WILLFUL BLINDNESS: With Legisi Operator Now Convicted Of Wire Fraud, HYIP Colleague And Fellow Ponzi-Forum Darling Nicholas Smirnow Of Pathway To Prosperity Listed As ‘Wanted’ By INTERPOL; Meanwhile, Cheerleading For JSS Tripler Continues
Nicholas A. Smirnow. Source: Interpol "Wanted" notice.
After the news broke yesterday that Gregory N. McKnight, the accused operator of the Legisi HYIP Ponzi scheme, had pleaded guilty to wire fraud in a $72 million caper, things only got worse for the serial Ponzi-forum cheerleaders — not that they’re likely to abandon their practice of willful blindness while reaching across oceans to pick the pockets of any person with cash and a pulse.
Nicholas Smirnow, a convicted robber, burglar and drug dealer before he became an HYIP operator and darling of the TalkGold, MoneyMakerGroup and ASAMonitor Ponzi forums, is listed as wanted by INTERPOL.
How long Smirnow has been on INTERPOL’s wanted list and the circumstances under which he was placed on the list were not immediately clear. An email yesterday by the PP Blog seeking comment from federal prosecutors in the Southern District of Illinois on the status of Smirnow and the case against him was not immediately returned.
Smirnow, 54, also is known as Nicolay Smirnow, Alexander Judizcev, Nicholas Kachura and Jeff Prozorowiczm. He was charged in the Southern District of Illinois with fraud and money laundering-related crimes in May 2010 for his alleged operation of the Pathway To Prosperity (P2P) Ponzi scheme.
When the charges against Smirnow were announced approaching two years ago, U.S. federal prosecutors said they intended to ask the government of the Philippines to extradite Smirnow to the United States. Whether Smirnow had been jailed in the Philippines and somehow later was set free after the U.S. arrest warrant was issued could not immediately be determined.
What is clear is that INTERPOL is publishing a “Wanted” listing with the following physical details about Smirnow:
Height: 1.76 meter
Weight: 76 Kg
Colour of hair: Brown
Colour of eyes: Green
The INTERPOL poster for Smirnow was up even as the SEC was announcing the McKnight conviction. (See “Wanted” poster, which is active at the time of this post.)
A U.S. Postal Inspection Service affidavit in the Smirnow case references TalkGold, MoneyMakerGroup and ASAMonitor, which is now defunct. The affidavit also references AlertPay and SolidTrustPay, Canada-based processors often used by HYIP hucksters. The Smirnow criminal complaint also references the Canadian processors.
The P2P scheme was almost unimaginably widespread, a postal inspector said in the 2010 affidavit.
“Financial records of payment processors utilized by P-2-P to collect investment funds from investors show that approximately 40,000 investors in 120 countries established accounts with P-2-P,” the postal inspector said. “Despite the fact that the investment was supposedly ‘guaranteed, investors lost approximately $70 million as a result of [Smirnow’s] actions.”
Ponzi-forum cheerleaders yesterday appeared either to be unaware of (or to have to ignored) the news about the guilty plea of Legisi’s McKnight and corresponding civil judgments against him totaling about $6.5 million.
Some of them continued to focus on their efforts to promote JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid, a “program” purportedly operated by Frederick Mann that also uses AlertPay and SolidTrustPay.
AlertPay and SolidTrustPay also are referenced in court filings in the AdSurfDaily Ponzi case. A 2008 promo for ASD attributed to Mann asserted that Mann was an ASD promoter. ASD operator Andy Bowdoin faces a criminal trial in September 2012 on Ponzi-related charges of wire fraud, securities fraud and selling unregistered securities.
JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid asserts it pays a daily return of twice what ASD offered. ASD figure Kenneth Wayne Leaming has been linked to the so-called “sovereign citizens” movement and is jailed near Seattle on federal charges of filing false liens against public officials involved in the ASD case.
McKnight’s base program in Legisi offered a return of .25 percent (one quarter of 1 percent) per day, according to a 2008 SEC filing.
Mann’s purported base program offers eight times that return on a daily basis, according to JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid promos. On an annualized basis, the “program” offers a return that is between 48 and 73 times higher than the returns of imprisoned Ponzi schemer Bernard Madoff.
Madoff is serving a U.S. prison term of 150 years. McKnight faces up to 20 years, the SEC said yesterday.
A promo for JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid that appeared yesterday on a forum known as CariGold made this claim. (Italics added):
JSS-Tripler now has 213,884 members —
continuing to grow by over 3,000 new
members a day. (If it hadn’t been for
yesterday’s downtime, the number would
have been “over 4,000.”) Thank you to
our many promoters for doing such a
great job!
Purchases of new JSS-Tripler positions
are on track for a new all-time record,
today.
More than a month ago — on Jan. 23 — the Italian securities regulator CONSOB announced that JSS Tripler promoters were under investigation. Ponzi-forum promoters pooh-poohed the news.
Hard to believe after all of this time that Smirnow has not been arrested. I fought tooth and nail with the promotors at the talk gold crime forum back in the day. We got Bin Laden but cant find Smirnow? Something is just wrong with this and how could we all forget Chris007 whos last name escapes me at the moment. He was a huge promoter and probably profited in a huge way. Anybody remember the picture of Chris and Nick? I had it on an old computer but it crashed. Chris has since disappeared from the hyip scene because he likely make enough to retire off of this one scam. The ASA crime forum was quite good at protecting him also. Somebody needs to step it up and get this thug in jail. Thanks Patrick for the news.
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Its Chris Balsdon I think. It came to me. Sorry for the brain fart. Chris Balsdon needs to be under investigation also just like Smirnow. He was a big part of this SCAM. He lives in Canada in the Toronto area I think.
We need to take down these suckers to make a point. Chris, Where are you? I am looking for you asshole.
I can’t understand why you continue to write about this Just Been Paid program and his founder, suggesting they got to be another scam because that’s the way the others went.
Your reporting is deplorable and unsubstantiated, my advice is that you do as I did; infiltrate the enemy and report what you can verify. Stop speculations based on the downfalls of the past ponzi schemers. Comparing Mann to Maddoff is silly at best: Mann doesn’t keep a secret as to how the money is being made and he doesn’t hide anything from anyone. Bernie, on the other hand, was a pathological liar and a scum bag who lied to everyone including his own family.
So, PP get your facts straight and cease and desist speaking about a man who, we don’t know for sure, is conducting a new scam to steal people’s money. I hate cowards that hide behind a computer to make sensational claims that, for the most part, fall on deaf ears. And IF Fred Mann is conducting a scam, the MoneyMakingBrain is going to be the first one to know, count on that. Oh and I will also ask you give me access to that incredible crystal ball you’re using to see the future. LOL.
MMB
U.S. Attorney Barbara L. McQuade’s news release on the McKnight guilty plea in the Legisi HYIP fraud case:
Outtakes:
“Financial fraud, including investment schemes like this one, erodes public trust in financial markets and leads to economic downturn,” McQuade said. “We are holding accountable criminals who use sophisticated methods to commit a very basic crime — stealing.”
Added a Secret Service agent:
“Fraudulent schemes such as this have evolved significantly over the last several years” said Jeffrey Frost, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Secret Service Detroit Field Office. “Cooperation and collaboration between law enforcement at the local, state and federal level has allowed us to focus our resources and respond quickly to uncover criminal activity such as this type of financial fraud.”
http://www.justice.gov/usao/mie/news/2012/2012_2_24_gmcknight.html
Patrick
Patrick, call it “willful blindness” or whatever the heck you want, but just like you toot your own horn from your high moral ground, I hope you express your disgust at the obvious Wall Street scum bags who are riding the prices of oil higher and higher every day, while our oil reserves are supplying perfectly all the demand and without a single Geo-political reason to do so.
These are the real “scum bags” and the real Bernie Madoff’s of the financial world which you ignore and don’t seem to care because they are protected by “law” to execute this type of speculative trading. Meantime some small time online marketing maverick named Fred Mann, has your full attention, in spite of the fact that for 2 years now, nobody has reported any losses using his program. If you believe the day is coming, then wait for that day, because in most countries, people are considered innocent until proven guilty.
MMB
moneymakingbrain: I tried to give you this word of advice at RS, but just like now, you will ignore it. But before you go and shoot yourself in the foot, mouth and brain again, remember:
It is one thing to be thought a fool, and another to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
By the way, tin foil is on sale. Now you can get the full body suit not just the hat at discounted prices. You sound like Frederick Mann when he was part of ASD, another major Ponzi that was exposed here long before the Feds moved in and shut it down.
Actually I was shocked you did not claim Social Security is a Ponzi, but then I guess that was coming in your next post. They ate your lunch at RS and you ran away, so I guess this means you are about to do the same here. But thanks for the drive-by posts.
But if you think that JBP/JSS Tripler is investing, has outside income to pay everyone, you really are smoking dope. The only means this stays open is when he runs out of money (at least what he wants to part with) he shuts down and does a restart. Every time he does this, people lose part of their money they had coming to them. What is even more pathetic is the people bend over and grab their ankles thanking him for stealing even more of their money. You can’t fix stupid.
So moneymakingbrain has decided to come out and play here. What’s the matter, the RS thread beat you up too much you had to run away? You need to know that tin foil is on sale, so you can now make your suit a lot cheaper to go along with your hat. Love the conspiracy theory, and wall street are all crooks line. I am just shocked that you didn’t use the Social Security is a Ponzi line, but then I guess that was coming in your next post.
You sound just like Fred Mann did when he was part of ASD, another major Ponzi he was a part of and was exposed here long before the Feds shut it down. Let’s not forget Fred’s offshore credit union Ponzi either. Hmm, that’s two Ponzi’s he was involved in, and now all of a sudden he has turned into an honest admin of his latest Ponzi. Too funny.
So since Fred is running such a legal program, please tell me all the countries he has JSSTripler/JBP registered and licensed. While you are at it, tell us where he lives. What is his phone number, and what is the address for JBP/JSSTripler?
If you think that he has outside income, or is doing any trading or investing, I have a bridge to sell you. All of his money comes from new money into this program. When he feels he has paid out as much as he wants, he just shuts it down and does a re-start. What is truly pathetic is the members have no clue how much they lose each time he does this. They just praise him while he is bending them over, having them grabl their ankles, and well you know the rest; and thank him for the privilege. You can’t fix stupid.
Indefinitely sustainable? What a joke. It won’t be long until he has all he wanted to steal and runs with the money, and this time there won’t be any restart.
Let’s see, why I am not going back to your site? Hmmm, maybe because you are there posing as multiple people? Or, maybe because I am not sucker as you may have people believe. The word of a confirmed sock puppeteer is as good as that bill of sale for the Brooklyn bridge that you hide in your drawer.
You never beat me down “littleroundman”, you’re a delusional guy and just a waste of my time. Too bad because, some of your posts (and self-replies) about certain subjects on your scams sites are really on the money. However, you lost my respect when you started accusing people without any proof, such as the case of Frederick Mann.
I don’t even want to start defending anyone on this blog, but you allege that he must be another scammer since he used to promote Ad Surf. Well, in case you didn’t know, he lost a lot of money on that program. Everybody knows that and everyone who believes in him, knows that he is doing his own thing because he is convinced that he can make this type of program the right way this time around.
So, being another promoter who lost money on one of those programs hardly proves that he is guilty of “fraud”. Stop being a fool for thinking that he is out to make a killing soon and will run with the money. That’s misguiding and flat out defamation of character punishable by international laws. Do you really believe he would have used his real name to do this otherwise? For what? So some reckless, irrational [self-censored] brain like you can start sensational threads talking crap about him? Stop being so irresponsible and stick to facts not conjectures.
MMB
Logical fallacies, MoneyMakingBrain be thy name
If you are a real ‘man’ Mr. “Lynndel “Lynn” Edgington” aka “littleroundman” Et Al, and you really want to know where Mr. Mann lives, why don’t you have the cojones to ask him that question directly and in person? Call him this Thursday at 9pm at [deleted by admin]. You can ask him to explain to you how his “restart” works or why he is doing this program to destroy the lives of thousands of people, go right ahead if you are a real man, that is.
“Let’s not forget Fred’s offshore credit union Ponzi either. ”
Yeah, show us that link and show me who filed charges against him. I’ll join you on Thursday and be the first one to confront him with what you’ve supposedly got on him.
MMB
It’s sad, really.
All of these logical fallacies and theories, yet with every one of them, MMB exposes how little he knows about the world of internet fraud generally and HYIP ponzi scams in particular.
Ah, well,
Que sera, sera.
“you can lead a horse” and all that.
I am going to give you a good piece of advice, [deleted by admin], no one is invisible to the MoneyMakingBrain and you need to stop doing what you’re doing against this man immediately. Because if you don’t, I am going to make a formal complain to the very authorities you purport are coming after scam sites and send all the evidence I’ve gathered so far from posting on your site and the realscam site. I don’t like witch hunts and I am sure Fred Mann can whip your ass in court for your highly suggestive, provocative, highly contentious and flat-out defamatory commentaries against his character on your sites.
You can delete my comments as much as you like, but take what I said to the bank. In the end, you are going to look like a fool.
MMB
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Whoa, Mr. Tough Guy! Sue? Are you kidding? I sure hope not. You don’t have the balls to sue anyone, nor does Fred Mann. A lot of huffing and puffing but all hot air that could not fill a balloon. Fred Mann must be swearing at you about now for you to keep your yap shut about suing. The last place this Ponzi pimp, or you, wants to be is in a courtroom trying to explain how his Ponzi isn’t a Ponzi. Besides, neither of you would ever survive discovery. Nice word discovery. You should look it up some time and learn what it means.
By the way, I am not LRM, so much for your investigative skills. Don’t quit your day job, that is if you have one.
I wish I had a dime for every time some yokel like you threatened to sue because someone said something they didn’t like about their favorite Ponzi de Jour. Sue? LOLOLOLOL!
You gotta admit, though, “brain” IS funny.
Seldom in history has one person got so many things wrong about so many things.
LOL, a sock puppeteer is what a sock puppeteer does. Yeah, nobody notices that against all odds, “Lynn” posted within minutes of the “littleroundman” last night. Did I say I was suing? I said I will make a formal complaint. Internet cyber bullying is punishable by law. Obviously you don’t know what you write. It’s a pattern with you, actually.
Discovery? I thought that proof to his alleged crimes and violations have been already demonstrated beyond shadow of a doubt and exist in public records. Why would then a “discovery” be needed now? LOL. Do you even know the meaning of the word? Anyway, “Lynn”, “litleroundman” and all socks, you couldn’t discover anything more than you could discover a simple link proving that Fred ever committed fraud. So, why don’t you shut your own yap for good?
MMB
Told ya,
“funny”
“Told ya, “funny””
Agreed. And, no need for motion to compel “discovery” for to that. ;)
Err, no.
No “compelling” here.
People WANT Frederick Mann to take action and WANT him to provide the evidence that what’s being said about he and JustBeenPaid is not true.
If you’d ever been involved in real legal action and not just the latest episode of “Law and Order”, you’d know what is meant by the discovery phase of a libel action.
“Frederick Mann” and his minions must be having conniptions every time MoneyMakingBrain or any of the other HYIP ponzi apologists uses the words “court” and “legal action”
Cyber bullying? You’ve got to be kidding, but then knowing you please do so. While you are at it, please tell the authorities how much money you have put into this Ponzi. I hate to be the one to break it to you brainless, but you claimed Ponzi pimp Fred would sue. When that happens, there is a process called discovery in all civil suits. As I said, have Fred bring it on. The last place this Ponzi pimp wants to be is in a discovery hearing let alone a courtroom. Gee, LRM and I post within minutes of each other, and you jump to the conclusion we are one and the same. Too funny. We are not even on the same continent. I wouldn’t be bragging about my “Investigative Skills” if I were you.
By the way, since you do claim you are this great investigator, you should have no problem finding the offshore credit union Ponzi that Fred was pimping. You should also know that when a program closes down and runs with the money, it is a Ponzi. I realize that might be more than your brain can handle, but look it up when you are doing your research.
Now for the real fun part. I suppose Fred told you he lost money in ASD and you believed him. Too funny. Since Fred can’t manage to get registered in any country in which he is offering his Ponzi, he is operating illegally. Bummer isn’t it. Gee and you thought he could jump tall blades of grass in a single bound, he could bend bubble gum with his bare hands, he was faster than a speeding turtle, and he was more powerful than a rubber band.
Why in the world would I want to go on a forum and ask him a bunch of questions which he is going to lie about the answers? You don’t even know where he really is, you just think you know. But you are sure fun to play with.
By the way, you can’t file a complaint about cyber bullying because Patrick isn’t talking about you. Only Fred the Ponzi pimp can file the complaint, and he won’t touch it with a ten foot pole. Wanna try again?
What can I say Lynn? I rather be perceived funny (and smart) than boring (and dumb) like you. Case point is when you in your silly blog, attributed no importance or significance to the fact that I can see IP addresses. It’s because that I can see IP’s that I can tell when you are posting as different people, duh?
I can also distinguish you from PP’s [deleted by admin], etc, etc. Now, all I got to do is track your footsteps on other sites and prove that you are just as dubious and conniving as half the people you mention in your blogs.
And, that silly widget you posted in your site is a big laugh, because like your forum user Okosh said, it only mirrors back client/user side ip information and does not reveal who is in the room, or how many IP addresses are logged in, nor does it reveal OS and browser info either.
May not tell me who your name is off the bat, but sooner or later that info does come up. Also, sooner or later, someone is going to have a motive to sue your behind and when and if you receive a take down notice, you will also find out that your own ISP can provide, if compelled to by a court judgment, all your service records which provide your real name and mailing address.
Needless to say that you’ll be needing to look for another ISP because you won’t have internet access at home or your office, wherever. Needless to say that your server host will also shut down your sites down for violation of terms and conditions. Needless to say that if you don’t show up in court and if you failed to produce your own “discovery”, you are going to pay a big fine. And all because you thought an IP address was a big joke. So, guess who will the joker be?
Lucky for you I am not interested in witch hunts. Once again, you have given me all the information I needed (and you still continue until today). Maybe it’s a good idea that you stop your charade once and for all and finally cease and desist attacking Mr. Fred Mann, who is innocent until proven guilty. Not going to be repeating myself again.
MMB
Hmm… I’d advise stopping before you annoy Patrick into site-banning you like he did several past troublemakers, MoneyMakingBrain, and re-considering your approach to discussion with other human beings.
A few simple, basic searches on Frederick Mann’s name in connection with common legal and financial terms bring up sizable amounts of evidence that he is what the United States government considers to be a “tax protester” if not a full-fledged sovereign citizen lunatic. To the eyes of someone unrelated to said government, he’s a raving madman when you read the writings at mind-trek.com, buildfreedom.com, supremelaw.org, and others. You would have done better joining the Heaven’s Gate cult days before they committed mass suicide, I would say.
Have you read the dicussion (rather one-sided) I had with Cristo Fouche a.k.a. “hatfield” on scam.com last month, regarding JustBeenPaid? Reading past arguments is a good way to avoid repeating yourself and keeping the conversation fresh, rather than reiterating the same verbiage repeatedly like a poor stereotype of a tourist who doesn’t speak the language.
@ProfHenry, Show me where being a lunatic is a crime. Better yet, demonstrate for us scientifically that the actions of a lunatic results inevitably in fraud, and thus, guilty of a crime to be committed.
Hear how ridiculous that assertion would sound? I hope you are smart enough to understand that my only problem here is the way this guy Fred gets hammered by a disingenuous self proclaimed expert on scams without providing any proof in the eye of the law to establish a case against him.
I am really not interested in psychology, nor in your definition of the word “lunatic”. To condemn a man for his views on freedom is as scary as those hypocrites who tell you that you live in a country of “free” man as a free man. I am not interested in politics either. If I was to play the defense lawyer, then I would demand all of you prosecutors to present/produce irrefutable evidence that a crime has been committed by this man.
All I have read and seen so far is conjecture, that doesn’t fly even in the court of public opinion.
Give me some real ammunition and I’ll gladly join your apparent crusade against JBP. But, continue to annoy the MoneyMakingBrain and deviate him from his monitoring duties, and you’ll be the ones to be in the hot water.
Predicting the behavior and condemning an individual, which should be presumed innocent until proven guilty, is against basic universal laws. God forbid we lose them like we almost did in WWII.
MMB
MMB,
First, at one point yesterday you were posting from both sides of the Atlantic faster than than Phil Collins got from Wembly to Philadelphia via the Concorde during the Live Aid concert in 1985.
This occurred after you implied on RealScam that you had instilled fear in LRM and planted the seed that you had the capability to take “retaliatory measures” and that “messing or playing” with the “MoneyMakingBrain has severe [online] consequences.”
Meanwhile, you’ve advanced the conspiracy theory that LRM and Lynn are one-in-the-same, an absurdity on its face. That tells me you’re more interested in harassing people in “defense” of JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid, rather than educating and enlightening readers.
It also tells me you want people to be afraid of you while you’re doing what you do.
Now, in “defense” of JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid, you’ve made a threat directed at me — and you’ve done so in the aftermath of the DDoS attacks against this Blog and the claim of responsibility from the HYIP sphere.
Your threat occurred after I published this story yesterday:
https://patrickpretty.com/2012/02/27/special-report-domain-registered-to-purported-jss-tripler-operator-features-videos-of-sovereign-citizen-accused-in-alleged-alaska-murder-plot-against-public-officials-meanwhile-americans-listen/
You do not control the editorial policy of this Blog. Now, you’re telling me what I “need” to do — and if I don’t do as you say, there will be consequences to me.
What you are not doing is explaining how Frederick Mann is able to provide a daily return twice that of the indicted Andy Bowdoin of ASD and EIGHT times that of the charged and convicted Gregory McKnight of Legisi.
You also assert that my comparison of the JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid scheme to Bernard Madoff’s scheme is “silly at best.”
You do that despite the fact that Mann’s purported payout on an annualized basis is between 48 and 73 times that of Madoff — and despite FINRA’s well-publicized Alert in 2010 in the wake of the Pathway to Prosperity and Genius Funds’ schemes that the HYIP sphere is sucking in vast sums of money and that the sphere itself is a “bizarre substratum of the Internet.”
https://patrickpretty.com/2010/07/15/go-finra-regulator-tackles-online-hyips-issues-warning-on-social-media-linked-ponzi-schemes-references-p2p-genius-funds-con-artists-and-bizarre-substratum-of-internet/
Moreover, you are doing these things more than a MONTH after CONSOB announced that JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid promoters are under investigation. That announcement was made after CONSOB took action against Club Asteria promoters and it can be demonstrated that some CA promoters ALSO were promoting JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid.
Finally, you are doing these things while JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid is conducting business in the United States and using a phone number in metropolitan Atlanta to do so — and AFTER Mann acted as a pitchman for ASD, whose operator is under indictment for securities fraud, wire fraud and selling unregistered securities.
Here is what Mann wrote in May 2008:
“I (Frederick Mann) have been with ASD since January 07. Past performance indicates a strong probablility (sic) that ASD will continue to perform as advertised. (By early May 2008, I had received 14 payments totalling over $6,000!”)
History shows that ASD did not “continue to perform as advertised.” In fact, about three months after Mann made his assertion about what “past performance indicates,” a U.S.-based Task Force led by the Secret Service raided ASD.
Frederick Mann then tied himself to a “program” that suggests it can pay twice what ASD paid, and U.S.-based promoters — apparently ignoring the lessons of history — are recruiting other Americans.
This is occurring while Mann is soliciting prospects to use U.S.-based Google Gmail addresses to sign and using U.S. telephone lines and the Internet to solicit business for a “program” that dwarfs both the Madoff returns and the Legisi returns.
The JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid returns are somewhat on par with the returns of Pathway to Prosperity, whose alleged operator has been charged criminally in the United States and has his face on an INTERPOL “Wanted” poster.
Now, you’re telling me what I “need” to do — or else.
Good grief.
Patrick
More threats.
Patrick
And since when using a proxy is a crime? FYI, is not using a proxy what’s wrong, but what you do with them, alright? I am the MMB there is only ‘one’ MMB.
Once again, Patrick your hollow claims fall on deaf ears. The Secret Service as you claimed, would have gone against the obvious guy here in the USA, and you don’t even know who he was until I brought it up to you on the scams “forum”.
On another subject, I can prove beyond any doubt that there exists sock puppetry being played by Lynn with his other user accounts. The fact that you need to resort to more hollow accusations, this time it’s about me, who is supposedly attacking your site, or your fabricating of yet another story this time about my use of a proxy to reply here, it’s a big LOL and it only underlines how ignorant, careless and irresponsible your reporting really is.
You can not build a case against anyone based on conjecture. Please, stop using the MoneyMakingBrain’s ability to detect IP addresses, stop deviating from the real issues and be a man, stop removing my posts. It only demonstrates that the smell of a dead rat emanates from your site, not littleroundman’s aka Lynn.
MBB
I know you’re reading everything I write and you are scared. Don’t be, Truth is your savior, don’t you know?
By the way, it doesn’t take a genius to see all the resemblances and tactics between you, and “lynn”.
“Pretty” amazing coincidences ha?
And where did you get a crazy idea that I was suggesting anything of the sort, man most mortal?
Being a lunatic is no crime, but sovereign citizens are notorious in both this world and the next for committing crimes against their peers and against the authorities that they themselves often swear by. And from what Patrick has been saying, you are yourself starting to sound like you side with them, against the laws of mathematics and of man.
Might I suggest reading TVTropes until you can find half a dozen tropes that match your own behavior, then considering what they look like to others? Does that give you an idea of how ludicrous your attempts at a debate have been to people who have experience in communicating with outsiders?
Patrick, I love it when your mod controls are off. Alright then, look for Carl P , COO of JBP. Track him down, and ambush him. Ask the questions of alleged crimes by his mentor and CEO, accuse him of conspiracy to commit fraud. Get him arrested by the SS, used trumped up charges if need be. Do it because you are a respected reporter and “crime fighter” and a good ole’ American guy. LOL
MMB
Oh, and I nearly overlooked this ignorance on your part.
There is no such “basic universal law” as innocence until guilt is proven. Rather, the reverse, guilty until proven innocent, was quite common in human history. Try researching the histories of nations other than your own.
MMB,
You are reminding me of “little joe,” who threatened to start “fires” here after my 2009 reporting on AdViewGlobal and Ad-Ventures4U. After I wrote about his threats, he threatened to sue.
His actual legal theory was that he was permitted to threaten me.
Fred Mann, by the way, writes that he was in Ad-Ventures4U, a darling that emerged after the ASD seizure.
Prior to disappearing in 2009, AdViewGlobal threatened to report critics to their ISPs and to have their Internet accounts suspended:
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/03/roller-coaster-adviewglobal-forum-closes-reopens-closes/
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/06/25/adviewglobal-surf-firm-suspends-member-cash-outs-threatens-media-with-copyright-infringement-lawsuits/
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/06/30/breaking-news-adviewglobal-cited-as-extension-of-adsurfdaily-in-rico-complaint-against-andy-bowdoin/
Patrick
Objection, Your Honor! Once again, Mr. “Professor” man is providing conjecture and speculation, unsubstantiated and lacking of any hard proof.
ProfHenryHiggins:
And from what Patrick has been saying, you are yourself starting to sound like you side with them, against the laws of mathematics and of man.
Right, I must be guilty of something because Patrick says so. Right. The fact are he can print whatever he likes in his own site, but doesn’t make it the truth. And what do you know about math, Mr Professor? In fact, why don’t you go spy on their interest compounding, method bring it here, and demonstrate why it’s a mathematical impossibility to create revenue from matrices? Heck, why don’t you accuse Geico Insurance of a Ponzi scheme, while you’re at it?
I have made my position clear since day one on the other forum and here: I don’t like witch hunts and calling people a fraud without a proof that a crime has been committed. There are millions of “tax protestors” all over the world. Waht are you going to do, create a tax inquisition and persecute them all? You all sound as crazy as the people you purport them to be, so stop. I fight for our constitutional rights, and you cowards, would lose in the court of public opinion:
First, it should be pointed out that if you did it, you’re guilty, no matter what. So you’re not innocent unless you’re truly innocent. However, our system presumes innocence, which means that legally speaking, even the obviously guilty are treated as though they are innocent, until they are proven otherwise.
The concept of the presumption of innocence is one of the most basic in our system of justice. However, in so many words, it is not codified in the text of the Constitution. This basic right comes to us, like many things, from English jurisprudence, and has been a part of that system for so long, that it is considered common law. The concept is embodied in several provisions of the Constitution, however, such as the right to remain silent and the right to a jury.
So, Mr. “Professor”, you go read your own literature.
First, why is it important for you to repeatedly suggest that you have the capacity to scare people and/or that people should fear you?
Those things are part and parcel to the HYIP landscape, especially when a scheme comes under scrutiny. In the ASD case, the ASD critics were called “rats,” “maggots” and “cockroaches” — among other things.
Today, you offer this “insight”:
Also in the ASD case, there were suggestions that a federal prosecutor should be placed in a medieval torture rack and that a “militia” armed with guns should storm Washington, D.C.
The FBI now says false liens were filed by a purported “sovereign citizen” against FIVE public officials involved in the ASD case, including a federal judge, three federal prosecutors and a special agent of the U.S. Secret Service.
One of the prosecutors was the man who happened to be the subject of the “torture rack” commentary. The judge once was declared “brain dead” if she ruled against ASD.
Second — as I have previously mentioned in this space — I have been subjected to any number of threats for my reporting on the HYIP sphere.
There have been days in which writing about these schemes has been like walking on eggshells. Over time, I have become more cautious in terms of personal security. That’s what happens when a person starts hearing from people who call themselves “Mr. Protector” and “Botnet” and create usernames with the word “villain” and other words designed to chill me.
The reason I am permitting you to post here is to give readers a sense of the bizarre nature of the HYIP world, which often includes threats both direct and veiled.
Patrick
As strange as it seems, one really does have to feel pity for the poor child.
Trying to explain things to him is as pointless as trying to explain nuclear fission to someone who believes fire is a gift from the Gods.
The only question left in my mind is “where are his parents and do they know what he does in the privacy of his bedroom”
Threats on internet forums ??
C’mon now.
It’s got to the stage where every single thing he says is so “not right” it’s not even wrong.
I’m a having a ball talking to you and the “professor” here, who doesn’t know the difference between a philosophical view from a legal one. Professor, please go back to your elementary school to teach first graders.
Patrick, I am not threatening you, obviously and I am reminding you that what you’re doing can easily be perceived as a defamation of character. I am doing you a favor, so the blade cuts both ways. You have engaged, as a last resort, no doubt, in attacking me with false accusations now. In essence, you’re a doing exactly the same thing to me on your own site . The only difference is that THANK GOD, I am anonymous, and you got no clue as to who I am.
Unfortunately for a guy like Fred, no such luck. One day, (not me I guarantee that) someone is going to do exactly the same thing and you will know how that feels.
You can ignore my advice all you want.
MMB
Dear MoneyMakingAbsecess,
What makes you think that I’m even an American?
The Internet is worldwide. And if innocence until proven guilty is truly codified in your legal mindset, recall the very Bible whose God who swore by a short time ago. What crime did Er commit, that he was slain for? And why was his brother slain for refusing to bed his dead brother’s wife?
Times change, and so do the moral winds that society listens to.
Patrick, if you don’t see what I see, or choose to ignore what this “littleroundman” is doing here, then you must be in on it. Or, maybe you’re are just looking the other way to cover for him.
I don’t care. You say you allow me to post? Well thank you!
But, don’t insult my intelligence by pretending there isn’t a hidden agenda on your site, either. It’s so obvious, and I am truly not interested to find out what it is. I am investigating JBP too. I am monitoring, getting “real” evidence and reporting accordingly.
However, and I can’t stress this enough, you can not make accusations without ‘substantial proof’.
I am telling you, If I were a district attorney, I’d toss to the trash your case immediately. It just doesn’t hold legal water. Yes, I can predict that the moon will a full one at some point in the month, but you can’t apply such theories to human beings. Basically, by accusing him of a crime based upon the actions, or thought patterns of previous “sovereign citizens”. That’s wrong and can’t be prosecuted as it would constitute a distortion of the law.
So realize now, that I am fighting for more than a just a guy named “Fred Mann”.
MMB
calling a criminal a criminal, a fraudster a fraudster or a scam a scam is not defamation.
Lynn, you’re not only a major sock-puppeteer, but a [self-censored] one. A very dangerous combination, if you asked me.
MMB
More conspiracy theories.
Back in March, “Daniel” and “Pokwang” — who posted from the same IP but used different identities in a bid to undermine my reporting on Club Asteria — asserted that I am an “ambulance chasing lawyer” whose agenda was the “blackmailing” of HYIPs:
https://patrickpretty.com/2011/03/16/sea-of-incongruity-surrounds-club-asteria-as-ken-russo-pushes-opportunity-on-talkgold-ponzi-board-world-bank-qualifies-director-claims-made-by-promoters/comment-page-1/#comment-16473
As “Pokwang,” Daniel also had this to say:
“Patrick Pretty = extortionist.
“Go f* yourself.”
After that, “Pokwang” shifted from English to a language spoken in the Western Pacific.
The Club Asteria-related CONSOB probe followed about two months later.
There is every reason to believe that “Daniel” now is promoting JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid.
There also is every reason to believe that JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid is in possession of funds tainted by other fraud schemes, given its presence on Ponzi boards referenced in U.S. court filings as venues from which massive international thefts occur.
Back in 2008, one of the ASD folks posted that he was a core conservative — but allowed that had my mother decided to abort me, the decision would have been understandable. He then went on to promote AdViewGlobal, which later threatened critics with ISP suspensions and lawsuits.
In 2012, you emerge here with the same type of nonsense about ISP suspensions and lawsuits in an attempt to chill — all while packing your posts with veiled threats, advancing conspiracy theories and making a tortured argument that you’re not really making threats, that what you’re actually doing is something wholesome.
Of course, prior to the August 2008 ASD seizure, the critics were threatened with “slander” lawsuits in the $40 million range. The government thought that important enough to include in an evidence exhibit — an exhibit that now has been in the public record approaching FOUR years.
One ASD promoter who quickly switched to MegaLido because it purportedly was “OFFSHORE” tried to chill ASD critics after the seizure by planting the seed that ASD’s lawyers were planning libel lawsuits. He did it in the most bizarre way: by tying his threat to the theme song of the television program “COPS.”
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/09/19/cops-threats-laundry-baskets-militia-30-million-120-million-supreme-court-mysteries-claims-offshore-conversion-rates-and-exclamation-points/
Patrick
Patrick, you’re grasping to straws here. I got no idea of what you’re talking about, however, I presume that because I am using a proxy, there is possibility that another guy used it to come here and post. But, what are the odds of using the same exact proxy account? Not good, these proxies are usually changed every month by the proxy service providers.
So, either you’re going paranoid on me, or lying through your teeth. Either way I am starting to smell a rat here and I don’t like it.
Up to this point the only thing I have ever said that could be considered threatening is that I could make a formal complaint against you. At least for an investigation on your activities personally, and for what appears to be as abuse of terms and conditions with your service provider.
Allowing users like Mr. sock-puppeteer, Lynn aka “littleroundman”, AT EL and a silly professor, to post nonsense that brings support to your hollow claims, are at best dubious, if not considered “meat-puppetry” out right.
Interesting to see that your tactics match the same tactics applied by Lynn at the realscam site: both of you make outrageous accusations against people who can’t defend themselves, both of your sites suggest donations, I mean, Jesus Christ, this could be a blogging scam for all I know, and I hope someone with more free time on their hands, decides to investigate you further, Patrick. Thus, I can’t help but wonder your true motives to pursue someone like Mr. Mann.
The irony is, I never set out to become Mr. Mann’s defender on your site or any other site.
admin:
The Club Asteria-related CONSOB probe followed about two months later.
There is every reason to believe that “Daniel” now is promoting JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid.There also is every reason to believe that JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid is in possession of funds tainted by other fraud schemes, given its presence on Ponzi boards referenced in U.S. court filings as venues from which massive international thefts occur.Back in 2008, one of the ASD folks posted that he was a core conservative — but allowed that had my mother decided to abort me, the decision would have been understandable.
Who gives a damn about what this “Daniel” is doing now? Please, all you do is sink yourself in an ocean of despair. Grasping to all kinds of stories and theories that might give support to something you don’t have: a case against Fred Mann. Now, that isn’t to say that you’ll never will. But, as I’ve been saying ad nauseum, you have to wait for the day he commits the crime that you are convinced he is about to.
admin:
He then went on to promote AdViewGlobal, which later threatened critics with ISP suspensions and lawsuits.In 2012, you emerge here with the same type of nonsense about ISP suspensions and lawsuits in an attempt to chill — all while packing your posts with veiled threats, advancing conspiracy theories and making a tortured argument that you’re not really making threats, that what you’re actually doing is something wholesome.Of course, prior to the August 2008 ASD seizure, the critics were threatened with “slander” lawsuits in the $40 million range. The government thought that important enough to include in an evidence exhibit — an exhibit that now has been in the public record approaching FOUR years.One ASD promoter who quickly switched to MegaLido because it purportedly was “OFFSHORE” tried to chill ASD critics after the seizure by planting the seed that ASD’s lawyers were planning libel lawsuits. He did it in the most bizarre way: by tying his threat to the theme song of the television program “COPS.”https://patrickpretty.com/2009/09/19/cops-threats-laundry-baskets-militia-30-million-120-million-supreme-court-mysteries-claims-offshore-conversion-rates-and-exclamation-points/Patrick
Patrick, PLEEZ! Your own domain links are biased and worthless, and can not be used for anything more than more conjecture. And, please stop trying to create doubts about me by using your past interactions with a few internet trolls against me. Doe anyone else notice the same pattern that emerges each time you open up your mouth? It’s like being at the Realscam site, only worse! I can’t post before you read what I post. Besides, I don’t know that, and you don’t know that either. Also, what ASD did or still does, I don’t really care. Read:
Your Honor! I object as this information is irrelevant!
Going back to the matter of your stalker, maybe, just maybe, someone else caught on to what you’re doing here, and you pissed him off, so he threatened with ISP suspensions and lawsuits and in the end, you got new enemies. I don’t know.
You see? I am doing exactly the same thing you do: theorize and speculate.
MMB
I think it’s quite clear, as shown in the other thread, that JBP is fighting against the Illuminati. As Patrick is so against both JBP and proven Illuminati fighter Fredd Mann, it is obvious that Patrick is a member of the Illuminati.
And, the marvellous MoneyMakingBrian has clearly proven that both “littleroundman” and “Lynn Edgington” are the same person. How can they be the same person? Surely it is obvious! They are shape-shifting reptile-aliens! Yes! It’s true! Patrick said so himself! The reptile-aliens are not stupid enough to get involved with an obvious ponzi scheme, and LittleRoundEddington is equally not stupid enough! Proof positive I say!
Thank you MoneyMockingBrian for helping to prove that Patrick is a member of the Illuminati helped by his reptile-alien lackeys.
Please tell me, MoanyMockingBrian, will you be running for election? I really do hope so.
MMB, did you ever see the movie “Clueless?” Do you ever put your brain in gear before your mouth in motion? From your posts it is easy to see you don’t, and now you are showing your total ignorance. I am still laughing that you still think that I am LRM and vice-a-versa. Please don’t go into real investigative work.. you’ll get fired day one.
Now you are trying to say your threats are not threats. You truly are too funny for words, but thanks I have needed a good laugh. You certainly have provided it with all your nonsense you post here trying to sound intelligent.
You are so lame you haven’t even figured out who I am, what I know or what I do; and I’m not hiding. All you do is claim LRM and I are one and the same. Your proof? Why we posted just minutes apart on this blog. Real good detective work there Sherlock. Yeah right. But keep on insisting that LRM and I are one and the same. My sides are still hurting from laughing so hard at that one. At least you are funny, but worthless as an investigator or detective. Don’t give up your day job, that is if you have one.
Want to look intelligent, please explain how Ponzi pimp Fred Mann is able to return 2% per day, every day when it has never been done in the history of investing. Well, not by legitimate traders and investments. Instead of your lame, feeble attempts to sound intelligent and threatening people if they don’t follow your pathetic threats and demands. Stop talking about it and do it. I would love to be a fly on the wall when you contact the authorities to complain about cyber bullying, and they ask how you were being cyber bullied, and you reply, “Well, it is not me, but there is this guy who is running this investment program called JBP/JSSTripler and Patrick is saying bad things about him.” I doubt if they could answer you with a straight face, or without falling over laughing so hard. So please show your total ignorance and file the complaint. While you are at it file one against me and LRM too since we are one and the same. You are so full of it I am surprised you can see to type.
Want to know how dumb you really are? Well first of all it is not Patrick or any of the rest of us who will be going into court to prove that Fred Mann was and is running a Ponzi. It is the authorities that will do that, and they will only do that after they complete their investigation. This notion that because nothing has been done yet does not mean that Fred’s program is not a Ponzi. Good grief. With over 10,000 of these Ponzi’s operating online right now, not counting all the ones offline, they might not get around to Fred before he runs with the money; and he will run with the money. It is a question of “when” not “if.”
I’d tell you to grow up, but that’s impossible when dealing with someone who acts like a petulant two-year old when they don’t get their way. I know you think you are this big-bad dude, but you are nothing more than a gnat buzzing around trying to sound important but being a nuisance. Are you really this dumb or did it come easy to you?
Hmm should I sign-off as LRM or as myself? Decision, decisions, decisions. LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! (PS: Since you are new here, I put in the ! points because Patrick loves them so much).
Now here’s an original thought…..let’s ask one of the co-Ponzi poimps to give a personal reference for the head Ponzi pimp. That’s like asking a member of Pretty Boy Floyd’s gang to give the boss a personal reference. Hmmm, I wonder what kind of reference he would receive? You really are too funny for words.
Never said it. Never implied it. The point I was making is that HYIP cheerleaders often have used proxies on this Blog as they post their usual deflections and advance their usual conspiracy theories in their bids to chill this Blog.
It’s interesting that you “smell a rat” here but don’t seem to smell one when self-described former ASD/ADV4U promoter Frederick Mann is advertising a return between 48 and 73 times higher than Ponzi-consumed Bernard Madoff, a return that is twice that of Ponzi-engulfed Andy Bowdoin and EIGHT times higher than the Ponzi that led to the guilty plea of Gregory McKnight of Legisi infamy.
Good grief — yet another conspiracy theory and veiled threat.
In addition to reminding me of “little joe,” you’re now reminding me of the one who called himself “The Scambuster – Buster.”
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/04/08/breaking-news-ewalletplus-firm-associated-with-adviewglobal-disables-new-registrations-avg-members-question-management/comment-page-1/#comment-2382
His ham-handed bid to chill me was couched in his statement that he hadn’t accused me of anything — “yet.” His need to let me know he was investigating me was so great that he double-submitted repeatedly — in the Comments section and through the Contact form.
Please forgive the clutter in the link above if you decide to visit it. The clutter was caused by the October/November 2010 DDoS attacks. (And no, I am not saying “The Scambuster – Buster” caused the attacks. I’m simply pointing out that some folks create usernames designed to chill me and that others try to instill fear in me by planting the seed that people are “investigating” me. This type of thing is associated with the “sovereign citizen” movement, BTW. The usual targets of the threats to investigate, however, are judges, prosecutors and litigation opponents.)
Speaking of ham-handed bids, “George” informed me nearly three years ago that “If you keep pushing it now the toes you are stepping on might start stepping back. Looks like they have some fire power behind them now.”
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/06/01/adviewglobal-promoters-trade-on-name-of-forbes-magazine-to-trumpet-surf-firm/comment-page-1/#comment-3424
AVG failed 24 days after George “warned” me about their “firepower.”
One more mention of a poster of note:
“The Hammer” described me here as “an undercover agent for the Global Elite Enterprise . . .”
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/07/23/pro-se-filer-in-asd-case-used-phone-number-associated-with-debt-elimination-firm-name-linked-to-group-prosecutors-called-notorious-for-defying-tax-laws/comment-page-1/#comment-14150
Meanwhile, “The Hammer” — posting as “Rocky” from the same IP — hatched another conspiracy theory here:
https://patrickpretty.com/2010/12/03/judge-at-bail-hearing-orders-bowdoin-to-surrender-passport-and-not-to-intimidate-witnesses-court-officials-order-issued-against-backdrop-of-payment-demand-by-2-asd-figures-for-29-trillion-from-fede/comment-page-1/#comment-14170
Now, MMB, about your conspiracy theory about my agenda:
The DDoS attacks against this Blog led to a dramatic hike in my hosting costs. Other attacks led to a winnowing of revenue that coincided with the great (and continuing) slump in print publishing. Naturally, however, you see a conspiracy — and can’t repress the urge to conflate a conspiracy between the PP Blog and Eagle Research — i.e, Lynn, whom you apparently believe is LRM in disguise.
This Blog is being sustained only through the goodwill of a handful of readers. I am trying to keep the Blog going despite the odds. I keep the Blog going because it is important to victims. And I keep it going because readers, including the law-enforcement community, use it for the purposes of research.
I am interested in “Mr. Mann” because of the national and international security implications/ramifications of a Ponzi-forum-fueled scheme that has the ability to tap into bank or processing accounts from all corners of the world — all while simultaneously saying it is located everywhere and nowhere while promoters purport a “genius” is at the helm.
Andy Bowdoin also was accorded the title of “genius.” I find that compelling.
Another reason I’m interested is the serial nature of the scams and how a subculture of criminals assists in making them go viral to the point they can involve hundreds of thousands of people and hundreds of millions of dollars in the Age of Terrorism.
Yet another reason I’m interested is that the various schemes often lead to inexplicable or incongruous behavior: “Christians” cheerleading for felons and accusing federal judges of “TREASON,” for example.
Lots of very, very strange stories:
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/11/23/asd-all-over-again-3-hebrew-boys-accuse-u-s-attorney-of-treason-claim-draws-another-parallel-to-adsurfdaily/
https://patrickpretty.com/2011/08/09/asd-echo-chamber-bizarre-ponzi-case-that-included-apparent-sovereign-citizens-and-crackpot-legal-theories-ends-with-spectacular-total-of-465-guilty-verdicts-against-final-2-defendants/
https://patrickpretty.com/2011/07/25/washington-state-man-sentenced-to-25-years-in-foreclosure-relief-scam-judge-calls-jeff-mcgrue-heartless-fbi-says-he-issued-nonexistent-bonded-promissory-notes-purportedly-drawn-on-u-s-t/
https://patrickpretty.com/2012/01/31/dialing-up-the-bizarre-prisoner-who-reportedly-once-stole-tractor-trailer-full-of-canned-beans-and-later-followed-sovereign-citizen-bleatings-convicted-of-running-tax-scam-from-jail/
There are 1,552 published posts on this Blog — and 35 unpublished drafts. In addition, there are thousands and thousands of published comments from readers, including the critics.
How many of them have you read in your 24 visits in the past day, MMB?
And did you read this one:
https://patrickpretty.com/2009/08/17/developing-story-firm-that-provided-adsurfdaily-debit-card-indicted-feds-say-virtual-money-inc-helped-colombian-drug-operation-launder-money-in-medellin/
Patrick
Hi Tony,
I appreciate this post; indeed, it has been one of those days — and I needed a good laugh.
Your readership is greatly appreciated, Tony.
Thank you.
Patrick
Once again Lynn and all his hilarious characters come to the attack to provide the lacking support to all the baseless charges against an innocent (until proven guilty) man. Needless to say that I am not reading much of their noise at this point.
BTW, you should try making your characters a little more ‘neutral’, Lynn. The fact they all agree with you and attack a new user who comes with opposite views to your forum is a BIG, BIG give-away. I don’t need an IP detector to know you’re using multiple accounts to create the allusion of general consensus there. Pathetic that an admin has to resort to such dishonest tactics
You are so egregiously obvious, man, it’s ridiculous! What seems suspicious is that Patrick, doesn’t even appear to have a clue about all this. I wonder why?
Anyway, writing and editing style is a BIG giveaway too, Lynn. So, anyone reading and seeing an apparent army of angry “users” posting and calling me this, or that, while not one of this “users” have had a single conversation with me in the past, it’s telltale sign that we are looking at the work of a silly and amateur sock puppeteer.
@Phoney professor, I would have answered any of your questions, but you lost me after your first insult. So, if you want to know how that matrix works, go to JBP and report back to us. LOL.
Quite frankly, I don’t see what’s the big deal with what JBP’s got to offer: 2% daily interest earned for 75 days. WOW! If I buy 10 positions at $10 per position, I stand to make a total $150 in ‘only’ 2 1/2 months! WOW!!. BIG DEAL! I made $50 for waiting that long.
So, I had to wait 50 ‘short’ days to get my $100 dollars back, and then the rest is sweet profit. BIG DEAL! Hardly a quick rich scheme.
If someone decides to buy $5,000 in positions, then they deserve to make the $2500, because I wouldn’t put that kind of money online EVER, let alone tens of thousands as you purport people do everyday. All of this is no better or worse than gambling in Vegas, or investing in some junk bond in the bond market. Stupid is what stupid does.
Why don’t go harass online casinos instead?
MMB
MMB: Let’s see now, at least 3 people have tried to explain to you that I am not LRM. I do not “Own” RS, nor am I multiple personalities using multiple usernames. What part of this don’t you get?
It is not that you are a liar, you just don’t know what you are talking about. All this huffing and puffing and you have absolutely nothing to show for it. I am sure the folks over at JBP forum are cheering you on and think you are brilliant. I would stop reading my press clippings from there and wake up to the real world.
For someone who claims to be such a great investigator, you cannot see the forest for the trees. You still have not bothered to find out who I am, or what I do. And yet you want to claim you are this great researcher and investigator. You wouldn’t last 2 minutes as a real researcher or investigator with your pathetic results you call investigation.
You are in a league that is way above your abilities and you haven’t enough sense to see it. The only reaons why you left at RS was because you had your lunch eaten, digested and flushed before you could sit down for lunch.
But for the fun of it, let’s recap some of your funniest comments: 1. Fred Mann is going to sue Patrick for defamation, 2. You are going to file a complaint against Patrick for cyber bullying, but you are not the target of the cyber bullying (according to your definition of cyber bullying), 3. LRM and I are one and the same, 4. I own RS, 5. Wall Street is a conspiracy and the true criminals, and Fred Mann is a saint, 6. You think you are the only one who knows how to use a proxy, 7. It’s not Fred Mann’s fault he has been in 3 or 4 Ponzi’s, the devil made him do it, 8. Fred started JBP because he figured out how to do it right and not be a Ponzi, 9. Fred Mann is a millionaire (well he is now with all the money he is stealing from the members of JBP), and 10. Fred Mann is a saint. I know I repeated that one twice, but I didn’t want you to think I didn’t get how much you worship him and all he does so thought it deserved being mentioned twice.
On a scale of 1 to 10, and 10 being the highest score, you get a -10 for your investigative skills and knowledge of HYIP’s and how Ponzi’s work. You haven’t even the first clue what they are and how they work and operate. I say that because all you have got is veiled threats, conspiracy theories, and huffing and pufffing thinking you are some great intellectual.
Still waiting on you to explain how the saint Ponzi pimp Fred manages to generate 2% per day when he is not doing any trading, investing, or has any outside source of revenue other than new people joining, people compounding their so-called earnings, and reinvesting.
How does it feel to be part of a criminal enterprise and on an open blog trying to defend it? Nice of you to expose yourself like this. You are such a lightweight that even flip-flops are too heavy for you to carry.
But keep on demonstrating to the masses how gullible you are for believing in these HYIP’s, as well as your ignorance by refusing to take off your blinders; but Fred Mann is a saint.
As for a discussion with you, that is impossible as you have demonstrated by your replies to people who tried to engage you in one. All you could do was insult them, try to intimidate them, or use your veiled threats.
I hate to break it to you, but I am not “skeered” of your empty, hollow temper tantrums, and veiled threats. Quit talking about it and file your complaint. Otherwise you are all talk and no walk. We all know you don’t have the cajones to do so, so give it up and try to act like a first grader not a spoiled two-year old. Your constant whining if I don’t get my way, or you do as I say or else, is wearing thin.
You have been given several clues as to who I really am, and yet you are too dense to even catch it. I guess if you did then you would go into hiding because you would discover that LRM and I really aren’t the same person, contrary to all your pontificating we are. Talk about an ego destroying revelation for you. So I’ll give you a little more time to “really discover” who I am and what I do to see if you can find it on your own. But then I seriously doubt it because all you know how to do is track IP’s. And you think you are this great investigator. Too funny.
Look forward to your next post huffing and puffing on how you are going to “expose” all of us naysayers, trolls, negative people, losers, jealous, afraid to take risk types of people we all are. LOLOLOLOL!! (!!Just for you Patrick)
Oh and one more thing MMB: I thought it was common knowledge, but obviously not by you, that law enforcement or the prosecutor always take persons or businesses to court BEFORE the person or business if found guilty. Otherwise they would be taking innocent people or companies to court. Of course they think they are guilty before it is PROVED they are guilty in court, or they wouldn’t have filed charges against them in the first place.
What you are asking everyone to believe is that Fred must be proven guilty before anyone is entitled to express their opinion or there is a court trial. How ignorant.
The presumption of innocence doesn’t mean that law enforcement/prosecutor, or anyone else for that matter, is expected to think the person is innocent. How absurd. What it does mean that until a person is found guilty in court he is presumed to be innocent in the eyes of the court.
But nice try to obfuscate the issue of your definition of “innocent until proven guilty” clause. It doesn’t work here, or anywhere else for that matter.
Not only there are multiple IP detection readouts indicating that you are a sock-puppeteer, Mr. Lynn Edgington or “littleroundman”, but your constant use of the word “huffing and puffing” gives you away too easily. Anyway Lynn, as I said before, your writing style and grammar with LRM are identical, and anyone who visits your realscam site can draw correlations between the two. BTW, Whip and Baylee area also all you. OTOH, Okosh and PPBlog (Patrick) are different read-outs, so at least I can draw conclusions that they are different individuals.
I won’t answer to crackpot questioning, let alone from confirmed sock-puppeteers because they are deceptive people and don’t deserve to be given any attention. So, stop posting noise on PP’s blog, and go back to your forum-play ground to attack new visitors who don’t agree with you.
MMB
Poor, poor child.
So young to be so delusional.
lol. Another one that got in too late.
Quick note: MMB just emailed me a threat — one of those “do-this-or-else” types.
Patrick
Actually, i am on the side of MMB,. you spew so much fake info on here and use fear tactics to scare people.
You even had the gall to state that I brought a house from my tripler earnings,, which is so full of garbage its unbelievable,
But so what if i had, so what if Frederick Mann is way better than the lies you put out?
He has no intentions of running of with anything and at least he stands up to people, and does not resort to fear tactics to scare people.
I have read through much of this, and you cant even check what your fingers are typing is truth before you spew out more crap.
You lied blatantly about me, and you have no right to twist things just to get views on your site.
Your just a scaremongerer,. and i doubt this will even get posted.
Anne,
Please provide a link to the post in which you allege the PP Blog stated you “bought a house” from your Tripler earnings.
On Jan. 29, we reported that a MoneyMakerGroup poster announced a plan to buy a “motor home” with JSS Tripler money and wanted to “start traveling the US” in it.
Is this the story to which you refer?
https://patrickpretty.com/2012/01/29/update-jss-tripler-promoters-on-ponzi-boards-scoff-at-consob-action-react-by-making-i-got-paid-posts-like-adsurfdaily-purported-opportunity-calls-payouts-rebates-and-employs-confluence/
If that isn’t the story, please point to the story to which you refer and explain how the Blog “lied blatantly” about you.
Along those lines, please explain how you believe it is possible that JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid can pay a return that is between 48 and 73 times higher on an annualized basis than the returns typically provided by imprisoned Ponzi schemer Bernard Madoff.
Also: Please explain how JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid can pay a daily return that is double that of accused Ponzi schemer Andy Bowdoin of AdSurfDaily — and EIGHT times higher than the return of convicted Ponzi schemer Gregory McKnight of the Legisi HYIP.
Patrick
Anne? Where on Earth did you find a host server like that one? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a web hosting service that only buys its’ own domain for a year at a time before. And with one of the other two websites that shares your own IP number being “legithyip.com,” I’m beginning to wonder if this host and nameserver were created specifically for someone in the hyip industry.
Now you have me confused.
Not only can I not recall Patrick using your name, but I have to ask:
Is what you’re saying that the house on your self titled website ISN’T “The House That JSS Tripler Bought” or are you saying it’s a different “Ann Bates” and you’re not the ‘Ann Bates” who was the moderator/manager on the JBP forum.
Quick note: Our longtime readers know that we report on threats to the PP Blog. We engage in the marketplace of ideas, not the marketplace of threats — and we do not submit to threats.
MMB now is banned.
https://patrickpretty.com/2012/02/29/moneymakingbrain-advocate-for-jss-triplerjustbeenpaid-emails-threats-to-pp-blog-thats-not-a-threat-its-a-promise-first-email-claims-second-suggests-hell-create-banking-trouble-for/
Patrick
Anne:
While Patrick never said that you bought a house with the money you made from JSS Tripler, I have to ask if this is you: http://www.annne-bates.com. Because if it is, then you have a picture of a house that you claim is the house that JSS Tripler bought.
Now if it not you, then you must have a clone. Rather odd you would come on Patrick’s blog and claim he said you bought a house from JSS Tripler payments, which was a lie; when if this is your website you clearly state you did.
So is this you, or are you just the mod at JSS Tripler? And were you just a one-hit drive-by poster spreading lies?
Now all you have to do is figure out if this is Lynn, littleroundman, baylee, whip, or anyone else that your friend MMB thinks I am. Here’s a hint, I am only one person. MMB just “thinks” I am all those people. So much for his “investigative skills and abilities.”
LOL. Nobody wants to be me. There is one too many ‘n’ in the link name provided by Lynn, er, littleroundman, er, baylee, er, me.
Sh*t Patrick, now you’ve gone and banned MMB and spoilt the funniest thread on your blog. It was the best entertainment online we’ve had since Clem Lemons became a scam buster. lol
But far more seriously – you banned him BEFORE he answered the 64 thousand dollar question
“Still waiting on you to explain how the saint Ponzi pimp Fred manages to generate 2% per day when he is not doing any trading, investing, or has any outside source of revenue other than new people joining, people compounding their so-called earnings, and reinvesting.”
and I wanted to hear his answer because he’s far cleverer than any of us posting here and I sure can’t figure out the math on that one. lol
I bet you the Rothchilds are having a great laugh at this website! lol Your doing such a great job Patrick…brownie points for you I think!! Lets expose the robin hoods of this world and congratulate the real crooks shall we? lol
If you’re not careful Anonymous might be after you!
Keep up the great work Patrick!
:)
How clever and appropriate.
“Robin Hood’ was a fictional character, as well
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