Guenther Acknowledges ‘Intimidating’ Autosurf Members For Refunds; Calls ASD-Biz Forum Readers ‘Left Wing Liberal No B***** People’; Says Woman A ‘Mouthy Broad’

The ASD Business Information Zone (ASD-Biz) forum covers news and opinion on AdSurfDaily, Golden Panda Ad Builder and what the forum describes as “Related Scams.” ASD-Biz has been a central discussion site on the subject of the ASD Members Business Association (ASDMBA).

Some ASD-Biz members have urged Bob Guenther, the de facto head of ASDMBA, to provide straightforward, transparent accounting of how ASDMBA spent money it collected from ASD members to provide legal representation in a bid to gain back money they spent in the ASD and Golden Panda autosurfs.

Among the assertions by ASDMBA’s critics is that members received no value for the money they contributed to ASDMBA. Specific concerns have been raised about Guenther’s leadership and management skills, including his ability to interact with people. Some members said Guenther seems to operate with the presumption that all people who contributed money to ASDMBA were Republican or conservative in their political beliefs, even though ASDMBA never advised contributors when it was collecting money that it had a political agenda.

Guenther pleaded guilty in the 1990s to a felony count of bank fraud — something members said they did not know when they contributed money to ASDMBA. Earlier this year Guenther was charged with two felony counts in Arizona for allegedly ignoring a court order not to harass a company with which he has a dispute.

Guenther initially said police had obtained evidence against him unlawfully. He now says the case will be settled.

Guenther has used the ASD-Biz forum to respond to his critics. Overnight he came out firing — but not before acknowledging ASDMBA engaged in intimidation tactics to retrieve money for members of the ASD and Golden Panda autosurfs.

“Vigilanteism, is that what you call intimidating a THIEF to give back money he stole from a disabled veteran,” Guenther said. “Is that what YOU call intimidating a thief like Busby to reimburse over $50,000 to a group of active and retired police officers, is that what you call to convince a young pretty scam artist to refund $4000 she stole from a Dallas executive[?]

“You call it what you want, I call it street justice,” Guenther said.

He then brought politics into the discussion, using street language. “Ill take my chances and if it bothers you, stay right where all you left wing liberal no balled people like to sit, on the sidelines.”

Earlier Guenther had cautioned an ASD-Biz poster to “Put up or shut up, you ignorant mouthy broad.”

His comments in which he acknowledged using intimidation tactics to retrieve money came in response to a link to a March news release from the FBI about allegations of attempted extortion against a California man. The agency said the man had “attemped to extort monies” to recover funds in the alleged EIMT Ponzi scheme.

Agents described the case against Michael David Sanders as a “shake-down scheme.” As the investigation proceeded, Sanders and three others who allegedly assisted him in recovering the money by posing as federal agents were charged with serious crimes.

No one asserts that Guenther posed as a federal agent in bids to recover money from the Golden Panda and ASD schemes. But ASDMBA’s website urged visitors to make an ASD member’s life “miserable until he refunds Mr. Smith’s $2,000.00 dollars.” The site published the phone number, postal address and email address of Dan Trost, Smith’s purported ASD sponsor.

“Call, email and write this man until he gives Bill Smith, Jr. his $2,000.00,” ASDMBA’s website urged.

ASDMBA members say Guenther frequently uses coarse language and engages in threatening, menacing conduct.

Guenther said the effort to get back money for Smith, a disabled veteran, was successful. ASDMBA’s website lists the effort to gain back the money as a “Testimonial” to the group’s effectiveness.

ASDMBA, however, has no license to engage in the collection of purported debts, and efforts to collect money on behalf of members occurred while a federal investigation into the business affairs of ASD and Golden Panda was under way.

Guether said the group retrieved funds for retired and active-duty police officers in Texas and California, and for a “high profile Dallas Cowboy” executive.

More than $14 million was seized from Golden Panda last year by the U.S. Secret Service in a wire-fraud, money-laundering, securities and Ponzi scheme probe. More than $65.8 million was seized from ASD, all of it in accounts maintained by ASD President Andy Bowdoin.

In recent days, Guenther has discouraged ASD victims from going through a government program to receive restitution from the alleged fraud, suggesting he has a way that cuts through government red tape.

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15 Responses to “Guenther Acknowledges ‘Intimidating’ Autosurf Members For Refunds; Calls ASD-Biz Forum Readers ‘Left Wing Liberal No B***** People’; Says Woman A ‘Mouthy Broad’”

  1. Patrick,

    Thanks for this article, I know someone who knows the police officer very well. Neither of them have a very high opinion of Bob. But then, Bob has a high enough opinion of himself to go around for everyone. I’m glad to be left wing if it puts me opposite to his ilk.

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  2. Thank you, Patrick, for this well put together post. Guenther has been a thorn in our side at ASD-BIZ ever since we started the forum. He is vile and ruthless in his childish name calling/bullying. We all know this tactic is used to divert focus on the main subject which is Guenthers ignorance of everything ASD, AND, his misuse of the asdmba AND Jaffa funds.

    I can not say we’ve not thought of NUMEROUS names that could easily be attached to Guenther. That’s EASY, but we’ve stayed away from this sort retaliation hoping he will just go away quietly. There are no fan clubs for him anywhere and every nausty thing he writes we leave up so he will KNOW his name calling has absolutely NO EFFECT.

    We are presently working on digging up the asdmba calls and posting them for the people who were not members. These recordings are unbelievable and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Guenther IS certifiably deranged..ofcourse, there is no doubt in anyones mind about that..

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  3. Among the assertions by ASDMBA’s critics is that members received no value for their money. Specific concerns have been raised about Guenther’s leadership and management skills, including his ability to interact with people. Some members said Guenther seems to operate with the presumption that all people who contributed money to ASDMBA were Republican or conservative in their political beliefs, even though ASDMBA never advised contributors when it was collecting money that it had a political agenda.

    You know, when I first spoke with Bob back in August 2008, I was under the impression that we were involved with a business professional who wished to help redress some of the wrongs that the ASD members were suffering.

    It didnt taked long to realise that we had not only been duped, but also that the same “professional” was in fact an extremist political nut with an axe to grind against more than a few people, that he was a compulsive liar who blames everyone but himself for his problems, and that he was in fact a convicted felon himself.

    Bob’s political prejudices (amongst others) are now well known throughout the internet and elsewhere within the ASD membership.

    Whilst I have no arguement with being called a left wing liberal – it is not an insult in Europe, so I will take it as a compliment – Bobbie seems to think he is insulting people by implying they do not share his extremist political views. Maybe the concepts of freedom of speech and freedom of thought are not ones he shares. He made it clear from early in the life of the ASDMBA that he was only interested in helping people who were both wealthy and shared his political beliefs. His total lack of regard for the poorer victims of ASD has to be seen to be believed. He asked for wealthy members to join the ASDMBA and not people who had lost small sums and had even less to contribute to get it back.

    Observing an ex military man going to the excesses to which Bob G indulges himself in is a very sad representation on the US military and I strongly suspect it is not an image that the US armed forces would take any pride in if they knew what was being done in their name.

    Sounds like Bobbie is still living a Rambo movie

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  4. Kathy,

    I have converted most of the phone calls to MP3 and will be placing the ones I have on a secure website for download. Due to their size they can not be emailed. As soon as I have them uploaded I will email you with the information.

    Now as to Robert L. Gunether there are no words that can be printed here that describes him or his continued abuse of the English language and people in general.

    Just like with the ASDMBA I think that I have figured out why he is telling everyone not to fill out the form. Lets say you have fifty thousand members and you are able to convince half not to file then that means that there is more money available for your friends (if he has any).

    What I have learned through several phones calls is that Robert L. Dan & Pam Richardson, Craig Weaver, Bobbies Daughter and Son and the one and only LF have filled out the very forms that they have told others not too. They have also failed to tell the Government (I did) that through the ASDMBA Scam they already had their money back and then some.

    Just like with Jaffa the money was used to payback Bob’s so called friends and there is no money available to give back to the people who deserve it.

    The one thing that I liked was Bob is now claiming that he is damaged and wants an apology. By the way Bob how is your Mother the Minister doing…performed any marriages.

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  5. “ASDMBA members say Guenther frequently uses coarse language and engages in threatening, menacing conduct.” For that matter, so did Larry Friedman, in a letter he wrote to Guenther!

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  6. Patrick has set up what appears to be just another blog for the Ning 9, making me wonder just how many hits you really get. I see you reference their site, rubbing each others back? Is this fair and balanced.. I think not, this site smites more of CNN or MSNBC.. Regarding ASD It caters to the same little left wing group that trolls all the blogs including MMORPG..

    Just to set Patrick’s narrative straight:

    1)There is and has been a complete and detailed accounting of every penny spent by the ASDMBA posted at http://www.asdmab.com. It has been posted since December, 2008 and has been updated twice. I have given Friedman and Feiger permission to share the ASDMBA billing with anyone he deems necessary.

    2)There was never any “assumptions, requirements, nor questionaire” of any potential ASDMBA member that inquired about, for that matter, cared about any political affiliation. Over 1800 people voluntarily contributed to the ASDMBA. The average contribution was $80.00… My references to the so called “Ning 9” as left wingers is simply a fact. A self admitted fact by the Members themselves, as they have proudly posted many times.. Their actions and words speak for themselves..

    3)I dont need a “license” to intimidate THIEVES, FORMER FELONS,CONVICTED CHILD ABUSERS, PAROLEES and PETTY SCAMMERS..
    All we needed was a small group of people with BALLS, a few political connections, and a attorney or two to exert some legal pressure.. And you have a problem with this WHY??? Are you a left wing tree hugger also or maybe a socialist waiting on the political Messiah to lead us to clear waters..

    4)I have not, nor am I trying to discourage anyone from filling out anything. I am simply informing anyone who executes the voluntary form and shares any information, opens themselves up to subpeona, deposition and/or a request for everything related to the involuntary information, including checking accounts, books, records etc which have to do with the claim or the investment in ASD.. And telling them rightfully so, that this is not a “Proof of Claim” form and will not expediate them getting any funds reimbursed.

    Since you were not around in November of last year, how about this site set up by the Feds right after Busby cut his deal with the FEDS and turned over MEMBERS money in his possession.

    http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/dc/Victim_Witness_Assistance/adsurfdailyinformationform.html

    Why dont you just tell the people the upside, if any and the downside, if any, of executing the form..Of course that would mean you would have to do a little research and take a stand on something not already printed somewhere on the internet.

    Lastly, you posted the following today:

    The PatrickPretty.com Blog has obtained copies of seizure warrants, warrant returns and “freeze” orders in the alleged AdSurfDaily Ponzi scheme.

    We will file a full report soon.

    Afetr you and a competent lawyer reads the order, if indeed you have the full order and amendments, what is your take on the MILLIONS of dollars in non-endorsed, still in the envelope, cashiers checks found in the ASD office..

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  7. Once again, Jack the Lying Piece of Trailer Trash emerges with more BS. He says the following:

    What I have learned through several phones calls is that Robert L. Dan & Pam Richardson, Craig Weaver, Bobbies Daughter and Son and the one and only LF have filled out the very forms that they have told others not too. They have also failed to tell the Government (I did) that through the ASDMBA Scam they already had their money back and then some.

    That is really out there Jack.. Dont know about Pam and Dan, damn well sure can tell you I have not, and try to answer this, why would Craig Weaver, my daughter Lynsey Kennedy, and Larry Friedman fill out a form.. They are just like you Jack, none of them are ASD or Panda Members..

    Really, you need to put that bottle down, you are really slipping..

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  8. I guess it takes an alcoholic trailer dweller to recognize another one.Eh, Bob??

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  9. I dont know Don, didnt know you lived in a trailer,but thanks for the info, Picture of my house is right there on the internet..

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  10. Bob a picture of ones house has nothing to do with the character of the person that lives their. In your case you do not have any character so seeing a picture of a house especially your house means nothing.

    Besides my house has never been in foreclosure and I believe yours has been there twice. So, unless you have some valuable information to share with us then may I suggest that you keep quiet.

    The thorn in your side

    Jack

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  11. Bob Guenther: Patrick has set up what appears to be just another blog for the Ning 9, making me wonder just how many hits you really get. I see you reference their site, rubbing each others back? Is this fair and balanced.. I think not, this site smites more of CNN or MSNBC.. Regarding ASD It caters to the same little left wing group that trolls all the blogs including MMORPG..Just to set Patrick’s narrative straight:
    1)There is and has been a complete and detailed accounting of every penny spent by the ASDMBA posted at http://www.asdmab.com. It has been posted since December, 2008 and has been updated twice. I have given Friedman and Feiger permission to share the ASDMBA billing with anyone he deems necessary.

    FALSE. The detailed accounting requested by many members – publicly – has always been denied by Bob Guenther (with or without swear words, depending on what day of the week he was asked)

    2)There was never any “assumptions, requirements, nor questionaire” of any potential ASDMBA member that inquired about, for that matter, cared about any political affiliation. Over 1800 people voluntarily contributed to the ASDMBA. The average contribution was $80.00… My references to the so called “Ning 9″ as left wingers is simply a fact. A self admitted fact by the Members themselves, as they have proudly posted many times.. Their actions and words speak for themselves..

    FALSE. Bob has “accused” many of the ASDMBA members, including some stalwart Republicans, of being left wingers, because he cant find another way of explaining why they dont agree with his tactics and conduct.

    3)I dont need a “license” to intimidate THIEVES, FORMER FELONS,CONVICTED CHILD ABUSERS, PAROLEES and PETTY SCAMMERS.. All we needed was a small group of people with BALLS, a few political connections, and a attorney or two to exert some legal pressure.. And you have a problem with this WHY???Are you a left wing tree hugger also or maybe a socialist waiting on the political Messiah to lead us to clear waters.

    FALSE. Noone one in the US is permitted to intimidate anyone as it is against the law. All US citizens are expected to keep the law, including the extreme right and the extreme left. There are no exceptions for foul mouthed ex Marines.

    .4)I have not, nor am I trying to discourage anyone from filling out anything. I am simply informing anyone who executes the voluntary form and shares any information, opens themselves up to subpeona, deposition and/or a request for everything related to the involuntary information, including checking accounts, books, records etc which have to do with the claim or the investment in ASD.. And telling them rightfully so, that this is not a “Proof of Claim” form and will not expediate them getting any funds reimbursed.

    BULLSHIT (‘scuse my language Patrick) That is exactly what Bob did and it is in writing. He needs to go back to school and learn to read what he writes.

    Since you were not around in November of last year, how about this site set up by the Feds right after Busby cut his deal with the FEDS and turned over MEMBERS money in his possession.
    http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/dc/Victim_Witness_Assistance/adsurfdailyinformationform.htmlWhy dont you just tell the people the upside, if any and the downside, if any, of executing the form..Of course that would mean you would have to do a little research and take a stand on something not already printed somewhere on the internet.

    NO COMMENT except to observe that Bob’s reading skills are somewhat lacking. All this has been covered on this blog and else where many times

    Lastly, you posted the following today:The PatrickPretty.com Blog has obtained copies of seizure warrants, warrant returns and “freeze” orders in the alleged AdSurfDaily Ponzi scheme.We will file a full report soon.Afetr you and a competent lawyer reads the order, if indeed you have the full order and amendments, what is your take on the MILLIONS of dollars in non-endorsed, still in the envelope, cashiers checks found in the ASD office..

    Probably others’ comments will include the necessity to abide by current legislation with respect to these cheques etc – sonmething Bob does not appear to understand.

    Andy Bowdoin was prosecuted because he BROKE the law. The prosecution will not break it in order to please Bob G, but will continue with their plans for a voluntary return of funds to victims

    Patrick, why are you or anyone else giving any bandwidth to this individual who is a disgrace to the American Nation??

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  12. I guess it takes an alcoholic trailer dweller to recognize another one.Eh, Bob??

    Bob Guenther: I dont know Don, didnt know you lived in a trailer,but thanks for the info, Picture of my house is right there on the internet..

    I would have expected a better come back from a 6 year old.

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  13. All this knowledge…. And where does she acquire all this wonderful information? Beats me, has to be the second hand news she gets from the internet because Jenny lives in Spain, isn’t a US Citizen, only invested $500 in ASD and for a while, co-hosted a website relating to information about ASD..

    The woman evidently has problems, she says the accounting for the expenditures of the ASDMBA are not there, well when I go to http://www.asdmba.com they are on the site, right where they have been for almost a year, so dont have a clue what she is looking at..

    The rest of her rambling makes absolutely no sense and, like usual, Jenny has her wine glass a little too full..

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  14. Jack,

    Please dont give yourself more credit than due, you are no thorn in my side, you are just like a “Cow Patty”..

    A piece of waste, just sitting there doing nothing, occupying space, occassionally someone steps in it or kicks it and the smell comes alive. You just scrape it off, wash off the smell, and it soon becomes a useless “cow patty” once again..

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  15. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that, for all his huffing and puffing, insults and assumptions, Mr Guenther never actually says anything of substance and DEFINITELY has not had, or is likely to have, any influence on what has transpired/transpires.

    Looking back over the months since the ASD saga first came to notice, I see that most, if not all of the “usual suspect” naysayers comments and predictions have eventuated.

    The civil forfeiture proceedings are proceeding according to plan (complete with naysayer predicted delays)

    With each revelation, it becomes increasingly clear the DoJ/prosecution are executing an orderly, methodical and well planned, “by the numbers” prosecution, with not a hiccup so far in the “naysayer” predicted timeframe or outcome/s.

    It is also apparent that, despite his delusions of grandeur, Mr Guenther is but one hundreds, if not thousands, of sources of information which have contributed thus far to the inevitable outcome.

    In fact, if it not for the shameful ASDMBA piggyback fraud keeping his name front and center, it is almost impossible to recollect a single instance where Guenther has had any REAL influence on events or any special “insider” knowledge unknown to the DoJ/prosecutors, other than in his own mind.

    If “column inches” are the measure of importance, Guenther is, indeed, a “legend in his own mind”.

    If, however, having actual influence on events is the yardstick to be measured against, Guenther doesn’t even make the shortlist.

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