BREAKING NEWS: Pro Se Filer Says Government Owes Her ‘Approximately $250,000 In [ASD] Ad Packages’
More pro se motions to intervene in the AdSurfDaily civil forfeiture case have streamed into U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.
Some of today’s docketed motions were mailed in September — after Judge Rosemary Collyer’s Aug. 31 denial of motions filed by the first 10 pro se litigants.
Today’s docketed filers include Julie Anne Larson of Sarasota, Fla. Larson says the government owes her “approximately $250,000 in [ASD] Ad Packages.” Her petition was dated Sept. 1, one day after Collyer ruled against the initial 10 filers, saying they had no standing in the case.
No signature appears on the the perjury-verification line in the document. Larson’s purported signature appears on the Certificate of Service and is dated Sept. 1.
It is believed Larson is the first pro se litigant to file specifically for ASD ad packages and not an actual sum of money.
Since Aug. 24, pro se litigants have filed an unofficial total of 31 motions to “Intervene and Petition[s] To Return Wrongfully Confiscated Funds.” The motions have used a litigation blueprint circulated by at least one ASD downline.
All of the motions were filed after prosecutors had announced that ASD President Andy Bowdoin had acknowledged ASD was operating illegally at the time of the seizure of tens of millions of dollars from his bank accounts last year.
Bowdoin also signed a proffer letter in the case, prosecutors said in April.
Bowdoin’s attorney, Charles A. Murray, announced in court filings Aug. 4 that Bowdoin was negotiating with federal prosecutors.
By Aug. 24, pro se pleadings from ASD members began to pile up at the courthouse. The filings accuse the government of “reckless action” and “reckless disregard of the law by my Government to ‘protect’ its citizens.”
Other docketed filers today include Stephen O’Brien, Christine Keyworth, Joseph L. Dunn Jr., Caesar Nunez and Laurie Ann Solliday.
On Friday, in response to the spate of pro se filings, prosecutors filed a supplemental brief in the case that said ASD members “must establish an interest in a property that existed before the crime occurred.â€
The government filings might have been a bid to put would-be intervenors on notice that prosecutors have evidence of crimes that occurred within ASD long ago, perhaps before some or all of the pro se litigants even joined the purported “advertisingâ€
business.
Later Friday, links were established between some members of ASD and the AdVentures4U autosurf, which announced a suspension of payouts Aug. 28. ASD members also promoted Noobing, an autosurf currently offline.
Noobing’s parent company was ordered by a federal judge last week to repatriate money to the United States as a fraud investigation by the Federal Trade Commission proceeds.
Today, the domains for AdViewGlobal, another autosurf promoted by ASD members, would not resolve to their servers in Panama.
Read Larson’s motion.
Hi, Patrick;
You said, “Today’s docketed filers include Julie Anne Larson of Sarasota, Fla. Larson says the government owes her ‘approximately $250,000 in [ASD] Ad Packages.’â€.
What’s interesting about that is that she’s shooting at the wrong target, even if there were no other obstacles to her filing.
The g’ment didn’t seize Ad Packages, for they’re intangible. If they exist at all, they’re electrons in the ASD computer system in the possession/control of Andy Bowdoin and his minions. He can run the ads, thereby giving her the benefit of her ad packs, any time he wishes to do so.
Pursue Andy Bowdoin, Ms. Larson; a child of five could understand that he’s the villain here, not the g’ment.
PWD
Hi Pat,
Yes, it is true that the government didn’t ban ASD from showing ads. But the apologists then deflect to, “How can Andy run the ads if the government took his computers and the money?”
Part of the answer to that question comes in Bowdoin’s own filings. After he appealed for emergency release of seized funds because ASD could not pay its rent or hosting bill, the government pointed out that ASD had $1 million in Antigua in an account under a “different name.”
Andy seems to have forgotten that he told prosecutors about the Antigua money BEFORE he declared an emergency.
Prosecutors, of course, also gave back the computers at ASD’s request.
But it seems they named them anew in the December forfeiture complaint, the filing of which coincided with the buzz-building period for AdViewGlobal, whose servers aren’t resolving today.
AVG, of course, declared a cashout suspension June 25, exercising “rebates aren’t guaranteed.” In doing so, AVG did what the government did: seized the money.
People were furious that the government seized ASD’s money. Some people even declared that the government interfered with commerce, apparently believing that even illegal commerce is legal if two parties contract to conduct illegal commerce.
Regards,
Patrick
What’s the big deal?
$250,000 in ad packs is 250,000 web hits. The market rate these days, for 250,000 untargeted hits, even from legitimate traffic exchanges is $1,000 – $2,000 with wide variances on each side.
The income potential for the ad packs that Ms. Larson might be seeking from the evil gub’ment…….?
C’mon, we all know that rebates/revenue share aren’t guaranteed. It says so right in the Terms of Service.
LOL
As Alice would say, this entire saga, the entire industry, just gets “Curiouser and Curiouser”
ARWR
Understood, ARWR, but that’s not what her filing asks for.
She’s asking the g’ment for something the g’ment hasn’t seized, the Ad Packs themselves. Andy has those, and her filing is therefore shooting at the wrong target.
Perhaps she’s deliberately playing the victim role for the benefit of some audience she’s appealing to, and realizes full well that the target is wrong. Or, I guess another possiblity is that she’s actually deluded – as opposed to simply seeming deluded.
PWD
There’s a “Julie Larson” who joined ASD in Apr 2008
http://www.workathometruth.com/blog/2008/06/25/ad-surf-daily-blog-accepted-by-blogcatalog/
In her posting above her name links to the domain ItPays2Surf.com. From there I found this:
http://www.giveortakeajob.com/Details.aspx?JobID=30&UserAlias=ReceiveTheBest
A “Gary or Julie Larson” promoting “new wireless, mobile technology” – isn’t that what Bowdoin was involved in before ASD?
A user using “www.ItPays2surf.com” says here:
http://refback80.com/AutoSurf-programs/Megalido.com,15.html
That they got paid. I wonder if it’s the same “Julie Larson”?
Tony,
I noticed comments such as this in the gleeful, “I got paid” posts.
1.) “Finally, an autosurf program with some integrity!!”
2.) “The best AS prog.since ever!”
3.) “nothing but good things so far here :)”
These posts were from October. Not long after that, MegaLido started to go in the tank, before disappearing altogether.
Thanks for sharing the link, Tony.
Patrick
Tony H: I think the wireless mobile technology was Andy’s ill-fated attempt to make a buck after ASD was shut down. I remember him calling it a gift, but you had to pay for the gift. Also the “gift” wasn’t such a good deal at that. You could get a better deal on your own. Of course if you did, Andy didn’t get his cut. Then again it might be something else too.
Hi Lynn,
I could be wrong, but I’m thinking Tony was referring to Mobile International, whose securities hijinks led to the felony charges against Andy in the 1990s.
Here is what prosecutors said about Mobile International:
“That venture collapsed and Bowdoin and his co-defendants were charged with having sold unregistered securities to investors and with failing to state material facts to the investors that would have impacted the victims’ decisions to invest. In particular, Alabama officials asserted that Bowdoin instigated a scheme by which he took money from some victims to pay off prior investors.”
And here is what they said about GPS Tech, another Bowdoin venture:
“Bowdoin knows from personal experience why ASD’s customers will stop paying ASD for advertising services if ASD is unable to use the seized funds to pay the so-called rebates it promised. To secure some of ASD’s rebates himself, Bowdoin promoted a bogus website through ASD. Bowdoin explained to the Secret Service that he used the ‘advertising’ he secured from ASD to promote GPS Tech, an unsuccessful business endeavor that had already been dissolved.”
So, even a a failed, dissolved business could make money in ASD.
In December, of course, prosecutors said Andy paid an employee to surf for Andy’s son, so the son could earn rebates.
Regards,
Patrick
There was that fraud telcom he was trying to pitch right after getting bagged for ASD. I think it had to do with that Persavoip (if that’s the correct spelling and they seem to get mentioned in every telcom scam) if I remember right. Wasn’t he offering the telcom service for like some ridiculous low rate of like $20/month to all those that got ‘screwed’ in the ASD deal?
Hmmnn,
$250.000 worth of ASD “ad packages” + $2.50 = 1 cup of coffee.
I cant see a problem here. Judge Collyer can simply refer her to Andy Bowdoin, who got his computers back a long time ago, and, as previously mentioned, has over 1 million dollars to fund ASD’s operations.
However, there needs to be a caveat>/i> as far as the value>/i> of the $250,000 purchase of adpacks, as these does not coincide with any market value close the amount charged for a simsilar Traffic Exchange click. But I dont think it is likely that Judge Collyer will recognise any value in these ad packs, just their existance and the option by Andy Bowdoin to orivude them.