AdViewGlobal Promoter Says Prospects Can Bypass Company And Purchase Ad-Packs Directly From Sponsors To Ensure They Get Credited With 200 Percent Match Before Deadline
An AdViewGlobal (AVG) promoter has shared a strategy that potentially could cause a legal calamity for individual AVG promoters and members. The member posted his strategy on an AdViewGlobal forum set up by some Mods and members of the Pro-ASD Surf’s Up forum.
AVG, which purports to be headquartered in Uruguay and also is known as AVGA, launched a new website Monday, redefining itself as a full-fledged advertising company with a host of services. Within hours, the surf firm announced that a 200 percent, matching-bonus program would end June 5, not June 29 as originally advertised.
AVG prospects and existing members expressed concern that they would not be able to get their accounts credited with purchases or the bonus before the June 5 deadline. The new deadline shaved 24 days off the original deadline.
One AVG promoter, however, said there was a workaround by which established program sponsors could serve as a conduit for AVG.
Under the workaround, established sponsors could gather money from individual prospects, deposit it in the sponsors’ local banks and then send a check by overnight mail to international payment processors in Canada and Panama.
Alternatively, the sponsors could use their local bank’s wire facility to wire money to the processors, the promoter explained.
Once the offshore payment processors credited the sponsors’ accounts, the sponsors could transfer the money to AVG and use AVG’s internal system to transfer ad packs to the prospects’ accounts in the amounts they desired to purchase, ensuring that the matching bonuses also would be credited by the June 5 deadline.
“Many new members may or may not be able to become verified AND have their account funded in time to qualify for the match,” the promoter said. “So as a sponsor what you can do is bank wire or overnight your payment processor ([SolidTrustPay] or [StrictPay]).
“You are guarantee[d] to have it into your account by Friday. Once it hit[s] your account, log into backoffice and ‘Fund your AVGA account’. This will bring the money into your cash balance. Once it’s in your cash balance, then you can INSTANTLY transfer it to your members. Once money hits their account, they can make a purchase and “BAM” get[] the 200% match.
“You can have your members wire you their funds or whatever the 2 of you decide upon,” the promoter continued.
“Unless [there] is a direct wire to AVGA for funding, this is probably the best way that I can see that you can help all your present AND new members get the 200% match,” the promoter said.
Such an approach potentially brings many issues into play at the individual level, including mail fraud, wire fraud, money-laundering, tax evasion, selling unregistered securities and acting as a securities broker-dealer without a license.
Some members of AdSurfDaily, a Florida company accused of wire fraud, selling unregistered securities and operating a Ponzi scheme, also gathered money directly from prospects and used ASD’s internal system to transfer credits.
ASD’s internal laxity and inability to post purchases in timely fashion led to assertions that individual promoters could use the company to make tax-free side deals with prospects. If a promoter already was in “profit” and had a stockpile of ad-packs on the books, he or she could sell the ad-packs at a discount to prospects, transfer the ad-packs to prospects using ASD’s internal system and pocket the cash.
The prospects would “earn” at ASD’s advertised rate, even though they paid less than others for ad-packs by purchasing through sponsors and bypassing the company. Other ASD members who had paid full price through ASD would inherit the burden of paying for the discounted ad-packs and their full “earning” potential.
Collecting money from prospects and transferring ad-packs using AVG’s internal system may be problematic even if the ad-packs aren’t offered at a discount. The government views the autosurf business model as foundationally corrupt, and makes no secret that participants are subject to prosecution under securities, wire-fraud, mail-fraud, money-laundering and racketeering statutes.
“Once the offshore payment processors credited the sponsors’ accounts, the sponsors could transfer the money to AVG and use AVG’s internal system to transfer ad packs to the prospects’ accounts in the amounts they desired to purchase, ensuring that the matching bonuses also would be credited by the June 5 deadline.”
Patrick,
Do you understand what you just did? You made headlines with an inaccurate depiction of how this works. Ad packs, which do not exist in AVGA, could not be transfered if they did exist. Do some homework man!!! You are shameless and it is getting very old!! Get it right before you lead with this inaccurate, bias and unfair reporting!!!!!!!!!!!
CORRECTION,
This Blog stands behind its reporting.
Patrick
Correction!! Quit promoting your wire fraud ponzi scheme. No one is interested and unfortunately I don’t think you can count on any of us joining….
I’m not promoting anything moron. And don’t tell me what to do either. I’m just calling out the inaccuracies for fyou blind followeres.. There is no free pass around the truth. You cannot move “ad packs” inside the AVGA customer base. Once Patrick established that, there was no reason for this piece, except to perhaps stir up trouble and get people to your google ads. I could be wrong, but not likely.
Correction:
Call the Ad-Packs, Ad Impressions, small docile dogs.. it does not matter, it’s the same thing. MONEY LAUNDERING at it’s finest. Tell me how this is different than ASD???
Don
I stand by my comment. There is no reason to have written this piece. Oh, and that reminds me. If getting people to the Google ads is not why this blog exists, perhaps you can remove them, and any other monetization on this site. Make it a true public service.
I’ll be watching…
You can stand by all the comments you wish to, but that doesnt change the fact that the manipulation of incoming funds to AVGA constitutes money laundering. Whetgher you like it or not.
You may stand by it, hang from it, or call it Uncle Fred. It matters not. You said ASD was real, also. AVGA is not more a newer business model that the Sun has been re-manufactured and is now “New and Improved”. It’s the same old crap with a different name. I’m sorry that you fall for these scams.
I seem to remember something similar to this happening in Bryan Marsden’s scam PIPS a few years back. The idea was that the big time ponzi pimps would collect the cash on behalf of their down line & their accounts would be credited with the PIPS-points (or what ever they were called).
What actually happened was that the PIPS-points were credited out of the sponsors account. Effectively turning the worth-less PIPS-points into hard cash. The PIPS-points were not bought from the company just from the sponsor.
This was one of the things that helped with the downfall of the PIPS scam. No wonder then that the ponzi players, promoters and profiteers are not keen on this article.
Don,
Please read that headline and forget about me for a minute. It is not accurate….by a mile. Yet there it is to misinform every reader who sees it. Be honest…it is not true, yet it is big and bold and in my opinion inflammitory. Just think if you were on the other side of an argument that was being pursued with apparent malicious intent. There is no free pass and that headline is false!
Patrick,
Please print a retraction …please.
Tony H,
I’m sure you’re a good guy. I have no doubt that most people here are good people who mean well. But enough is enough. Month after month …man I’m so tired of this. Put everything aside about ponzis and ASD and anything else and honestly tell me that this article and it’d headline is true and you will be displaying for all who read this just how little you know about AVGA. To bring up any other compnay is just not germain to my point, which is that it is just not true…yet there it is, as blatant perhaps as any lie Andy Bowdoin has ever been accused of using to persuade innocent people. Sad…
AdViewGlobal Promoter Says Prospects Can Bypass Company And Purchase Ad-Packs Directly From Sponsors To Ensure They Get Credited With 200 Percent Match Before Deadline
But that is exactly what the promoter is recommending
When are you finally going to prove there is outside revenue that would make this not a ponzi?
Whip, even with outside revenue, they still have to demonstrate that the advertising product has the intrinsic value of $1 a shot too (or whatever they charge), otherwise they can be found guilty of selling unregistered securities
Fortget about outside revenue…is that headline accurate Alaycia..is it?
well..is it?
YES!
It is not and I’m not letting this pass. It is impopssible to what Patrick reports…absolutely not possible. Bias minds..that’s what this blog is all about.
CORRECTION,
If you truly don’t understand why the strategy as outlined by the AVG promoter is problematic to the point of endangering his liberty and the liberty of his customers, then you truly are blind.
He is talking about:
1.) Collecting money from individual prospects.
2.) Depositing it in local banks and converting it to his own use.
3.) Overnighting checks to offshore processors or using the bank’s wire facility as a shortcut.
4.) Transferring the money from the processors to AVG.
5.) Using the money to fund HIS AVG account.
6.) Using AVG again to move the value of the money in his account to the accounts of others, so THEY can make purchases.
So, the prospect’s bank thinks he did business with the sponsor, and the sponsor’s bank thinks he did business with the prospect — and yet the money ultimately ends up with AVG, a company that says its headquartered in Uruguay, after making its way either through Canada or Panama.
There are significant problems with that, whether you care to acknowledge them or not.
It is utterly meaningless that AVG calls its product “viewer impressions” instead of ad-packs and calls the payouts VIPs instead of rebates. In fact, the insistence on the forced use of language is a key marker of a scam — and wordplay has NEVER done one thing to minimize a surf’s or individual participant’s exposure, as ASD members found out.
Patrick
Oh that’s nice Patrick…shut me up? Be a man and retract that headline
Oh that’s nice Patrick…shut me up?
Patrick,
This column and it’s headline is inaccurate…retract it please and maintain some credibility…please
there is no free pass today…retraction please!!
CORRECTION,
No one is shutting you up.
Patrick
What has being a man got to do with publishing a correct assessment of the situation?
Corrected, you have been corrected. You evidently have not understood what the promoter has done wrong, nor why it has any legal implications. Your loyalty to AVGA and the actions of their promoters is touching, but it is way off mark. If a member sends money to a promoter instead of directly to AVGA, he has no contractual relationship with AVGA. It is the promoter who banks the cash. The members “ads” are not then funded b y his own money, but with the money or AVGA funny money belonging to somebody else.
If the members account is funded with AVGFA money and not real money, then that member has made no real cash purchase, in law. This hapened with some of the members of ASD. They never had their accounts funded with real money paid direct to ASD, and, as a result, have problems with their claims for restitution with the AG
However, having read many of your posts, I dont think you dont understand. I think you understand perfectly, but are not happy seeing someone spelling it out in clear language. After all, clear language is the enemy of the scammer
Patrick,
retraction please
Alasycia,
I know what is going on here…you and your crecdibility is now on the line. RETRACTION…TIME TO TELL THE TRUTH OR BE LUMPED WITH ANDY…no free pass today …retractiohn please!!
Alaysia,
Are you an AVGA member? You do not know the rules of thwe association…obviously…I demand a retraction…
Anyone else? I am still demanding the truth…retract please!!!
Correction. Calm down. Explain yourself please.
Well then, there you are. One less believeable blog in the world. It does not have to be this way. Just tell the accurate truth…and retract this blatantly inaccurate headline…please…thank you.
I will not calm down…there is no free pass today!!
Sorry Alasysa…this is just so wrong. No laughs, no jokes, no details about why ponzies are ponzies. The author of this blog wrote this story and it is just palin inaccurate…today is the day and in the name of all the people who are affected by ASD, Cep, Avga or any other bit of this saga, I will call out the inaccuracies and demnand a retraction for you and every one else…retract!! Please retract now!!
Correction, what is wrong with pointing out that certain AVGA promoters are encouraging practices that are both legally and morally WRONG?
Correction,
This is Not your forum. How about I go over to the AVGA forum and demand retractions that I do not believe are the truth? How far would I get there? This is Patrick’s forum and he gets to choose what he will write about.
Besides, the majority of the readers here can all “see” the implications that this may cause. It was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this thread over on the AVGA forum. Wire fraud and money laundering.
I will do periods instead of !………………………..
Wire fraud and money laundering.
CORRECTION!,
You continue to never answer a single question that I ask. Answer them, and I will also ask Patrick P to retract his headline. Deal? You know the questions — outside revenue and not paying old members with new member money……..
Correction, AVGA is already lumped with Andy. Heck, your “Founders” or Flounders or whatever you call them, are part of Andy’s organization to freaking begin with. Are you on medication? If so, take it. You sound a lot like the “faithful” over at Surf’s Up when Andy got raided. Exactly like them, just because you have a different opinion does not negate what Patrick said. In fact, several ASD promoters also did the same thing, they just didn’t go to offshore banks to launder the money.
We are not the cult followers you are used to. Maybe Laura and terralynn will listen to your whining.
Actually alasycia, sending $$$$ to these upline promoters/sponsored is legally equivalent to sending it to AVG in the 1st place, and you’ll get the same rate of return. What is the difference between any of the various levels of money laundering and illegal activity????
Also, to CORRECTION!’s credit, his/her language is quite clear. Content-free, but clear…..
Cathy G,
The truth must be served regardless of the forum. That headline is in accurate. It is in fact untrue. Do you like lies? I am going to demand a retraction to that headline until I’m banned from this site for demanding the truth. At that point you can have “your” forum BACK AND BATH IN THE INACCURACIES, HALF-TRUTHS AND DISTORTIONS. i HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IT HAPPENS ON OTHER FORUMS TOO…DOES THAT MAKE IT RIGHT, OR EVEN ACCEPTABLE, BECAUSE IT SUPPORTS YOUR POINT OF VIEW?…THAS IS SUCH A SHALLOW ANSWER TOTHE QUESTION WHO WILL TELL THE TRUTH? I demand the truth!!!RETRACT !!!!!
OK CORRECTION!,
Here’s your chance. You are claiming that today is the day you will articulate the inaccuracies of the poster hear, including PP. So be it — live up to your own words. Provide just the data that has been asked of you at least 20 times, and you might actually get a retraction. Where’s your case?
Entertainesd,
Do you demand the truth from ASD? Do you Cathy G, or A or the sicilian.. be consistent and demand a retraction to that headline…join me is going above the sesspoil on both asides of the arrgument. Demand a retraction…demand the truth!!! Please!
Cathy G.,
I disagree with you. The AVG koolaid drinkers don’t need the “evidence.” They’re thieves…. In principle, we are rational (if mistaken, according to CORRECTION!) Let’s hear CORRECTION! out, and let him set us straight. Let’s go CORRECTION!, provide the evidence, convince us…..
Today it is about that headline…it is not true…it cannot happen and I demand a retraction!!!
CORRECTION!,
As I said, give me the two good reasons that I have pursued you for for several weeks and I WILL call for a retraction……for me there are no sides, only data.
I’m not going to let you change the subject…RETRACT!!!
OK, how is it not true. Provide data please……
No change of subject…..I’ll join you, just provide the data that you have continuously avoided. I suspect there’s a reason for that — you cannot……right?
E,
It cannot happen the way it is discribed. The haeadline is blatantly inaccurate. You cannot bypass AVGA and buy from your sponsor. Do you know how AVGA works…anyone?
Retract!!!!
Perhaps today, but…there are weeks of requests for data from you that you have not even answered. It’s all part of a larger mosaic. Regardless of the headline for today, AVG IS a Ponzi in the absence of the data I have requested from you……
OBTW, I HAVE demanded accuracy and data wrt ASD. See my Black Box analysis of a definitive proof of the ASD unsustainability. That’s why your god Bowdoin signed a proffer letter, and admitted ASD was an illegal operation in his pro se filings as you’ll recall…..
I thought so. No one knows how it works , yet erveryone condemns it. There you go.
But WHY???? It is a correct statement.
Correction,
Exactly what is in the article that you are so adamant on being untrue?
OK CORRECTION!,
How about this? PP has found a rogue promoter who is violating the TOC for AVG. I grant that could very well bethe case, and that the standard mode of operation for AVG would not allow this. Fair enough. Now, about those Ponzi-avoidance questions I have asked…..any response?
If that is the case, why are promoters recommending that members do exactly that?
Man..talk about your double standards. Rake some people over the coals for misleading the masses, and don’t demand the same accoutablity from the bloggers. Retration Please is all we all need to say and maybe, the truth will be told if just for one day..today. Please retract tht inaccurate, misleading and hurtful ,to some, albeit unintentional headline…pleasse.
Correction,
How can you be sure that we don’t know how it works. I am currently a member of AVGA but yet you say we don’t know.
Quite the contrary. We know how it works and also see that it is wire fraud and money laundering.
See Cathy G …you questioned it…good! That’s what we need. Read every article with that thought in mind. Is this really true? I know a lot about a lot of things, but i’m not the brightest guy you know I’m sure. But I just go youto question what is happening here. youcannot purchase paage impressions form you sponsor. It cannot happen, yet we have headlines condeming something tht did not happen. I’m sick of it. Just sick…tired really…Hoe about you? and E and A a s and all the rest. Are yousick of this? It exacerbates eveeryones pain to read this inaccurate monetization process. Juast give me a retraction and I’ll call it a night..
Cathy G,
If you do not question that headline, I assure you, member of AVG Association or not, you do not know the rules of the association. I believe that you and robbie and several others may be plants in the AVGA forum. I won’t accuse you of that because how can I knowthe truth. I know what I know and I demand a retractioon for that headline…no free pass today!!
Correction.
Just because I am a member does not mean that I believe in AVGA.
I am a member to watch and see how it all pans out and when it is going to explode to its death.
You are correct though. You cannot purchase page impressions from each other. You just transfer money from person to person via wire or cashiers check. Or is it cash balance to cash balance? I believe that is considered money laundering.
Now can you answer Entertained ?
Not until I get my retraction…sorry.
I don’t expect that retraction. It would demand a level of honesty that this conversation will not permit. Just be accurate…simple stuff!
I hate to say it but CORRECTION sounds a lot like another individual called Bob!
CORRECTION,
That would be news to the promoter who recommended the strategy — and not a SINGLE person corrected him in TWO days’ time. In fact, people complained that they couldn’t seem to fund AVG accounts directly.
The promoter said people with “big bucks” might want to use the strategy, which makes it look all the worse.
So, I’ll say again — and add some details:
* The prospect’s bank thinks he is doing business with the sponsor.
* The sponsor’s bank thinks he is doing business with the prospect.
* The sponsor routes the money to the payment processor.
* The payment processor thinks it is doing business with the sponsor, when the prospects are the real customers.
* The payment processor credits the sponsor’s account.
* The sponsor then sends the money to AVG.
* The sponsor then funds his AVG account with the proceeds from the payment processor.
* The sponsor then uses the AVG system to switch the money or value thereof to the accounts of the prospects.
* AVG becomes the final beneficiary of a complex transaction in which the banks of the individual participants were used to route money to a company that likely is selling unregistered securities, running a Ponzi scheme and, PERHAPS, starved for cash because the banks won’t do business with it directly.
Patrick
Patrick,
You cannot buy page impressions form your sponsor. How hard is that to understand?
Mr Arons,
I’m not going there with you. Goodbye sir.
Patrick,
Today is truth day…time to be accurate. Retract!
Ok, Patrick could you please change the “ad packs” to “page impressions” on the headline? Maybe our dear friend Correction will be able to sleep tonight.
Or…..change it to cash balance to cash balance.
Anyone else? The truth will be told today…retract!!
…RETRACT!
…Please
I’m waiting….
This is comical………
Oh my God. What a fun read this has been. CORRECTION, one has to question your reading skills. You have one of the promoter’s, who has said this is how you could get around the June 5 deadline and make sure you can get new members approved in time for the bonuses, and the headline does not say that AVGA approves of this method. It says a promoter is exploiting and recommending they do it this way,and the headline is true.
This demand for a retraction is hilarious. But thanks for the entertainment value. I know, I know I am a troll, a brain-dead follower who cannot think for themself, a Koo-Aid drinker, a zombie, a cult member…wait, I believe I have had heard all this before. Don’t tell me, I’m sure it will come to me.
But keep on demanding a retraction. The fact you are not going to get it because the headline is true is immaterial.
Shut up you idiot!!
The headline is inaccurate. The fact that you are so uninformed to know that is not part of this demand. Patrick knows that it is in accurateand that his reputation is on the line in the opinion of some, yet he comes back at me with details that are not necessary. All we need is the truth, and a retraction of the headline. Anyone else with comments can stick them in their ashtray for all I care. Just be fair and accurate….please.
I think Correction is Bob..
I’ve come to this blog a hundred times and I think almost always there is an inaccuracy. How do I know? I know, and so do most people who come here. Today I drew the line in the sand. That the writer of this blog would not jump over the line and admit he is off the mark, if only for one day, is a tradgedy. So many people come here for accurate news and truth. Yet all they got today is “breaking news” that is just not true. Defend that everyone and at the end of his day I know that I defended the truth. What an emotional waste of energy, thought, and time. Put away your prejudicies ladies and gentlemen…if only for today. Demand a retraction, or fall down with the weak, timid souls who will accept anything that a blogger can use to make a buck.
Good night Patrick…I’m watching and I’ll be here tommorow to call you on your inaccuracies. I hope the masses will join me. The line has been drawn!
Methinks the “masses” could care less what you think. But that’s just me. I stand with Patrick, not against him. Problem is, you protest too much.. it makes us believe Patrick got it right, after all.
CORRECTION, were you involved in Gold Quest International, by any chance?
LSFIABWAH!!!!
CORRECTION!,
I do know how AVG works, but I will be the very first to retract (& urge PP to do so as well) if you can answer my two questions, which by the way proves my explanation of how AVG works, below (and I’ll admit it).
Here’s how AVG works….. A criminal, who is referred to as your “upline”, convinces you to send money to AVG, an enterprise full of convicted felons. This enterprise then proceeds to distribute your money to people who joined before you. Those people are referred to as “winners and criminals”, even though a few of them may not realize they are committing a crime. The act of AVG ending your money to people who joined before you makes this a Ponzi scheme. You on the other hand, are highly unlikely to get anything back on your investment. The criminals who run AVG are also guilty of selling unregistered securities.
That about right? Anything wrong? Data?
The fun part about this CORRECTION, is that while you bleat on and on, what you are doing is exposing yourself to be a criminal who is promoting a criminal enterprise. Nice life…. at best, you are a minor criminal just promoting the Ponzi scheme, at worst, you are a facilitator for money laundering and terrorism. Your mother must be proud.
Again, I’ll retract and apologize profusely if you can provide the data and answers I’ve asked for repeatedly…..
Yes, as is everyone else. Please prove there is outside revenue and that AVG is not another ponzi. So far, the reporting has been accurate as you can not do this and prove the reporting wrong. Until you do, no retraction needed.
CORRECTION!,
CORRECTION!,
I have not even once defended PP’s headline. I have only asked you for two simple things, either of which WOULD perhaps give PP some small reason to retract. You may be sick of me, but it can’t be for the headline issue, as I have not commented on it.
There’s also another difference between us — I AM the smartest guy you know…..additionally, I don’t need to turn to a life of crime & steal other people’s money via a Ponzi scheme such as AVG (and ASD btw) like you do in order to have a decent life……
LMFAO,
CORRECTION!,
Today is hardly the first time I have asked you the questions…….I will admit, you keep me Entertained!
OK, here’s my level of honesty: I have no way of knowing what PP has published is true or not. He says yes, you say no, and I don’t know what to believe. If you believe in the symmetry of honesty, you will now answer my questions honestly (and btw, saying you don’t know is OK too…..)
CORRECTION!,
This is a blog. Patrick is not necessarily guaranteeing the veracity (do you know that word) of everything he publishes. If he has info that a rogue promoter is doing what PP claims, that still doesn’t make it so (and in which cae you have a point). Even if PP were to retract, and even if he were 100% wrong wrt the current post, it does not change the fact that AVG is a Ponzi (a statement I’ll retract once you answer my questions with data).
Hey C!,
Again, put forth the data we all seekand I will join you — the masses recognize that you keep avoiding me. I am your nightmare, but I seek the truth — In data we trust, all others must bring God, and conversely. Your turn dude/dudette, bring me the data and you’ll have a strong ally……
Of course they have out5side income! There’s the kids outside the office in Uruguay selling “Chicle”. There’s also the snow cone and pop stand near the offices here. They just didn’t say they had sustainable outside income.
Absolutely amazing. My former asd sponsors, whowm are now part of avg, admitted avg is a complete ponzi. Their reply was “who cares?” you can try and get back what you lost in asd. No thank you.
Reading your blogs reminds me that MLM a solid business opportunity has now been penetrated with EGGHEADS who think they are legal experts and believe the criminal element of their organizations regardless of what they are called, to escape the laws established by the other EGGHEADS. Why don’t you take your hair brained enthusiasm for supporting obvious get rich quick PONZI schemes and point your tirades towards our crooked EGGHEADS in Washington and the 50 state capitols.
No half way intelligent individual should or would support a business entangled in such a web of suspicion and controversy as you all are.
Wake up Americans it’s no wonder the world thinks we are “STUPID”!
When your upline says to buy ad packs or whatever from them directly, it’s “the writing on the wall” that this thing is imploding. Those in the know want cold, hard cash for whatever “units” they can sell at whatever price.
Oh dear,
The more things change, the more they remain the same.
Shades of P.I.P.S. “PicPay” with promoter/uplines attempting to dump their about to become worthless “credits” on unsuspecting “true believers”
I suppose the one saving grace of AVG reaching this stage of the scammers’ handbook is the fact it signals the imminent demise of “another” HYIP ponzi “autosurf” scheme.
Still, given the current state of play regarding ASD and the amount of valid information out there on the ‘net, one could easily surmise that very little “innocent” money will be lost.
Those like “CORRECTION” who are about to lose their “hard earned” have consciously and wilfully exercised their rights to do with their money as they like, unlike many of the Ad Surf Daily followers for whom ASD was their first(and last) foray into the world of internet scams.
I think CORRECTION doth protest too much. It is going to be fun to watch how many times CORRECTION posts RETRACTION PLEASE TODAY.
Now I am sure I will get the same type of response from CORRECTION I got earlier when I posted. CORRECTION responded: “Shut up you idiot!!”
Well, I am assuming this was in reply to my post since it was immediately below it. Can’t wait to see what kind of response I get this time.
Keep up the great work, Patrick. You are providing a fantastic service to the Internet community. We really appreciate the high quality and integrity of your reports concerning AdViewGlobal.
littleroundman:
unlike many of the Ad Surf Daily followers for whom ASD was their first(and last) foray into the world of internet scams.
Sez who? The guilty? Yeah, well, they would, wouldn’t they?
Patrick,
You can accept the kudos of the choir, or do the right thing and retract that headline. You know the truth…print it.
Yeah, and if they know it’s illegal, they risk getting their money frozen or forfeited once the evil Feds come after them. It’s idiots like this that caused this recession. They care not whose money they steal as long as it fits their pocket.
Yep, and my evasive friend CROOKECTION! knows it’s a Ponzi too — that’s why he/she never provides answers……
HAHAHA, she called us “blind followers.”
That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all week…..
I just read all 100 posts……….WOW.
Seems like our friend CORRECTION! is mad because you used the word “Ad Packs” MMMMMMMK so we’ll just change that to “page impressions” AND……………guess what? It’s still fraud and money laundering! Wowza :)
And on a serious note if you had any psychiatrist read these comments by CORRECTION! I’m sure their jaw would drop. Mine did. The insanity of it all is unreal. Scary that there are people this dumb in the world.
I hope you’re driving potential future readers away Patrick, in a good way. If I google AVGA, your website is the second link, if I google Ad surf daily, your website shows up on page 3. If there is someone out there looking into AVGA, and they google the company, they are going to read your articles and get a complete education. I think, at least the ones who think like me, will read those articles, walk away and never look back again at AVGA, auto surfs and similar matters. You just lost a future reader, but you saved a potential victim (after reading your articles, if someone still got into AVGA I am not sure they could be called a victim))
When I looked into ASD last May, I had never heard the word auto surf. I googled ASD, Ad surf daily, Andy bowdoin, Andrew bowdoin, and read everything the BBB had to say. I looked through pages and pages of google searches, about 30 pages and never saw one article like yours. You may never know how many people you are impacting with your articles but I think it might be a lot. And it may be another reason why some, or at least one, is asking you to retract your article, because you are being effective.
Patrick:
I was just wondering if your article might not have hit too close to home for CORRECTION’s obsession with this.
Hi Saint Michael,
Thanks for your note.
Patrick
Perhaps not like Patricks articles but nothing negative at all? Enough to at least raise a red flag or two?
Really? A google search for Bowdoin and ASD last May didn’t bring up any references at TG or MMG? Surprising, very surprising. They were being pimped there as early as 2006 Follows is the earliest negative post I could find at TG.
“11-19-2006, 05:36 AM
Re: Adsurfdaily – Adsurfdaily.com
yeah, a massive SCAM.
Stay away from this piece of crap. Jake from ASA is pimping this pile of dung on his latest newscast. BEWARE – SCAM SITE HERE.
Looks like a bunch of stupid old farts who got bored with sleazy MLM, and want to cash in on the quick bucks here..
this one should be moved right to the scam section…”
Hi Lynn,
Here’s the thing: People following this story know that “page impressions” or “viewer impressions” = “ad-packs.”
And they know that “VIPs” = “rebates.”
Wordplay isn’t going to work, because its not about the naming conventions; it’s about using wires to sell unregistered securities.
But let’s take it down to a practical level:
CORRECTION would he hard-pressed to explain to a man on the street with ordinary intelligence — let alone an investigator who specializes in money-laundering — how the strategy outlined by the AVG promoter in the story above doesn’t start alarm bells ringing.
And that’s not even addressing the baseline issues of wire fraud and money-laundering present in surf schemes, as Entertained pointed out yesterday. What the sponsor described was a scheme within a scheme.
Moreover, CONCERNED would be hard-pressed to explain why no one at AVG or the Surf’s Up AVG forum seemed to be even remotely bothered by the sponsor’s post for three days — but because this Blog wrote about it, he is displeased.
Perhaps it’s because he considers the background on wire-fraud and money-laundering in the story to be “spin.” It doesn’t seem to bother him that those words don’t get mentioned on the cheerleading forums — not even after what happened to ASD and Bowdoin.
But let’s just say the sponsor was totally off-base, that the strategy was impossible to pull off within AVG. He apparently didn’t get the memo. He shared the strategy openly. Neither Mods nor members even questioned it, with the exception of member comments saying they wished AVG were less convoluted and complex.
Elements of convolution and complexity frequently are hallmarks of money-laundering, a fact that appears to sail over the heads of some AVG supporters.
Patrick
Yeh, Pistol, clearly it was not a good google search. If I had known what an auto surf was, put that word in the search engine, if I had put the word scam in the search engine, just those 2 simple changes I think would have taken my life in a different direction. Too stupid in hindsight and too trusting of a colleague and friend, but much wiser now.
Anyway the point is that a simple search of Ad view global in the google search engine brings Patricks website up just second to the AVGA official website and I think that is remarkable, and I exoect, effective.
oops, I mean, I expect, effective.
By the way, at the risk of proving my ignorance even more, what is TG and what is MMG and what is ASA?
TG = Talk Gold forum; MMG = Money Maker Group Forum; ASA = ASA Global Opportunities (ASA for short) Forum. You can also see Scam.com Forum that provides a lot of information as well as these 3. There are more, but these will do for now.
They are three forums whose owners and members blatantly pimp scams, much like some ning forums do. I would give you links, but unfortunately, due to complaints, when I post a link it causes Patrick extra work because he feels compelled to check it out and the post sometimes takes forever to appear. If at all.
BTW I am very surprised that google didn’t turn up anything on those forums as ASD, ad surf daily and Andy Bowdoin are all mentioned numerous times in long threads. Check ’em out. TG is Talkgold, MMG is Moneymakergroup, I forget what ASA stands for. Ask Xavier, I believe he is familiar with the joint.
Much as it grieves me to say so but after reading Patricks headline and what he reports the sponsor as saying carefully, I feel inclined to agree with CORRECTION when he/she says Patrick’s headline is misleading.
It doesn’t seem to me that the sponsor in question is suggesting that sponsors should give/sell members adpacks/page impressions from them (the sponsors) but rather a quick and easy way that they can help new members get funds available so that they can buy adpacks directly from AVGA thereby qualifying for the 200% thingy.
Now this may be itself illegal and a form of money laundering, I dunno but I don’t think it is as described by Patrick in his headline. So, at the risk of being tarred and feathered, I repeat, in this particular instance, I think CORRECTION was correct.
Pistol,
Perhaps you missed my comment on this long ago. The Blog software “scores” each comment as a spam-prevention measure.
Comments that include multiple links often get flagged as spam. Sometimes a comment that includes a single link gets flagged as spam, depending on the absence or presence of other variables.
This Blog routinely gets dozens — and on some days hundreds — of real spam posts. Because of the factors mentioned above, legitimate posts sometimes get directed to the spam folder.
I go through the folder daily, trying to separate the wheat from the chaff, and it is time-consuming. From time to time, legitimate posts get lost because it’s easy to miss a legitimate post in all the spam or the volume of spam is so heavy I do a mass delete to keep things from backing up any more.
Try making individual comments with one link each to the forums that Saint Michael seeks info on.
Thanks.
Patrick
On second thoughts, Patrick, I don’t think I should post those links. St Michael could visit one of those forums and see a programme that takes her fancy, sign up and get scammed. In that case I would feel responsible and would not want the thought that I had pointed a good Christian lady in the direction of a scam. It would weigh far too heavily on my conscience.
Patrick,
Retract please!! Thank you Pistol.
I know you said it all in jest Pistol, but none the less you don’t have to be concerned with me signing up for anything.
I think I have heard of those sites since my recent education in all things ponzi. It’s very possible I just missed them in the midst of all the promos for ASD that were on the web last year. I am glad Patrick is at the top of the page at this point. I hope it prevents others from being the fool I was.
Entertained,
REAL BREAKING NEWS!!!!! AVGA is now selling complete corporate web services in the $30,000-$200,000 price range for companies of all sizes. AVGA members will be able to earn commisions as they sell these products to outside customers. And, profits from the sale of web services will help fund the Viewer Incentive Program with the outside income some believe to necessary to sustain the company. AVGA is a true advertising company and is expanding its services daily. More to come…
Ever watched magician David Copperfield make an elephant or a car “disappear,” Correction ????
As you watched, could you “prove” the object didn’t really disappear, or did you just “know” it was a illusion ???? Were you left wondering where the car or elephant went, or wondering “how the h**l did he make it look like the elephant or car disappeared” ??
Depending on the skill of the magician, it was a very clever illusion, but an illusion, nonetheless.
Not being able to “prove” how it was done neither makes the observer stupid or the trick any more “real”
Rather, it is down to the skill and experience of the illusionist as to the degree of uncertainty left in the mind of the observer.
Hang around the “autosurf” scene long enough, as many of the posters here have done, and you’ll eventually be able to “know” with complete certainty, yet little actual physical “proof,” how clever the “magician” is, and that the “elephant” has not actually disappeared.
The job of the magician, after all, is to not only make things appear to happen, but to also disguise what really DID happen.
Substitute the words “autosurf owner” for “magician” and, hopefully, you’ll save some of your hard earned.
CORRECTION!
That’s a great first step, I agree. Does AVG have actual significant revenue yet? Did they not start up as a Ponzi by paying old members w/new members’ money? Those are the next (and necessary) steps to legitimacy…..
If I wanted to run a legal company, I’d have STARTED with the corporate web services business…..
Wait till corporations that are dumb enough to pay tose huge sums for “advertising” lose their asses when this thing collapses.
Sounds just like ASD, desperately trying to become legitimate, right before the Feds froze Bowdoins bank accounts.
It is what it is…the truth. Signature Digital has been doing business with large companies for years. They seem to believe in the future of AV Global Associates. They have tied their name a reputation to AVGA. Donna Rougeau is now a VP with AVGA. What happens next is just gonna play itself out. Can we agree on that?
Entertained,
To date no more than 40% has been paid on any existing Page Impressions. They are paying about 1/10 of a % daily on average. They are “actually” paying only what come is on any given day. So until they are paying more than 100% on any existing Page Impressions perhaps the black box has not come into play yet. It’s only been four months. You would know better than I. I’ll be happy to share more as it developes. Howevr, be prepared to see alot about AVGA through the PR circuit. S/D knows how to roll out a campaign and AVGA will do just fine without rogue marketing like Patrick misquoted above.
See Sicilian, here’s the problem. You cannot read. Read what I said. We are not talking about advertising in the rotator. We will use the rotaotr to test websites and campaigns that are developed by S/D and then roller out to the rest of the Internet.. In the future don’t attack first, just read the words. Think before you speak. I’m done with you!
Well unfortunately I’m not done ragging on your Wire Fraud PONZI scheme :) If it’s such an upstanding legit company I would think they would have a legal counsel that would sue me for libel? Tell them to bring it on.
Is Garner still the counsel? Or wait, it’s Friday……that’s meat lovers day at the Golden Corral….
Why scratch a pimple. It only makes it worse.
Goodbye all…
Good riddance.
CORRECTION!,
The Black Box model concerns the integral over time of the cash flows, not instantaneous, or short-term views. At a granular level, even the largest, most profitable, and legal companies can be instantaneously showing a loss (for example, payday….).
I am underwhelmed by Rougeau’s online resume’. My marketing pedigree is far better, and yet I’m a techie.
Pistol,
I don’t think you’re far off the mark, but in any case it would be the first time COORECTION! has been, in fact, close to CORRECT!
C’mon Martin,
CORRECTION! has served a higher purpose here — he has (unwittingly) increased the # of page hits likely with Google and other engine, which will in turn educate more people about Ponzi schemes like AVG. He’s also provided the Forbes link, so warnings could be posted there as well…..
So correction you admit that AVG is nothing more than a pimple? I would agree. And people like you, Bowdoin, Harris, Busby and the rest of those muppets are nothing but puss.
You are absolutely right, Entertained.
CORRECTION! is actually a blessing in disguise.
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