Judge At Bail Hearing Orders Bowdoin To Surrender Passport And Not To Intimidate Witnesses, Court Officials; Order Issued Against Backdrop Of Payment Demand By 2 ASD Figures For $29 TRILLION From Federal Judge, Prosecutors, Secret Service Agent
Andy Bowdoin and Kenneth Wayne Leaming.
As AdSurfDaily President Andy Bowdoin was explaining to a federal magistrate judge in Florida Wednesday that he’d honestly come by $110 million the government intends to make subject to criminal forfeiture, two other ASD figures were awaiting a ruling by a judge in another venue on whether they could proceed with their bizarre, ASD-connected lawsuit against the U.S. government.
One of the men, Kenneth Wayne Leaming of Spanaway, Wash., described himself in court documents as a “sovereign man.” Records in Washington state show that he once filed a lien against a faith-based Franciscan hospital for $9.24 billion, threatening to attach the money, furnishings and fixtures of the healthcare facility, which serves tens of thousands of patients.
Leaming, who also has a history of filing liens against public officials, has been assessed sanctions totaling at least $15,000 in Washington state for filing bogus claims, according to records. He also has been accused of the unauthorized practice of law.
Leaming and Christian Oesch filed a complaint against the United States in July 2010. The lawsuit, which was filed in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims, appears to be tied to an earlier failed bid by Leaming and Oesch to demand a payment for the astronomical sum of $29 TRILLION from a federal judge, three federal prosecutors and a U.S. Secret Service agent for their actions in the ASD civil-forfeiture cases filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia in 2008.
At a bail hearing Wednesday in Florida after Bowdoin was arrested on federal charges of wire fraud and securities fraud for his operation of ASD, U.S. Magistrate Judge Thomas G. Wilson specifically ordered Bowdoin not to intimidate witnesses, jurors and officers of the court — and not to obstruct the investigation, tamper with witnesses or engage in retaliatory actions against witnesses, victims or informants.
As a condition of bail, Bowdoin was ordered not to commit a federal, state or local crime. Wilson warned him that he could be prosecuted for contempt of court for violating the conditions of his bail.
Bowdoin, 76, was granted bail after he told Wilson that he had a heart condition, diabetes and high blood pressure — and that he gives his wife medication because she has a brain tumor. He noted that he looked forward to going on trial in Washington, D.C., on the charges for which he was arrested on Wednesday, and had lined up experts to testify on his behalf.
Prosecutors argued that Bowdoin should be jailed, saying he was a flight risk, has ties to international countries, potentially could acquire false travel documents and has a large amount of money available to relocate.
Wilson set bail at $350,000. Bowdoin was freed after bail was secured by two properties in his wife’s name and a relative agreed to post a surety bond. Bowdoin was ordered to surrender his passport and not to travel outside the Northern and Middle Districts of Florida and the District of Columbia. He was further ordered to report by telephone to the federal Pre-Trial Services Agency in Tampa each Wednesday by 4 p.m., except for when he is attending court in the District of Columbia.
His first appearance in Washington is set for Dec. 17 at 1:45 p.m.
In June 2010, the PP Blog learned yesterday, Leaming and Oesch prepared documents that demanded payments totaling more than $29 TRILLION from U.S. District Judge Rosemary Collyer; Jeffrey A Taylor, the former U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia; Vasu B Muthyala, an assistant U.S. Attorney; William Cowden, a former assistant U.S. Attorney and Roy Dotson, an active-duty agent with the U.S. Secret Service.
According to a document obtained by the Blog, the public officials were sent “invoice billing statements” for the purported debt.
Collyer, the presiding judge in the ASD forfeiture cases, had issued two final orders of forfeiture earlier this year. She later blocked Leaming and Oesch from filing documents in the ASD case.
Collyer’s name was misspelled as “Collier” in the payment demand, which was made in the form of a “Notice of Final Determination and Judgment.” The bizarre document sought a sum that would more than double the U.S. Gross Domestic Product in 2009. The precise sum demanded from the public officials was twenty-nine trillion, four-hundred-forty-four billion, one-hundred-one-million dollars — “PLUS interest and compounded penalties.”
Gross Domestic Product, or GDP, is the monetary value of all the finished goods and services produced within the borders of an entire country during an entire year. GDP for the United States in 2009 was about $14.25 trillion, meaning that Leaming and Oesch sought to collect from five public servants a sum that was more than twice the production output of the entire U.S. economy last year.
Leaming and Oesch said they defined $1 as “one ounce of .999 fine silver, or a pre-1964 United States Silver Dollar, whichever value is greater.”
In 2009, silver production in the United States totaled only 1,230 tons with an estimated value of $520 million, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.
The men said they’d accept U.S. “fiat currency” for payment if it was tied to the “spot price for silver as established on the date of tender at London, England.”
When the public officials did not cede to the payment demand, Leaming and Oesch appear to have turned to the U.S. Court of Federal Claims to enforce it, in effect arguing that Collyer, Taylor, Muthyala, Cowden and Dotson had defaulted on a contract.
Such scorched-earth litigation has been referred to as “paper terrorism.” As part of the apparent strategy, Leaming and Oesch also sought to force the government to post a bond of $100 billion and to “Cease and desist in all investigation and harassment of ASD, its officers and staff, and its member/distributors FOREVER.”
The U.S. Department of Justice responded by filing a motion to dismiss the complaint filed by Leaming and Oesch in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims, arguing that the court had no jurisdiction over ASD-connected forfeiture matters, that Leaming and Oesch were trying to use the claims court as an appeals court and that neither man had standing in the forfeiture actions.
The Justice Department pointed out that Leaming is not a licensed attorney and had been accused in 2005 by the Washington state Law Practice Board of engaging in the unauthorized practice of law.
In 2009, Leaming filed a lien against St. Clare Hospital, a Franciscan facility in Lakewood, Wash., for more than $9.24 billion. The lien sought to attach the hospital’s money, furnishings and fixtures, according to records.
See stories on Leaming.
Bowdoin, 76, was granted bail after he told Wilson that he had a heart condition, diabetes and high blood pressure — and that he gives his wife medication because she has a brain tumor
Looks like Bowdoin got lucky with his judge. Funny how his health wasn’t an impediment to him when he was scamming people out of their retirement and medical funds. Does anyone remember those cancer sufferers who he brought on stage to thank him for enabling them to buy their medication?
The prosecution have probably asserted the truth. He is a tremendous flight risk and will have a lot of willing helpers. There are a lot of people who dont want him to go spilling any more beans in Court.
He has ties to domestic “countries” too. I wouldn’t put it past Andy to seek political refuge inside Keny Wayne’s apartment.
Maybe we should hold a bake sale in case they lose and have to pay up…
DB, LOL, now that’s funny. Andy probably already believes himself to be “sovereign” and above the Laws of the Land, just like Leaming and Oesch.
I’m thinking of sending Andy some brownies (like some did after the raid), with a disassembled atomic chainsaw inside, so he can make his escape from Federal Prison.
He lied to the Judge as his wife is healthy and does not have a brain tumor or any of his 1000 other ailments he now is claiming. What a crock of dog dung. The Judge should be removed as a complete idiot to fall for that without requiring some type of documentation from a certified doctor.
What is our justice system coming to?
By Patrick Pretty.com 8:14 am Dec 3, 2010
Patrick Pretty(your pen name), you really are not pretty at all, paid as a Global Elite under-cover Agent – you really have no clue and you should be fired. You are one twisted little boy (shame on you) and trying really hard, only ignorant people would follow your stories and believe in them too.
For those who have never heard of the “Global Elite” before, once again the great David Icke tells all. From David Icke’s wiki page:
Of course, what David Icke writes is so much more believable than what Patrick does. Quoting from court documents & press releases from various evilgovernment agencies is much less believable than the stuff about the Illuminati and reptile aliens.
Rocky’s Nutty.
I notice one word with three syllables but two seems to be the limit in most instances….
…read it, before you speak or write another word.
The World Order A Study in the Hegemony of Parasitism
The history and practices of the parasitic financial elite
— by Eustace Mullins, 1984 source: Yamaguchy Inc.
http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=WorldOrder
http://www.amazon.com/World-Order-Our-Secret-Rulers/dp/B0006DIZBC/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291426194&sr=1-1
Uh Oh,
now we’re in trouble,
I can feel my skin sloughing off, the scales forming as we speak and I’m finding myself drooling every time I think of frogs and small marsupials.
n-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
So Rocky, it looks as if you made money out of the ASD ponzi – how much was it?
And answer before you write another word.
LRM, I agree, I can barely wait for our reptilian Over Lords to return for us all, and wipe out all debt as promised in secret legislation.
Anyone can fall for conspiracies and secret societies, blaming them for the world’s problems. Some write books and lecture about fanciful things they cannot prove and then attack anyone who had a differing opinion.Most of the time, it makes you look like a crack pot, especially when you try to back up your conspiracies by quoting what someone else writes about other conspiracies.It’s like having another mental patient testify about your own mental stability.
Don, Special Undercover Invisible Agent of the Global Elite/Illuminati/LizardMen
I’d still prefer to hear it from the horse’s mouth.
Come on Rocky – how much did you make out of ASD?
Why do you give a d*mn what happens to Andy Bowdoin and friends?
I too want to know how much you made (or lost) in ASD. I wasn’t in it or any other program so my net total is zero.
As for your crackpot theories, I urge you to sneak into North Korea and bring your startling insight to Kim Jong Il and the Politburo. You might get a warm welcome as they are batspit crazy as well.
On a serious note, I think you need professional help as you are delusional, IMO.
Wonderful news. Lock thos bastards up@ Is Ken Russo on the table? He better be worried?
Im sick about the bail. Its too cheap. They let uncle andy off. Dumb asses. Im sick about this. Lock the bastards up all of them.
Are Rocky and John related by chance? Or are they bi-polar with one living at the North and the other at the South?
Lynn,
I don’t know if Rocky and John are related. But I think that Rocky is acquainted with “The Hammer.”
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/23/pro-se-filer-in-asd-case-used-phone-number-associated-with-debt-elimination-firm-name-linked-to-group-prosecutors-called-notorious-for-defying-tax-laws/comment-page-1/#comment-14150
Rocky and The Hammer both showed up yesterday after the Blog published the story (above) about Andy Bowdoin’s bail conditions and the $27 TRILLION payment demand by two ASD members from a federal judge, three federal prosecutors and a Secret Service agent.
Wonder if Rocky and The Hammer know about Government Exhibit 5 in the ASD forfeiture case filed in August 2008?
If not, it’s an exhibit in which Bowdoin, at the Miami rally, is alleged to have talked about bringing “the hammer down on people that need it.”
Maybe Rocky and The Hammer found those words inspirational.
Patrick
http://www.voxfux.com/features/rockefeller/index.html#metatop
Congress of the United States
House of Representatives
Washington D.C. 20515
Introduction
Dear Reader:
The super rich in America enjoy power and prerogatives un-imaginable to most of us. Who can conceive of owning a private empire that includes 100 homes, 2,500 servants, untold thousands of luxuries, and untold millions of dollars? America has a royal family of finance that has known such riches for generations. It is, of course, the Rockefellers.
But if the Rockefellers were content with their wealth, if their riches had satisfied their desires, this book would not have been written. And I would not be urging you to read it. Money alone is not enough to quench the thirst and lusts of the super-rich. Instead, many of them use their vast wealth, and the influence such riches give them, to achieve even more power. Power of a magnitude never dreamed of by the tyrants and despots of earlier ages. Power on a world wide scale. Power over people, not just products.
The Rockefeller File is not fiction. It is a compact, powerful and frightening presentation of what may be the most important story of our lifetime, the drive of the Rockefellers and their allies to create a one-world government, combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.
For more than one hundred years, since the days when John D. Rockefeller Sr. used every devious strategy he could devise to create a gigantic oil monopoly, enough books have been written about the Rockefellers to fill a library. I have read many of them. And to my knowledge, not one has dared reveal the most vital part of the Rockefeller story: that the Rockefellers and their allies have, for at least fifty years, been carefully following a plan to use their economic power to gain political control of first America, and then the rest of the world.
Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, I do.
I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent. You will find the truth-often surprising, sometimes unpleasant, always vital-in the pages that follow. Gary Allen has done a masterful job of combining the hundreds of scattered facts and hidden clues of the Rockefeller puzzle until one unmistakable pattern emerges.
The picture that is revealed when The Rockefeller File is finally opened may shock you. In this book, you will learn why the Rockefellers follow the policies they do, what their goals are, where they intend to take America … and why it is essential they be stopped.
I urge you to read The Rockefeller File and to encourage your friends to do the same.
November 1975
LAWRENCE P. Mc DONALD
Member of Congress
Dedication: to : Floyd Paxton – Freedom never had a truer champion – I never had a better friend.
Rocky,
I can fake a letter from a Congressman also. Remember what you Mommy used to tell you? “Don’t say things if they are not true!” Any person that is reasonable does not necessarily believe everything they read, especially from a professional politician; politicians, in addition to yourself, are widely know for their skills at uttering lies and proverication (the capability to endlessly falsify reality).
It is sad that groups of American citizens believe that everyone is out to get them, in one way or another. Must be a miserable existence. But if you so firmly believe in what you say, why do you not go to another country that better fits your perceptions of what a country and a government should be. I am sure that they would welcome you with open arms.
No one is forcing you to live in America. You don’t have any more rights than anyone else does. Try to understand that, and why we have the right to think you are a nut job, along with all of your friends.
If you do decide to go to another country, I’m sure many of us would kick in to pay for your airfare!!!
Nice conspiracy theory on the Rockefellers, Rocky.
What’s your theory about how and why the AdViewGlobal surf was set up and why so many ASD members joined it — and why some of the AVG folks seemed to be going off the deep end in May 2009, when the ASD grand jury was meeting?
Do you have any theories about why the Bowdoin indictment was unsealed this week?
Along those lines, do you think all those pro se filings helped or hurt ASD/Bowdoin?
Patrick
Rocky, as this is a report about AdSurfDaily, perhaps you could answer the original question
how much did you make out of ASD?
Noone who has lost money in ASD is going to have any problem with putting in a claim to Rust, as they will be the only ones with the power to make any reimbursements. Well noone who has lost money that they can legimately claim to have had in the first place.
The only people with any problem with the government over the ASD forfeiture will be
– the people who made money and are afraid they will be forced to give it back,
– those who cant prove that they put the money in because the money was not legitimately obtained
So narrows down the objectors to being people with something to lose in the ASD prosecution and people with something to hide. Their religious or political view are just an attempt to divert attention from the issue of money.
Rocky… did you ever consider checking the background of the man you are so “quoting?”
A McCarthyist?
Member of the John Birch Society?
Advocate of phony anti-cancer drug laetrile (which kills users by cyanide poisoning if they aren’t very careful)?
Boll weevil?
Rocky,
Let’s recap a bit. I think you might find it helpful.
1. Andy Bowdoin created and marketed a scam based on 12 Daily Pro. “Members” were told they could get rich by clicking on eachother’s ads.
2. Andy told people he was a “money magnet” and he would create 100,000 millionaires within 3 years. He created 100,000 victims.
3. Andy told people he had only received a speeding ticket. In reality, he had previous convictions for fraud and was not making court ordered restitution payments.
4. Andy had Robert Garner tell people the scam was legal.
5. Andy told people that he had relationships with WalMart and other household names which would bring in outside income. In reality, over 98% of the funds came from new “members”.
6. Andy had a slew of serial Ponzi promoters in the top tiers of this scam. They got paid, the new “members” did not.
7. The Secret Service stepped in and seized funds which are now available to victims via Rust Consulting, as long as victims file a claim.
8. Andy has been fighting to have “his funds” returned to him…not the victims.
9. Andy has now been arrested and is charged criminally.
What does anything you have to say have to do with the fact that a two bit scammer got lucky (not really, the serial scam promoters were the key) and hit the jack pot so to speak and is now under criminal indictment?
One more thing needs to be mentioned. At this point, by stepping in as early as they did, the Secret Service has preserved approx $80 million of the $110 million taken in from the victims. There is hope that claw backs from the serial promoters will increase the total. Generally, the figure has been about 10% – 30% in refunds to Ponzi victims. Let’s hope that by acting early and preserving funds, this lessens the hardship of the real victims of this scam and give the Secret Service the credit they deserve.
All,
The REAL question(s) are:
1) How can a Secret Service agent, who has never been in business in his life provide “expert opinion testimony” that INTERNET ADVERTISING HAS NO SUBSTANTIVE MARKET VALUE, the premise upon which the entire “case” is built;
2) How could 3 US Attorneys actually bring that premise forward to a “judge” for action, knowing that opinion testimony may only come from a court vetted expert witness, unless they are absolutely corrupt; and.
3) how can any “judge” allow such a travesty to get past him/her, unless totally corrupt and PAID a BONUS (bribe) from the proceeds of the funds taken?
AND as a side inquiry, how can anyone call themselves a REPORTER who A) cannot see that glaring truth; OR, never looked anything up and just wrote the PROPAGANDA DRIVEL spoon fed to him as a stupid LACKEY?
Comments (at first glance):
Rust Consulting Inc. REMISSION FORM:
Page 6, Perjury caveat, Line 5 requires the applicant to certify under penalty that they have NOT given POA to anyone to present their claim, such as the POA for damages, so completing the form by members would subject them to 1) denial of the “remission”; and, 2) prosecution for perjury.
Page 5, You must give this party your bank information and authorize THEM to conduct electronic transactions on your account … and if you are determined to have co-conspired, your account will likely be emptied, and good luck ever getting funds back.
Page 3-4, you are to state funds you did receive from ASD, which then makes you a co-conspirator, to which you must testify in the perjury caveat.
Page 3, Queries: who did you refer (co-conspire to defraud) to the ASD program?
Page 2, provide copies of all evidence we can use against YOU if we decide to call you a co-conspirator, AND THE GOV’T DOES NOT HAVE TO INVESTIGATE ANYTHING EXCEPT YOUR OWN TESTIMONY TO PROSECUTE YOU!
Page 2, Paragraph 1: you testify you IN-VESTED in “auto-surf” fraudulent Internet programs, providing your testimony that you have a vested interest in the “fraud”, and that ASD itself (and the leadership) are fraudulent BY YOUR TESTIMONY.
THE Rust Consulting Inc. WEBSITE: is almost exclusively a propaganda site to get the viewer to “believe” the gov’t LIE that advertising via network marketing on the internet is somehow bad business and fraudulent, and solicit false testimony from the viewer based on the false information!
THE REMISSION NOTICE:
Does not guarantee anything, and actually says you will “not likely get” even the amount of your “losses’ (see Para. 7)
Para. 7(3) says if you were a REPRESENTATIVE (resold opportunity, etc.) you DO NOT qualify for remission. ONLY “INVESTORS”, and we already proved that all participants were independent representative business operators! (with possible exception of ‘investors’ who provided start-up funds to the ASD management team)
Also, You are directed to NOT contact the ‘gov’t’ for information,how convenient.
I wondered how long it would be before the Kool Aid Club came over to protest.
Ladies, if you are trying to tell any busines owner, or even anyone capable of finding out the tariffs for advertising online that:
15 second views at 1US$ a shot to a tiny (in online advertising terms) sample of the public, WITH NO REBATES is a good and viable deal,
then it is possible that you know even less than a Secret Service Agent “who has never been in business in his life”.
If you are trying to tell us that you would have (or did) paid the sums that people were encouraged to pay (up to and over 50000$ in some cases) to advertise your business with ASD without any rebate whatsoever, I do not believe you.
ASD wasnt even a very good traffic exchange, in terms of sales conversions, for the vast majority of people who joined and did have businesses and some didnt even have businesses to advertise and joined as an investment – as you well know.
It is obvious that you have never been near a real advertising company either. They do operate and are not staffed like AdSurfDaily. They employ advertising professionals. ASD did not employ ONE. Real advertising companies do not run autosurfs and they know how to keep their clients’ websites up for more than 5 minutes
What is very clear though is that, as you have “never been a Secret Service Agent in your life”, you are even more ignorant about their background, training and ability to do their jobs, than they may be about basic legal business practices.
Noone who has lost money to ASD has anything to lose by putting in a claim to Rust.
The only people who lost money and are going to have any trouble are those who dont want to declare that they ever had to the money in the first place, or those who try to get more than they are due. For those with nothing to hide, there is nothing to lose.
Noone who has made “a profit”, or broken even, can claim anyway. It is for people who LOST money. The Government are aware who made money and who didnt and it will be they, not Rust, in charge of retrieving the payments to winners, if and when they decide to do so.
Encouraging people NOT to claim for money that they may be entitled to are not only unbelievably selfish, but their actions could well be construed as an obstruction of justice.
Oh this is going to get real good! :-)
I am constantly amused by the various named Oesch posts with here. Now he has a female persona, wonder if he has the clothes to match?
Regardless of the inane questions the repeat to the point of causing migraines, they tend to answer no question posed to them. It reminds me of the old “Surfs Up” forum, where a position other than the ASD sanctioned one met with account termination. I know, I have first hand experience with that. Yet, I persisted, because some needed a breath of reality in their direction.
When your 29 Trillion dollar case is decide, then you can pose your silly and deluded questions. A Secret Service needs no business acumen to recognize wire fraud, you moron!! Look up what “Wire Fraud” means. Stop with the insanity already!
Please tell me how person A clicking person B’s ad and person B clicking on person A’s ad will allow both to receive 125% back on their “advertising” purchases? That ignores ASD’s office expenses and salaries. No one’s answered that question except the government. The government states that ASD needed person C to put money into the scam.
The government alleges that ASD made no distinction between people with actual businesses and those with Facebook pages in the rotator.
Google makes billions. They have actual customers. ASD said they had Walmart signed up…which was pure BS. And if Walmart did sign up, would they not want 125% back on their ads as well?
Gerald Nehra? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha…..or are you talking about Mark Simmons…Bob Geunther…..?
My 12 year old nephew can see that person A clicking on person B’s ads and person B clicking on person A’s ad will not make both rich. ASD had NO OUTSIDE INCOME….period.
The US Attorneys presented their case. The court agreed with them. Andy was allowed to present his defense with several sets of attorneys. He’s entitled to an appeals process, just like everyone else. That’s how our system works.
Besides Andy is not fighting for your money, he wants HIS MONEY back.
Your alleging corruption on the part of a federal judge. Do you really think that she received money from the ASD funds? A young prosecutor could really make a career for himself or herself if they uncovered judicial misconduct. Judges can and have been busted.
That said, you need some proof or you are libeling a federal judge in public.
Good question, but you’ll have to ask Mike Mason yourself, he seems to be laying low recently.
Ok, so you can’t give POA to someone to present your claim on this specific pool of funds. This does not prevent you from consulting with an attorney and acting under their advise. Stop trying to scare people.
If someone has POA over another person because of incapacitation, I would highly advise them to contact Rust to see if there are exceptions and/or their own attorney to see how to proceed. Don’t take legal advice from a message board.
Your two points at the end of your paragraph are complete non sequiturs.
I do this every year that I file with the IRS and expect a refund. I do the same for my employer.
If the IRS believes you owe them money, they will send you a letter.
Can you provide one documented instance where a victim has filed for remission and had their bank account emptied? I thought not. More scare tactics.
Those promoters who’ve had their bank accounts seized, have had that happen through the courts, not Rust Consulting. Rust Consulting is charged with returning funds to victims although if you file fraudulently, I’m sure that information will be passed along.
Stop preying on the ignorant and trying to scare people. If anything, you’re just interfering with a federal investigation and opening up yourself to liability. People can and should consult with a qualified local attorney who’s working solely on their behalf if they have questions about any part of the process and what they should file. I have seen exactly nothing from the government which precludes people from asking for legal advice from real (not Keny Wayne) attorneys.
DB, there’s no sense asking this guy to be rational. I don’t think he even know how.
Hey Don,
It’s not meant for the nut cases. It’s meant for rational people who lurk and have questions. They might be influenced by the drivel they see posted. The point is that they should seek qualified advice from a real attorney if they have questions and not be intimidated by crack pots and lunatics.
dB
Correct, db. Noone with nothing to hide has any reason not to claim from Rust.
The only people with any interest in stopping claims are those who are at risk from clawbacks or criminal prosecution. HOWEVER, the data base is already in the hands of the US Government and their agents. They know who was whose upline and downline already. There may well be other side payments and other dodgy deals that theya re trying to unravel, but those dont affect the legitimacy of any claim by a victim.
As you rightly say – these are scare tactics made by desperate people with a lot to hide. Ignore them. They arent worried about the victims and so there is no reason why those victims should worry about them.
I think, however, it is important that readers realize there are more than just big winners behind the disinformation and scare campaigns.
1) It is within the best interest of Patricks’ “steroidal puppeteer” and HYIP ponzi “playas” to use any means possible to perpetuate the myths that:
a) HYIP ponzis and “autosurfs” are viable
and
b) The ASD collapse was solely due outside interference, without which it would/could be still operational
2) As mentioned, big winners are desperately attempting to cover their tracks
3) Sovereign men, conspiracy theorists, ambulance chasing lawyers and Guenth….err….low life opportunists are anywhere they can smell money and/or members
4) Believe it or not, there really ARE some true believers still out there.
Thanks for making a very valid poing LRM. In addition to the big winners, there were certainly others involved in ASD who have a vested interest in the HYIP/Ponzi world continuing untouched by law enforcement. Equally there are those who are trying to make a fast buck out of the victims and want them to avoid applying direct to Rust, although Rust are not charging victims for their services.
I put my trust in Rust. ;-)
Probably a much better idea than putting your trust in AFS or Andy Bowdoin!!
A good Then And Now type story here:
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/venturebiz/content/despite-loyal-following-floridian-thomas-bowdoin-charged-feds-adsurfdaily-ponzi-scheme
http://www.public88.com/cash-machine/cash-generator-englewood-ponzi-case-is-4th-for-sarasota-county
Has anyone seen the “parallel federal civil suit listing those seeking a share of money recovered”? Is it something new?
Tony,
They are referencing the still open Appeals case, 10-5061, as they were one of the myriad people who tried to interject themselves into the Civil suit with their Curtis Richmond patterned “Motion to Intervene”. Since they are listed on the original case docket, they carried over onto the Appeals docket. As Judge Collyer has already ruled, they have no standing in the case.
Here’s something to consider: This bail hearing is temporary. The judge in DC on the 17th could revoke Andy’s bail. Not saying the judge will, but it is a possibility if the government can present a solid argument to do so. Also a lot will depend on how Andy behaves between now and the 17th.
It is a given he is being watched 24/7 and any slip-up will revoke his bail immediately. So this is far from over in regard to his staying out on bail until his trial date.
Going to be an interesting arraignment on the 17th isn’t it.
I am wondering if Andy’s paid off his first wife and the Alabama couple he owes money from his previous adventures.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/article861015.ece
or if any of that can be introduced into his DC hearing.
James Paul Warburg (18 August 1896 – 3 June 1969) was an American banker and financial adviser to Franklin D. Roosevelt. His father was Paul Warburg….Warburg was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He has gained some notoriety for the following quote: “We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest.” (Feb. 17, 1950, to the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations)
what?
He’s talking about the “next big thing”, only it’s not the same “next big thing” as talked about by HYIPers.
HIS “next big thing” is the “New World Order” forecast by the conspiracy theory and sovereign movement believers.
You know, the “New World Order” where Muslims and Christians unite, India forgets its’ differences with Pakistan, Japan and China cosy up together, Iran and Israel buddy up, Tibet embraces China and the USA and Cuba achieve detente.
And, all of it driven by the “Illuminati” Rockefeller family and reptilian descended international bankers intent on profiting from the suppression of the little man.
THAT new world order.
Oh, I see. and what that got to do with AdSurfDaily and the arrest of Andy Bowdoin? Did I miss something here? Or are reptiles now admitted as witnesses in court?
Will the “New World Order” happen before the 17th December?
It depends on exactly what you mean.
Are you referring to “A” new world order or are you referring to “THE” new world order ????
(Oh, in answer to your question/s. Neither “A” or “THE” new world order is gonna happen anytime soon and neither “A” new world order or “THE” new world order has anything at all to do with the fact AdSurf Daily was a fraud and Andy Bowdoin was(and is) a lying, cheating criminal and is being prosecuted for being so)
Hi d_b,
Of course, ASD’s 75 (est.) employees also were getting paid from Ponzi proceeds — some of them in the form of “ad packs” compensation, which only deepened the Ponzi. As we pointed out previously, this introduced yet another incongruity: Why would folks so quick to introduce Federal Reserve conspiracy theories, so quick to rail against purported fiat currency and so quick to call for a return to the Gold Standard be so willing to accept ASD’s “ad packs” as a form of currency — “ad-packs” that weren’t backed by silver and gold, had no street value, Constitutional or otherwise, and could be wiped away by a good thunderstorm:
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/08/30/an-adsurfdaily-imponderable-ad-packs-as-currency/
This story features a graphic of some of ASD’s other purported advertisers:
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/03/15/adsurfdaily-promo-cited-ties-to-google-kodak-pepsi-nbc-and-other-prominent-advertisers/
On a side note, when AdViewGlobal launched in February 2009, the troops were told it was just like the NBC television network.
On another side note, it is possible that ASD had a minimal amount of revenue from sources outside of fees paid by members. There was a purported stock offering in 2007:
Bowdoin was quoted as saying, “We will be selling stock in the new corporation AdSalesDaily to finish paying for the development of the new site and make the current payouts. The minimum purchase for the stock is $10,000. We are looking for people who share our vision, and are willing to invest toward the continued development and completion of the new AdSalesDaily website. If you are interested in purchasing some of the stock or if you know someone that might be interested in listening to the stock presentation, call the home office at 850-627-2206.”
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/05/04/purported-transcript-bowdoin-pushed-asd-stock-in-2007-other-records-show-bowdoin-gave-campaign-donations-in-names-of-two-firms/
Patrick
Exactly. It’s just drivel that means absolutely nothing.
really, get a clue boys and girls…its right in your face!
“We’re grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”—David Rockefeller -June 1991 Bilderberger meeting, Baden Baden, Germany. Published in The French Press.
what? more drivel? You really got nothing to support your scam?
Hey Patrick,
You wouldn’t happen to have the CUSIP number or a copy of the prospectus handy, would you? Oh, this was ASD, never mind…
dB
Or look up David Rockefeller on Wikipedia. He’s certainly not hiding.
What on earth does this garbage have to do with ASD? If all your points are granted, how does it make it possible for “member” A to click on “member” B’s banner ad and vice versa with both getting rich? You do see the irony of adding Walmart to the mix, don’t you? Wouldn’t they be in on Rockefeller’s devious plan?
Here’s a clue, it impossible for two people to click on each other’s ads and both take out more than they put in….it’s as simple as that.
PHEW !!!!
I’n so glad you quoted your source, there
For one horrible moment I thought your source was gonna be one of the 15,100 conspiracy theory websites on which a quick Google found the same quote.
As long as you say it was published in the French press, it MUST be true, so I can safely believe it
The mind boggles.
All I found in the French Press was coffee grounds. I must be missing something…could someone please clue me in?
research continued (for the smart people)…
New information about the US Constitution has come to light since this paper was written. That information may effect the value of some of the following information. The Constitution was never properly ratified; and, is , therefore, not a proper Common Law constitution. It appears that it is being used as a Roman Law ‘operating orders’ or ‘ship’s orders’; as, all bodies politic and corporate are make-believe ships in the Roman system.
The UNITED STATES is a corporation, and Congress is a ‘body politic’ – both being Roman style incorporation’s (make-believe ships) under the original creation/ownership of the Pontifex Maximus (Pope) of the (still existent) Holy Roman Empire. All Roman Law documents (so-called constitutions; but, in fact, are ‘ship’s orders’ of make-believe ships), when used as the guide to operate a country under Roman Law, always contain a “notwithstanding” clause (In the US Constitution, it is the ‘general welfare’ clause). This allows the “captain of the ship”, the President, or a designated officer (judge or Cabinet member) leave to disregard any provision of such a constitution at his discretion. ‘The CAPTAIN may deviate from ANY ‘rules or regulations’ when he DEEMS it necessary for the GOOD of the ship.’ That is a basic maxim of the Law of the Sea, and totally within the ‘common sense’ realm of operating a ship relative to safety and profitability; however, it is devastating to the unalienable rights of an individual free will man or woman living upon the land.
Also, it has recently come to light that the court systems operate their admiralty type law within the confines of a ‘contract’ in all of the British, and former British Empire. The clerk of the court, the prosecuting attorneys, and the judges proffer the contract, and the defendant blindly and ignorantly accepts the offered contract by acquiescence and obedience to court orders and sentences. A defendant convicted and sentenced, even by a jury (in an admiralty/equity court) only need to inform the judge that he/she refuses the offered contract and/or sentence of the judge. As a contracting party, the defendant does not have to accept a contract by imposition against his/her free will. As has happened, when such a refusal of the contract is made, the judge will use legal trickery and bluster to attempt to get the defendant to accept another contract. The defendant need only to continue with: “I do not accept your sentence.” Or, where applicable: “I do not accept your offer of contract.” The latter statement may be placed upon served court documents and returned (signed and dated) to the clerk of the court….
are you readers starting to get a clue here?
Are you sure that your last name is Rockefeller? Because you sound a lot like David Mabus, sans the death threats he makes against non-believers.
Why, yes, yes we are.
Somehow, however, I don’t think it’s the same “clue” as you’re getting.
You won’t find any here so move along please…
Mr. “Rockefeller”
Ok,you have your point of view and others have theirs.
You still haven’t answered the two questions: what does this have to do with Andy Bowdoin and AdSurfDaily? How much did you make out of AdSurfDaily?
You and all your fellow conspiracy theorists seem to forget one issue. Just supposing that you were right (however far fetched that may seem). If your “new world order” takes over, will they legitimize theft and fraud by one citizen to others?
Andy Bowdoin, irrespective of the law he has been charged under, started ASD, and all his other “business ventures” with intent to defraud and steal from his fellow citizens. He had been caught before and there are citizens who were victims of his thefts. The government did not shut down those previous schemes – they collapsed, just as ASD would have done without any government intervention. So will your “new world order” legitimize fraud and theft as well?
An answer in your own words, instead of a copy and paste, would be appreciated.
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