really just domains on a hard disk, not real money…..I am glad you didn’t ask me about the 200% and 250% matching bonus. The end result is of course the same……just faster.
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….you did before…..pyramid scheme in the form of a Ponzi…..even Donna knows that (now).
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Whip,
For certain! Do you have the hidden domain reg. info?
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Alasycia,
A better qualifier might be “no one yet has wanted to do the hard work of developing and launching a legal surf-like entity.” It is actually pretty easy to do what you suggest — legal and sustainable. One problem — it is hard work and the usual promoters will not get rich quick or otherwise. There are at least half a dozen legal sustainable variants, and probably many more (I know I’ve posted 6). Unfortunately, AVG, ASD, BAS, PBX, 12DP, CEP, Noobing, and every other known surf are not using those legal sustainable variants……
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Thx Whip,
Why am I not surprised that a company affiliated with AVG (Syndicate Digital) doesn’t want anybody to easily track who they are? Folks, this information points out that they are trying to hide the real contact info for SD. SD does not have their own public domain. Legal, but shady in the context of their AVG connection. Real companies don’t do this….
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We all know that its illegal and AVG is a scam..
period
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You guys will soon realize that AVG will be shut down again by the gov
If they thought SEC can’t get to them because they are based in panama..they are mistaken..SO stupid
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To be honest, I really don’t think the Government, or anybody else, for that matter, needs to worry about shutting AVG down.
AVG is self imploding as we speak.
It’s not going to be around long enough to waste any time on.
If, there’s to be any prosecution/s, there’s time enough to do that after the fact. History tells us, though, it is unlikely there will be prosecution/s, more’s the pity.
Besides, allowing “nature” to take its’ course, means there’s no need to worry about refunds, receivers or protracted legal proceedings.
The money’s disappeared into the ether, been disbursed amongst the fraudsters or been redirected to some criminal/terrorist organization. Take your pick.
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