AdViewGlobal Withdraws Announcement Of New Payment Plan; Initial Announcement Baffled Members

UPDATED 9:47 P.M. EDT (U.S.A.) AdViewGlobal has disabled its forum. The move followed on the heels of complaints from members that the surf company was confusing them when trying to explain its new pay-out program. The payout program was introduced with great fanfare today, and included a prediction that AVG would become a Fortune 500 company.

The surf blamed the decision to disable the forum on members, saying confused members were posting information that confused other members. AVG has a history of blaming problems on members, saying in March that its bank account had been suspended because too many members wired transactions in excess of $9,500.

The forum suspension announcement was signed “George and Judi Harris,” and identified them as the “Owners.” A separate AVG forum operated by Mods and members of the Pro-AdSurfDaily Surf’s Up forum went dark a few days ago. AVG said it would inform members through “breaking news,” apparently in their back offices.

Here, our earlier post . . .

AdViewGlobal (AVG), which purports to be a professional advertising and communications company based in Uruguay, has withdrawn an announcement of its new pay-out plan, members said.

AVG members reported confusion over the initial plan, which suggested members could earn back their entire advertising spend and a profit of 25 percent during an unspecified time period.

Some members questioned whether they would have to view advertisements for eternity to record a profit. Others said they expected profitability to return quickly after AVG emerged from a dark period in which it announced the suspensions of cash-outs for at least 30 days and the implementation of a mandatory 80/20 program.

Many members joined AVG expecting to earn back their initial spend, plus full profit, in 150 days. AVG later moved the redemption date to 180 days, and then 210 days, according to its website.  The date for full redemptions now appears to be up in the air, members said.

Some members raised concerns that they would not receive credit for matching bonuses AVG advertised.

For weeks, AVG advertised bonuses of 200 percent, for both prospects and sponsors. To celebrate the launch of a new website last month, AVG advertised a 250 percent match for prospects.

The initial payment plan AVG announced appeared to reflect only cash purchases and did not seem to address matching bonuses, members said. In March, one AVG promoter told prospects that $5,000 turned into $15,000 “instantly.”

Some AVG members complained about smug responses from AVG after they made simple inquiries about the payment plan and matching bonuses.

Members said AVG appeared to have an unfathomable number of page impressions on its books, owing to the 200-percent promotions and the presence of a member-to-member cash button than enabled participants to “stack” earnings within individual downline groups.

Some AVG members held more than 1 million page impressions, members said.

In other news, AVG members said the company announced that its program was “100% Legal.” The announcement came on the heels of a court filing yesterday in a RICO case that mentioned AVG’s name as a new iteration of AdSurfDaily and other autosurf programs.

ASD and AVG have close ties. Tens of millions of dollars were seized from ASD last year as part of a wire-fraud, money-laundering, securities and Ponzi scheme investigation.

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  1. Everyone please do their part and report this fraud to the Florida attorney generals office:

    http://myfloridalegal.com/Contact.nsf/Contact?OpenForm&Section=Economic_Crimes

    Joe you should fill one out too. It’s obivous none of us or the AG himself can “understand the business model”

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  2. I really do not understand why the members are so baffled. The ToS clearly states that the rules of the game may be changed at any time and there is no guarantee of anything.
    Spelled out pretty simple. Send them money…they keep it.

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  3. In other news, AVG members said the company announced that its program was “100% Legal.”

    I know it’s been mentioned before, but it tickles me when a company has to say that they are “100% Legal”. Every day, you see companies like Microsoft, IBM and Tesco issuing press releases or announcing to the stock market that they are “100% legal”. No they don’t.

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  4. Tony,

    I saw that about Microsoft. Just recently they overcame the 87% mark and were able to leap to being 100% legal.

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  5. Sicilian: I saw that about Microsoft. Just recently they overcame the 87% mark and were able to leap to being 100% legal.

    That must have been when they realised that being mentioned in a RICO lawsuit was such a small matter it negated the 13% illegality to bring them up to the 100%. Or wast when they realised that their owners/operators had been involved in a previous illegal operation? Was it when Bill Gates signed a proffer letter admitting that MicroAdSurfSoft was really a ponzi scheme? Perhaps that’s where the 13% comes from.

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  6. Tony,

    “Ninety percent of this game is half-mental.” — Yogi Berra, Baseball Great and American Treasure (Also attributed to Danny Ozark)

    Patrick

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  7. The AVGA members seem to have taken the news less well that they were expected to.

    On their forum there is as yet undeleted comments of the following ilk

    I agree- I am trying to be tolerant of growing pains…but every other day its seems to change matches and cash outs…how can AVGA take cash outs way?? or limit them…this seems eerily like a ponzi plan! (that people are already concerned about) or poorly executed financial structure to start..or both”.

    and

    “Please let us know who is running this train and if its about to reck [sic] and who are all these people who got away with all this money how many were there and how much did they get….”

    and

    “It is my observation that the abundance of posts today have not developed because of ‘mental strain or confusion’ (which is in the most recent post), but from a lack of information. People are asking questions because the information has not yet been presented. We don’t need the information in ‘bite sized chunks’, we simply need ALL of the information so that we don’t have to guess the missing pieces. ……To suggest that the members need the information presented over a period of time so that they can understand it is nothing shy of insulting intelligence.

    and last but not least – this one

    “I hope no one can edit our posts on here or be afraid to ask a question, for fear of getting our heads bit of”

    Between last night and this morning about 35 members posts “disappeared”

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  8. Tony,

    The best part is that the statement on 100% legal was prefaced by “Sweeping Changes Are Coming to AVGA, And Here’s A Summary:”

    This is a tacit admission that AVG will be changing to a 100% legal business model. You know what that makes them now and in the past……

    Tony H:

    In other news, AVG members said the company announced that its program was “100% Legal.”

    I know it’s been mentioned before, but it tickles me when a company has to say that they are “100% Legal”. Every day, you see companies like Microsoft, IBM and Tesco issuing press releases or announcing to the stock market that they are “100% legal”. No they don’t.

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  9. Ooops – that math again – about 45 member’s posts “disappeared”.

    Whilst it is easy to understand why the “inner circle” want to keep the forum as a positive propaganda forum for AVGA, it is harder to understand why more members are not so worried. Lets face it – AVGA is the second time around for most of them (or third or fourth or fifth, for the “playas” lol)

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  10. Joe:

    The resident idiot again. I have just a couple of questions for you that I am sure you will be able to answer.

    In AVGA’s Association Agreement, in Section IX, it says, and I quote: “This Association will be construed and interpreted under the laws of the State of Florida, U.S. Constitution and the Florida Constitution.”

    Question: Now why would a company registered in Uruguay state in their Association Agreement they are subject to the laws of the State of Florida, U.S. Constitution, and the Florida Constitution?

    By making this declaration, it also raises this question: Why isn’t AVGA regitered and listed with “ANY” Florida agency as required by law? They do say the are subject to the laws of the State of Florida. So, why no registration?

    Now I know this is going to sound totally stupid to you, but don’t you think that AVGA would have saved themselves a lot of grief by figuring out what their game plan was going to be before making any announcement, and then constantly having to keep chaging the rules? I thought this was being run by “PROFESSIONALS?” Sounds like Donna is in over her head. Now I realize you don’t see it that way, but then according to you being a little bit pregnant is possible; or I am sure you think drug dealers are just unlicensed pharmacists. For to believe what you believe about AVGA both of my last statements are true.

    Oh, this good news coming from Washington? I think Judy and George had dinner with Obama, and they got a medal for solving the nation’s financial crisis by starting AVGA. The President is turning over the Treasury to them so they can balance the budget and eliminate the deficit. After all, 125% rate of return would take no time to recover our debt and make the U.S. financially sound again. Wow, what Patriot’s they both are.

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  11. Good job Jenny on getting those posts. Are my eyes getting bad or have they taken down the members forum alltogether. Just could not find it a minute ago…

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  12. Cathy G.

    Your eyes are not deceiving you. The forum was taken down as they said too many members were making posts that were confusing too many other members. Now AVGA is going to spoon feed the membership in small bites, and will only be provided in the Breaking News section. So no forum until they piece meal their updates. This was stated by George and Judy Harris.

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  13. Thanks Lynndel~

    Now where is Correction. How do you like being associated with this big new internet company that does not allow questions from the members? Maybe more and more were coming over here to Patrick’s site and reading what the other side was saying and they actually started believing that they had gotten themselves into another cluster.
    Or…they did not like some of us going in and reposting to the outside world.
    I do remember Donna stating that she knew who it was and they and their sponsor would be terminated. Or, maybe I will get slapped with copywrite infringement violations.
    Or, maybe the offices were raided by the evil government.
    So many unanswered questions. Correction, come back here!

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  14. Is there anything out there that actually works? Legal and all!

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  15. Sharron, it’s called a job.

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  16. Cathy G.: I do remember Donna stating that she knew who it was and they and their sponsor would be terminated.

    And that’s supposed to be a bad thing ????

    Are there any material differences between being terminated, being robbed and being defrauded ?????

    It seems to me whatever is the excuse du jour, the end result would be the same.

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  17. Thanks Cathy,

    I have one of those…. I work with Hospice and with private care of Althmiers patients. So I work hard. But I am getting older and not sure how much longer I can lift and move patients from bed to chairs. Was looking for something that actually works online and from home so that as a grandmother, I can spend more time with my grandangels. I was a single mother and had to work 2 or 3 jobs to keep a roof over our heads and food on our table without other americans having to help me.

    With what our government has done with our social security and what it cost to live now, you cannot live on SS now!

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  18. Ladies and Gentlemen,

    I need to get a few things off my chest tonight, and I’m gonna dump it all here in Patrick’s choir loft.

    I firmly believe that those of you on this blog should be ashamed of yourselves. You too should be taken down for a few days so you can get the facts straight and help people understand the truths without your “I’m NEVER wrong about ponzis bias”. What a bunch of fifth graders you appear to be… laughing and condemning and all farts and giggles, silliness, so cute and so full of yourselves. Self righteous buffoonery, no better than the ones you condemn. You are no better than the worst scammer out there. Why…becuase you allow yourselves to mislead people you are “genuinely” trying to help.

    I firmly believe, and some here might not believe me, that your intentions are good. You are good people. I’m a good person. We need to do what’s right and not just win an argument. I could care less about winning here. I just want fairness and accuracy…that’s all!! What a disservice it is to smugly pass judgement on an issue, the outcome of which the courts haven’t decided.

    Some random comments for regular commentors:

    Cathy G.—You are so quick to comment and condemn, but you have’nt got a clue. Your explaination of the money at AVGA was an embarrassment to any one with a brain. Do you know how far of you were? My God woman, think before you laugh at a valid proposal.

    Tony H– They keep saying they’re legal because busy know-it-all people keep saying they are not legal. And the know-it-alls are not going to determine this outcome anyway.

    Jenny — ??? I just don’t get it. Up all hours of the European night to write and write and…they say that converts are the most ardent believers.

    Sicilian– The Michillin Man in a sailor suit. Why would anyone take you seriously. You like to bully and threaten and bet body parts you don’t appear to have. From what I see of the Micillin Man you don’t have a right nut…just a joke…ha ha ha…just kidding.

    Patrick– You really have been giving journalism a bad name. You lead this choir of amatuer singing sherrifs everyday and laugh with them and push relevent facts to the side for the sake of your “Breaking Opinions”, speculation, and constant rehash of what uninformed members say. Atta boy Patrick for getting it wrong so often…not always…but often enough to show how little fairness and accuracy count on your turf. Think about it…who in there right mind would print the word RETRACT all night if it was not indeed warranted. That was one bad headline buddy.

    L E,

    The Obama reference says it all…you don’t know what Dnna can do…and it isn’t even funny.

    “”Sounds like Donna is in over her head. Now I realize you don’t see it that way, but then according to you being a little bit pregnant is possible; or I am sure you think drug dealers are just unlicensed pharmacists. For to believe what you believe about AVGA both of my last statements are true.””

    Lynndel Edgington: Oh, this good news coming from Washington? I think Judy and George had dinner with Obama, and they got a medal for solving the nation’s financial crisis by starting AVGA. The President is turning over the Treasury to them so they can balance the budget and eliminate the deficit. After all, 125% rate of return would take no time to recover our debt and make the U.S. financially sound again. Wow, what Patriot’s they both are.

    I hope Donna sues your butt to the wall for this one…how the hell do you know anything about this woman and her abilities? Idiocy is the only word that you bring to mind sir. I really don’t like name calling. I retract that comment….and I apologize for picking on you at all, But…you get to me when you are just wrong like in this quote. AAhhhgg!

    “”Now I know this is going to sound totally stupid to you, but don’t you think that AVGA would have saved themselves a lot of grief by figuring out what their game plan was going to be before making any announcement, and then constantly having to keep chaging the rules? I thought this was being run by “PROFESSIONALS?””

    Get ready to see Donna Rougeau right this ship, that is if she can stomach this crap and uninformed condemnation long enough and does not choose to move back to her $30 Mil a year company.

    And I can’t leave out the AVGA members who don’t get it yet. I was on the call last night and I get it. Mistakes have been made. Why do you think Donna R stepped up. The company that was hired to do the new website took months and did not get it done. Donna and her company turned around the mess she inherited in 8 days…8 days…have you seen that website? http://www.adviewglobal.com I don’t know the web developement business, and maybe she did just an ok job, but I am impressed and condemn me if you choose to, but that is a good 8 day start to finish website complete with back office and flash intro home page. Please do not throw her under the bus. She is very determined and hard working. Her involvement in AVGA is what the company needed. Her dilemma now is an uninformed, seemingly at least partly unwilling and mostly confused membership that did not get what she wrote today as she tried to explain the changes.

    However, tommorow night on the company webinar she’ll get a second chance to make a favorable impression. That’s hard to do, I know. I think she is the woman for the job. I got the plan, which is not changing again, just the presentation needs work to help members see the value that Syndicate Digital has brought to them.

    Here it is folks:

    Real valuable web products and services sold to real customers. Yeah, you can advertise on the rotator platform if you want to and get paid 125% of your ad dollars back…guaranteed. How can they do this…Syndicate Digital that’s how. The 25% profit is a loss leader designed to get members to buy and sell AVGA/SD products and create even more revenue for the membership to share.

    Joint Venture partner Syndicate Digital will provide the expierenced NEW managemnt, the accounting, the infrastructure and the web products and the profits that can guarantee 125% pay outs and a 100% legal business for AVGA members.

    There is so much more to what is going on here than any of you know about. And maybe there is shady stuff that I do not know about. I have an open mind and I am not a mindless cheerleader. Every word I’ve posted, except perhaps the critiques because I really don’t know any of you well enough to presume critism, are accurate. Fair and accurate, with no trumped up headlines and half-truths is all your readers deserve.

    Having said all this I know tha it is likely that nothing is going to change your minds. I expect that tobe the cxase. I can leave here knowing that winning an argument means nothing to me. But the truth means everything. I hope a few of your agree with me. Thank you and goodbye for awhile. I’m tired of this…so tired.

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  19. Sharron:

    I would contact Paul Schlegel @ paypauls@gmail.com and ask about legitimate work from home programs. Tell him I sent you. Hopefully he will be able to help you find something that is legitimate for you to do.

    All the best.

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  20. Patrick:

    I hope you didn’t mind my giving Sharron Paul’s E-mail. I apologize if I broke a rule of your blog.

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  21. What…there are rules?

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  22. Thank you.. I am sincere in wanting to find something that works… I am willing to work hard, I just want to be in charge of the hours. lol..

    Thanks again

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  23. Correction: “I’m NEVER wrong about ponzis bias”

    So, Correction,

    how long do you estimate before something goes from being a “ponzi bias” to becoming an observation of fact ???

    How many times does a person have to observe an event before he or she should accept that the outcome of that event has changed from “likely” to “definitely” ???

    How many HYIP ponzi “autosurfs” does one have to observe, over what period of time, before one can make the pronouncement:

    “There’s one really, really satisfying thing about being a naysayer IN THE HYIP/AUTOSURF ARENA.

    Naysayers are NEVER wrong”

    400 or 500 ???

    10 or 12 years ????

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  24. littleroundman:

    Correction: “I’m NEVER wrong about ponzis bias”

    So, Correction,how long do you estimate before something goes from being a “ponzi bias” to becoming an observation of fact ???How many times does a person have to observe an event before he or she should accept that the outcome of that event has changed from “likely” to “definitely” ???How many HYIP ponzi “autosurfs” does one have to observe, over what period of time, before one can make the pronouncement: “There’s one really, really satisfying thing about being a naysayer IN THE HYIP/AUTOSURF ARENA.Naysayers are NEVER wrong” 400 or 500 ???10 or 12 years ????

    I don’t make pronouncement on someone else’s life or business.

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  25. Correction: What…there are rules?

    Only their own for themselves. Can you say “moving target”?

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  26. Joe & CORRECTION: When is Donna going to announce the other owners of AVGA? I mean you are aware there are other owners besides George and Judy aren’t you? So why the big, dark secret about who they are?

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  27. Correction: I don’t make pronouncement on someone else’s life or business.

    Quite right, too.

    Heaven forbid, in these politically correct times, one should be accused of verbally interfering with someone elses life or business.

    Stealing their money via a HYIP ponzi “autosurf” scam is apparently quite all right, though.

    Can we say “HYPOCRISY” ?????

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  28. CORRECTION:

    In regard to your post getting it all off your chest, I want to address your statements directed to me.

    I am making fun of the owners of AVGA. I am doing it because of what they said when they started AVG. They were the ones who said AVG was being run by a “Professional Team.” They were the ones who said that AVG had “NO” ties to ASD. They were the ones who claimed AVG was not subject to U.S. law enforcement agencies because they registered the company offshore. Whether or not you like it, those are facts.

    So what have we learned since then? Why low and behold the owners (at least those named so far) have direct ties to ASD, as does members of the AVG Management Team. Lie Number 1. The offshore registration does not exempt AVG from being subject to U.S. law enforcement agencies. Lie Number 2. I don’t consider George and Judy Harris “Professionals.”

    They formed this bogus Association claiming it protected the membership from U.S. law enforcement agencies, which is Lie Number 3. It does no such thing. Not only that, the “Professional” management team was taking legal advice from a convicted felon in forming this association. Still consider George and Judy “Professionals?”

    As for Donna, yes I do think she is in over her head. I don’t think she had a clue of how bad things were, and how much of a mess she inherited.

    I have over twenty years of business management consulting experience. All of the things they are now srambling to fix, should have been done before AVG opened its doors. To be honest, I think they thought all the former members of ASD were going to “flock” to AVG with no questions asked. It was sold as the means to get your ASD money back. They didn’t count on having to deal with members who were not going to buy the ASD hype this time. It caught them by surprise. Now there is a whole laundry list of things AVG should have had in place before they opened their doors, but I am not going to list them here.

    The only problem they have, and it is a huge problem is when they opened their doors, they were a Ponzi. AVG was no different that ASD except for the name of the company. All the fixing they are now trying to do will not remove the fact they were illegal when they started.

    People who support AVG seem to think that as long as you “eventually” get legal, it is OK. That is why I referenced being a little bit pregnant and calling a drug dealer a licensed pharmacist does not change anything. It was to illustrate that you cannot make something that was illegal, legal after the fact.

    You also forget I was not writing for you, or Joe, but for those who are still undecided on whether or not to join AVGA. Whether or not you like my methods, is your prerogative.

    For a company that has claimed since day one that they “learned” from the mistakes of ASD, but in reality have not learned one thing, until now. Now they are trying to close the barn door after the horse has left the barn. In fact, they have had far more missteps than ASD ever did. So much for learning from the mistakes of ASD and this being run by “Professionals.”

    Just so you know, this is not about winning an argument. This is about keeping people from becoming part of an illegal program. And make no mistake about it, AVGA is an illegal program. All the changes they are making will not change that fact, and are too little too late. When a company has “secrets” it means they have something to hide, and AVG has had a lot to hide.

    Because I banter with you and Joe, as well as being sarcastic, does not mean that I don’t like either of you. I agree, I think you and Joe are good people. The only difference is I think you are grossly misguided in your loyalty to AVGA. It may come back to bite you big time.

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  29. Correction,
    if you guarantee 125% return or any amount to an investor or the right to participation in a revenue stream you are in violation of US Security Commission laws .YOU my friend are selling other US citizens and thus are just as guilty as those with AVGA.You along with other MARKETERS will be guilty of selling unregistered securities.YOU are messing with Fire.Believe this!Those you are dealing with at AVGA including Donna who is now an accessory to the crimes have no idea as to what they are doing.YOU can be and are just as guilty!The strong arm of the American government will come after you wherever you may claim home!Remember Attorneys aren’t cheap!

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  30. You can write a book or a long oration concerning the pitfalls of joining or not joining AVGA or the many reasons why it is illegal or legal. But no matter what is said here or in other forums the main fact is that this like so many other get rich quick schemes is and always will be……

    A GREAT BIG SCAM!

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  31. Cathy G.—You are so quick to comment and condemn, but you have’nt got a clue. Your explaination of the money at AVGA was an embarrassment to any one with a brain. Do you know how far of you were? My God woman, think before you laugh at a valid proposal.

    …and I haven’t got a clue…right
    …valid proposal….right

    Correction is definitely a she and is definitely an ASD forum moderator.

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  32. Sharron,

    There is no known legal surf business out there. Every one of the older surfs was either shut down by the authorities because they were illegal, or they imploded before they could be shut down (they were illegal too) because all surfs are mathematically unsustainable businesses (since all of them exponentially generate liabilities that eventually can never get paid, like any pyramid-type scheme). It is possible to construct a surf business that is legal and sustainable, but all of those models do not create a rich group of insiders, so no one even trys. They all go for the illegal fraud approach, and hope to get rich and then sneak away before getting caught. Current fraidulaent schemes include: AdSurfDaily (shut down, owner – Bowdoin — admitted it is illegal), AVG — run by the same folks as ASD, Noobing, PushButtonExtreme or PBX– promoted by one of the ASD promoters, BizAdSplash — started by an ASD insider and promoted by a serial Ponzi promoter who promoted ASD as well. Unfortunately, lots more where these came from. What you see are the same insiders and so-called “Ponzi Playas” over and over and over again. They make money by keeping a list of victims and recruiting people over and over again into the newest, and equally illegal, program by acting as a visionarty sponsor, making all sorts of claims.

    Sharron: Is there anything out there that actually works? Legal and all!

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  33. Correction: But the truth means everything.

    Correction, if you are going to stand on a platform of “Truth”, then do so with both legs on and not with one dangling off the side.

    Make your next post with your real name, that would be a good start.

    Now, before you come back with a “you don’t use your real name” type argument “why should I”, remember you are the one pronouncing your commitment to the “Truth”. Perhaps it needs to carry the full intended weight you proclaim.

    Otherwise, your proclamation it is nothing more than “Hypocrisy”.

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  34. Hey Correction………..my avatar on the other forum is the marshmallow man from Ghost Busters………but thanks for the observation!

    And please tell Donna she is more than welcome to “sue” me anytime she wants.

    AVG, DOnna, and those Harris bums can threaten all they want, we both know that they will NEVER intentionally involve any legal actions that my draw attention to this autosurf PONZI scheme.

    How many more days are the cashouts suspended? It’d be a shame if you couldn’t pay your internet bill…….who would I poke fun at for my own personal amusement?!?!

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  35. Their forum is back up and running…probably since people were coming here Patrick to get the latest info.
    Thank you again for keeping this going. I do appreciate being able to voice opinions without censorship, unless it’s UF.
    Regarding censorship, that is left to ASD/AVGA forums.

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  36. Again I will ask you here that know all about Ponzi schemes, why have they not arrested Andy or anyone else for that matter? Don’t tell me because it’s not over yet. I understand more lawsuits are coming and that will go on for years. If this was so illegal and a Ponzi scheme that only Judge Colleyer was forced into saying in her court room then why are they not arresting anyone?

    When you can answer that with good solid information maybe I might even start believing that something was done illegal. You keep saying ASD and AVG are connected but I don’t see Judy Harris’s or George Harris’s name anywhere on any court documents previously posted. But even if they are so what, again I bring you back to why are they not in jail by now?

    The government saw a chance to take down ASD and it did but never had they ever thought about arresting anyone!

    Just an interesting note here for you as well I did a search for Ponzi schemes and found only 2 internet surfing companies that were busted up by our very very very too large of government officials and that was 12 daily pro and ASD. WOW! They are really pounding them aren’t they!

    Have you looked on the internet lately folks, there are hundreds if not thousands of these little babies all over the place!! I think AVG is at least trying to get out of that mold and I for one hope they succeed!!

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  37. In light of finally announcing that George and Judy Harris are the “Owners” of AVGA, I had to wonder why they were the only ones who were mentioned, and not the others? AVG made this major effort to distance itself from ASD by proclaiming that it had nothing to do with ASD. The mere fact they made this a major statement in itself made me believe this was not true. Just like claiming you are not a Ponzi is supposed to make people believe you are not a Ponzi. I have found when a company says this, they are a Ponzi. Name me one legitimate company that proclaims in its advertising they are not a Ponzi. You can’t.

    The fact the ownership of AVGA was kept a secret for so long also raised a lot of red flags. With the known owners ties to ASD, I wonder what the membership would think when they find out the other owners of AVGA also were part of ASD, thus totally exposing the lie AVGA did not have any ties to ASD as repeatedly stated?

    It also made me wonder if Andy’s Paperless Access video was nothing more than a diversion tactic to make it appear he was not part of AVGA as a silent partner. Rumors were flying that he was behind AVG, and what better way to throw suspicion off him than doing the Paperless Access video. Once the video was taken down, Paperless Access totally disappeared. A cooincidence?

    I think the membership of AVGA will be shocked to find out how deep AVGA is tied to ASD. Just as Andy made sweetheart deals to certain people and groups, you can bet AVGA did the same thing. One day the truth will come out, and then things are really going to get interesting.

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  38. Chris,

    Have you seen Andy’s Medal of Dinstinction for his contributions to business?

    Andy is delaying the wheels of justice with his nonsense pro-se filings. As soon as that matter is resolved, I can guarantee Andy Bowdoin and several others will be arrested.

    I wonder if Andy made his $100 restitution this month?

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  39. Cathy G.: Their forum is back up and running…probably since people were coming here Patrick to get the latest info.Thank you again for keeping this going. I do appreciate being able to voice opinions without censorship, unless it’s UF.Regarding censorship, that is left to ASD/AVGA forums.

    Don’t you mean the latest misinfo? Really Cathy G you are not a very accurate reporter. Coming here for AVGA facts is like going to the desert for a glass of water. It’s down there but nobody is digging for it. They just accept the desolate terrain and label everything a ponzi…er..desert. Is anyone thirty for the truth?

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  40. Chris
    How about the $100k plus Mr. Bowdoin screwed one of his wives out of .She has a judgment against him and according to one of the articles he still owes it.
    Nice ! HUH? You must be a trusting soul with your money!NO guarantees to pay anything out!Yet they say they will .The program can change at anytime, according to the agreements. With a limited amount of research you can see they have already, but not in your favor.Andy the owner set up 10 bank accounts while sole owner of ASD in his own name,Not a business name . Secret bank accounts now in AVGA .Is it a legit business ?Right so is the Mafia. AVGA in it’s entirety is a SCAM. Wake up! You stand a better chance of winnning the National Lottery.

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  41. Lynndel Edgington: CORRECTION:In regard to your post getting it all off your chest, I want to address your statements directed to me.I am making fun of the owners of AVGA.I am doing it because of what they said when they started AVG.They were the ones who said AVG was being run by a “Professional Team.”They were the ones who said that AVG had “NO” ties to ASD.They were the ones who claimed AVG was not subject to U.S. law enforcement agencies because they registered the company offshore.Whether or not you like it, those are facts.So what have we learned since then?Why low and beholdthe owners (at least those named so far) have direct ties to ASD, as does members of the AVG Management Team.Lie Number 1.The offshore registration does not exempt AVG from being subject to U.S. law enforcement agencies.Lie Number 2.I don’t consider George and Judy Harris “Professionals.”They formed this bogus Association claiming it protected the membership from U.S. law enforcement agencies, which is Lie Number 3.It does no such thing.Not only that, the “Professional” management team was taking legal advice from a convicted felon in forming this association.Still consider George and Judy “Professionals?”
    As for Donna, yes I do think she is in over her head.I don’t think she had a clue of how bad things were, and how much of a mess she inherited.I have over twenty years of business management consulting experience.All of the things they are now srambling to fix, should have been done before AVG opened its doors.To be honest, I think they thought all the former members of ASD were going to “flock” to AVG with no questions asked.It was sold as the means to get your ASD money back.They didn’t count on having to deal with members who were not going to buy the ASD hype this time.It caught them by surprise.Now there is a whole laundry list of things AVG should have had in place before they opened their doors, but I am not going to list them here.The only problem they have, and it is a huge problem is when they opened their doors, they were a Ponzi.AVG was no different that ASD except for the name of the company.All the fixing they are now trying to do will not remove the fact they were illegal when they started.People who support AVG seem to think that as long as you “eventually” get legal, it is OK.That is why I referenced being a little bit pregnant and calling a drug dealer a licensed pharmacist does not change anything.It was to illustrate that you cannot make something that was illegal, legal after the fact.You also forget I was not writing for you, or Joe, but for those who are still undecided on whether or not to join AVGA. Whether or not you like my methods, is your prerogative.For a company that has claimed since day one that they “learned” from the mistakes of ASD, but in reality have not learned one thing, until now.Now they are trying to close the barn door after the horse has left the barn.In fact, they have had far more missteps than ASD ever did. So much for learning from the mistakes of ASD and this being run by “Professionals.”Just so you know, this is not about winning an argument.This is about keeping people from becoming part of an illegal program.And make no mistake about it, AVGA is an illegal program.All the changes they are making will not change that fact, and are too little too late. When a company has “secrets” it means they have something to hide, and AVG has had a lot to hide.
    Because I banter with you and Joe, as well as being sarcastic, does not mean that I don’t like either of you.I agree, I think you and Joe are good people. The only difference is I think you are grossly misguided in your loyalty to AVGA.It may come back to bite you big time.

    Well if AVGA is not protected by being offshore and are subject to US law enforcement and they are illegal then why are they not being brought to justice? As far as George and Judy being professionals, who ever said they were also managing as well as owning? Now I will say this you won’t get an argument from me about whoever was managing it doing some absolutely bonehead things and making some really stupid decisions. That much is clear but thats why Donna and SD is there and i don’t think they are in over their head at all. Do they have a mess, Hell yes but they are up to the task. Previous poor management does not make them criminal just bad managers and guess what they have been fired or demoted at the very least. I’m glad because they screwed me up too. Now, I’ll play devils advocate here, lets pretend they were illegal which I definitely am not saying they were, but if they were and now the new management is changing all of that then what is the problem?They are building a completely legal opportunity where people can make a living. Now that being said If they were illegal then there should be charges right? I don’t see any! Your sensationalist headline about being mentioned in another lawsuit is weak and you know it but all you patrick idolizers jump on every little thing he does. The bottom line is they are trying to build a business and the services they offer are services that they have been offering as Syndicate Digital and they have been very successful despite what some of these patricikites on here try to say. The fact that there are no charges means A. They really are protected or B. “they aint done nuthin wrong” take your pick.

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  42. CORRECTION!: Is anyone thirty for the truth?

    Again Correction, if you are going to stand on a platform of “Truth”, then do so with both legs on and not with one dangling off the side.

    Make your next post with your real name, that would be a good start.

    Now, before you come back with a “you don’t use your real name” type argument “why should I”, remember you are the one pronouncing your commitment to the “Truth”. Perhaps it needs to carry the full intended weight you proclaim.

    Otherwise, your proclamation it is nothing more than “Hypocrisy”.

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  43. joe: The fact that there are no charges means A. They really are protected or B. “they aint done nuthin wrong” take your pick.

    Aw little joe, there is an option C you left out, “gathering evidence in anticipation of filing charges”.

    I choose option C.

    Big Joe

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  44. Private i: Correction,
    if you guarantee 125% return or any amount to an investor or the right to participation in a revenue stream you are in violation of US Security Commission laws .YOU my friend are selling other US citizens and thus are just as guilty as those with AVGA.You along with other MARKETERS will be guilty of selling unregistered securities.YOU are messing with Fire.Believe this!Those you are dealing with at AVGA including Donna who is now an accessory to the crimes have no idea as to what they are doing.YOU can be and are just as guilty!The strong arm of the American government will come after you wherever you may claim home!Remember Attorneys aren’t cheap!

    Check your laws pal. I mean use your head do you really think a company that’s trying to build a huge legitimate enterprise didn’t check legalities? That is completely moronic especially with all of the attention, well all of the attention on this tiny cyber rag anyway, on ASD. Law enforcement is definitely looking at these things and it doesn’t matter who admits what as far as ownership and ties or whatever the govt knows who is involved. I don’t see any charges, why? Oh I know they are putting it all together right?

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  45. Correction: Get ready to see Donna Rougeau right this ship,

    Reminds me of that old joke about someone on the Titanic asking a waiter for more ice for his drink.

    Correction: And I can’t leave out the AVGA members who don’t get it yet.

    Correction: Her dilemma now is an uninformed, seemingly at least partly unwilling and mostly confused membership that did not get what she wrote today as she tried to explain the changes.

    Patrick, I remember another bit of bad PR. There were those statements that blamed the banking problems on the members who sent in $9500. It’s an odd company that treats it’s “members in such a way. Assumes the “members” are too thick to understand and so removes a forum because of “confusing posts”. Blames “members” for banking problems. And now they “don’t get it”.

    Correction: Why do you think Donna R stepped up.

    I think she is looking for names to build a down line.

    Correction: Donna and her company turned around the mess she inherited in 8 days…8 days…have you seen that website? http://www.adviewglobal.com I don’t know the web developement business, and maybe she did just an ok job, but I am impressed

    Was it Donna who put in that button that allowed the fraudulent activity?

    Correction: Yeah, you can advertise on the rotator platform if you want to and get paid 125% of your ad dollars back…guaranteed.

    125% back. Now where have I heard that before? But don’t call it an “investment”. I especially like the “guaranteed” bit. Remember folks, the 125% return is “guaranteed”.

    Correction: How can they do this…Syndicate Digital that’s how. The 25% profit is a loss leader designed to get members to buy and sell AVGA/SD products and create even more revenue for the membership to share.

    I wonder if Entertained would care to pull the maths apart on how a 125% guaranteed return becomes a 25% profit on a loss leader.

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  46. joe: I don’t see any charges, why? Oh I know they are putting it all together right?

    Hey joe;

    You reminded me of an old joke:
    A workman fell off the roof of a 30 story building. As he passed a window at the 15th floor, someone asked him how he was doing. His response: “So far, so good”

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  47. Joe,

    Federal investigations take TIME. Some drug investigations take over a year before the feds move in. They will be coming, just like they did for ASD.

    The Feds said they will indict Andy Bowdoin……..that’s coming too.

    Barry Bonds was indicted sometime after a 4 year federal investigation………….

    Your ship has a hole in it Joe, and the Feds keep poking more holes…….Donna cannot plug them, so forget it.

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  48. joe: I mean use your head do you really think a company that’s trying to build a huge legitimate enterprise didn’t check legalities?

    Here’s another issue for you, joe.

    AVG reported that the “association” which turned AVG into AVGA was formed using the services of Karl Dahlstrom of ProAdvocates.com. You may want to Google both, for one of the things he purports to offer is the ability to join one of his associations and receive legal advice without using lawyers.

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  49. Tony H:

    Correction: Get ready to see Donna Rougeau right this ship,

    Reminds me of that old joke about someone on the Titanic asking a waiter for more ice for his drink.

    Correction: And I can’t leave out the AVGA members who don’t get it yet.

    Correction: Her dilemma now is an uninformed, seemingly at least partly unwilling and mostly confused membership that did not get what she wrote today as she tried to explain the changes.

    Patrick, I remember another bit of bad PR. There were those statements that blamed the banking problems on the members who sent in $9500. It’s an odd company that treats it’s “members in such a way. Assumes the “members” are too thick to understand and so removes a forum because of “confusing posts”. Blames “members” for banking problems. And now they “don’t get it”.

    Correction: Why do you think Donna R stepped up.

    I think she is looking for names to build a down line.

    Correction: Donna and her company turned around the mess she inherited in 8 days…8 days…have you seen that website? http://www.adviewglobal.com I don’t know the web developement business, and maybe she did just an ok job, but I am impressed

    Was it Donna who put in that button that allowed the fraudulent activity?

    Correction: Yeah, you can advertise on the rotator platform if you want to and get paid 125% of your ad dollars back…guaranteed.

    125% back. Now where have I heard that before? But don’t call it an “investment”. I especially like the “guaranteed” bit. Remember folks, the 125% return is “guaranteed”.

    Correction: How can they do this…Syndicate Digital that’s how. The 25% profit is a loss leader designed to get members to buy and sell AVGA/SD products and create even more revenue for the membership to share.

    I wonder if Entertained would care to pull the maths apart on how a 125% guaranteed return becomes a 25% profit on a loss leader.

    So smug…so off the mark. You cmments are a joke.

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  50. So far everyone of you clowns have commented on my remarks and you have all tried to be funny and act smarter than you obviouly are, and you all failed to be fair and accurate. I’m here to show you know-it-alls that there is no free ride with the truth. Make a false comment and be called what you are…biased…telling half truths and laughing at something that you obviously do not understand. Why are you so ready to accept false statements about AVGA. Because you want it to fail ;that’s why, not to save a poor ad purchaser and their money. OOOh no… You are a bunch of people with too much free time who just want to say you are smarter than everybody else.!! I know the truth…and you ain’t tellin it!!!

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  51. CORRECTION!: I’m here to show you know-it-alls that there is no free ride with the truth.

    For the 3rd time now Correction, if you are going to stand on a platform of “Truth”, then do so with both legs on and not with one dangling off the side.

    Make your next post with your real name, that would be a good start.

    Now, before you come back with a “you don’t use your real name” type argument “why should I”, remember you are the one pronouncing your commitment to the “Truth”. Perhaps it needs to carry the full intended weight you proclaim.

    Otherwise, your proclamation it is nothing more than “Hypocrisy”.

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  52. Joe:

    CORRECTION!: I’m here to show you know-it-alls that there is no free ride with the truth.

    For the 3rd time now Correction, if you are going to stand on a platform of “Truth”, then do so with both legs on and not with one dangling off the side.Make your next post with your real name, that would be a good start.Now, before you come back with a “you don’t use your real name” type argument “why should I”, remember you are the one pronouncing your commitment to the “Truth”. Perhaps it needs to carry the full intended weight you proclaim.Otherwise, your proclamation it is nothing more than “Hypocrisy”.

    Deal with it!

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  53. Correction!!

    Can you please tell me if Andy Bowdoin has been and intends to continue making his court ordered restitution of $100 a month?

    Can you also tell me what the Harris family thinks of this?

    Thanks!

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  54. CORRECTION!:

    Joe:

    CORRECTION!: I’m here to show you know-it-alls that there is no free ride with the truth.

    For the 3rd time now Correction, if you are going to stand on a platform of “Truth”, then do so with both legs on and not with one dangling off the side.Make your next post with your real name, that would be a good start.Now, before you come back with a “you don’t use your real name” type argument “why should I”, remember you are the one pronouncing your commitment to the “Truth”. Perhaps it needs to carry the full intended weight you proclaim.Otherwise, your proclamation it is nothing more than “Hypocrisy”.

    Deal with it!

    No need for me to deal with it, it is your “Platform of Truth”

    True colors are shining through.

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  55. Oh, and could you have “Donna” ask Mr. Harris to pass along a few things to his mother and step father!?!

    1.) Did they get the brownies I sent them?
    2.) Thank you SOO much for the VOIP phone gift that costs me $19 a month. It really has helped my financial security.
    3.) Tell them I won’t be able to make it to the lake this 4th. I was really looking forward to using the water toys purchased for my benefit, since I was in fact and ASD member.

    Please tell me whos ass is fatter in a swim suit: Pont, Terralyn, McIntyre, or Simmons.

    Thanks so much! You’re a peach.

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  56. Happy to do so and it is quite easy. It is actually the original ASD Black Box analysis…..but for kicks, let’s try this. AVG has stated they have 20,000 members. If they all kicked in $1000, and Andy, errr, I mean Andy’s kids, get to keep 50% = $10 MM, that leaves $10 MM remaining to pay off the guaranteed rebates of 125%. Hmmmmm, 20,000*1000*125% = $25,000,000 so we are a little bit short of paying off that guaranteed rebate. We need to come up with $15 MM in additional operating income to balance the books. Let’s say that Donna is two times as good as little joe and CORRECTION! say she is, and that SD is a good viable company. Well, the good viable company will have to willingly give $15 MM of their operating income to the AVG members, and of course what good company wouldn’t jump at that chance? Perhaps MSFT should be called — maybe they want to get in on it, or Berkshire Hathaway — Warren’s always looking for a good investment (nice guy too). OK, when I looked at SD’s web site, zero chance they have $15 MM in operating income — no big clients, mediocre website (see: lots of grammatical errors, mediocre low-end business clientele (no Fortune 1000 companies, for example….). Anyway, AVG would appear to have no way to come up with the additional $15 MM. Oh wait, they can recruit more victims, use the new victims money, and pay off the old obligations. They’ll only need 30,000 new members at $1000 apiece (half of that goes to Andy’s kids). Not sure what they will then do……those new 30,000 people have created a GUARANTEED liability of $37.5 MM. No problem, just bring in 75,000 more people at $1000 (and Andy’s kids get half). Of course, the new liability is $93.75 MM.
    Hmmmmm, where does it end????? Well, 5 more steps and we need to recruit 7,324,200 new members at $1000 apiece. By now, AVG is a Fortune 500 company, somewhere around #333. But wait!!!! Five more iterations and we’ll need every man, woman, and child in the US, Russia, Japan, Germany, and France combined, and we will have become the 3rd largest company in the US, behind ExxonMobil and WalMart. Unfortunately, the GURANTEED!!!!!! rebate liability has swollen to almost $900 Billion! The good news is, Andy’s kids are by far the richest people on the planet, worth 8 times what Gates and Buffett are worth combined. So, let’s work through a few more cycles to get rid of that debt obligation…..

    3 more cycles and Houston, we have a problem. There aren’t enough earthlings to fund the program, at $1000 apiece. No problem though — we’ll just have every living human on the planet contribute $2000. Now, AVG is the largest economic entity on the planet, with revenues exceeding the GDP of the European Union and the US.

    PEOPLE, OF COURSE THIS IS REAL! OF COURSE THIS CAN HAPPEN! DONNA, CORRECTION, AND little joe SAY IT CAN!!!!

    Sorry pro-AVG’ers, no aliem math here, just math based on your laughable 125% GUARANTEED!!!!

    Tony H:

    …..I wonder if Entertained would care to pull the maths apart on how a 125% guaranteed return becomes a 25% profit on a loss leader.

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  57. Chris,

    Here is a link to the court document that describes the seizure of the property that the HArris’s obtained through their illegal activities in ASD: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-dcdce/case_no-1:2008cv02205/case_id-134498/

    Sorry if you missed that. Dear old daddy (Harris’s daddy, Andy Bowdoin) has twice admitted that ASD was operating illegally, once in his proffer letter and once in his pro se filing.

    AVG on the other hand has only admitted once that they are operating illegally. In a very recent post on the official AVG site they said the sweeping changes are comiong to AVG, in summary that they will be having external revenue and that THEY WILL BE 100% LEGAL. Not my words. They describe being 100% legal as a sweeping change, ergo they were not legal before by their own admission……

    Chris: …..When you can answer that with good solid information maybe I might even start believing that something was done illegal. You keep saying ASD and AVG are connected but I don’t see Judy Harris’s or George Harris’s name anywhere on any court documents previously posted……

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  58. Entertained,

    Watch…….they’ll come back and say “who says everyone is putting in $1,000” or some other dumb defense.

    I can confidently say after reading entertaineds post that I “understand the business model” lol.

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  59. Entertained: Sorry pro-AVG’ers, no aliem math here, just math based on your laughable 125% GUARANTEED!!!!

    But, but, but, Entertained…the 80/20 rule says victims, aka members, aka advertisers can only really have 20% of what they “earn”. By mandate from the wizards behind the curtain, 80% must be reinvested back into more “advertising”. Surely that helps, doesn’t it? After all, that 80% is only bits of data on a computer monitor if they can’t avccess it.

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  60. I firmly believe that those of you on this blog should be ashamed of yourselves

    Why…because you allow yourselves to mislead people you are “genuinely” trying to help.

    No way, Jose – I am not at all ashamed of myself and you can take the quotations off the word “genuinely” (yes you are right – the name is Jenny Stewart, owner of Alas y Cia. – not Correction nor joe nor Joe L nor any other pretend name)

    The owner of this blog and the majority of the writers are genuinely trying to help people from falling into the trap of yet another autosurf which will end up causing pain and suffering – both to their bank accounts and to their friendships and families. This has been the result of the failures of CEP 12DP, ASD etc etc. People have not only lost large sums of money they can ill afford to lose, it is worse – it has damaged relationships with friends and family who they involved and who also lost money. Yup, the winners were there and got their money out in time and made profits – but the rest…………. ?? The only thing that I am ashamed of is having promoted ASD, of not having understood the financial model of ASD to work out that it was unsustainable and also of having fallen for so many lies.

    AVGA has yet to demonstrate the facts and figures necessary to convince most people that they are operating legally and sustainably. IF they did so, then that would be great and, believe me, they would be left alone by the critics- and we would probably all join too. Why not,? A legal way to advertise and make a profit from your advertising would be great. The problem is that no one has come up with a way yet that is totally legal and sustainable.

    Whilst I am in agrement with you that belittling people is not necessarily the best way to convince them, you yourself are hardly the best person to make that observation – people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. The correspondence by yourself and joe has been very damaging to any professional image AVGA might have had.

    Ad hominen attacks on individuals do not convince. I neither know nor care who you really are (although I could make an educated guess) and am not about to start to make personal comments about you or any other poster. If you wish to make comments about me – feel free. WHEN I write doesnt change the realities of WHAT I write. I do care when I see you writing down things that are NOT facts, but are nothing more than propaganda and you call them facts. That IS misleading people.

    We were members of ASD, remember? We have read all the Court documents and discussions by both sides and are more than able to make our assessments of the situation based on the facts available to us. The majority of us understand that, not only were we conned, but we also allowed ourselves to fall for the smoke and mirrors of the “business plan” which was in fact mathematically totally unsustainable and illegal. Most of us also know that we were lied to. And curiously enough, many of the people who lied to us now seem to be part of AVGA.

    Read this. https://www.betternetworker.com/articles/view/asd-was-it-really-a-ponzi-scheme

    I found it today. This guy explains it so clearly. We were idiots and got screwed. But only once.

    If AVGA is not a ponzi and never was a ponzi – the FACTS AND FIGURES will save it from an ignominious destiny., not any dramatic posts by you and your friends. It’s books will balance and its members will have sucessful results from their advertising and make money. If it is A PONZI – then it will not last long. It will either collapse insolvent, or will have legal trouble which it cannot get out of and then you will have demonstrated yourself to be guilty of conning others – because I suspect you know exactly what its going on. And if you dont, it is because you have not taken advantage of the very clear explanations given by Entertained on the Black Box Test on the mathematics, and the other information of the legality or not of businesses outside the US. and those with overpriced and dubious products.

    Correction and joe, Terralynn, Joe L, Kat, Laura, Barb1 and Bar2 and all the rest of you – If your company is what you say it is – give us facts and figures – then we will leave you alone or join you. However, until you can do this – save your breathe

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  61. Edit: After all, that 80% is only bits of data on a computer monitor if they can’t access it.

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  62. Sicilian: Oh, and could you have “Donna” ask Mr. Harris to pass along a few things to his mother and step father!?!1.) Did they get the brownies I sent them?2.) Thank you SOO much for the VOIP phone gift that costs me $19 a month. It really has helped my financial security.3.) Tell them I won’t be able to make it to the lake this 4th. I was really looking forward to using the water toys purchased for my benefit, since I was in fact and ASD member.Please tell me whos ass is fatter in a swim suit: Pont, Terralyn, McIntyre, or Simmons.Thanks so much! You’re a peach.

    This is good! A real laugh out loud!

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  63. I wondered how long it would take before the “why hasn’t AVGA been shut down if it is Illegal, or Andy hasn’t been charged with a crime so how is ASD not legal mantra” would be invoked. Actually it took longer than I had expected. But I knew it would at some point, usually about the time all the other excuses for AVGA had been exhausted.

    I especially love CORRECTION’s definition of what is truth. Funny that is the first time I have seen truth spelled HYPOCRISY.

    Chris, in regard to your listing of just 12DP and ASD as being the only surf companies raided, I call your attention to CEP and PhoenixSurf, and Megalido who just disappeared on its lonesome without any government intervention. Hmmm, a program that many ASD heavyweights were also promoting by the way. Many of whom were also in either 12DP or CEP or both. Not a good track record following their recommendations of a great program now is it. But you really should read: http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/autosurf.htm. You must might learn something. Now I could have named more auto-surf programs that have bit the dust, but you look them up.

    I just love how JOE and CORRECTION keep thinking that if you just give AVGA enough time, they will become legit; and it is no big deal they were illegal when they opened their doors. Of course they also overlook on major important legality. In AVGA’s Articles of Association, they say and I quote: “This Association will be construed and interpreted under the laws of the State of Florida, U.S. Constitution and the Florida Constitution.”

    Now what is really important about that statement is this: To be a legally registered company, AVGA must be registered in the State of Florida. Hmmmm, a check of the Florida Records Department for all the various agencies in which they must be registered, AVGA is missing in action. That means they are ILLEGAL. So all this posturing about trying to get all the revenue streams in place now that the horse is out of the barn, are all for naught. They were ILLEGAL when they opened their doors both Federal and on the State level. So please JOE, tell me this is no big deal. By the way, has anyone realized that AVGA has not paid any “taxes” on all of this “outside income?” So when you do the math again Entertained, don’t forget to toss in this factor as well. But keep on trying to convince us AVGA is legal and can sustain itself. It is just a matter of time, and I think AVGA will go down before any agency takes action. They will be lucky to last the next 10 days.

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  64. So smug…so off the mark. You cmments are a joke.

    And yet, you clowns still can not provide any proof to the contrary.

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  65. CORRECTION!: I’m here to show you know-it-alls that there is no free ride with the truth. Make a false comment and be called what you are…biased…telling half truths and laughing at something that you obviously do not understand.

    And yet you have not provided anything to back up what you say. Just because you say it, doesn’t make it so.

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  66. Entertained: OK, when I looked at SD’s web site, zero chance they have $15 MM in operating income — no big clients, mediocre website (see: lots of grammatical errors, mediocre low-end business clientele (no Fortune 1000 companies, for example….)

    You may have also missed the hidden domain registration information.

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  67. PAt,

    Interestingly, the 80/20 rule makes it worse, since you STILL have a guaranteed payout of 125%, but in the meantime you are compounding the liabilities…..but of course, you are correct — the $$$ are really just domains on a hard disk, not real money…..I am glad you didn’t ask me about the 200% and 250% matching bonus. The end result is of course the same……just faster.

    Pat Dunn:

    Entertained: Sorry pro-AVG’ers, no alien math here, just math based on your laughable 125% GUARANTEED!!!!

    But, but, but, Entertained…the 80/20 rule says victims, aka members, aka advertisers can only really have 20% of what they “earn”. By mandate from the wizards behind the curtain, 80% must be reinvested back into more “advertising”. Surely that helps, doesn’t it? After all, that 80% is only bits of data on a computer monitor if they can’t avccess it.

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  68. ….you did before…..pyramid scheme in the form of a Ponzi…..even Donna knows that (now).

    Sicilian: Entertained,Watch…….they’ll come back and say “who says everyone is putting in $1,000″ or some other dumb defense.I can confidently say after reading entertaineds post that I “understand the business model” lol.

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  69. Whip,

    For certain! Do you have the hidden domain reg. info?

    Whip:

    Entertained: OK, when I looked at SD’s web site, zero chance they have $15 MM in operating income — no big clients, mediocre website (see: lots of grammatical errors, mediocre low-end business clientele (no Fortune 1000 companies, for example….)

    You may have also missed the hidden domain registration information.

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  70. Alasycia,

    A better qualifier might be “no one yet has wanted to do the hard work of developing and launching a legal surf-like entity.” It is actually pretty easy to do what you suggest — legal and sustainable. One problem — it is hard work and the usual promoters will not get rich quick or otherwise. There are at least half a dozen legal sustainable variants, and probably many more (I know I’ve posted 6). Unfortunately, AVG, ASD, BAS, PBX, 12DP, CEP, Noobing, and every other known surf are not using those legal sustainable variants……

    alasycia: …… A legal way to advertise and make a profit from your advertising would be great. The problem is that no one has come up with a way yet that is totally legal and sustainable.

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  71. Entertained: Whip,For certain!Do you have the hidden domain reg. info?

    Whip:

    Entertained: OK, when I looked at SD’s web site, zero chance they have $15 MM in operating income — no big clients, mediocre website (see: lots of grammatical errors, mediocre low-end business clientele (no Fortune 1000 companies, for example….)

    You may have also missed the hidden domain registration information.

    Registrant:
    Domains by Proxy, Inc.
    DomainsByProxy.com
    15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
    Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
    United States

    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
    Domain Name: SYNDICATEDIGITAL.COM
    Created on: 12-Jul-99
    Expires on: 12-Jul-10
    Last Updated on: 12-Jul-05

    Administrative Contact:
    Private, Registration SYNDICATEDIGITAL.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
    Domains by Proxy, Inc.
    DomainsByProxy.com
    15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
    Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
    United States
    (480) 624-2599 Fax — (480) 624-2598

    Technical Contact:
    Private, Registration SYNDICATEDIGITAL.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
    Domains by Proxy, Inc.
    DomainsByProxy.com
    15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
    Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
    United States
    (480) 624-2599 Fax — (480) 624-2598

    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS1.TERA-BYTE.COM
    NS2.TERA-BYTE.COM

    GODADDY.COM, INC.
    IP Address: 216.194.87.97 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
    IP Location: CA(CANADA)-SASKATCHEWAN-SASKATOON
    Record Type: Domain Name
    Server Type: Apache 1
    Lock Status: clientDeleteProhibited
    Web Site Status: Active
    DMOZ 1 listings
    Y! Directory: see listings
    Web Site Title: Direct Marketing Experts – The Internnet Marketing Center – Syndicate Digital
    Secure: No
    E-commerce: Yes
    Traffic Ranking: Not available
    Data as of: 22-Oct-2005

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  72. Thx Whip,

    Why am I not surprised that a company affiliated with AVG (Syndicate Digital) doesn’t want anybody to easily track who they are? Folks, this information points out that they are trying to hide the real contact info for SD. SD does not have their own public domain. Legal, but shady in the context of their AVG connection. Real companies don’t do this….

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  73. We all know that its illegal and AVG is a scam..
    period

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  74. You guys will soon realize that AVG will be shut down again by the gov
    If they thought SEC can’t get to them because they are based in panama..they are mistaken..SO stupid

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  75. mike: You guys will soon realize that AVG will be shut down again by the gov
    If they thought SEC can’t get to them because they are based in panama..they are mistaken..SO stupid

    To be honest, I really don’t think the Government, or anybody else, for that matter, needs to worry about shutting AVG down.

    AVG is self imploding as we speak.

    It’s not going to be around long enough to waste any time on.

    If, there’s to be any prosecution/s, there’s time enough to do that after the fact. History tells us, though, it is unlikely there will be prosecution/s, more’s the pity.

    Besides, allowing “nature” to take its’ course, means there’s no need to worry about refunds, receivers or protracted legal proceedings.

    The money’s disappeared into the ether, been disbursed amongst the fraudsters or been redirected to some criminal/terrorist organization. Take your pick.

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