STOP THE MADNESS: Now, AmberAlertHelp.org; Narc That Car Promoters Continue To Link Company To Legacy Of Amber Hagerman
Two days ago, we wrote about FindThatCar.org, a website with a red banner at the top that appeals to visitors to “Help us,” as though it were promoting a charity such as the Red Cross.
FindThatCar.org actually is promoting Narc That Car, a Dallas-based multilevel-marketing (MLM) company that is building a database to sell information to companies in the business of repossessing automobiles. Both Narc That Car and its promoters reference the AMBER Alert program in their sales pitches.
Today we turn your attention to AmberAlertHelp.org. It, too, is selling Narc That Car. Here’s the AmberAlertHelp.org pitch on the site’s main page (italics added):
Welcome to Amber Alert Help
Our goal is to build awareness about an opportunity for you, your friends, and your family to get paid for helping build the Amber Alert system database simply by submitting 6 random license plate numbers per month online. It is so easy, and you can get started now.
Here is the pitch on a secondary AmberAlertHelp.org page (italics added):
We Joined Narc That Car and feel wonderful about having the ability to:
- Help find and save missing children
- Help build the very valuable Amber Alert system database
- Make extra money easily
AmberAlertHelp.org also has an AmberAlertHelp.com version of the domain. Both sites were registered Jan. 20, two days after the BBB in Dallas asked Narc That Car to explain its business practices. The inquiry is still open, according to the BBB website.
The U.S. Department of Justice, which coordinates the AMBER Alert program, said Wednesday that Narc That Car is in “no way affiliated” with the program. On Thursday, the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC), which manages the Amber Alert Secondary Distribution Program for the Justice Department and 120 Amber Alert coordinators throughout the United States, said Narc That Car “is not a part” of the secondary program.
Nine-year old Amber Hagerman was abducted 14 years ago while riding her bicycle in Arlington, Texas. She was brutally murdered. The AMBER Alert program — America’s Missing: Broadcast Emergency Response — is her legacy.
AMBER Alert is about keeping children safe. It is not about keeping the world safe for multilevel-marketing profits. AMBER Alert’s name should be accorded the same dignity accorded Amber Hagerman’s name, which is to say neither name ever should be made part of a pitch fest.
That AMBER Alert’s name is being mentioned in sales pitches for Narc That Car is beyond the pale. AMBER Alert is about life-altering emergencies. It is not about MLM recruiting and pocketing commissions up to five levels deep.
Good grief. Narc That Car promoters are using .org extensions — the same extensions used by the Red Cross, the Salvation Army and NCMEC for their noble purposes — to promote a business that is building a database for the repo man — and they are implying it is a public service.
Today we call on Narc That Car to remove references to AMBER Alert from its marketing materials, including videos. We further call on Narc That Car promoters to do the same.
Not only are some Narc That Car promoters repeatedly referencing AMBER Alert, they also are referencing government agencies such as the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security as though the agencies have endorsed the Narc That Car program.
One Narc That Car promoter claims the purpose of the program is “To help The US Dep’t of Homeland Security find terrorists.†Another claims, “We are backed by the better business bureau, the F.B.I., and the Amber Alert system . . . †Yet another claims, “A company out of Dallas needs to grow a data base of license plates to use for Amber Alerts and other reasons.”
Elsewhere, a website that uses a name similar to the famous ToysRUs trade name, references AMBER Alert and tells viewers that big money is possible through Narc That Car.
“I went to Walmart,†a video narrator intones at the PlatesRUs.biz website. “It took me every bit of five minutes to write down 10 tag numbers randomly, go in my back office and log it into the national database through the company, and actually earn a check.â€
This madness must stop.
Patrick:
You mention that “Narc That Car promoters ….. promote a business that is building a database for the repo man — and they are implying it is a public service.”
(Truncated Quote from Above)
But, there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that any legitimate Repossession or Skip Tracing company is using this goofy, disorganized misrepresented system to track down cars or people.
Right?
Just wanted to clarify that.
It’s all smoke and mirrors, a smoke screen for what appears to be a ponzi scheme.
Repo Companies and Skip tracers have much more effective, legitimate and effective ways to track their targets than random, undocumented random locations of thousands or millions of cars.
Just my two cents.
ARWR
Hi ARWR,
Narc That Car generically says the info is offered for sale to “lien holders” — banks, repo men, etc. Its affiliates claim the company is endorsed by the BBB, FBI and, more generically, law enforcement, auto manufacturers and finance companies.
Narc That Car does not say how many paying customers it has for its database product or publish revenue figures, but does say it has thousands of “independent consultants” out in the field. One Narc That Car pitchman called the affiliates “registered information consultants,” which could cause prospects to believe the mere act of signing up for Narc That Car authorized them to swoop into parking lots on private property across America and start writing down license-plate numbers or taking pictures of them with cell phones.
As we noted previously, Narc That Car does not publish a customers’ list and there are no testimonials from clients. Promoters have listed Ford Motor Co. as a client. We contacted Ford for comment and are awaiting a reply.
The BBB has asked Narc That Car to explain its business and the compensation plan. The district attorney of Henderson County, Texas, has opened an inquiry into Narc That Car and is consulting with the Texas Attorney General, according to the Athens Daily Review:
http://www.athensreview.com/local/x1230894711/Narc-called-into-question
Patrick
Just to show how what a farce this is, I wrote the following over at scam.com.
“For any of you who don’t even want to leave home to write down plates you can do this. Go to:
http://www6.hsmv.state.fl.us/mvcheck…check/main.jsp
This is Florida’s personalized plate request which shows if it’s available.
Put something in like: IMDUMB and see if it’s available. If it isn’t, you know it’s a plate out there and you can plug it in on narc.
Also, I was thinking of heeding all the networkers advice and starting my own business.
I will be compiling a long list of license plate numbers over the next several weeks. Anyone interested in purchasing my list for a slight fee can PM me.
This is available to anyone, anywhere no matter where you live.
I mean, I know narcthatcar is easy money, but why not make it even easier? This way, you won’t have to work at all and get paid for doing absolutely nothing.”
Perhaps the BBB might want to consider this when deciding the legitimacy of this business.
Patrick,
I am afraid that you are wasting your words asking the criminals who founded the Ponzi pyramid scheme knowsn as Narc That Car, along with the criminals like Charlie, who are promoting Narc, to remove the suggestions that they have an association with Amber Alert. Patrick, these people are seasoned criminals who routinely perpetrate fraud. Charlie is one of them, even though she may not yet know it. You are asking for these criminals to give up one of their hooks for increasing the effectiveness of their fraud and thus their own personal financial gain. Not gonna happen……
And maybe the promoters of the website referenced in Patrick’s article might want to consider how “fake plates” might compromise the Amber Alert system.
If there was a hit on a missing child, we could be sending the authorities on a wild goose chase in some other state.
While I poke fun at people’s greed and ignorance in my above post, THIS is no laughing matter.
Check this out its free
http://platewire.com/
Hi Entertained,
I am afraid you might be right about this.
Not all that long ago, we reported that an HYIP known as Cash Tanker was using a representation of Jesus in a sales pitch. So, in order to make money, the scammers reduced a figure revered by members of the Christian faith to what effectively was the role of a hamburger salesman — or, more specifically, a pitchman for a Ponzi scheme.
In this context, I guess it should come as no surprise that the noble name of AMBER Alert has been reduced to an excuse to make the world safe for MLM profits. I shouldn’t be surprised, but I always am.
Remember AVG? It was going to give money to a fund to protect the rainforest. There are reports that GNI was going to give funds to a children’s organization. ASD? Well, it purportedly gave 100,000 “ad-packs” to a charity. People used the “gift” to lionize Andy Bowdoin.
Very first promo I saw for Narc That Car was on the old Golden Panda Ad Zone forum. It just boggles the mind, and always is a matter for great introspection.
In any event, it’s hard to argue with a single point you made above. My mind is flashing back to all those “egg-themed” domains pitched on Surf’s Up to recruit people for GNI, Cash Tanker, Genius Funds and Saza Investments.
It never ends . . .
Regards,
Patrick
And still wondering why anyone would need this site for AMBER lerts when real AMBER alerts go out over the television and radio in real time. THAT’S when it matters. By the time you got any valid financial information to get what could or could not be false information of this scam er site, the person(s) could be in the next state.
char,
I believe is was you who pointed out earlier that the data could be manipulated in multiple ways, basically resulting in pure GIGO.
A criminal — or people associated with criminals — could enter a license-plate number and a sighting at a false address to undermine any theoretical benefit the data could provide.
Or, as you point out, any person could harvest X number of license-plate numbers — perhaps hundreds in one fell swoop — and enter them and purported locations at their leisure over a period of months, thus creating the equivalent of a “false positive.”
A car reported to be in the Walmart parking lot in July actually could have been there in January — or not at all. The “not at all” possibility is especially worrisome, setting the stage for a wild goose chase.
There may be no realistic way to establish a pattern because the data could be corrupt — and that, of course, does not even address the privacy, safety and legal concerns.
What does a Narc That Car rep do if someone demands the piece of paper on which the license number was recorded?
Or the cell phone that was used to take a picture of the license plate?
What does the Narc That Car participant do if the Walmart manager calls the police or attempts to exercise private-property rights?
Narc That Car participants are asking for trouble from all corners — public and private. And yet every promo I’ve seen describes the program as easy as pie and/or implies some sort of official endorsement by law enforcement and AMBER Alert.
Entertained is a mathematician. If time permits, permits he’d offer a comment or two on Chaos Theory as it applies to Narc That Car.
A simple way to look at Chaos Theory, I suppose, is to look at it as Murphy’s Law: Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong.
With a program that involves privacy issues, claims of endorsements by the government and the potential that cars and people will be moving when “consultants” are recording plate numbers, plenty could go wrong.
Jeff Goldblum’s character in “Jurassic Park” might be inclined to view Narc That Car as an accident waiting to happen.
Patrick
First thing that you need to do if you want to track license plate numbers is to understand the legality and ethics of tracking a license plate number. You might even talk to a lawyer before you begin the process of tracking a license plate number to make sure that doing it will not get you into legal trouble.
As a long time resident of the Dallas /Fort Worth area, I am all too familiar with the story of Amber Haggerman. The AMBER alert system bears her name and operates to hopefully make sure no one else suffers her fate, not for others to use in order to line their pockets. However, criminals are only interested in themselves, and hopefully the Texas AG will close these egg-sucking weasels down quickly.
The majority of highways in the area have electronic signs that when needed can post AMBER alert info for all to see, as well as the similar broadcasts on TV and Radio. No one needs these guys. Hopefully, they will break some little known law and end up in jail, where they truly belong.
Quick note:
Happened upon a website in which a Narc That Car promoter appears to be providing a pass-through option through PayPal. In other words, the affiliate appears to be collecting $100 via PayPal for later forwarding to Narc That Car.
“NARC That Car – Membership Fee,” the PayPal option says, after a person clicks on a PayPal “Buy Now” button.
Narc That Car itself does not appear to offer PayPal as an option.
If this is the case — if the Narc That Car promoter, who appears to be using his personal PayPal account, is collecting money for Narc That Car — it raises serious questions about the potential for money-laundering and wire fraud.
It also raises questions about whether some Narc That Car promoters have better deals than other promoters, whether money customers believe to be destined for Narc That Car can be cherrypicked, and whether Narc That Car has control over its own business.
Like other Narc That Car promoters, this promoter cites AMBER Alert and law enforcement. There also is an option to bypass the PayPal option and pay Narc That Car directly.
Patrick
The link to the Athens (Texas) Review is quite revealing
http://www.athensreview.com/local/x1230894711/Narc-called-into-question
“The District Attorney’s office is currently in the process of inquiring into the legitimacy and legality of the organization and its practices, especially as it relates to local citizens. McKee also indicated that he has been in touch with the State Attorney General’s Office and has sought their assistance in the matter.
Forester says he has some of the top legal counsel in the MLM profession working for him.
“We hired two of the best attorneys when I started this business,†Forester said. “They have over 60 years of law training in multi-level marketing business. They worked with Amway, one of the largest MLM’s in the country.””
Now where have we heard that before?? If I recall, Judge Collyer, in one of her summaries during the ASD civil case, indicated that expert witness for ASD, Gerry Nehra, the much feted MLM lawyer, had actually given evidence that supported the prosecution case. lol
The WHOIS for the PlatesRUs.biz website mentions a “Anderson Cutting”. Mr Cutting can be found on facebook, but his twitter account describes him like this:
http://twitter.com/AndersonCutting
More of his drug dealing past is mentioned on his myspace page:
http://www.myspace.com/andersoncutting
A bit more digging shows that “Anderson Cutting†also goes by the name “Robert Dean Jr”. The same photo as above is used here:
http://en.wordpress.com/tag/robertdeanjr/
A google on the name “Robert Dean Jr” shows someone with the same name promoting MonaVie – a MLM favourite, and “Tahitian Noni” another MLM favourite. There’s even this:
http://noni.worldwidewarning.net/www/archives/150
As an independent representative of Narc That Car, I’m going to agree with the comments here that representatives need to stop mis-promoting this opportunity in order to advance their business. I have built a successful business, and training others to do so, without having to engage in such mis-representations.
As to the unsubstantiated, void of merit clams of illegal ponzi, and schemes this is typical of people who don’t know anything truly about the business or about illegal pyramid schemes. In fact, in many ways I appreciate the naysayers because if everyone was raving about the opportunity I then would be looking to run the other way as fast as possible.
Those looking for a legitimate viable No Selling home business opportunity need to do their own due diligence and get information from people who Truly Know, as oppose to people that just don’t like the business or cry foul/pyramid at every chance they get; this will allow you who want to make extra income to be able to make an informed decision.
Our group has fully investigated as much as possible and met directly with corporate officials to determine the viability of this opportunity and have been very pleased with what they have found out. Note: Our Group consist of people who have successfully built very huge, 50K plus network marketing organizations in other legitimate opportunities.
Cash For Car Plates,
Was the person who recorded the video in the parking lot of a Giant Eagle supermarket among the people who “Truly Know?”
The reason I ask is that the video is posted on your website, and the narrator says he was not going to “talk to anybody” before embarking on the “easy” task of jotting down license-plate numbers on private property.
The narrator further said he didn’t know that address of the Giant Eagle, but would look it up online. So, it seems very much as though he bypassed the store manager and simply licensed himself to appear in the parking lot and record the license numbers of Giant Eagle patrons.
What we have here, clearly, is a person who appeared in a Giant Eagle parking lot, got out his camera and produced what effectively is a training video for Narc That Car. The narrator makes the generic claim it’s all OK because license numbers are “public information,” but avoided any discussion of the propriety of such conduct and the potential privacy, safety and legal concerns.
Should Narc That Car promoters duck store managers and simply go home and find the address of that particular Giant Eagle on the Internet?
Should Narc That Car consultants refuse to turn over the paper on which the license numbers are recorded or the video camera or the cell phone on which the license numbers were recorded if approached by the store manager or a concerned patron?
What should a Narc That Car promoter do if a store manager or store patron observes license-plate numbers being recorded and says, “Stop that! I’m calling the police?”
What should a Narc That Car promoter do if a store manager or patron asks for identification? Flee? Provide it? Argue? Insist they’re authorized to appear on private property and in parking lots maintained by retailers such as Giant Eagle because they’re authorized to do so by Narc That Car or a Narc That Car downline group?
Should Narc That Car promoters destroy the papers on which they’ve recorded the plate numbers after entering them into the Narc That Car database? How about the videos? Should they be destroyed?
What if the papers and the videos later are needed for evidence and have been destroyed? Should Narc That Car promoters preserve records of all the license plate numbers they record?
Patrick
Quick note:
Story on Cash For Car Plate’s Narc That Car video promotion shot in Giant Eagle parking lot:
https://patrickpretty.com/2010/02/08/now-a-narc-that-car-training-video-shot-by-promoter-in-parking-lot-of-giant-eagle-supermarket-chain-im-not-going-to-talk-to-anybody-narrator-says/
Patrick
So then I guess you’d be the one to prove what the outside revenue source has been all this time to prove it’s not a ponzi?
Sorry I’m not into getting into back and forth meaningless arguments about this business and substantiated claims of a ponzi. He who makes the claim carries the burden of proof. I don’t know the future of any company but all my due diligence indicates that this is an extremely viable and unique business opportunity to seize upon. The small start up fee is not even reminiscent of the majority of the massive scams that have come and gone. Sorry this one just doesn’t fit the peg mlm haters went to put it in.
Yes, there are a lot of attempted sophisticated “sound bits” and excerpts to suit the owner of this blogs objective of spreading clear “hate” for this business. But hey, it’s his blog and right. We need naysayers. If everyone was raving about this business I’d be scared as hell and running the other way.
The fact is that if google maps can establish a video feed of your public information address and zoom in to your front door, one can definitely obtain open public display of license plates for the purpose of building a national database for multiple beneficial purposes. Heck we are all being filmed in our cars by video cameras around the cities of America, some that can get snap shot of your face while in the car.
Most who are hating on this biz and network marketing in general are poor, busted, and disgusted and will continue to be that way. Too much time spent on unworthy negativity. This type of mentality is what has and continues to kill American’s progress and ability to have a better life.
The owner has my info all over his page for his benefit and cast of dispersions. Anyone that is seeking real truth and understanding of this opportunity can easily get in touch with me. That includes the admin.
I actually came back her looking for something else and then realize the massive negative energy here. So you want find me hanging out here in one man’s private sanctuary of “I hate network marketing” due to a clear lack of objectivity.
Peace,
Jah
Talk about a sense of “dejavu all over again”
One could transplant poor ‘ol CFCP post/s into any cached discussion about AdSurf Daily and it would slot in seamlessly.
As bright eyed and bushy tailed as the new crop of “converts” to the wonderful world of HYIP ponzi “games” may appear, many or most of them have no idea they are singing from the same hymnbook as did the members of P.I.P.S. and CEP and 12Daily Pro and AdSurf Daily.
The name/s may have changed, but the cliches remain the same.
Jah,
You came to this Blog. You left your URL and claimed to “Truly Know” the Narc That Car business. You said you were providing Narc That Car “training.” Your Blog says you’ve built a Narc That Car “team” with more than 100 members in three weeks. This means the company is generating revenue as a result of your efforts.
One of your efforts was to post a video recorded in the Giant Eagle parking lot. The video strongly implies there is no need to talk to “anybody” or even know the address of the store or stores in whose parking lots your team is writing down license plate numbers to generate money for themselves and Narc That Car. Store addresses easily can be obtained online, according to the video.
I asked you several questions about the propriety of recording license-plate numbers on private property without obtaining consent — i.e., the video recorded on Giant Eagle’s property. The video only sells how “easy” the Narc That Car program is in your view; it does not address matters of propriety, safety, privacy and legality.
Many corporations have policies that prohibit soliciting or commercial undertakings on their property and/or require consent or individual approvals. Your video ignores this; it simply paints Giant Eagle as a target-rich environment for Narc That Car’s purposes.
It is possible to get arrested in some jurisdictions for trespassing or defiant trespass — returning to a retail outlet from which a person has been banned for any number of reasons, including violations of store policies.
You deflected on all of my questions, even though you said you “Truly Know.” You sort of answered a question on legality by saying, “The fact is that if google maps can establish a video feed of your public information address and zoom in to your front door, one can definitely obtain open public display of license plates for the purpose of building a national database for multiple beneficial purposes. Heck we are all being filmed in our cars by video cameras around the cities of America, some that can get snap shot of your face while in the car.”
So, here — and through your video that implied permission wasn’t needed from “anybody” — you are setting the stage for your team and other Narc That Car members to fan out in parking lots across America using your Google theory..
What if a store, say, has a policy that would permit a charity such as the Salvation Army to solicit during the Holidays, thus enabling the community to benefit from the store’s traffic, but would prohibit a commercial business from setting up a hot-dog stand in the store’s parking lot on the 4th of July?
Remember, you said you “Truly Know” and are providing “training.”
What if an individual retailer had done some research on Narc That Car participants and concluded they were the equivalent of private enterprises that wanted not only to set up a hot-dog stand on the 4th of July to siphon the store’s traffic, but every other day of the year — whenever the spirit moved them?
Remember, you said you “Truly Know” and are providing “training.”
Who posts bond for a Narc That Car “independent consultant” if he or she gets arrested for defying a private-property owner’s policies, procedures or orders?
Remember, you said you “Truly Know” and are providing “training.”
Do Narc That Car members need the permission of store managers to record the plate numbers of patrons?
Remember, you said you “Truly Know” and are providing “training.”
Does your opinion about Google cover all contingencies? Can it beat back all potential challenges? Is it even valid?
Remember, you said you “Truly Know” and are providing “training.”
How should Narc That Car promoters behave if confronted by a store manager or patron?
Remember, you said you “Truly Know” and are providing “training” — and yet you do not address any of these issues.
Jah, you have more than 100 people on your team. You are “training” them. If they ask questions such as the ones above, are they practicing “hate?”
Or, if they are persistent out of genuine concern about issues of propriety, safety, privacy and legality, does that translate into “hate?”
Patrick
Yes, indeed, LRM.
Patrick
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