Promoter Tries To Prove Point Narc That Car Not A Scam By Registering Domain Saying It IS One: Welcome To NarcThatCarIsAScam.info
Jah of the CashForCarPlates team shows postmark on YouTube of check received from NarcThatCar as proof the company pays. The video also displays a check in the amount of $70.
UPDATED 2:30 P.M. EDT (March 5, U.S.A.) NarcThatCar promoter Ajamu Kafele announced that his downline team has launched a website to refute claims that the Dallas-based multilevel-marketing (MLM) program is a scam.
The announcement was made last night, during a Valentine’s Day conference call hosted by Kafele, who uses the nickname “Jah” and is an independent affiliate of Narc That Car.
The domain name chosen to refute claims that Narc That Car is a scam actually states the company is a scam:
NarcThatCarIsAScam.info (Emphasis added.)
Kafele, who operates a website and Blog known as Cash For Car Plates to promote Narc That Car, recorded the conference call, which is posted online. Kafele did not say in the conference call whether he and his 132-member downline group had obtained permission from NarcThatCar to use its name in a branded domain title that states the company is a scam and then attempts to refute the assertion by posting contrary information on the NarcThatCarIsAScam.info website.
His hope, he said during the call, was that by suggesting NarcThatCar was a scam, the website could be used to prove the opposite.
One of the participants in the call was a man who said he was “eighty and a half” and was working to introduce other senior citizens to Narc That Car. Kafele said during the call that there was “no substance” to critics’ concerns that Narc That Car is structured like a Ponzi or a pyramid scheme.
Kafele dissed critics who have raised privacy concerns about Narc That Car. After paying a $100 up-front fee and spending an additional $24.95 a month, Narc That Car “independent consultants” are encouraged to write down the license-plate numbers of cars and enter them in a database.
Narc That Car promoters have identified the parking lots of major retail chains, libraries, schools and universities as sources of license-plate numbers. Some promoters have encouraged their downline members to carry notebooks and pens in retailers’ parking lots and the parking lots of educational facilities. Others have encouraged participants to take photos of license plates or record them on video cameras, perhaps hundreds at a time.
“Some of these guys are just mad because they think there is a privacy issue, ” Kafele said, arguing that automated technology exists that is used to collect license-plate data.
Some critics have questioned whether NarcThat Car promoters are selling an actual product or simply an income opportunity.
“For lack of a better word, the product is the gathering of the data,” Kafele said during the call, which mostly featured Kafele’s remarks. He suggested that Narc That Car had an “apparent client” that “already is backing up” the company, but did not name the client.
Two third-party audio snippets recorded previously by other Narc That Car promoters were played back during the call as evidence that “due diligence” had been conducted on the company, which is the subject of inquiries by the BBB in Dallas and the district attorney of Henderson County, Texas.
The BBB has asked Narc That Car to explain advertising claims and the company’s compensation plan.
The audio snippets played back during Kafele’s conference call claimed Narc That Car was “very well-funded” and the product of the imagination of a “child prodigy.” A specific source of the funding was not disclosed.
“They have a proven model,” Kafele said during the call.
An application for “Narc That Car” as a “Service Mark” is on file in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, according to the government’s TESS computer system. Information in the government database says the mark was applied for in July 2009.
Narc That Car is engaged in “Business services in the nature of collateral locator services, namely, tracking and management of lien related collaterals on behalf of lien holders” and also performs “Security services, namely, collateral locator services in the nature of theft recovery,” according to TESS.
Gerald P. Nehra, an MLM attorney, assisted Narc That Car in registering the brand, according to the TESS database.
Among the headlines on NarcThatCarIsAScam.info:
- Narc That Car Opportunity: Distinguishing Fact From Fiction
- Are The Naysayers Against Narc That Car Really Credible?
- What Is The Truth About Narc That Car and the Texas Atty General
- “Who Dat†Saying Narc That Car Is A Scam?
- Video: Data Network Affiliates vs. Narc That Car Compensation Plans
- Narc That Car Payment Proof Video
Kafele’s Cash For Car Plates Blog repeatedly uses the word “scam” in the context of Narc That Car.
At the moment, the word “scam” in the context of Narc That Car appears on the front page of the Cash For Car plates Blog 13 times, including the current feature story. The current feature story uses the word “scam” in a headline — “Is Narc That Car Really A Scam? — and in the first paragraph of the feature post.
“Scam” also is used in other posts and labels on the Cash For Bar plates Blog, which is hosted by Blogspot.com, Google’s free hosting site for its Blogger platform. Among the labels on the Blog are “narc that car scam,” “make money from home scam” and “home business scam.”
Internet marketers who promote MLMs and other money-making opportunities often use the word “scam” — deliberately associating the word “scam” with companies they are recommending — on the theory it drives traffic to their websites when prospects perform online searches.
Some companies take a dim view of such practices by promoters, believing they can damage brands and confuse the public.
Listen to the conference call in which Kafele announces the NarcThatCarIsAScam.info website and defines the site as a “counterintelligence” effort.
“They have a proven model,†Kafele said during the call.
Proven to be what exactly? Proven to be a model of a ponzi?
Does anyone know if this excuse for a businessman has a green card, was granted citizenship, or is naturalized?
HA ha ha. Jahkass proved someone’s point about how worthless NTC or whateverelseitiscalled is.
Kafele said, arguing that automated technology exists that is used to collect license-plate data.
Damn it…that second line was suppose to be a quote from the article.
Anyways, since he admits that automated tech already exists and is in use, why should anyone pay to manually do repetitious worthless garbage?
Hi alasycia,
After listening to the call twice, I still can’t determine what he means by saying Narc That Car has a proven business model.
For example, Jah did not mention if Narc ever had posted a profit since its corporate parent launched in 2008. The MLM component only has been operating for months. The audio implied that the FTC gives such companies three years to prove their mettle.
That was confusing on multiple levels: Does the FTC give companies in this arena a three-year window? If such a window exists, when does the clock start ticking? After the corporate parent launches or after the MLM component launches?
The implication of the call was that NTC members were not selling a retail product. This was described as a “paradigm” shift of some sort — the implication being that Narc had a separate client base for its data that did not include the people promoting the “opportunity.”
One speaker — in a third-party recording that was played back in the conference call — suggested Narc had an investor or investors. The names were not disclosed.
Jah talked about an “apparent client” that was backing the company, but he did not identify the client.
Another thing I found confusing was a claim in one of the audio recordings that was played back that Narc was in “prelaunch” phase and that the picture would become clearer in March.
This call was advertised as an effort to get out the “real” facts. Saying the company had an “apparent client” did not do much to serve that end, in my view. Neither did the “prelaunch” explanation, considering that people already are out in the field collecting data and, as Jah reports, receiving checks.
And because the call prominently featured third-party recordings about the “due diligence” of Jah’s upline and Jah’s take on the audio snippets, I was left wondering if Jah knew the name of the “apparent client” he referenced and chose not to share it — or whether he did not know the name and simply was passing on upline information that such a client exists.
If such a client does exist — and if it’s “big” enough to pay the freight to sustain the program — I wonder why the promoters have not cited the name.
Personally, it heightens my concerns about the privacy issue because, at a minimum, it suggests that Narc is collecting data for a major client people either can’t identify (because they don’t know) or are reluctant to identify (because they do know).
Patrick
Quick note:
The domain name “AmberAlertHelp.org” — which was a promo site for Narc That Car that featured appeals to “Help the Amber Alert system” and “Help build the very valuable Amber Alert system database” — now appears to be serving a blank page.
See earlier story:
https://patrickpretty.com/2010/02/06/stop-the-madness-now-amberalerthelp-org-narc-that-car-promoters-continue-to-link-company-to-legacy-of-amber-hagerman/
Patrick
But the video on their own site states otherwise. They get credit for 2 ‘clients’ (could be 1 client I don’t remember)as part of the $25/month fee.
I will take ‘do not exist’ for $100 Patrick.
Whip:
Congratulations.
The Category “do not exist” for $100 is the Audio Daily Double!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh163n1lJ4M
ARWR
And the answer is . . . Alex Trebek. :-)
Seriously, Whip, “do not exist” is a possibility, too. Narc That Car does not list clients’ names on its website, publish kind words from satisfied clients or publish financial information.
So, the question about whether it does or does not have clients is a reasonable one, perhaps especially when one of its reps purports to provide “Training and Support To Help You Achieve Maximum Success” while simultaneously referring to clients as “apparent” and asserting at Scam.com that “due diligence” has been performed.
The message: We want to help you achieve success in a company that we’re not sure has clients, but believe “apparently” does.
There would be no doubt if the company told members who the clients are, instead of simply planting the seed that they exist or suggesting certain types of businesses would be interested in the information. The members would not have to engage in any speculation at all if Narc That Car named its clients. Its promoters never would be tempted to say the company “apparently” had a client or clients while at once insisting that “due diligence” has been performed.
The claim is ambiguous and silly — and when its own reps are making such claims, it makes Narc That Car look silly. How can anyone purport to say that “training” exists under these circumstances. It’s plain that some of the YouTube promoters are winging it.
The call referenced above lasted about an hour. No client was named, and at least three reps (perhaps four) who spoke either on the “live” call or the recordings recorded into the “live”call had an opportunity to identify one or more.
It’s a point of concern that the promoters — some of whom purport to provide “training” — can neither agree on a message nor cite a client’s name authoritatively.
The message that emerged from the conference call was that Narc has a sort of secret client and also a secret investor or investors.
How do the “independent consultants” collecting the data know who they’re working for?
It’s also a point of concern that DNA suddenly has surfaced and also is using the name of AMBER Alert in promos. Why? Because someone at DNA came to the conclusion that AMBER Alert “worked” for Narc That Car and also would “work” for DNA?
It’s an interesting subplot to the Narc That Car and DNA stories.
For the sake of discussion, let’s say Narc That Car does have clients and is well-capitalized. Well, the clients and the people who provided the capital now find themselves part of a company whose promoters create domain names titled “NarcThatCarIsAScam” — to demonstrate the company isn’t one — and promoters who routinely use the word scam on their own websites on the theory it helps drive traffic.
Patrick
I think I’ll join both ‘Narc’ and ‘Data’ put up a video camera out in front of my place of business, and sell the car plate numbers to my downline. No one will have to leave their house!
I’ll be rich! I’ll give everyone who signs up 100 plates to get started.
HA When will one of the participants in this scheme advertise this plan for real?
All kidding aside, I know a guy in surveillance that has a camera on his street to check cars coming and going near his home. (and one that shows who pulls into his driveway) Plates are easy to read when digitally zoomed.
These two companies are a joke. As a former networker I have gotten no less than 10 e-mails to my junk account from these two scams.
Quick note: 2:30 update today corrects county name in story above to Henderson.
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