AdViewGlobal’s June 1 News Release Had Typo That Directed Traffic Away From Website Firm Was Showcasing
Typoz happen. (See?)
But a typo in a June 1 news release by AdViewGlobal (AVG) directed traffic away from a new website the firm was showcasing and caused it to land on a site registered in Europe.
The domain — adveiwglobal.com, in which the “e” and “i” are transposed — is registered in the Czech Republic. The Czech site, which appears to redirect to Los Angeles, is a search portal with advertisements for making money at home. It was registered in March.
None of the content on the site appears to be related to AVG, which defines itself as a professional advertising and communications firm based in Uruguay.
AVG’s news release was issued through PR Newswire. The correct URL for AVG appears near the top of the release, but the transposed URL appears at the bottom. Some media outlets republished the news release and provided clickable links.
Any person who reads the news release from top to bottom and clicks on the link at the bottom is taken to the Czech site.
Here is an example of a site from which viewers who click on the bottom link are taken to the Czech site.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4PRN/is_2009_June_1/ai_n31912229/
Some sites that republished the AVG news release did not provide clickable links — either in the top position or the bottom. Had visitors copied and pasted the URL near the top of the news release into their browser window, they would have arrived at the site AVG was showcasing. Visitors who copied and pasted the lower URL would have arrived at the Czech site.
It sometimes is a strategy to misspell words in web-based content to gain a search-engine advantage, although deliberately misspelling a URL and directing traffic away from a website launch promotion would not seem prudent. It is unclear if the typo that appeared in the June 1 news release was a deliberate mistake on AVG’s part or just a plain, old-fashioned typo.
It is possible that the Czech site hopes to gain visits from people who misspell the adviewglobal domain name. The practice is controversial — and potentially brings trademark issues into play — because it enables a site that may have no connection to a brand to leach traffic from the brand by registering a domain name that approximates the branded domain.
Whether adviewglobal.com is aware of adveiwglobal.com is unclear.
What is clear is that the Czech site could have benefited from the typo, whether it was deliberate or accidental. Visitors who landed on the page expecting to see a dynamic web portal of the sort AVG described in the news release could have been confused. Such visitors would have to take additional steps — such as returning to the news release and looking for the appropriate link or discovering for themselves that a typo had occurred, and then typing the correct URL into their browser windows — in order to visit the AVG site.
Patrick:
Seems typos are the norm for AVGA. Here’s their latest breaking news:
COPYRIGHY INFRINGMENT
Members,
It has been brought to our attention that some members are copying and pasting information from the Ad View Global website. This is just a reminder that everything contained in the Ad View Global website including The Breaking News is subject to copyright laws. Ad View Global does not take the act of copyright infringement lightly. Any member caught breaking these rules or allowing someone access to their account in order to break these rules are in jeopardy of having their membership canceled and being banned from Ad View Global. This includes but is not limited to copy and pasting The Breaking News and sending it in an e-mail to anyone.
Before anyone gets the idea I have violated any “COPYRIGHY INFRINGMENT” (copyright laws), Uruguay does not have any copyright laws. Since they are headquartered in Uruguay, Uruguay law would apply.
Well, you’ll notice all they said was anyone caught doing it would be banned from AVGA. What it’s really for is to stop any traiterous P.P. scumbags that are in AVGA from posting on this scumbag blog. Yes I’m rolling in the slime by being here too but somebody has to shove it back at you. It’s funny, you haven’t banned me yet and I know why, you love the Jerry Springer BS and I’m providing it. You love it admit it, Oh I suppose you’ll use some excuse like, “I allow it because this will show the type of people in AVGA” Right. Well all that aside, the wonderful news is they have the beginnings of a great new business plan. I’m not at liberty to say amything other than that, in fact I won’t give anything away to you. I think you’re harmless, you and your little minions but why take a chance on you getting lucky. Just know that it is definitely in the works and knowing what I know I am so jazzed about this. Just when you thought we were, what was it someone said? Terminal and you know it or some hopeful way overconfident remark like that. You guys SHOULD be losing sleep over this. After all your hard work. Well (sighs) you were wrong and HERE WE COME AGAIN. YEEEEHAH
Gee, now we are on our third reincarnation of AVG. Too bad they didn’t do it right the first time like they claimed they would. So much for “P R O F E S S I O N A L S” running this show, and having “L E A R N E D” from the mistakes of ASD. Hmmm, I remember someone saying how “excited” they were with the last reincarnation of AVG and how it was going to show everyone up before it crashed and burned. Maybe by the sixth reincarnation they might get 1/2 of it right. That is if they last beyond July and not get raided by the “evil government.”
Never mind that AVG has been I L L E G A L since they opened their doors; as long as they have an exciting business plan, and great promises of things to come who cares? Why does the movie, “The Gang Who Couldn’t Shoot Straight” keep coming to mind? Who says you can’t keep beating a dead horse? Anyone want to place bets on how long before it crashes and burns again? Just shoot this and put it out of its misery.
Look like proof reading abilities are not a requisite for the PR team at AVGA.
joe, you sound upset. Surely you understand that, as Lynndel points out, this Is the 3rd reincarnation of AVGA and it is less than a year old.
It has been commented on Surfs Up that ASD supporters do not consider this blog a “reliable site” and the inclusion of its link by the Attorney’s in the RICO lawwuit against Andy Bowdoin & Co, is highly dubious. On that one there are two observations to be made. Firstly that it is difficult to mess with Pacer (Court) documents as they are not in an amendable format, so it looks as if you will have to swallow the fact that AVGA was mentioned in the RICO documentation. Secondly, I am sure that the Judge is perfectly capable of checking for herself and forming an opinion on the contents of this blog, which, to date, has been pretty darn close to the reality of the ASD/AVGA situation.
I am sure that any poster here who is a member of AVGA will be trembling at the thought of the vengeance of the Bowdoin Harris team for having the temerity to reproduce items from the (aptly named) Breaking BS page on their site. HOWEVER, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and if AVGA is so clean, legal and professional, nothing on this blog is going to make an iota of difference to its success. Anyway, if it is so libellous, why dont they sue this and other forums who dont toe the party line?
I dont think the purpose of this blog is to show the kind of people who are in AVGA, but it certainly achieves that anyway.
I sound upset? Yeah right you just wan to rain on my parade, I read my post again and it sure doesn’t sound like someone who’s upset. You’re just making a lame attempt to try to convince someone of that.Reliable? this site isn’t reliable at all especially from patty himself who twists words and events constantly. It’s been proven. Besides there are really only about 3 or 4 of you here anyway with occasional guest idiots. No, I meant every word I said, I’m ecstatic and who cares if it’s the third time they are tweaking it, does the name Wright brothers mean anything to you? Again, mentioning their name in the lawsuit? Big deal and you know it it’s just all you’ve got. Not only that didn’t I used to see your name on the old forum?
Is it the third incarnation? First there was the ASD replacement that the punters could transfer ad packs, then there was the Arby Indians Private Association, then there was The Contract With Donna. I think the “Great New Business Plan” will be the fourth version.
Are they the new business partners?
No sense giving up, I don’t know if thats how you run your life but luckily we have people who do care whether or not you want to believe that amd you know what? I really don’t believe any of you care about AVGA or any of the other companys you claim to hate. You try to come off as a proponent of the people, give me a break, You’re like a bunch of nattering old ladies with nothing better to do. Remember Bewitched? You remind of the neighbor Alice always looking out her window and screaming ABNER!! I forgot one thing in response to Alas comment. Do you really believe any judge utilizes this chicken shit blog for any info? You must be kidding, like I already said you guys give yourself way way way to much credit, all 3 or 4 of you. You never Know ole P.P. might even get a refund from the people who took his money, our lovely govt. What if they don’t disperse that money out to the supposedly scammed people who were making money and happy as hell with it? what then? what if they keep it? What will you think then? It sure as hell isn’t their money. Can you say money grab?
I can remember right before ASD blew up at the beginning of August 2008. I can still remember looking at the ASD account of my promoter – very coyly, he let me look over his shoulder at his computer screen. He was up way over a million and a half dollars in ad packs. Plus he had gotten all of his initial money out. And now he was going to start cashing-out $100,000 a week and start paying off some of his bills – house loan, car loans, etc. – and be completely debt free. Wow – I was really missing the boat here. Everyone was making money with this ASD thing, just by pointing and clicking. I really should jump in and start making some easy money. This was a no-brainer.
I almost pulled out $32,000 from our Home Equity Line of Credit (the entire value of our HELOC) – to the horror of my wife – but when I got to the bank, the bank was closed. What a bummer! However, cooler heads prevailed the next day. I then figured if ASD was so good, it will be around a year from now. Really, there is no rush, I can always get in later. Plus, I figured that if everyone is getting into something (which everyone was), then it’s probably time to get out.
One of the promoters told me he thought ASD should last at least another six months – and that I should be able to get all of my money out before that. Wow – that raised a red flag in my mind. Why would I want to be part of a company that may only last another six months? Even if I can get my money out before a company crashes, is it wise to even get involved with that company in the first place?
I ask another ASD promoter how do they determine how much to pay out each day. He said it is determined by how much money comes in each day. Wow – another red flag. That sure sounded like a Ponzi scheme to me.
I sure feel sorry for anyone who plunked down $9,500 (or any amount of money) into AVGA.
If you haven’t plunked any money down in AVGA yet, please heed the warnings from this website.
joe,
I dont know how to spell it ouit to you any more clearly than it has already been spelt out.
The AVGA business model is illegal on at least two counts in the Us and many other countries.
1. For paying old mem bers with new members money, in the absence of adecuate outside revenue from DAY ONE. This is called a ponzi.
2. It’s advertising product must have intrinsic value – i.e. 1$ a hit WITHOUT any rebates, rewards or whatever you want to call them – not in the long term future but in the short and medium term. If it does not – then it is considered to be an unregistered security. That is also illegal in the US and many other jurisdictions.
3. AVGA may be registered in Uruguay and have its payment processing offshore, but if there is ONe US citizen involved, there it falls under US jurisdiction – whether or not it is a private association, a limited liability company or just another DBA
The reason for these business models being illegal is because people who fall victim to them LOSE THEIR MONEY and have no protection for their investments.
That is why the people here care about what happens to the members of AVGA and other autosurf and ponzi schemes. The suffering caused by ASD in many homes is incalculable, as with all other fallen ponzis. There are already people out of pocket with AVGA (the later members) and with no confirmed signs of its recovery, it looks as if there will be more.
How you can defend this set up so carelessly is beyond me.
Hey joe;
You have no credibility. Remember this?
“…You want to know the real truth, I could give a sh*t less if it’s legal or not…â€
– “joe†on Patrick Pretty’s blog at:
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/06/is-anybody-home-at-adviewglobal
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Martin,
First of all, congratulations on using a bit of comon sense. It must have saved you a lot of heartache. You are of course quite correct when you state
However, cooler heads prevailed the next day. I then figured if ASD was so good, it will be around a year from now. Really, there is no rush, I can always get in later.
and the comment that “One of the promoters told me he thought ASD should last at least another six months – and that I should be able to get all of my money out before that.
is very indicative of the kind of players that were in ASD (and of course AVGA et al). So much for advertising. lol
Hi Tony,
Depending on how one counts iterations, it could be the fifth. A new website appeared online briefly on or around May 23. It was taken offline after members complained that things didn’t work properly. It included a “Yellow Pages” logo and, in the past, state attorneys general have warned the public to be on the look out for “Yellow Pages” scams.
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/05/26/news-and-notes-for-may-26-adviewglobal-website-launch-scrubbed-site-may-invite-scrutiny-of-attorneys-general/
AVG’s formal launch in early February also was a bit rocky, considering AVG’s graphics were seen on an ASD-controlled site Jan. 31, after AVG had specifically disclaimed any affiliation with ASD. News spread quickly around the sites that cover ASD, and AVG released a statement of explanation.
The appearance of the graphics was an “operational coincidence,” AVG said.
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/02/03/adviewglobal-says-web-reporter-got-it-all-wrong-denies-link-to-adsurfdaily-chides-thejoyluckclub/
Patrick
Aw, little joe, you’ve been drinking too much kool-aid lately.
Check yourself in and dry out. Then come back and have an intelligent conversation.
Big Joe
No just investors
Psst, joe, they aren’t investors, they’re buying advertising.
Well you know what, if for no other reason than it’s the way for people to recoup their money. If it tanks then we’re all out of luck. Even if it was illegal to start they are now bringing in outside sources of income, I know you’re going to say that doesn’t excuse it but if they get back up and running then not only can people recoup their money, they can probably make money. You are wrong about it falling under US jurisdiction, believe me they had lawyers design the whole thing so they wouldn’t be. Bottom line is if they get this back up and running which it looks very much like they will based on what I know then people can get their initial money back out and it’s the only chance for that to happen, I would think you would want to see that if you’re as concerned as you say you are. They are not going to be sued, it’s not going to happen and even if it did they aren’t going to see any money for a long long time if ever. This govt is going to give up that money to readily, look at ASD. You think they are heros here? Even completely unwitting people won’t get their money back so that’s why if you want to know the real truth about how Ifeel. We can’t let anythingstop this from happening.
this govt is NOT going to give up the money too readily.
“You are wrong about it falling under US jurisdiction, believe me they had lawyers design the whole thing so they wouldn’t be.”
Well I dont know what law school their lawyers graduated from (maybe the same one as Robert Garner?), but they have clearly very little knowledge of the law.
http://www.sec.gov/rules/interp/33-7516.htm
or if you prefer a simpler explanation in layman’s terms:
http://www.eagleresearchassociates.org/Myth_Offshore_Companies.php
joe, AVGA is breaking the law and soa re all its promoters
But weren’t we all told it was 100% legal from the start? Didn’t they claim there was outside income from the get go? I’m quite sure that’s what they were telling us. So now, five months after the launch they will start having outside income and being legal, if they lied to you then, why believe them now?
Was Robert Garner one of those lawyers? We all know that ASD had Robert Garner write a completely bogus “Legality Statement” and even did a youtube vid promising up and down how 100% legal ASD was. How well did that work out? Now George Harris, Andy’s step son and co-owner of AVGA tells you his lawyers made sure that the US legal system can’t touch them. I’m honestly very interested in knowing why you’d believe them.
Thank you joe,
I am glad that you have not been banned from this ‘scumbag blog’. You are not the reason that I decided not to invest in AVG, even though I was told by a promoter that ‘I would be crazy to not take advantage of this opportunity’, but you are certainly a geat reminder why I am glad that I did sign up with this ‘amazing and professioal’ compnay. Thanks for all the great info!
It was a joke skippy
ASD was based in the United States. Big big difference as for the other your missing my point, I’ll play devils advocate and say IN THIS COUNTRY it’s illegal. My point was the only way at this point for anyone to recoup their money is if it’s back up and running regardless. It will NOT happen any other way, this is a different situation than ASD, they made sure of it and even if they tried to go after them good luck, no one would get anything back. I’ll say it again, if you are really as concerned for people as you say you are then you would want it to be back up and running if only for enough time to recoup. They have far far bigger plans than that though.
Well joe, glad you stick around because we all need comedic relief and you certainly provide it. Wonder what Anna will have to say when this crashes and burns completely. Bet she won’t think it was such a great program then, and glad she joined. How does it feel to be part of a criminal enterprise that you “Proudly” promote, which makes you a criminal?
joe,
I dont think you hae read the links I provided you with. AVGA has US citizens who seem to be resident in the US running the company, US citizens as members – so they are breaking the law. For AVGA to be legal it would have to be run offshore by people living offshore with all the members offshore too – offshore meaning outside the US and in countries where it could be legal – because there are many other than the US which also will see AVGA as illegal too.
Uh, read Anna’s post again
Home office , Uruguay period. You think they didn’t set it up properly? dream on. As for US members, thats an individual choice and the only liability there is if you don’t claim taxes. If you made money in England doing something that is illegal here but not there you can’t be charged with a crime. I mean this is simple, the US charges for crimes perpetrated on US soil period. The only time it’s their business is when you bring money into the country and you are liable for taxes. That’s basic law, look it up.
I did read her post, but obviously you didn’t. She said someone else was the reason why she joined, “but you are certainly a geat reminder why I am glad that I did sign up with this ‘amazing and professioal’ compnay. Thanks for all the great info!”
My point was I bet she won’t be so glad she did when it crashes and burns totally. While her sentence structure was a little awkward, she was praising of having joined AVG, and thanking you for reminding her why. But it sill makes you both criminal’s.
By the way, it is a myth that because you register offshore you are not subject to US laws or regulatory agencies. Only applies if you don’t sell to US citizens. Kind of hard to declare offshore status when the Association Agreement says members are “subject to and protected by” the US Constitution and the Florida Constitution. Don’t you just hate it when all the “legal issues” keep getting in the way of a good Ponzi.
No actually she needs to clarify, she said she did not invest and then said she did and it sounded like sarcasm to me so my bet is she’s not a member.
And joe, as for AVGA being “the only way” for ASD members to get their money back – how do you figure that out? The inner circle of founders and owners may well have “got their money back” but what about the newer members who will never “get their money back” if it, to use your own word, “tanks”? It was their money that paid the older members remember? So if and when it “tanks” who is going to pay them – the founders and older members, out of the goodness of their hearts? Those who may have “got their money back” have done so by taking part in an illegal ponzi scheme. Wouldnt it have been easier and cheaper to have robbed a bank?
Sounds to me as if AVGA is a perfect recipe for those without much of a conscience who dont care if some people lose out twice (as long as it isnt them, of course)
I was talking about AVGA members period. ASD has nothing to do with the business part of it. I’m talking about people who came in to AVGA forget ASD. Why would you think I meant them? No the only way for ASD members to get their money back is from the govt. Ha good luck chuck. As for robbing a bank being easier, no way they have security guards and police with guns, you could get killed but if I can think of a way to get away with it I’ll certainly tell the owners of AVGA about. what a great outside source of income.
It is frustrating but we’ll get around it, we always do.
Actually I am relieved to know that George and Judy Harris are now going to be bringing on a “stable management team” compared to the “unstable one” they had before. Will the next management team they bring on be called “the new and improved stable management team?”
Actually no you haven’t. But nice try at obfuscation.
Please notice that the Main Phone Number for AV Global is a “Cell” Phone based in Homestead Florida! Incredible!
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Reverse Phone Lookup in WhitePages.com
Phone Number
Cell Phone
(786) 752-4143
This number is a cell phone based in Homestead, FL and is unpublished
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReversePhone?full_phone=+786-752-4143
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AV Global Contact Information
All your questions can be answered by our staff at http://www.adviewglobal.com/avgasupport/
Address
AVGlobal Association
Ruta 8, Km 17.500
Edificio, Local 217
Montevideo Uruguay 91600
Phone: 786-752-4143
http://adviewglobal.com/contact.html
sorry…meant to say that I am glad that I did NOT sign up with AVG.
Thanks for the clarification, and I am glad you did not sign up too.
Good luck in trying to find a satellite image of the actual “AV Global” building. It can’t be done with Google Maps or Bing Maps. If you have some way of getting a satellite image (or maybe an on-the-ground picture) please share it with us.
AVGlobal Association
Ruta 8, Km 17.500
Edificio, Local 217
Montevideo Uruguay 91600
Phone: 786-752-4143
At least good ol’ boy Andy Bowdoin has a hick-shack down south that shows up from outer space for the “International Headquarters of ASD”. This was another red flag for me when I was thinking about investing in ASD. Take a look at the link below.
ASD
13 South Calhoun Street
Quincy FL 32351
http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=30.585465~-84.580369&style=h&lvl=14&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&where1=13%20South%20Calhoun%20Street%2C%20Quincy%20FL%20%2032351&encType=1
Probably not. it’s sort of dimwitted.
Actually wrong word choice but I guess you learned a new one today. Obfuscation is ambiguity or making something difficult to interpret. What I said was pretty staightforward sacrasm… oops a typo. wow that really means a lot. Short om stories today Patty?
Oh my God another typo we’re doomed.
Yes thanks for clarifying but you didn’t need to for my sake, it was pretty simple to read thru the, OH MY GOD TYPO and she’s on your side, what could this mean?
Does anyone know the business backgrounds the Harris clan have prior to allegedly scamming the public thorugh ponzi scheme’s ?
Nope. But it is a very good question. They dont seem to have much “google” history, but there must be a tale there.
Curious, Joe..since you are apparently one of the AVGA ‘insiders’, how do you handle people wanting to purchase, say $10,000 of ad impressions but have no website or product to advertise? ASD would give people in that catagory a free site to advertise..does AVGA do the same?
Why, wanna Join?
joe: To obfuscate means to “confuse,” or “to make dark or obscure; cloud.” Right word, but nice try.
no, wrong word by your own definition, there was nothing at all confusing about what I said or obscure or hard to interpret, it was straight sarcasm. simple. You said “Don’t you just hate it when all the “legal issues†keep getting in the way of a good Ponzi”. I said “It is frustrating but we’ll get around it, we always do.” Obfuscation doesn’t describe that answer at all, it was very easy to interpret sarcasm. C’mon Lindy, admit it, you were trying to use a big word and you misstepped just a little. It’s ok I still think you’re a smart guy.
joe, don’t get me wrong, I appreciate having someone on this blog taking for up the side of AVGA. Lord knows they can’t afford to run anything like their own forum, especially with how much bad news is surrounding the program so any AVGA member with honest questions about the program is forced to turn to “unofficial channels” for information. And I freely admit that this site and most of the people posting here believe they have very good reason to view AVGA as nothing more than a current manifestation of a popular and recurring scam. We have ample court records to back up our opinions and we look to people like you to stand up for the other side, to tell us how we’re wrong.
But with all due respect, and forgive me for pointing this out but I feel as if you are letting your fellow AVGA members down. Despite all the mounting evidence you and your fellow AVGA promoters seem so confident that AVGA is a legal, sustainable and trustworthy enterprise, yet when confronted with legitimate and reasonable questions you either ignore the questions outright or you seize on some tiny fragment of a question and try to amplify that to obscure more significant issues.
So, knowing that there is no “official” AVGA forum for it’s members to turn to for information and knowing that the next conference call is the better part of “30 days” away perhaps you can help the AVGA members who are being left so out in the cold that they look here for some answers, perhaps you can do them a favor by honestly responding to some legitimate questions.
Are you, or perhaps your upline willing to answer some questions? If you are I wouldn’t be surprised if Patrick would be willing to give you or them a “Guest Column” spot. I wouldn’t blame Patrick for requesting to know the real identity of someone he used his site to publish but I can’t imagine why any honest buisness person would object to such a condition. AVGA has frozen VIP payouts, made the 80/20 rule mandatory presumably once payouts resume, closed down their own private forum and are groping for new management and a new buisness model. Understandably many people who purchased advertising from AVGA are alarmed.
Surely the company that hopes to become a giant in internet adverting can see the value in not only keeping it’s customers informed, but also in silencing it’s critics at the same time. This is not a crisis, it’s an opportunity. If you can stand your own in this forum, giving honest answers to legitimate questions then any time someone questions your buisness model all you’ll need to do is link to this site to prove your point. But if you refuse to explain yourselves, if you just shuck and jive leaving the questions on the table then you’ll just be making our argument against you for us.
Actually joe right word, as I was referring to your duck and cover routine of not addressing any questions, but playing word games. I wasn’t merely responding to one post of yours, but collectively. As always a feeble attempt to obfuscate the real questions which you cannot answer. You did learn well from Andy, and just like him, have not answered one real question that someone who professes to know so much about AVG would be a slam dunk to answer.
Guess you really don’t know that much about AVG after all, but just like to sound important blowing smoke all the time. But as you have said before, you could care less it is legal, you are only in it for a return on your investment.
Oh so now that I proved you wrong you want to say it was directed at all my posts, hey that’s convenient.
Wow shuck and jive, I haven’t heard that one in a long time. Actually I’m not in management there so I wouldn’t be the one to answer anything. I’m just doing the same thing that most people here are doing which is sword waving and I’m doing it because I’m basically just showing how meaningless this whole blog really is. Sure a lot of the things I’ve said are ridiculous but no more so than 99% of the people posting against AVGA. That’s my point and I’ve done it for entertainment. You’ll notice nobody else from AVGA is wasting their time like me, I must be the dumb one. Oh there may be some that come here but probably not many. To me this whole thing is a joke but you all take yourself so serious like you’re changing the world or something when in reality most people don’t even know this exists. The worst thing is all of the people jumping on the bandwagon acting like they really care which is total bullshit. The real truth is I have no great loyalty to AVGA nor do I have anything against them, in fact I need them to stay afloat so I can at least get my money back, thats where my loyalty is. In truth if it doesn’t come back my collateral damage is zero which not everyone can say. Luckily I’m doing fantastic in another “scam” that so many people are making great money in and I’m surprised you haven’t attacked them yet. I couldn’t find the post but one of your bandwagon jumpers said it all the other day when he said something close to ” why are we wasting time on AVGA, no one is making money there? when there are a couple of others where everyone is making money?” Yeah no shit and thats really all it’s about some people can’t stand to see other people doing well, his whole idea was to be a spoiler period and thats the mentality of the vast majority on here. I make a lot of good points whether you want to admit it or not but a lot of it is just shoving the stupidity and phoniness right back in your face. Am I still obfuscating Lindy? Stupid ass word anyway and you were wrong in your usage but you can’t admit that can you? If AVGA doesn’t come back and i lose my money then I will be glad to see the Harris’s waterboarded until someone makes them caugh it up. Just Kidding but of course someone will take just that portion and do something with it. I’ll make sure I take a screen shot. Ole Patty is famous for doing that and making headlines out of it. You’re right I see nothing wrong with AVGA and they are trying to make this a viable and US, I said UNITED STATES legal business. If you don’t like their beginnings then you should cancel all of your insurance policys, ever read that industrys beginnings? NOW that is illegal. Your in good hands have a great one.
Screen shots taken
You’ll notice nobody else from AVGA is wasting their time like me, I must be the dumb one. Oh there may be some that come here but probably not many.
You would be surprised how many people who never post read blogs, joe, and judging from the last stats Patrick mentioned, there one heck of a lot of them.
One thing that we are delighted to see is that the AVGA Management take note of it and the spelling mistakes have now been corrected to read COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT. Who said that there were no brains in AVGA? lol
I am sorry to see you turn down GD’s suggestion for you or your upline or someone in management to write a Guest Column to put the AVGA side of the story. It would be a great opportunity for you to present the explanation of the AVGA business model to a wide audience and to explain its legality, given the confusion over the jurisdictions it falls under. It is a great opportunity you are turning down joe. Noone here is interested in damaging a legitimate business, but, that business must be willing to demonstrate it is legitimate in order to stop the criticism. This is a good place where it will be read by present and future members of AVGA.
By the way, Uruguay does have some Digital copyright protection legislation, (Derechos de Autor 675244 Ley 11723) but, of course one must prove some kind of loss, in order to be able to win a caes. It can be economic or anything that damages the business. The difficulty that I can see is this. How can a business claim that the reproduction of questions about why payouts have stopped or other questions about the company can constitute something that causes loss? Equally, the legal actions will have to take place in Uruguay. Obviously no action can be taken in the US courts, as AVGA is not registered there.
oops sorry – wrong link
http://gpi.espaciolibre.net/2007/04/07/uruguay-ley-n%C2%BA-9739-derechos-de-autor/
Hey, you misspelled CASE, you better correct that or you haven’t proven you have brains lol. A wide audience? Are you sure you want to say that? Been to Alexa lately? Your percentage rating is equivalent to a pimple on a whales ass.
With a big red arrow going down quicker than a harlem hooker.
You know what, joe? You are very immature and getting to be a real pain.
joe,
On June 30, you said, “I already got my money back and then some and so did the people I brought in.”
Now you’re saying, “The real truth is I have no great loyalty to AVGA nor do I have anything against them, in fact I need them to stay afloat so I can at least get my money back, thats where my loyalty is.”
Which is it?
You’ve also ventured that “the only way at this point for anyone to recoup their money is if it’s back up and running regardless. It will NOT happen any other way, this is a different situation than ASD, they made sure of it and even if they tried to go after them good luck, no one would get anything back. I’ll say it again, if you are really as concerned for people as you say you are then you would want it to be back up and running if only for enough time to recoup.”
Where would the “recoup” come from? New members?
That’s what prosecutors said ASD did with the transition to ASD Cash Generator: paid old members with money from new members who weren’t told their money was being used to pay off participants in the original iteration.
In your various posts here, you’ve used phrases such as “chickenshit,” “F*** off,” “ass-kissers” and “penis enlargement.” And ‘you’ve used “eh boy,” and now you’re talking about a “harlem hooker.”
Finally, AVG has a bit of a political problem: The “evil government took the money” argument among some in the ASD crowd has far less luster these days, considering AVG itself exercised the “rebates aren’t guaranteed” clause and took the money, which sort of proves the government’s point about the dangers of the surf world.
Now, you say you’d like people to have a chance to “recoup” what AVG itself is holding onto — after previously saying you didn’t care if AVG was operating illegally and also saying you got your money back and so did your downline.
But you’re now saying you didn’t get your money back, which suggests your downline didn’t get its money back — and you’re talking about “a pimple on a whales ass” and, yes, “a big red arrow going down quicker than a harlem hooker.”
Good grief, joe.
Patrick
Gosh I’m sorry.
I know I’m all over the map aren’t I?
If I didn’t get my money back how does that suggest that my downline didn’t as well?
joe,
Your Durocher and “Bewitched” references lead me to believe you are a child of the 1940s, perhaps even the 1930s. Your Vietnam POW claim reinforces that.
It’s hard to reconcile, though, that an American hero would be running interference for AVG. Regardless, I’ll concede it’s possible.
What I don’t understand is why an American hero also would say he didn’t care if the AVG program was illegal, and then dot his conversations with references to “eh boy” and a “harlem hooker,” particularly considering the extraordinary contributions and sacrifices made by African Americans in Vietnam.
Here is the list of U.S. POW’s who were returned alive. It was updated June 18 by the Defense Prisoner of War/Missing Personnel Office (DPMO).
http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/pmsea/pmsea_returnee.pdf
Patrick
Have you noticed everyone on the internet is either a POW, or a Navy Seal, blah blah blah.
All seems quiet on the AVG front……..
So Joe, if you didn’t get your money back yet you’re SOL.
we already addressed the Eh boy issue which seemed to satisfy the ones I wanted to satisfy. The harlem hooker comment is just an old one thats been around for years but your right I should have used a different city then it would not have been a problem. Maybe some wouldn’t like the analogy but at least you couldn’t use it to try and accuse me of racism again. Eh boy was simply used to mean you’re still just a kid or whatever and if you don’t believe that which of course you will say you don’t then there’s not much I can do. You quote me in pieces, you leave out a lot of them too. I also said “I may be a lot of things but a racist isn’t one of them. Bewitched was on from 1964 to 1972. Leo Durocher? I was always a big baseball fan and so you hear old comments all the time from commentators on broadcasts. Yogi Berra has always had them too in fact you hear people quoting people from a long time ago all the time. Pt Barnum died in 1891 and we all know his famous sucker born every minute quote so your detective work is fairly lacking.My point being even kids today could know some of these quotes and TV shows. Ever hear of Nickolodean?
joe,
It does cut both ways you know. You have posted at least twice that I called you a racist. Of course, I did not do so, contrary to your posts. Will you recant your charge of me calling you a racist? What I said was you used a (possibly) racist derogatory comment. You cleared that up to my satisfaction….
joe,
Your name should be on that POW list.
Is it?
And I readily concede that yes, people who know baseball would have the cultural literacy to know who Durocher was and that TV fans regardless of generation would have the cultural literacy to know “Bewitched.”
For example, neither baseball nor TV fans would have to have been born in the 1930s or 1940s to connect those dots. People born in the 1960s who were Cubs’ fans and got most of their baseball on the radio easily could identify with Durocher, for example, and people who watched after-school reruns of “Bewitched” in the 1970s easily could identify with Samantha and Darrin.
I’d say it was possible you were born in the 1960s. If that’s the case, it would take your Vietnam POW claim off the table.
As you pointed out earlier, you’ve been all over the map — while simultaneously parsing “obfuscate.”
Hookers? Penis enlargement? Where did those come from?
I think there is a chance you were born in the 1960s.
Patrick
Ok you’re right in re reading that you didn’t pointedly call me a racist but it was inferred pretty strongly why else would I bristle? I mean even saying possibly racist is going to immediately make people jump on it that way, you’ve got to know that. However I am honestly glad that it was cleared up to your satisfaction.
Honestly glad?
That seems to be the only thing you’ve been honest about after Patrick poked holes in all your claims.
….and vice versa, when you refer to me as (eh) boy…..
Ok but I don’t exactly have access to everyones ethnicity here so it would be kind of hard to establish any intent on my part.
joe,
You’re defending vigorously against what some people believed might have been racial epithets, but you’re not reactive at all to the POW issue.
Your name is on that POW list or it’s not — and, of course, the undertones of your other word choices still are out there.
Penis enlargement? Hookers? On June 26, you used the phrase “little boys.”
This Blog writes about surf scams — and yet you introduce those other things.
Earlier you asserted you weren’t in ASD. Do you stand by that assertion?
Patrick
Well now we have a thirty year period of time when I could have been born,the plot thickens. Hookers and penis enlargements? I’m actually not sure of the origins but you can get either one so many places now.
I was not in ASD and boy am I glad, the government gets enough of my money as it is. Don’t worry if I was in ASD I would have no problem telling you. I still think you were in ASD for that matter. You say this blog writes about surf scams well not really you only write about ASD and now AVGA by association so your pretty limited in your coverage.
joe,
A person by the name of “Robert” contacted an AVG promoter on June 30, telling him that he’d been to this Blog and called the author a chickenshit.
No one with the username Robert called the author a chickenshit on this Blog, but you did — and you use “joe” here.
There was a prominent ASD promoter named Robert, and he was born in 1964 and would have known Durocher and “Bewitched.”
And he also might have been predisposed to using curious phrases.
This Robert created a significant problem for ASD because he had some unfortunate encounters with the law and yet was a constant presence on training calls and the like, explaining things such as the 80/20 program.
Patrick
P.S. Nope. I was not in ASD — or AVG, for that matter. I wrote
a few stories about ASD after the seizure last summer, and immediately was greeted by forum spammers, people who cursed like longshoremen and people who used the ad hominem attack.
Sort of like you do, joe.
Well maybe but your not as good as you think you are, I dont know who that is and I have never been in ASD, why should I lie about that? I would have no qualms telling you if I was in it. here’s my truthful history involving the surf industry take it or leave it. The first time I ever heard of surfing was Megalido and I ended up losing some money, then on to Frogress and Agerro and all those other early models. Everyone knew what they were getting into, it doesnt take a math wizard to know that nobody can pay 12% a day for any length of time
joe,
I made a post about 12 hours ago and hoped you might answer it. I came back twelve hours later to find that they only thing that occurred to you was to comment on a spelling mistake. I take your point about the typo – especially after commenting on the AVGA correction, but is that the best answer you can give?
You had a suggestion made to you about a Guest Column to put the other side of the AVGA story and all I can see in response is a series of silly school kids retorts
I neither know nor care who you are, but you are representing AVGA on this forum – as they haven’t kicked you out for posting on this evil blog. So could you please give some serious business data in answer to the questions that have been made here.
I answered that yesterday, maybe not to you but once is it. As for the other I’m glad you got my point because so much of the crap posted here is silly kid stuff, I’m just responding in kind.
“Mommy, he started it…it’s not my fault…”
Sheesh!
How could they? If they are in your downline, you’d have to get paid before them or what’s the point of having a downline? Kind of hard keeping your stories straight isn’t it.
No it’s not hard at all, I don’t believe this, you being the harsh critic you are you should at least know how it works. I thought you knew the daily rebates are paid to anybody that has page impressions. Your down line gets paid the same percentage you do on a daily basis based on number of page impressions. what they do with that money is up to them, if they want to upgrade fine, if they want to cash out fine. I kept on upgrading and only took a little out. I have a down line who was smart enough to cash out 100% from day one and he got all his money and then some. this isn’t multilevel marketing, are you serious? MY God your credibility just dropped quicker than what I shouldn’t have mentioned earlier today and you know what I’m talking about. This is unbelievable, you need to get a little education before you bash, at least know what the hell you’re talking about.
Talk to your basher buddies here on the forum maybe one of them can explain it to you if they even know. We make money on our down line when they upgrade but thats a commission paid by the company. If I have a downline who buys more page impressions than me then he makes more than I do. You had me fooled Lindy I thought you had it all together and understood but you aren’t even close. Ask Captain Pretty to help you maybe he understands it. Maybe
By the way I’m currently laughing my ass off..
I am truly convinced that 99% of you on here really don’t even know how it works. You’re comparing AVGA to the early ridiculous models like Megalido, Frogress, Surf ahoy or whatever the hell it was that guarantees a percentage, some as ridiculous as 12% a day for a twelve day cycle. It pays for maybe 2 or 3 cycles and if you don’t yank your money it’s history. THAT was Russian roulette. For the 1 or 2 of you here that already knew this please explain everything to your fellow bashers. Hey maybe you can have a teleconference for all the dorks that come here and get your stories and info straight. You should arrange that Patrick, heck I’ll even come as a guest and explain it all. You need to do this for your blind followers who worship you, aren’t you a little embarrassed. You probably almost rolled your eyes so far back in your head they wouldn’t come back after reading your guy’s post.
Sure hope I didn’t obfuscate there.
….all true, but you forgot that you initially made money (other than the commissions) from your downline when they first put their $$$$ into AVG (purchased page impressions in your language). You shared in the “profits” that AVG received from those initial purchases, but they did not. They had to wait for their downlines to join or other new members to join — you know, that pesky paying of old members with new members thing again.
You Too!! My God this is so revealing. You are 100% wrong. You guys amaze me! Yes I made money when my downline joined I made a commission and the matching bonus they were offering and SO DID HE!! Your buying page impressions. when they had the 200% matching bonus, WHOEVER put in say, $5000.00 they recieved 5000 page impressions plus 10,000 more because of the bonus. Your sponser also recieved 10,000 page impressions FROM THE COMPANY. Any thing you buy you get. If you put in 100 you get 100 page impressions plus whatever bonus and any thing your upline gets from that comes from the company. Are you serious, you didn’t know this? You don’t even have to recruit people to make money. You’ve been brainwashed. Seriously, you guys should really get your shit together and know what your talking about before you bash.You should be ashamed of yourselves and You know that wasn’t very nice of you guys, I had double hernia surgery on Friday and I am in big time pain and when I saw this and couldn’t stop myself from laughing hard it really hurt, thanks.
Seriously Patty, you need to educate your minions or is it easier to have them in the dark? They had no idea how it worked do you? Oh and by the way why don’t you google the Harlem thing I said. I just kept thinking about it because your insinuation pissed me off. It’s a common reference and I’ve heard it a lot, thats all there is to it. That being said there are things that should be dropped as we hopefully advance. Im directing this to you because the guys im concerned with already know. They didn’t know anything about our business though, damn, unbelievable.
joe, hate to burst your bubble, but they aren’t your downline they are your referrals. I was giving you a chance to correct yourself, but you managed to stumble all over yourself like always. I am fully aware that AVG nor ASD had any downlines. You were the one who said they were your downline. So do you even know what you joined, because it sure doesn’t sound like it.
BULLSHIT!! You really are a wuss aren’t you? you said “How could they?If they are in your downline, you’d have to get paid before them or what’s the point of having a downline?Kind of hard keeping your stories straight isn’t it. Giving me a chance,give me a fucking break. I thought you were more man than that. You don’t know how it works plain and simple, you proved it and now you stand there looking dumb and you can’t stand it
I don’t mind your ignorance so much as I do you trying to put it back on me like a big pussy. You’re feeling kinda jacked right now aren’t you? your whole conception of this was up your ass.
I at least thought I was dealing with people who knew what they were hating, who knew how it worked because you sure had a lot of blustery bullshit but you know ZILCH, man what an eyeopener.
joe, sound like you doth protest too much. Admit it goofball, you got caught, and by the idiot no less. But nice try to foist it back on me, but it isn’t working. You just got caught, AGAIN, with your pants down. You have told so many lies, you can’t remember them all. Next time put your brain in gear before your mouth in motion.
Got caught what??? YOU ARE AN IDIOT. YOU REALLY ARE1 Got caught? got caught? caught what? You got caught not knowing how the program worked, how can you deny that? It’s right there in black and white and anybody with half a brain can see it, you can’t delete it;s there and guess what skippy, your bullshit isn’t going to fool anybody that goes back a few posts and reads it. Entertained sure isn’t trying to pull your pussyfied BS. He knows he was misinformed about it and thats ok now you know but don’t try to deny it you just look like an idiot. Either You’re too stupid to really see it, which I doubt or your too much of a pussy to admit it. thats the one i’m going with. Really don’t get it? reread it. Anybody else reading this go back a few posts to where this all started with Lindy saying ( Lynndel Edgington: How could they?If they are in your downline, you’d have to get paid before them or what’s the point of having a downline?Kind of hard keeping your stories straight isn’t it.) TA DA Keep reading after that and tell me I’m wrong. I know you’re going to be on his side so you might even though it’s plain as day. Your true colors are showing ya wimp. Like I said before, you clearly don’t understand how it works and you know what, thats ok maybe you learned something you should know. Just quit being a pussy.
Next time put your brain in gear before your mouth in motion. best advice you could give yourself ya chickenshit.
I hope you don’t think I am impressed. You remind me of a gnat floating down the river on his back yelling “Raise The Drawbridge.” Be careful or you will trip over your ego. You are a legend in your own mind. Can’t answer basic questions, but claim to know all about AVG. I have forgotten more about AVG than you will ever know. You don’t get it, you are demonstrating just how little you do know about AVG, and you are too stupid to notice it. But keeps those gums flapping, because you just might find a rational thought one of these days. A mind is such a terrible thing to waste. Thanks for proving it.
joe,
You’ve now used “dorks.” You previously used “penis” — and this on a discussion board about surf scams.
And you’ve used “numbnuts” and “harlem hooker” and “little boys,” and tried to plant the seed I was a “closet” ASD member. (It’s a common line of attack here, joe. Has been since the beginning. It often is accompanied by claims I’m getting rich off Google ads, and one Christian fellow allowed that, although he opposed abortion, a decision by my mother to abort me might have been understandable. He was a witness (sequestered/unsummoned) in the ASD case, and later bragged of pending meetings with Andy and became an AVG promoter.)
Back to your contribution . . .
Curse words routinely dot your posts, and you’re gradually dialing up the swearing, spelling out the “F” word in full and saying things such as “up your ass.”
Now, you’ve taken to calling me “Patty,” and yet say “there are things that should be dropped as we hopefully advance.”
Advance where, joe? Into your den of linguistic squalor? Did you actually suggest that AVG critics should be ashamed — I mean, after you defended the company by talking about penis enlargement?
These are your words, joe, not mine. Can you hear yourself?
On another matter, either you were a POW in Vietnam or you weren’t.
What can be said, fairly, is that if you were a POW — a person deprived of your human dignity and worthy of special admiration for the sacrifices you made for your country — then you now are a POW who is running interference for a possible Ponzi scheme associated with a predecessor Ponzi scheme.
As a former POW, you note that you don’t care if AVG is illegal. At the same time, you cannot agree on your own stories about whether you made money or lost money or whether your downline consisted of a single member (“he”) or multiple members (“people”). You’ve told it both ways.
Call me selfish, joe, but I don’t want my American heroes either to pitch or defend Ponzi schemes. But if for some strange reason they decide to defend Ponzi schemes, I don’t want them referencing dorks and penises — and calling people pussies and wusses and pussified bullshit and wimps in their efforts to make their case.
Mostly I’d like to see them embracing the dignified lives they deserve. A former neighbor of mine was a World War II POW. He was a man of uncommon grace; I didn’t even know he was a POW until his wife told me.
My question to her that resulted in the answer I didn’t expect was a simple one: Why does he always start working on the lawn at 7 a.m.?
Patrick
P.S.
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/02/28/aggero-investment-surf-in-slow-mo-tank-on-heels-of-earlier-failure-of-premium-ads-club/
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/01/13/frogress-autosurf-apparently-doa/
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/01/26/megalido-is-there-an-instant2ucom-tie/
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/02/15/is-the-noobing-autosurf-beginning-to-tank/
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/01/31/asd-adgateworld-adviewglobal-in-pictures/
Yeah right, well you sure as hell forgot how the program worked pal. I’m demonstrating how little I know? You know nothing about it obviously and you havent; got the balls to admit it. Right now I see it, typical completely typical. No, you keep your gums flapping pal because you are digging deeper each time you open your mouth, I don’t see any of your cronies defending you,hell no they are probably cringing hoping you’ll shut the hell up because your making yourself look stupid. thats why I invited them to re read it. It’s all there for all to see and all your fake bravado don’t mean shit to anybody that can read. I busted you,BAM knockout, you’re on your little ass, blown out of the water done, finished and it’s all in black and white, aint no legend in my mind it’s real pal. Your response is typical, I’ve seen it before, when you get busted you try to play the innocent routine and turn it around. I Didn do nuthin he did. then the bullshit show starts. Keep talking you just make yourself look fucking stupid.What did you actually think you were going to convince me with your pussyfied bullshit and make me back down? HA HA Fat chance porky. READ IT FROM WHERE I TOLD YOU EVERBODY, then watch the little man keep squawkin and tawkin growing smaller with every word. When are you going to get it? IT”S ALL THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE YOU CAN”T ARGUE, YOU CAN”T DENY YOU ARE WRONG, YOu never knew shit about AVGA and you are a pathetic chickenshit. I don’t see your friends now and it’s too late, anyone trying now to rescue you will look like an idiot and they know that thats why you are all ALONE!!!! MAN up Bitch
Hey Patrick, how do you like the Jerry Springer show here? I know you have to be a little embarrassed to say this is one your boys but hey who knew right?
Someone tell me again why this idiot is being allowed to drag this discussion into a middle school level contest or who can use the most bad words? He makes no contribution except inadvertent remarks showing the contradiction of the points he’s trying to make.
Joe, you’re defending the indefensible. AVG is a ponzi scheme, and demanding proof of that beyond what they themselves have made abundantly clear is akin to tossing a tire iron off a roof and during the period from when it’s thrown until it hits the ground claiming there is no proof that it’s going to hit the ground. Most people have enough sense to know the tire iron ain’t gonna fly beyond it’s ballistic trajectory, but in a group sufficiently arge enough, with some of them having a financial interest in the impossible, you can occasionally find the odd nut case who have faith that that tire iron is gonna sprout wings any second now.
Yeah when I get pissed I swear too much but I get pissed when someone can’t admit they were wrong and try to put it back on me. It’s right there in black and white that he didn’t know how the AVGA program worked and I notice you didn;t defend him and I also notice you avoid questions too. what about the fact that two of them, and you know who had no clue how the pay plan worked? If it worked the way they thought then yes that would be pretty bad but it doesnt and you sure wouldn’t want them to think otherwise. It’s really none of your business about my being a POW, I told you I didn’t want to talk about it, I don’t know why you insist but you keep bringing it up just like you keep bringing up the penis thing. I’m starting to wonder about you. You gloss over a lot of things I say and pick and choose what you want to bring up but that’s been your style all along with everything you write. I guess thats hack journalism, you sure as hell never present all of the facts, only what you want to present and some things have been completely false or you rearrange words people have spoken or written and totally change what was said. I guess I’ve said chickenshit too many times but it is appropo. As for you being aborted hey you know it is said that everyone has a place here for a reason and hopefully one day you’ll figure out where you belong.
Hi Gregg,
Your concern is duly noted, and others have expressed similar concerns. They are not unwarranted.
I’ve previously expressed my view that the ASD saga is a “people story,” one that reflects keen intellect and mindless drivel, thoughtful analysis and passive-aggressive rants — and lots of things not at the extremes.
This thread, unseemly and potentially objectionable as it is, helps tell an important part of this story. It has reached a point now, though, where the point of keeping the thread open has been made.
Patrick